Biggest jerks in Hollywood
Grand Inquisitor
I can think of Russell Crowe and John Bindon. I think I also heard
that Ed Asner said Joseph Stalin was not as bad as people made him out
to be, or something like that, which would put Asner right up there with
the holocaust deniers.
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Jim Beaver
"Grand Inquisitor" <zo...@columbus.rr.com> wrote in message
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> Who are the biggest jerks in Hollywood's history, regardless of talent?
> I can think of Russell Crowe and John Bindon. I think I also heard
> that Ed Asner said Joseph Stalin was not as bad as people made him out
> to be, or something like that, which would put Asner right up there with
> the holocaust deniers.
Edward Asner is the least jerkish person I've ever met in Hollywood. Drunk
and high on acid he wouldn't have made that Stalin remark. He's one of the
kindest, gentlest, and most humane people I've ever encountered, with a
genuine love for mankind. You may not like his politics and he might not
like yours, but he's a good man. One of the best.
Who's John Bindon? I don't know the name.
Jim Beaver
Vince
<jumb...@prodigy.spam> writes:
>
>Edward Asner is the least jerkish person I've ever met in Hollywood. Drunk
>and high on acid he wouldn't have made that Stalin remark. He's one of the
>kindest, gentlest, and most humane people I've ever encountered, with a
>genuine love for mankind. You may not like his politics and he might not
>like yours, but he's a good man. One of the best.
I'm sure he just may indeed be as you say Jim. However he did once make a
pro-commie remark back in the 1970s
On election day I worked my local poll, anyway there was this one chap a
conservative who was putting down many of the liberal actors i.e. Barbra, the
Baldwins, etc and how he wouldn't watch any films they made. This is supid I'm
a liberal and I still watch and have tapes of films with C. Heston, John Wayne,
Chuck Norris, Bruce Willis etc, etc all republican actors.
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Martin Koolhoven
> Who are the biggest jerks in Hollywood's history, regardless of talent?
> I can think of Russell Crowe and John Bindon. I think I also heard
> that Ed Asner said Joseph Stalin was not as bad as people made him out
> to be, or something like that, which would put Asner right up there with
> the holocaust deniers.
Wat did Crowe do to be named here?
--
gr,
Martin Koolhoven
Martin Koolhoven
>
> I'm sure he just may indeed be as you say Jim. However he did once make a
> pro-commie remark back in the 1970s
So?
--
gr,
Martin Koolhoven
Stephen Cooke
Having met and interviewed Asner, I concur. A nicer and more accomodating
guy you couldn't imagine. As for the Stalin remark, who knows what the
context was or how serious he was, if in fact he ever said such a thing.
"I think I heard he said" is hardly the most trustworthy attribute
(although I will own up to using similar language myself at one time or
another).
Maybe he was responding to someone saying that Nixon wasn't such a bad
guy.
swac
Stephen Cooke
On 12 Dec 2003, Vince wrote:
> In article <pEqCb.5368$m36....@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com>, "Jim Beaver"
> <jumb...@prodigy.spam> writes:
>
> >Edward Asner is the least jerkish person I've ever met in Hollywood. Drunk
> >and high on acid he wouldn't have made that Stalin remark. He's one of the
> >kindest, gentlest, and most humane people I've ever encountered, with a
> >genuine love for mankind. You may not like his politics and he might not
> >like yours, but he's a good man. One of the best.
>
> I'm sure he just may indeed be as you say Jim. However he did once make a
> pro-commie remark back in the 1970s
>
>
> On election day I worked my local poll, anyway there was this one chap a
> conservative who was putting down many of the liberal actors i.e. Barbra, the
> Baldwins, etc and how he wouldn't watch any films they made. This is supid I'm
> a liberal and I still watch and have tapes of films with C. Heston, John Wayne,
> Chuck Norris, Bruce Willis etc, etc all republican actors.
Someone pointed out to me the other day that the right always complains
about Hollywood's liberal bias, yet when it comes to election time, who
are the types that get to hold office? Ronald Reagan, Sonny Bono, Arnold
Schwarzenegger...
swac
Cadet Grey
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Stories of Marilyn Monroe's unprofessional behavior are (of course) legion,
and Kim Novak's on-set antics caused many of her directors and co-stars
to make derogatory comments.
- Grey
Davepitt11
>guy you couldn't imagine. As for the Stalin remark, who knows what the
>context was or how serious he was, if in fact he ever said such a thing.
>"I think I heard he said" is hardly the most trustworthy attribute
>(although I will own up to using similar language myself at one time or
>another).
>
>Maybe he was responding to someone saying that Nixon wasn't such a bad
>guy.
>
>swac
The guy who wrote the original article attributing the quote on
Worldnetdaily.com later went back and listened to the tape again. He realized
that his original version wasn't even close to what Asner said and he
apologized (though probably not in a high profile enough way given the amount
of play the original article got).
I'm no fan of Asner's politics, but he did get a raw deal on this one. The
real quote is:
McCullough: "If you could portray an historical biography and you had an
unlimited budget, unlimited support cast and everything you could ask for, who
would it be?"
Asner: "Well, you know something, they've played Hitler, nobody has ever really
touched Stalin, it just occurred to me. It's not because I am a liberal or
anything like that. Stalin is one big damn mystery, I wonder why nobody has
tried it? Many people, you know, speak of the fact that he killed more people
than Hitler – why does nobody touch him? It's strange. So, and he was about
my size, my height – with a wig I probably could do it."
Bob Flaminio
> I'm no fan of Asner's politics, but he did get a raw deal on this
> one. The real quote is:
>
> McCullough: "If you could portray an historical biography and you had
> an unlimited budget, unlimited support cast and everything you could
> ask for, who would it be?"
>
> Asner: "Well, you know something, they've played Hitler, nobody has
> ever really touched Stalin, it just occurred to me. It's not because
> I am a liberal or anything like that. Stalin is one big damn mystery,
> I wonder why nobody has tried it? Many people, you know, speak of the
> him? It's strange. So, and he was about
So basically he was just saying that he'd like to make a movie about
Stalin -- good call, IMHO. The "definitive" Stalin movie has yet to be
made, and it's a story that desperately needs to be told.
--
Bob
Jim
> So basically he was just saying that he'd like to make a movie about
> Stalin -- good call, IMHO. The "definitive" Stalin movie has yet to be
> made, and it's a story that desperately needs to be told.
I would love to see this. The early Bolsheviks saw Stalin as a bungler and a
trigger man, a guy who didn't have the intellectual skills to be a real
party operative. You could make a great movie about the shift in perception
that occurred when they finally realized he was more powerful and that he
was going to eat them alive. The best biography I've seen was by Isaac
Deutscher, a Trotskyist. He got the psychology right.
how...@brazee.net
On 12-Dec-2003, Grand Inquisitor <zo...@columbus.rr.com> wrote:
> I think I also heard
> that Ed Asner said Joseph Stalin was not as bad as people made him out
> to be, or something like that, which would put Asner right up there with
> the holocaust deniers.
