FRENCH FILM ON INCEST
Kevin Leung
>
> There was a film with Peter O'Toole and Susannah York that had an incestuous
> relationship but a French film????
Well, there is _The Cement Garden_ with Charlotte Gainsburg (sp),
directed by Jane Birkin's brother or cousin or something like that.
Didn't like it much.
_Olivier, Olivier_ by Agneiska (sp) Holland is much more interesting,
although the "incest" is more ambiguous. The teenage girl character
is very well-written. This is the best of Ms. Holland's films I've
seen (_Europa, Europa_, which I hate; _Total Eclipse_;_Bitter Harvest_,
and _The Secret Garden_). Holland has quietly become one of the most
prominent woman-directors around today. _Olivier, Olivier_ is very
strange indeed, and reminds me of _The Double Life of Veronique_. That
may not be such a coincidence since Kieslowski and Piesiewicz used to
discuss their screenplays with Holland. One good thing about Holland's
films is that, most of them are scored by the incomparable Zbigniew
Preisner.
ali...@swbell.net
it was released app 1989-1996
i do not know the title
it was reviewed by siskel and ebert?
help?
rsvp
thanks
ab
John Harkness
> i am hunting a film about an adult brother and sister who are lovers
> it was released app 1989-1996
> i do not know the title
> it was reviewed by siskel and ebert?
There's Close My Eyes, with Alan Rickman and Saskia Reeves, but it's
English. The only French film that comes to mind is Claude Lelouch's
Second Chance, but that's a 70s film.
John
David Kelsey
writes
>ali...@swbell.net wrote:
>
>> i am hunting a film about an adult brother and sister who are lovers
>> it was released app 1989-1996
>There's Close My Eyes, with Alan Rickman and Saskia Reeves, but it's
>English. The only French film that comes to mind is Claude Lelouch's
>Second Chance, but that's a 70s film.
--
David Kelsey
Middlesbrough
UK
Reina 616
Tom Cervo
this, every other film performance of his looks like he's on medication--and
no, he's not the brother.
Michael Brooke
> Reina 616 wrote:
> >
> > There was a film with Peter O'Toole and Susannah York that had an incestuous
> > relationship but a French film????
>
> Well, there is _The Cement Garden_ with Charlotte Gainsburg (sp),
> directed by Jane Birkin's brother or cousin or something like that.
> Didn't like it much.
It's not a French film, either (Anglo-German literally, British to all
practical intents and purposes). Andrew Birkin is Jane Birkin's
brother, Charlotte Gainsbourg (sporting an astonishingly convincing
English accent) is his niece and Ned Birkin (who played the little boy)
is his son.
Apparently Jane Birkin was considered for the Sinead Cusack role, but
they thought that was going too far: the film may be about incest, but
there are limits!
Michael
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Philo D.
> i am hunting a film about an adult brother and sister who are lovers
> it was released app 1989-1996
> i do not know the title
> it was reviewed by siskel and ebert?
> help?
> rsvp
> thanks
> ab
I wint to the IMDb and searched using language=French, keyword=incest.
The result is:
1. Beau-père (1981)
...aka Stepfather (1981)
2. Ombre du doute, L' (1993)
...aka Shadow of a Doubt (1993)
3. Si c'était à refaire (1976)
...aka If I Had To Do It All Over Again (1976)
...aka Second Chance (1976/II)
4. Sitcom (1998)
If you limit it to 1989 - 1996, there is only one left,
"Shadow of a Doubt" -- is that the one? (I haven't seen it.)
--
Philo D. <do...@earthling.net>
FilmGene
Gene Stavis, School of Visual Arts - NYC
Jeffrey Davis
>
> The French film concerning incest was "Murmurs of the Heart".
I thought one of the plot points of the original request involved
brother/sister incest. That sounds closest to The Cement Garden w/
Charolotte Gainsbourg who's French. Murmurs of the Heart is about
incest, but it's mother/son incest. It's also, to my thinking, not about
incest as much as about leading the audience around by the nose. The
incest itself is presented as nice and tidy and something of a joke.
John Harkness
>
> The French film concerning incest was "Murmurs of the Heart".
>
Nope -- he wanted brother-sister incest, and that's mother-son
John
John Harkness
We posted virtually the same thing 12 seconds apart?
Jeffrey Davis wrote:
>
> FilmGene wrote:
> >
> > The French film concerning incest was "Murmurs of the Heart".
>
Daniel Cooper
Jeffrey Davis wrote in message <35AFB3...@ca.uky.edu>...
>FilmGene wrote:
>>
>> The French film concerning incest was "Murmurs of the Heart".
>
>I thought one of the plot points of the original request involved
>brother/sister incest. That sounds closest to The Cement Garden w/
>Charolotte Gainsbourg who's French. Murmurs of the Heart is about
>incest, but it's mother/son incest. It's also, to my thinking, not about
>incest as much as about leading the audience around by the nose. The
>incest itself is presented as nice and tidy and something of a joke.
Hmm, I couldn't disagree more with that assessment of "Murmur of the Heart".
Malle makes the idea of incest between the boy and his mother absolutely
plausible. The boy is tortured by his feelings for his mother, not by
guilt, but by longing. The incest is not presented as "nice and tidy" or
sanitized in any way, but as *natural*, which makes the viewer perhaps more
than slightly uncomfortable (though this is palliated by the stunning
features of the actress playing the mother). The climax of the movie is not
a "joke" as such. It's an absolute catharsis. I think this is one of
Malle's best and a very fine movie indeed. The Charlie Parker soundtrack is
thoroughly apropos.
D
SJB
>
> > i am hunting a film about an adult brother and sister who are lovers
> > it was released app 1989-1996
> > i do not know the title
>
It's not French, but could you be thinking of "Angels and Insects"
(1995)?
Jeffrey Davis
> Jeffrey Davis wrote:
> >
> >Murmurs of the Heart is about
> >incest, but it's mother/son incest. It's also, to my thinking, not about
> >incest as much as about leading the audience around by the nose. The
> >incest itself is presented as nice and tidy and something of a joke.
>
> Hmm, I couldn't disagree more with that assessment of "Murmur of the Heart".
> Malle makes the idea of incest between the boy and his mother absolutely
> plausible. The boy is tortured by his feelings for his mother, not by
> guilt, but by longing. The incest is not presented as "nice and tidy" or
> sanitized in any way, but as *natural*, which makes the viewer perhaps more
> than slightly uncomfortable (though this is palliated by the stunning
> features of the actress playing the mother). The climax of the movie is not
> a "joke" as such. It's an absolute catharsis. I think this is one of
> Malle's best and a very fine movie indeed.
To badly paraphrase Gershwin, you say "natural" and I say "nice and
tidy". I really don't see much difference. Malle presents the incest as
essentially a consequenceless rite of passage. Today, Mom. Tonight, the
girl down the hall. What makes it nice and tidy is that Malle presents
it as simply a given. When the kid comes in late and Dad's there, he's
proud that his son has been out sewing his oats. Everybody laughs. Ha
ha! One of the culture's deepest taboos turns out to be a bugbear akin
to a monster in the closet. Convincing for you. For me, not so much.
Altypic
<danc...@sprintmail.com> writes:
>The incest is not presented as "nice and tidy" or
>sanitized in any way, but as *natural*, which makes the viewer perhaps more
>than slightly uncomfortable (though this is palliated by the stunning
>features of the actress playing the mother). The climax of the movie is not
>a "joke" as such. It's an absolute catharsis. I think this is one of
>Malle's best and a very fine movie indeed.
All I'd like to do is absolutely agree with this assessment. The laughter at
the end is no joke.