Of all people ever filmed, who was born first?
William Shaw
ever filmed, who was born first? I thought it would be exciting if
someone born in the 18th century had been filmed (they'd have to be
around 100 years old I guess). However, a search of the IMDB shows
that Pope Leo XIII (born March 2, 1810) was born first, followed by
P.T. Barnum (born July 5, 1810). Is there anyone on film who was born
earlier than these two?
Thanks -- Bill.
Jim Beaver
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Phyllis Diller?
Jim Beaver
James Neibaur
jumb...@prodigy.spam wrote on 8/6/03 3:02 PM:
> Phyllis Diller?
You're a bad man, Jim
JN
Luke McKernan
been born in the 18th century, may have been Rebecca Clarke. She was
108 when she was filmed for a Kinora reel (a peep-show system) some
time between 1902 and 1910. That would make her born between 1794 and
1802. Unfortunately there is no certain date for the film. The film
is listed (and illustrated) in Barry Anthony's "The Kinora: Motion
Pictures for the Home 1896-1914" (Projection Box, 1996). She was
billed as 'the well known centenarian of 108".
Luke McKernan
On 6 Aug 2003 07:58:49 -0700, billsha...@fastmail.fm (William
Lady Wakasa
through civil / religious records, local newspapers, etc for any
mention of her birth, marriage, other notable events...
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gardibolt
> been born in the 18th century, may have been Rebecca Clarke. She was
> 108 when she was filmed for a Kinora reel (a peep-show system) some
> time between 1902 and 1910. That would make her born between 1794 and
> 1802. Unfortunately there is no certain date for the film. The film
> is listed (and illustrated) in Barry Anthony's "The Kinora: Motion
> Pictures for the Home 1896-1914" (Projection Box, 1996). She was
> billed as 'the well known centenarian of 108".
>
>
> Luke McKernan
>
On the assumption that since the Kinora was a British product that Ms.
Clarke was English herself, we have a few possible candidates from the
1881 British census. I've also made the additional assumption that
she kept the spelling of her last name consistent between 1881 and
1910 (i.e., Clarke, not Clark) and that Kinora reported it correctly.
That last assumption is rather chancy given the variances in
orthography in the 19th century, but so it goes. Many, many Rebecca
Clark/Clarkes were born in the appropriate time period, but only a
handful survived at least to 1881 (watch for wrap on the links,
sorry):
Rebecca A. Clarke, born 1809 (not quite 108 years in 1910)
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/census/individual_record.asp?INDI_CODE=1881BR%5F1825186%5F0&lds=5®ion=1®ionfriendly=&juris1=Engl&juris2=&juris3=&juris4=®ionfriendly=&juris1friendly=England&juris2friendly=&juris3friendly=&juris4friendly=
Rebecca May Clarke, born 1809 (ditto)
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/census/individual_record.asp?INDI_CODE=1881BR%5F1913386%5F7&lds=5®ion=1®ionfriendly=&juris1=Engl&juris2=&juris3=&juris4=®ionfriendly=&juris1friendly=England&juris2friendly=&juris3friendly=&juris4friendly=
Rebecca Clarke, born 1811 (even younger)
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/census/individual_record.asp?INDI_CODE=1881BR%5F1985324%5F1&lds=5®ion=1®ionfriendly=&juris1=Engl&juris2=&juris3=&juris4=®ionfriendly=&juris1friendly=England&juris2friendly=&juris3friendly=&juris4friendly=
Rebecca Clark (no e), born 1803--different spelling, but almost 108 in
1910.
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/census/individual_record.asp?INDI_CODE=1881BR%5F2441123%5F2&lds=5®ion=1®ionfriendly=&juris1=Engl&juris2=&juris3=&juris4=®ionfriendly=&juris1friendly=England&juris2friendly=&juris3friendly=&juris4friendly=
Rebecca Clarke, born 1812 (not even 100 in 1910)
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/census/individual_record.asp?INDI_CODE=1881BR%5F1656395%5F1&lds=5®ion=1®ionfriendly=&juris1=Engl&juris2=&juris3=&juris4=®ionfriendly=&juris1friendly=England&juris2friendly=&juris3friendly=&juris4friendly=
Rebecca Clarke born 1807 (still not quite 108)
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/census/individual_record.asp?INDI_CODE=1881BR%5F1997036%5F0&lds=5®ion=1®ionfriendly=&juris1=Engl&juris2=&juris3=&juris4=®ionfriendly=&juris1friendly=England&juris2friendly=&juris3friendly=&juris4friendly=
Rebecca Clarke born 1795.....We may have a winner!