Depending on exactly what the wording was, he may have been accurate.
People make Stalin out to be Satin Incarnate, but he missed by (holding my
fingers close together) this much.
Tom Cervo
>> an unlimited budget, unlimited support cast and everything you could
>> ask for, who would it be?"
>>
>> Asner: "Well, you know something, they've played Hitler, nobody has
>> ever really touched Stalin, it just occurred to me. It's not because
>> I am a liberal or anything like that. Stalin is one big damn mystery,
>> I wonder why nobody has tried it? Many people, you know, speak of the
>> fact that he killed more people than Hitler - why does nobody touch
>> him? It's strange. So, and he was about
>> my size, my height - with a wig I probably could do it."
>
>So basically he was just saying that he'd like to make a movie about
>Stalin -- good call, IMHO. The "definitive" Stalin movie has yet to be
>made, and it's a story that desperately needs to be told.
I think his remark included something to the effect that Stalin was not a
monster but a human being who did monstrous things, and that an actor had to
find the human being, even in someone like Stalin, to play him honestly.
By the time Matt Drudge was done with that statement, Asner was calling for
another famine in the Ukraine.
John Harkness
I've alway thought he was Velvet Incarnate.
John Harkness
Kevin FilmNutBoy
>Grand Inquisitor <zo...@columbus.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> Who are the biggest jerks in Hollywood's history, regardless of talent?
>> I can think of Russell Crowe and John Bindon.
>Wat did Crowe do to be named here?
There are a number of unwritten rules involved with being a celebrity --
kissing the right assess, saying the right things, smiling at the right times,
jumping through the proper hoops. Crowe hasn't played the celebrity game
according to these rules, so he's a "jerk."
God bless him.
--Kevin
Vince
MYN...@xs4all.nlSPAMSHIT (Martin Koolhoven) writes:
>
>So?
>
Cool it I'm just reporting it as it made some thouble for Ed.
Vince
<Pine.GSO.3.95.iB1.0.103...@halifax.chebucto.ns.ca>,
Stephen Cooke <am...@chebucto.ns.ca> writes:
>
>Someone pointed out to me the other day that the right always complains
>about Hollywood's liberal bias, yet when it comes to election time, who
>are the types that get to hold office? Ronald Reagan, Sonny Bono, Arnold
>Schwarzenegger...
Some on the Right complained about the Bill Hollywood's connection and yet look
who was at the republican conventions:
Arnold, Chuck, Bruce, Tom Sellick, Reba, need I go on?
The Avocado Avenger
> Edward Asner is the least jerkish person I've ever met in Hollywood. Drunk
> and high on acid he wouldn't have made that Stalin remark. He's one of the
> kindest, gentlest, and most humane people I've ever encountered, with a
> genuine love for mankind. You may not like his politics and he might not
> like yours, but he's a good man. One of the best.
That's nice to hear. I emailed a guy who was a guest star on "Lou
Grant" and said the same thing about Asner. It was in response to a
thread (many moons ago) after a Dennis Miller HBO special, where one of
the first "jokes" was, in actuality, just Miller bitching about Asner's
politics. Miller made some ignorant comment about how "nice guy Lou
Grant" should be *for* the death penalty but he wasn't, and therefore
Asner was an "asshole".
Miller wishes he could be an asshole. Asshole would be an
improvement. I've never understood why his judgemental rants are
considered relevant, or comedy for that matter - and who really cares
what Miller's politics are? Anyone who dislikes an actor they don't
even know because of some vague notion of politics is just looking for a
reason to dislike them.
Stacia
Cadet Grey
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>
> Wat did Crowe do to be named here?
He made an ass of himself in London when he won the British Film
Academy's Best Award Award. His long acceptance speech was
cut short and he responded by throwing a temperamental hissy fit,
which included screaming and using vulgar language. His tantrum
did not endear him to the British press, the British public, and most
certainly, the BFA.
He's also been surly to the American press (maybe justifiably so on
some occasions), which has resulted in (surprise, surprise) ... bad
press.
- Grey
Tom Cervo
>Academy's Best Award Award. His long acceptance speech was
>cut short and he responded by throwing a temperamental hissy fit,
>which included screaming and using vulgar language. His tantrum
>did not endear him to the British press, the British public, and most
>certainly, the BFA.
Hmmm, let's see. He's up there because he won the BEST ACTOR AWARD and he's
getting the cut sign . . for what? They've got another dance number? The best
Welsh Language Documentarians are waiting to get their speech translated? The
director of an awards show needs to feel powerful? Why the hell do people watch
awards shows--for the direction? He told the guy he was an asshole, and he was
probably right.
This is the same guy who walked out on the Alamo project when the suits cut Ron
Howard's budget, and Howard walked. That kind of loyalty and good sense is rare
in stars.
Cadet Grey
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> >He made an ass of himself in London when he won the British Film
> >Academy's Best Award Award. His long acceptance speech was
> >cut short and he responded by throwing a temperamental hissy fit,
> >which included screaming and using vulgar language. His tantrum
> >did not endear him to the British press, the British public, and most
> >certainly, the BFA.
>
> Hmmm, let's see. He's up there because he won the BEST ACTOR AWARD and
he's
> getting the cut sign . . for what? They've got another dance number? The
best
> Welsh Language Documentarians are waiting to get their speech translated?
The
> director of an awards show needs to feel powerful? Why the hell do people
watch
> awards shows--for the direction? He told the guy he was an asshole, and he
was
> probably right.
Does it *matter* why he was getting the cut sign? First of all, you're
right,
it was an awards SHOW; Crowe's an actor and should be used to taking
direction. Secondly, many / most actors have been cut off during their
acceptance speeches, and handled it without making spectacles of them-
selves. Several have *graciously* refused to be cut off ... Julia Roberts,
for one, on the night she won her Oscar, told the conductor to stop trying
to cut her off, and was charming about it rather than profane. Screaming
and calling someone an "asshole" at a public ceremony suggests a definite
lack of maturity and a huge sense of self-importance.
> This is the same guy who walked out on the Alamo project when the suits
cut Ron
> Howard's budget, and Howard walked. That kind of loyalty and good sense is
rare
> in stars.
Or maybe Crowe just decided he no longer wanted his name associated with
a lower-budgeted project being helmed by a lesser director (in which case,
he
apparently made a very wise decision because the Alamo epic is rumoured to
be an unsalvageable turkey).
- Grey
Nick Macpherson
>>
>> I'm sure he just may indeed be as you say Jim. However he did once make a
>> pro-commie remark back in the 1970s
>
>So?
>
Really. I make a pro-commie remark once or twice a day.
William Y
> Who are the biggest jerks in Hollywood's history, regardless of talent?
> I can think of Russell Crowe and John Bindon. I think I also heard
> that Ed Asner said Joseph Stalin was not as bad as people made him out
> to be, or something like that, which would put Asner right up there with
> the holocaust deniers.
Wat did Crowe do to be named here?
--
gr,
Martin Koolhoven>><BR><BR>
Meg Ryan.
At least that's what Dennis Quaid would say.
Kingo Gondo
There have been all kinds of notorious sons of bitches, and miserable
bitches, throughout the hostory of Hollywood. John Ford--collossal asshole;
who cares? Sam Peckinpah, impossible pain-in-the-ass; so?
This sounds like some sort of People magazine wank-off. Get real.
Ty Cobb, Joe DiMaggio, Ted Williams, Pete Rose, Steve Carlton, a roided-up
Barry Bonds--all incredible douche bags, and they can play for my team
anytime. Same goes in Hollywood, maybe more so.
EOFS
Tom Cervo
>right,
>it was an awards SHOW; Crowe's an actor and should be used to taking
>direction.
From Curtis Hanson or Michael Mann or Ridley Scott, it's direction.
From the nonentity directing traffic at an awards show, it's something else.
Secondly, many / most actors have been cut off during their
>acceptance speeches, and handled it without making spectacles of them-
>selves. Several have *graciously* refused to be cut off ... Julia Roberts,
>for one, on the night she won her Oscar, told the conductor to stop trying
>to cut her off, and was charming about it rather than profane. Screaming
>and calling someone an "asshole" at a public ceremony suggests a definite
>lack of maturity and a huge sense of self-importance.
It all happened backstage. It became public thanks either to the guy who got
yelled at, or the British entertainment press--the people from "Hello". In
either case, parties with in a interest and a reputation for blowing things the
hell out of proportion. The stories I've heard about Crowe sound a lot like the
stories told about Mitchum--but not by the people who worked alongside him.
James Neibaur
wrote on 12/12/03 11:12 PM:
> I've never understood why his judgemental rants are
> considered relevant, or comedy for that matter
I think Dennis Miller is on his way down (again), so perhaps this time he
will stay away.
JN
Jim S.
> I think Dennis Miller is on his way down (again), so perhaps this time he
> will stay away.
Gotta love the way he changes his political leanings to match the times.
--
Jim S.
Grand Inquisitor
> Someone pointed out to me the other day that the right always complains
> about Hollywood's liberal bias, yet when it comes to election time, who
> are the types that get to hold office? Ronald Reagan, Sonny Bono, Arnold
> Schwarzenegger...
>
> swac
>
Well, outside of a place like Berkeley a person like Reagan is a lot
more electable than a person like Babs Streisand.
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Grand Inquisitor
> There are a number of unwritten rules involved with being a celebrity --
> kissing the right assess, saying the right things, smiling at the right times,
> jumping through the proper hoops. Crowe hasn't played the celebrity game
> according to these rules, so he's a "jerk."
>
> God bless him.
>
> --Kevin
He throws a guy against a wall and threatens him because they edited his
poem-reading at the BAFTA awards. He acts like a prima donna on the set
of Master and Commander, throwing his weight around, making the
production go slower so his demands can be met. The list goes on.
Grand Inquisitor
Shame you don't work in Hollywood, we could have added you to the list.
Vince
(Nick Macpherson) writes:
>
>Really. I make a pro-commie remark once or twice a day.
>
>
Is that the NSA at your door?
Vince
<jnei...@wi.rr.com> writes:
>
>I think Dennis Miller is on his way down (again), so perhaps this time he
>will stay away.
Hes no longer on "Boston Public" with no explaination as to where his character
went.
Vince
<quin...@nowayinhellswbell.net> writes:
>
>Gotta love the way he changes his political leanings to match the times.
>--
Oh I don't know about that he backed DOLE in 1996 saying Bob was the moral
choice.
What a laugh the lead senator who wouldn't let the minimal wage even be
discussed on the Senate floor.
Vince
<zo...@columbus.rr.com> writes:
>
>He throws a guy against a wall and threatens him because they edited his
>poem-reading at the BAFTA awards. He acts like a prima donna on the set
>of Master and Commander, throwing his weight around, making the
>production go slower so his demands can be met. The list goes on.
>
>--
More than ever no way this guy for the next 007!
Jim S.
behavior was a big part of his fall from A-list actor, though he
admittedly was never THAT big. Intentionally burning film crew folks
with cigarettes has got to be about as low as an actor can go. And that
is (supposedly) just the tip of the iceberg.
--
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"Grand Inquisitor" <zo...@columbus.rr.com> wrote in message
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> Who are the biggest jerks in Hollywood's history, regardless of talent?
> I can think of Russell Crowe and John Bindon. I think I also heard
> that Ed Asner said Joseph Stalin was not as bad as people made him out
> to be, or something like that, which would put Asner right up there with
> the holocaust deniers.
Tom Benton
"> I think his remark included something to the effect that Stalin was not a
> monster but a human being who did monstrous things, >
What is the difference? Aren't we ultimately defined by our acts?
how...@brazee.net
On 13-Dec-2003, holvb...@cs.comgoodguy (Vince) wrote:
> Oh I don't know about that he backed DOLE in 1996 saying Bob was the moral
> choice.
> What a laugh the lead senator who wouldn't let the minimal wage even be
> discussed on the Senate floor.
It may be a laugh, but discussing that on the Senate floor does not make
someone moral.
dobe...@deletesocal.rr.com
Well, that's an interesting question you raise there, Tom. However,
I'm not going to answer it now.
--
I get tired of either sense or nonsense if I am
kept very continuously to either & like my mind
to undulate between the two as it likes best.
-- Bagehot (1858)
Cadet Grey
> >Does it *matter* why he was getting the cut sign? First of all, you're
> >right,
> >it was an awards SHOW; Crowe's an actor and should be used to taking
> >direction.
>
> From Curtis Hanson or Michael Mann or Ridley Scott, it's direction.
> From the nonentity directing traffic at an awards show, it's something
else.
I think the producers and directors of any awards show you can
name - the people who are charged with the thankless task of timing
everything so the sponsor's commercials are shown within a certain
time block while working to wrap things up within a reasonable time
frame - would disagree with you.
There's a lot of money at stake and the pressures are enormous ...
I worked as a media buyer for a large national corporation for many
years, and trust me! if I bought a time slot for my 30-second spot to
show between 8:00 and 8:30, and you didn't play my commercial
until 8:33 for *whatever* reason, I got at a huge discount (50% +)
from you. And if my spot didn't air until 8:45 or later, I often didn't
pay at all, depending on my contract and the volume of business I
normally did with you.