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/census/individual_record.asp?INDI_CODE=1881BR%5F1999290%5F14&lds=5®ion=1®ionfriendly=&juris1=Engl&juris2=&juris3=&juris4=®ionfriendly=&juris1friendly=England&juris2friendly=&juris3friendly=&juris4friendly=
Poor lady was a charwoman living in the workhouse at this point in
1881 (86 years of age). Name spelled right, and in the right age
frame.
Rebecca Clark born 1795...same age as our charwoman, but no e on the
end.
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/census/individual_record.asp?INDI_CODE=1881BR%5F817612%5F2&lds=5®ion=1®ionfriendly=&juris1=Engl&juris2=&juris3=&juris4=®ionfriendly=&juris1friendly=England&juris2friendly=&juris3friendly=&juris4friendly=
Rebecca Clarke born 1807, again, only 103 as of 1810 but might have
been a fibber.
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/census/individual_record.asp?INDI_CODE=1881BR%5F2388579%5F21&lds=5®ion=1®ionfriendly=&juris1=Engl&juris2=&juris3=&juris4=®ionfriendly=&juris1friendly=England&juris2friendly=&juris3friendly=&juris4friendly=
But that's it for candidates in the ballpark of the age range. I'd
hazard a semieducated guess that the 1795 charwoman, based on the date
and spelling of the name, is our lady in the Kinora film. If she was
really 108, that would make the date of the Kinora c. 1903, and that
gets us into the 18th century. Looking elsewhere in the genealogical
databases I don't find a date of death for our charwoman, though I
certainly haven't checked everything that's out there.
Mark
Frederica
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http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/census/individual_record.asp?INDI_COD
E=1881BR%5F1999290%5F14&lds=5®ion=1®ionfriendly=&juris1=Engl&juris2=&j
uris3=&juris4=®ionfriendly=&juris1friendly=England&juris2friendly=&juris3
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> Poor lady was a charwoman living in the workhouse at this point in
> 1881 (86 years of age). Name spelled right, and in the right age
> frame.
Good heavens, she survived the workhouse that long? Tough little nut. Are
we certain her birthdate is correct? Does your source show anything? I
assume they use church records to establish birthdate, but those may not be
accurate if christening or baptism is delayed.
Frederica
Luke McKernan
label on the Kinora box (the Kinora reel itself survives), which reads
as follows: "Rebecca Clarke and kitten. The well known centenarian of
108, serenly sewing in a chair is surprised by a kitten which jumps up
on her. She caresses the kitten, which struggles and nearly escapes".
All Kinora reels were numbered, and this is numbered 145 -
unfortunately, this provides no indication as to its date, as there
were a number of different series. No 142 shows the funeral of King
Edward VII (1910), but no 143 is the American Biograph title THE
BURGLAR-PROOF BED (1900). I've suggested 1902-1910 as the likeliest
range of dates, knowing the history of Kinora and judging from the
range of extant titles, but the first Kinora reels were made in 1896,
the last in 1914.
I've looked through FamilySearch.com and other sources, but - as has
been pointed out - there were quite a number of Rebecca Clarkes. And
she may well have lied about her age.
Luke
Darren
>hazard a semieducated guess that the 1795 charwoman,
>
--
Have a nice day, :)
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Frederica
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> >hazard a semieducated guess that the 1795 charwoman,
> >
> What is a "charwoman?"
>
> --
> Have a nice day, :)
A woman who does the harder housekeeping chores, scrubbing floors, etc.
Frederica
Eric Stott
Darren wrote:
> >hazard a semieducated guess that the 1795 charwoman,
> >
> What is a "charwoman?"
>
> A British term for a cleaning woman- usually associated with the mop
> and bucket sort.
Stott
Stephen Cooke
On Thu, 7 Aug 2003, Darren wrote:
>
> >hazard a semieducated guess that the 1795 charwoman,
> >
> What is a "charwoman?"
A female who is head of the bard.
swac
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Took me a few seconds to get that.
HILARIOUS!!!