Besides, as Paddy Chayefsky once aptly remarked of a certain
Oscar winner whose acceptance speech was quite controversial,
"I would suggest to [name deleted] that winning an Oscar is not
a pivotal moment in history." Though the circumstances prompting
his remark were very, very different, it's still applicable to Mr. Crowe:
his winning of the BFA Best Award had very little effect on life as
we know it, and his premature loss of microphone privileges was
of little consequence.
- Grey
how...@brazee.net
Sure. But when we are portraying someone as dangerous as Stalin, we should
be careful to avoid playing him as a caricature.
We will never allow one of the silly Hitlers to take power over us. But
the charismatic Hitlers are real dangers.
Make a Stalin who is a real person, who believes that his atrocities are
necessary for the ultimate good of his country, who has support from many
and is loved by many. Because whomever we might put into power will look
much better than Stalin looks in hindsight.
Vince
how...@brazee.net writes:
>
>It may be a laugh, but discussing that on the Senate floor does not make
>someone moral.
I didn't say that Howard, I only posted that to show what a creep Dole was.
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>necessary for the ultimate good of his country, who has support from many
>and is loved by many.
He was never that. He was a thug, more ruthless than the thugs and (few)
idealists around him. He let people underestimate him--a fatal mistake for
them. His evil was as pure as it gets, but it was a human evil.
Kingo Gondo
> Kingo Gondo wrote:
>
> > Who gives a fuck?
> >
> > There have been all kinds of notorious sons of bitches, and miserable
> > bitches, throughout the hostory of Hollywood. John Ford--collossal
asshole;
> > who cares? Sam Peckinpah, impossible pain-in-the-ass; so?
> >
> > This sounds like some sort of People magazine wank-off. Get real.
> >
> > Ty Cobb, Joe DiMaggio, Ted Williams, Pete Rose, Steve Carlton, a
roided-up
> > Barry Bonds--all incredible douche bags, and they can play for my team
> > anytime. Same goes in Hollywood, maybe more so.
> >
> > EOFS
> >
> >
>
> Shame you don't work in Hollywood, we could have added you to the list.
Get a life, geek--and quit worrying about the lives of people who have no
contact with yours. If Russell Crowe really is that "big jerk" you posted
about, I reiterate again--who cares? How does it affect you? Are you trying
to get a date with him or something? It used to only be silly schoolgirls
who worried about such trivial shit, diddling themselves over their "Tiger
Beat"s ("Gee, I just KNOW he's a nice guy..."). Now, in the unbridled age of
celebrity, weenies who consider themselves "adults" do. How does it matter
you in the least if Russell Crowe is a colossal asshole--it's not like his
films have ever ASKED you to accept any of his on-screen personas as "the
real him", whatever that is. Just enjoy (or despise--your choice, I don't
care) his work as a professional. Celebrity-obsessive bullshit is the
goddamned bane of modern America, as a glace at any newspaper or teevee
"news" show will quickly confirm. Bread and circuses....
Eugene Kim
Tom Cervo wrote:
> His [Stalin's] evil was as pure as it gets, but it was a human evil.
(gesturing helplessly) And what was Hitler's brand of evil?
Eugene Kim
how...@brazee.net wrote:
> We will never allow one of the silly Hitlers to take power over us. But
> the charismatic Hitlers are real dangers.
If memory serves, Pauline Kael once commented that the original TO BE OR NOT TO
BE was made in an era when filmmakers believed that, if you could get people to
laugh at the Nazis, the Nazis would "magically" lose their power. Perhaps
Chaplin felt THE GREAT DICTATOR would have the same effect.
Frankly, I find that attitude naive. And yet, to this day, Mel Brooks thinks
he's doing his part to stem the rise of neo-Nazism with the Broadway musical
version of THE PRODUCERS.
A.E. Jabbour
> Kingo Gondo wrote:
>
>> Who gives a fuck?
>>
>> There have been all kinds of notorious sons of bitches, and miserable
>> bitches, throughout the hostory of Hollywood. John Ford--collossal asshole;
>> who cares? Sam Peckinpah, impossible pain-in-the-ass; so?
>>
>> This sounds like some sort of People magazine wank-off. Get real.
>>
>> Ty Cobb, Joe DiMaggio, Ted Williams, Pete Rose, Steve Carlton, a roided-up
>> Barry Bonds--all incredible douche bags, and they can play for my team
>> anytime. Same goes in Hollywood, maybe more so.
>>
>> EOFS
>>
>>
>
> Shame you don't work in Hollywood, we could have added you to the list.
>
The thing is, Kingo is right.
Who cares?
Hell, I don't know Russell Crowe. I honestly can say that I don't have
the slightest idea what he is like. The only thing I know about his
personality is that he has gotten pissed off at photographers. So what?
So would I.
The point is this: What difference does it make? As the response said,
Ty Cobb wasn't exactly the kind of guy you would probably want dating
your daughter, but big friggin deal. He was one of the greatest baseball
players to ever pick up a bat and glove. What matters to me is how he
did his job, since his job was something which interests me. Same with
Russell Crowe or Nicole Kidman.
Now, I will admit that while listening to the commentary on "Wrong
Turn" I came to the conclusion that Eliza Dushku sounded like a very
cool girl. She was funny, seemed nice, and had some interesting things
to say about horror movies. She sounded sincere.
But again, so what? I don't know her. All I can say is that on
this commentary, she seemed like a nice and interesting girl. That's it.
All this ranting about Hollywood in general, and about who is the
"biggest jerk" or whatever just seems petty and, in all honesty,
some sort of reaction based on the fact that these people are
famous and make a lot of money in some cases.
Did it occur to you, for example, that the biggest jerk in Hollywood
might be some assisstant director or gaffer or make-up woman? Maybe
the biggest jerk is a copy editor at Variety.
When all is said and done, a thread like this can only serve to ...
to what? What is the point?
--
A.E. Jabbour
"Dancer in the Dark" is one of the most sadistic
films I've ever seen, but it also raises the
possibility that sadism might be, in spite of itself,
a species of love." - A.O. Scott
Stephen Cooke
Well we know it wasn't Manischewitz.
swac
John Harkness
wrote:
>All this ranting about Hollywood in general, and about who is the
>"biggest jerk" or whatever just seems petty and, in all honesty,
>some sort of reaction based on the fact that these people are
>famous and make a lot of money in some cases.
>
>Did it occur to you, for example, that the biggest jerk in Hollywood
>might be some assisstant director or gaffer or make-up woman? Maybe
>the biggest jerk is a copy editor at Variety.
>
Nah, gotta be a producer or studio head -- it's gotta be someone with
the power to impose his jerkiness on the world around him.
Don Simpson would probably be it, but he's dead...
John Harkness
how...@brazee.net
OK. Then portray him as someone who gets underestimated.
Human evils are easy to overlook.
how...@brazee.net
On 14-Dec-2003, aej17D...@comcast.net (A.E. Jabbour) wrote:
> Did it occur to you, for example, that the biggest jerk in Hollywood
> might be some assisstant director or gaffer or make-up woman? Maybe
> the biggest jerk is a copy editor at Variety.
They are smaller.
how...@brazee.net
On 14-Dec-2003, aej17D...@comcast.net (A.E. Jabbour) wrote:
> The point is this: What difference does it make? As the response said,
> Ty Cobb wasn't exactly the kind of guy you would probably want dating
> your daughter, but big friggin deal. He was one of the greatest baseball
> players to ever pick up a bat and glove. What matters to me is how he
> did his job, since his job was something which interests me. Same with
> Russell Crowe or Nicole Kidman.
If it doesn't make any difference who the jerks are - then it doesn't make
any difference who the genuine nice guys are either - right?
Grand Inquisitor
take part in a thread, then don't, but don't be an immature baby and
ridicule us for it.
Frank R.A.J. Maloney
news:DH0Db.3687$0s2....@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
[deletion]
> If it doesn't make any difference who the jerks are - then it doesn't make
> any difference who the genuine nice guys are either - right?
You got it in one. Unless you imagine that any of these people are likely to
become your personal friends.
--
Frank in Seattle
___________
Frank Richard Aloysius Jude Maloney
"I leave you now in radiant contentment"
-- "Whistling in the Dark"
Kingo Gondo
To the general public, yes. I'll take better movies made by jerks over shit
films from nice guys any day--and I do, all the time. I'd bet you do, too.
If you have to work with them, or have some personal relationship, then it
matters--but not to the wankers here. In fact, I'll go one better: in many
cases, the less you know about a person's personal life, the better you can
enjoy their art: less clutter from trivia--J.D. Salinger and Thomas Pynchon
have it right, I think. It's easier to sit back and enjoy the Beatles if you
are not obsessing over John Lennon being a major asshole (which is pretty
much beyond dispute). There are the cases where art seems to unquestionably
reflect life (John Coltrane would be a mighty example), but for most
Hollywood film types (the genesis of this thread), that's irrelevant.
Autobiographical aspects rarely inform Hollywood cinema in any meaningful
way, especially nowadays--it's too much processed product, passing through
too many hands, and answering to too many bean counters.
And, if you haven't noticed, especially from a habitual dork like GI, many
people's idea of who is a jerk is frequently informed, if not completely
dominated, by their childishly simplistic personal politics and "philosophy"
(sic). This is not uncommon, principally because idiocy is not uncommon. Ask
someone of this ilk if Charlton Heston and Alec Baldwin are jerks--their
answer will tell you more about them than Heston or Baldwin.
In short, I reiterate again, what thinking person gives a damn? Leave
celebrity obsessiveness to the teenage girls and dumb housewives who used to
own it. Enjoy art for art's sake.
Kingo Gondo
> This is a discussion forum, we discuss things. If you don't want to
> take part in a thread, then don't, but don't be an immature baby and
> ridicule us for it.
Well, I am discussing the topic--I've said it's inane. Inanity should be
ridiculed, unmercifully. If inanity was ridiculed more regularly, and more
vociferously, the world would be a better place. Thank Christ for Twain and
Mencken, I say.
Now, if you want to discuss topics that might animate a schoolgirl, go
ahead, although, strictly speaking, you should be discussing "past" biggest
jerks in Hollywood to remain on-topic here. I nominate Harry Cohen--top him,
if you dare.
Now carry on with your spellbinding foray into "Entertainment Tonight"
territory....
Kevin FilmNutBoy
>Human evils are easy to overlook.
Is there any other type of evil? (Other than imaginary.)
--Kevin
Cadet Grey
news:zs5Db.3175220$Of.4...@news.easynews.com...
>
>
> Now, if you want to discuss topics that might animate a schoolgirl, go
> ahead, although, strictly speaking, you should be discussing "past"
biggest
> jerks in Hollywood to remain on-topic here. I nominate Harry Cohen--top
him,
> if you dare.
Harry Cohn, the head of Columbia, was much worse than this unknown
"Harry Cohen" you speak of. Unless you know something we don't
know ... ?
- Grey
Kingo Gondo
"Cadet Grey" <cade...@swbell.net> wrote in message
news:ok9Db.3270$Lx5...@newssvr24.news.prodigy.com...
Well, I'm worse than him in one way--namely, at spelling his name. Damn, you
think I know it by now, since it always got crammed onto the opening titles
of all those early Columbia flicks.
A.E. Jabbour
Does it matter to me when I am deciding which movie to see? No, not
one iota. I couldn't care less about whether someone is a nice guy
or not, as it informs my decisions to see a movie or read a book or
listen to a CD.
Would it matter to me if I had dinner with the person? Sure. But
I hardly would claim to have enough information even to judge what
people in Hollywood are good guys or gals, or what ones are people
I would rather avoid. How in the hell do I know?
Hey, Nicole Kidman seems like a nice lass, with the limited information
I have. But, then again, she is an actress, so who the heck knows?
The point isn't whether she seems like a decent gal or not. The
point is that who cares? What does it matter?
Cadet Grey
news:brjel0$40rup$5...@ID-137314.news.uni-berlin.de...
>
> Does it matter to me when I am deciding which movie to see? No, not
> one iota. I couldn't care less about whether someone is a nice guy
> or not, as it informs my decisions to see a movie or read a book or
> listen to a CD.
You know, I asked the question you posed to myself, and I have to
admit I came up with a different answer. I won't buy anything Michael
Jackson, for example, because regardless of how talented he may be
(or might have been), I'm appalled by some of the choices he's made
in his personal life.
Interesting subject ...
- Grey
A.E. Jabbour
I'm always reminded of that "Seinfeld" episode where Elaine ends up
in a quandary concerning whether her boyfriend is pro-choice.
Essentially, since she wouldn't eat at this restaurant once she
learned the proprietor was pro-life, Jerry kept pressing her to ask
her boyfriend what his feelings on the subject were.
Of course, she didn't want to ask him, since she really liked
him and had no idea what his response would be.
There are a good deal of individuals whose ideas and actions
I am sure I would be opposed to, were I to know what he or
she really thought or did. But I don't know what everyone
does or thinks; nor do I want to.
Herbert von Karajan joined the Nazi party twice. Now, I don't
really know what was in his heart. But that's not real
compelling evidence of good faith. I think that at times he
was a brilliant conductor (and, at other times, a very dull
one). Does this mean that I shouldn't listen to his music?
In my mind, it doesn't matter at all. If I have to go out
and find everything I can about each and every artist whose
work I am somewhat interested in, I couldn't get through the
day. It's a trap, and it doesn't matter in the end anyways.
All that matters is the work.
If I travelled back in time to 1911, and I were managing a
Major League team, I would take Ty Cobb in a heartbeat. He
would be the very first player I would want, without question.
Now, I probably wouldn't have a beer with him after the
game, but I sure as hell would want him in my lineup.
how...@brazee.net
On 14-Dec-2003, filmn...@aol.commode (Kevin FilmNutBoy) wrote:
> >Human evils are easy to overlook.
>
> Is there any other type of evil? (Other than imaginary.)
The point was that Stalin needs to be portrayed as human. Hollywood
doesn't always do this when portraying evil.
Brent McKee
"Jim S." <quin...@nowayinhellswbell.net> wrote in message
news:3FDBB2F2...@nowayinhellswbell.net...
> I can't believe Val Kilmer has not been mentioned yet. His on-set
> behavior was a big part of his fall from A-list actor, though he
> admittedly was never THAT big. Intentionally burning film crew
folks
> with cigarettes has got to be about as low as an actor can go. And
that
> is (supposedly) just the tip of the iceberg.
I'd put him on the list just for the way he treated his ex-wife Joanne
Whalley. As I recall he was out cheating on her just before she gave
birth to their second child.
--
Brent McKee
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"If we cease to judge this world, we may find ourselves, very quickly,
in one which is infinitely worse."
- Margaret Atwood
"Nothing is more dangerous than a dogmatic worldview - nothing more
constraining, more blinding to innovation, more destructive of
openness to novelty. "
- Stephen Jay Gould (1941-2002)
Vince
writes:
>
>I'd put him on the list just for the way he treated his ex-wife Joanne
>Whalley. As I recall he was out cheating on her just before she gave
>birth to their second child.
>
Did he now? bastard
Well I'm no fan of his anyhow, never was. I hated his Simon Templer (THE
SAINT) and his Batman oh please.
John Stone
> >Having met and interviewed Asner, I concur. A nicer and more accomodating
> >guy you couldn't imagine. As for the Stalin remark, who knows what the
> >context was or how serious he was, if in fact he ever said such a thing.
> >"I think I heard he said" is hardly the most trustworthy attribute
> >(although I will own up to using similar language myself at one time or
> >another).
> >
> >Maybe he was responding to someone saying that Nixon wasn't such a bad
> >guy.
> >
> >swac
>
>
> The guy who wrote the original article attributing the quote on
> Worldnetdaily.com later went back and listened to the tape again. He realized
> that his original version wasn't even close to what Asner said and he
> apologized (though probably not in a high profile enough way given the amount
> of play the original article got).
>
> I'm no fan of Asner's politics, but he did get a raw deal on this one. The
> real quote is:
>
> McCullough: "If you could portray an historical biography and you had an
> unlimited budget, unlimited support cast and everything you could ask for, who
> would it be?"
>
> Asner: "Well, you know something, they've played Hitler, nobody has ever really
> touched Stalin, it just occurred to me. It's not because I am a liberal or
> anything like that. Stalin is one big damn mystery, I wonder why nobody has
> tried it? Many people, you know, speak of the fact that he killed more people
> than Hitler – why does nobody touch him? It's strange. So, and he was about
> my size, my height – with a wig I probably could do it."
I read somewhere that Stalin had his inlaws murdered in a purge. What a swell
guy (just being sarcastic).
John Harkness
wrote:
I can think of any number of people who'd happily have their inlaws
killed, even if they weren't doing a purge.
John Harkness
The Avocado Avenger
>
> I can't believe Val Kilmer has not been mentioned yet. His on-set
> behavior was a big part of his fall from A-list actor, though he
> admittedly was never THAT big. Intentionally burning film crew folks
> with cigarettes has got to be about as low as an actor can go. And that
> is (supposedly) just the tip of the iceberg.
Speaking of intentionally hurting someone, didn't Jean-Claude Van
Damme get convicted of intentionally slashing the eyes of an actor
during "Cyborg"? Or maybe there was a civil (not criminal) suit against
Van Damme. During a fight scene Van Damme was getting very close to the
actor, in order to make the scene look more realistic. That's just
blatant disregard, using a knife which can hurt someone, and then trying
to get really close so the scene looks better. In "Cyborg", no less.
What a crap movie. I had the misfortune of seeing it in the theatre on
a date in high school.
And the grand high poobah of bodily harm in film is probably Cecil B
DeMille, at least according to Mel Brooks.
Stacia
"I musta killed more men than Cecil B DeMille."
The Avocado Avenger
> Celebrity-obsessive bullshit is the goddamned bane of modern America
There are a lot more things in the world to get this upset about. One
of the things I love about Usenet is how someone will burst a vein over
someone else having a strong opinion. In this case, a few people relate
some stories they have heard either through media or through their own
experiences about "jerks in Hollywood", and Gondo strokes out about it,
getting so upset he claims that this VERY thread is the reason America
sucks.
Well. I'm convinced.
And I won't mention that this newsgroup is about films, and actors,
and pretty much anything film-related. And that this thread is more
on-topic than 99.44% of the threads I've read in the last year. Or that
if Gondo doesn't like what he's reading, he should consider reading
something else.
Stacia
Tom Cervo
>DeMille, at least according to Mel Brooks.
>
The true stories of his behavior at the legendary Directors Guild meeting,
before and during--the red-baiting and Jew-baiting, as he tried to take control
of the Guild--and the various attempts to resist him, culminating in John Ford
standing up and introducing himself as a "maker of Westerns', who then
proceeded to tell off DeMille and force the resignation of his board--DeMille
was a son of a bitch, but I doubt he killed anyone.
Kingo Gondo
messages still available for this newsgroup.
Now, in alt.gossip.celebrities they have 80,385 messages available--more
than 11 times as many.
And alt.showbiz.gossip has 20,930 messages available--almost exactly 3 times
as many.
And, of course, that's not even considering what the retards in "current"
have going--I shudder to even think about it.
Nevertheless, IYO, we should clutter up THIS place with such tripe, too.
Wow.
Amazing, but since you're a broad at least I can excuse you for craving this
type of crap--it's in your genes. Some of these guys, however, need to take
off the freaking skirt.
Chris Moorehead
kingo_nos...@zor.org says...
This may be an urban legend, but, in his '70s business self-help book
"Power", Michael Korda claims that Cohn's office & desk at Columbia were
an exact replica of Mussolini's.
Chris
--
CHRISTOPHER J. MOOREHEAD
Toronto, Canada
cmoor...@attglobal.net
"The trouble with our Texas Baptists is that we do not
hold them under water long enough."
~ William Brann, later shot by an irate Baptist
Ulysses
>In article
><Pine.GSO.3.95.iB1.0.103...@halifax.chebucto.ns.ca>,
>Stephen Cooke <am...@chebucto.ns.ca> writes:
>
>>
>>Someone pointed out to me the other day that the right always complains
>>about Hollywood's liberal bias, yet when it comes to election time, who
>>are the types that get to hold office? Ronald Reagan, Sonny Bono, Arnold
>>Schwarzenegger...
>
>Some on the Right complained about the Bill Hollywood's connection and yet look
>who was at the republican conventions:
>Arnold, Chuck, Bruce, Tom Sellick, Reba, need I go on?
>
>Vince
Sure, go on. If you're down to Reba, sounds like you're running out
of gas.
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Vince
(Tom Cervo) writes:
>
>The true stories of his behavior at the legendary Directors Guild meeting,
>before and during--the red-baiting and Jew-baiting, as he tried to take
>control
>of the Guild--and the various attempts to resist him, culminating in John
>Ford
>standing up and introducing himself as a "maker of Westerns', who then
>proceeded to tell off DeMille and force the resignation of his board--DeMille
>was a son of a bitch, but I doubt he killed anyone.
didn't DeMille direct the silent "BEN-HUR"? From what I understand men were
killed in the race.
Vince
<nos...@nospam.com> writes:
>
>Sure, go on. If you're down to Reba, sounds like you're running out
>of gas.
>
Thats all I could think of, theres also CHER, Gofore from the "LOVE BOAT", the
BONOs, Sty (ROCKY) given time I can come up with more.
In any case I'm trying to show the hypocrisy.
Cadet Grey
news:20031216150304...@mb-m13.news.cs.com...
>
> didn't DeMille direct the silent "BEN-HUR"? From what I understand men
were
> killed in the race.
No, that was Fred Niblo. DeMille directed the silent "Ten Commandments".
However, although I would have to look it up, I believe your correct that
someone did die as a result of an accident on a silent DeMille set.
- Grey
Nick Macpherson
If we're counting onset accidents resulting in deaths as a sign of big
jerkiness from the director, then Pamela Dean's least favorite director John
Landis rates a mention with three deaths to his name, including the tragic
demise of the patron saint of this newsgroup.
Michael Curtiz lost some extras with Noah's Ark (1929) and surely Fritz Lang
has to have a death or two to his name.
My choice for biggest jerk in Hollywood: Walt Disney, drunken, anti-semitic,
squealing to the feds, anti-union creep.
Cadet Grey
news:20031216171303...@mb-m23.aol.com...
>
> My choice for biggest jerk in Hollywood: Walt Disney, drunken,
anti-semitic,
> squealing to the feds, anti-union creep.
You're kidding? I'd never heard any of those attributes used to describe
Walt Disney before.
Which brings up an interesting - and pertinent - point. There are still so
many secrets buried inside the history of the studio system, those years
during which Louis B. or Darryl F. and their ilk could buy off the police
and stifle the press. I imagine if Kenneth Anger had been free to publish
*everything* he knew, it would have only been the tip of a very large
iceberg ...
- Grey
Sawfish
>In article <uxlDb.720109$9l5.7853@pd7tw2no>, "Brent McKee" <bSm...@shaw.caN>
>writes:
>>
>>I'd put him on the list just for the way he treated his ex-wife Joanne
>>Whalley. As I recall he was out cheating on her just before she gave
>>birth to their second child.
>>
>Did he now? bastard
Yes, but if you think about it, that's precisely when a man is most likely
to cheat: during that period of his wife's pregnancy.
<SNIP>
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. But give a man a boat,
a case of beer, and a few sticks of dynamite..." -- Sawfish
The Avocado Avenger
> "Vince" <holvb...@cs.comgoodguy> wrote:
> >
> > didn't DeMille direct the silent "BEN-HUR"? From what I understand men
> > were killed in the race.
>
> No, that was Fred Niblo. DeMille directed the silent "Ten Commandments".
> However, although I would have to look it up, I believe your correct that
> someone did die as a result of an accident on a silent DeMille set.
I have heard that extras were killed during the parting of the sea
scene in "Ten Commandments" (1923), which lead to the joke in "Blazing
Saddles": "I've killed more men than Cecil B DeMille." But I can't
find anything on Google, so perhaps I am perpetuating an Urban Legend.
A Google search shows that a live cartridge was accidentally used in
filming "The Captive", directed by DeMille, and an extra was killed by
the bullet. Also some websites claim a stuntman was killed in the
chariot scene of "Ben-Hur", but others say the stuntman was just
seriously injured.
Stacia
The Avocado Avenger
> Michael Curtiz lost some extras with Noah's Ark (1929) and surely Fritz Lang
> has to have a death or two to his name.
Oops. I wonder if the drowned extras I'm remembering aren't from
DeMille's "Ten Commandments" but rather from "Noah's Ark"? Well, I
can't cancel my posts (I've tried!) so I'm bound to get a few
corrections on that. And on who directed the silent "Ben-Hur".
Darn those details and facts.
Stacia
Vince
<cade...@swbell.net> writes:
>
>No, that was Fred Niblo. DeMille directed the silent "Ten Commandments".
>However, although I would have to look it up, I believe your correct that
>someone did die as a result of an accident on a silent DeMille set.
>
Yes I know DeMille directed the silent "Ten Commandments" (which went a whole
different direction plot wise), But I did hear a number of people died filming
the race in the silent Ben Hur.
Vince
(Nick Macpherson) writes:
>
>My choice for biggest jerk in Hollywood: Walt Disney, drunken, anti-semitic,
>squealing to the feds, anti-union creep.
It gets my vote.
David Matthews
He was having trouble getting Margaret O'Brien to cry convincingly for
some scene (in "Meet Me in St. Louis" I think). He had someone come on
to the set and tell her that her pet dog has just been killed in a
road accident.
Dave in Toronto
Brent McKee
> "Nick Macpherson" <nmacp...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20031216171303...@mb-m23.aol.com...
> >
> > My choice for biggest jerk in Hollywood: Walt Disney, drunken,
> anti-semitic,
> > squealing to the feds, anti-union creep.
>
>
> You're kidding? I'd never heard any of those attributes used to
describe
> Walt Disney before.
Anti-union and squealing to the Feds are easily confirmed, and are
related. The 1941 Disney strike occurred when the animators organised
and joined a union and struck for higher wages (at the time I believe
animators were making something like $25 a week at Disney which was
less than at any other shop). In response Disney tried to get
notorious Hollywood union buster (and associate of Frank Nitti and the
Chicago mob) Willie Bioff involved but this was just about the time
when Bioff was having the legal troubles that broke his power in
Hollywood. Eventually the strike was settled, mostly in favour of the
union, and Disney was later forced to rehire some of the people he had
fired during the strike, although most didn't stay and quite a few
joined the new UPA studio. When the House Un-American Affairs
Committee began looking into Communist activities in Hollywood around
1947, Disney appeared before the committee and essentially accused the
leaders of the strike of being Communists who were trying to take his
studio from him.
Stephen Cooke
...of gossip and half-truths.
swac
ShaneOttawa
> Who are the biggest jerks in Hollywood's history, regardless of talent?
> I can think of Russell Crowe and John Bindon. I think I also heard
> that Ed Asner said Joseph Stalin was not as bad as people made him out
> to be, or something like that, which would put Asner right up there with
> the holocaust deniers.
What a stupid post. I'll wager you know little about either Russell
Crowe or whomever this John Bindon person is, and you're basing an
opinion on Ed Asner based on one comment that you say that you "think
I also heard"....
Vince
<dmatt...@sympatico.ca> writes:
>
>He was having trouble getting Margaret O'Brien to cry convincingly for
>some scene (in "Meet Me in St. Louis" I think). He had someone come on
>to the set and tell her that her pet dog has just been killed in a
>road accident.
>
and your point is Dave?
I often wonder how they get babies to cry on cue.
Cadet Grey
news:Pine.GSO.3.95.iB1.0.103...@halifax.chebucto.ns.ca.
..
I was using Kenneth Anger symbolically. However, do you have
specific examples of any information in the two "Hollywood Babylon"
books that has been disproven or even credibly disputed? It's my
understanding that everything he published was vetted by a battery
of lawyers to make sure it would be provable in court ...
- Grey
Nick Macpherson
It's been years since I've read either of the Hollywood Babylon books, but
wasn't Anger's info. on the Fatty Arbuckle incident dubious at best?
Stephen Cooke
On Wed, 17 Dec 2003, Cadet Grey wrote:
> "Stephen Cooke" <am...@chebucto.ns.ca> wrote:
> > On Tue, 16 Dec 2003, Cadet Grey wrote:
> > >
> > > Which brings up an interesting - and pertinent - point. There are still
> so
> > > many secrets buried inside the history of the studio system, those years
> > > during which Louis B. or Darryl F. and their ilk could buy off the
> police
> > > and stifle the press. I imagine if Kenneth Anger had been free to
> publish
> > > *everything* he knew, it would have only been the tip of a very large
> > > iceberg ...
> >
> > ...of gossip and half-truths.
>
>
> I was using Kenneth Anger symbolically. However, do you have
> specific examples of any information in the two "Hollywood Babylon"
> books that has been disproven or even credibly disputed? It's my
> understanding that everything he published was vetted by a battery
> of lawyers to make sure it would be provable in court ...
Or everyone he wrote about was dead and couldn't charge him with libel.
swac
Stephen Cooke
On 17 Dec 2003, Nick Macpherson wrote:
> It's been years since I've read either of the Hollywood Babylon books, but
> wasn't Anger's info. on the Fatty Arbuckle incident dubious at best?
Dubious doesn't even come close.
swac
steve
On 12-Dec-2003, "Jim Beaver" <jumb...@prodigy.spam> wrote:
> Edward Asner is the least jerkish person I've ever met in Hollywood.
> Drunk
> and high on acid he wouldn't have made that Stalin remark. He's one of
> the
> kindest, gentlest, and most humane people I've ever encountered, with a
> genuine love for mankind. You may not like his politics and he might not
> like yours, but he's a good man. One of the best.
I saw him on TV once defending Daniel Ortega. I thought he was knowingly
defending a dictatorship with coy phrases like "How can you call it a
dictatorship when 60% of the businesses are in the hands of the people", or
"the literacy rate has risen under Ortega". I doubt he made the Stalin
remark, but anyone who defends socialism, communism, or a dictatorship is
not a good man or a lover of mankind in my book.
...and I've got a book somewhere.
steve
--
"A man was severely injured today in the Knutsford area."
Benny Hill
David Matthews
"Vince" <holvb...@cs.comgoodguy> wrote in message
> In article <iXTDb.7947$CK3.6...@news20.bellglobal.com>, "David
Matthews"
> <dmatt...@sympatico.ca> writes:
>
> >
> >He was having trouble getting Margaret O'Brien to cry convincingly
for
> >some scene (in "Meet Me in St. Louis" I think). He had someone come
on
> >to the set and tell her that her pet dog has just been killed in a
> >road accident.
> >
>
> and your point is Dave?
>
> I often wonder how they get babies to cry on cue.
>
> Vince
My point is that I don't think that's a very nice thing to do!
Dave in Toronto
Cadet Grey
news:Pine.GSO.3.95.iB1.0.103...@halifax.chebucto.ns.ca.
..
>
How so?
-Grey
Vince
<dmatt...@sympatico.ca> writes:
>
>My point is that I don't think that's a very nice thing to do!
>
I just trying to be funny, no it wasn't a nice thing.
Directors are not always nice.
David Matthews
"Vince" <holvb...@cs.comgoodguy> wrote in message
> In article <4%5Eb.13582$CK3.1...@news20.bellglobal.com>, "David
Matthews"
> <dmatt...@sympatico.ca> writes:
>
> >
> >My point is that I don't think that's a very nice thing to do!
> >
>
> I just trying to be funny, no it wasn't a nice thing.
>
> Directors are not always nice.
>
> Vince
That's for sure. Directors like Fritz Lang, Otto Preminger and Michael
Curtiz being prime examples.
Regarding the Minnelli episode I know that is true because he admitted
it in an interview. He did have the grace to say that he felt terrible
afterwards but he did seem to have forgiven himself very handily. I
heard a rumor that King Vidor did more or less the same with Jackie
Coogan in "The Champ", told him that he was going to have his pet dog
killed if he didn't come across with the tears. Charmers all.
Dave in Toronto
Tony Spadaro
Lassie was boinking Asta. Then a couple others say -- I have from a
reliable source that Lassie is boinking Asta. The third group says -- It is
general knowledge that Lassie is boinking Asta, and now they both have doggy
aids, the question is what are we morally correct people going to do about
it?
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"ShaneOttawa" <shane...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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Avoid normal situations.
> Who gives a fuck?
Jorn does.
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Avoid normal situations.
> <how...@brazee.net> wrote in message
> news:DH0Db.3687$0s2....@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
[..]
> In short, I reiterate again, what thinking person gives a damn?
The dark side of human nature is an infinite and infinitely fascinating
subject. Therefore, being a film fan, I'm interested in knowing stuff like
this about the screen heroes of yesteryear and the folks who pulled their
puppet strings.
The problem is not so much threads like this, but one in which Russell
Crowe was mentioned before Marilyn Monroe or William Friedkin. *Then* it
looks too much like alt.showbiz.gossip.