Kumar Sanu and Udit Narayan (was Re: AHAT/DDLJ)
Anand Tiwari
Hi Arnab,
Here i am returning to you after a night's sleep to clarify
some more points. I hope you are aware that the original post wanted the
opinion of individual RAMLians on the songs of DDLJ/AHAT. More specifically
the person wanted to know the preferences of individuals on the
subject of "Tujhe dekha to >< "Mehndi laga ke rakhna" My response
was "Ho gaya hai tujhko" is my favourite among the 2 albums but i
prefer "Mehndi laga ke" to "Tujhe dekha to" personally because i find
Sanu's hindi diction faulty. To this Mr Paika replied that Udit's voice
was full of shit.
This was the scenario before i got flamed and send in an equally sick
retort. Now let me argue things more rationally. The English pronounciation
of Sanu which i referred to in the "Taqdeerwala" song "Kya top hai,
shirt hai, kya mast "jins" (jeans) hai" was to demonstrate that Sanu's
diction is poor. I merely added English to the list. Of his faulty
diction in Hindi i can give several examples -:
1> Ek "hasin" (should be "Haseen") nigaah ka from "Maya Memsaab"
2> Kya "kehna" hai (should be "kahna") from 1942-ALS
3> Le ja gori chhalla "nisani" (should be "nishani") from "Hum sab
chor hain"
to mention a few. My "rosogolla" reference was to the fact that (and
you can try it) that if you put a round object in your mouth and try
to speak Hindi you will invariably get Bangla. The "mithaas" of the
Bengali language is because the words are rounded off and the shrill
sounds are toned down. I have seen Kumar Sanu giving an interview to
DD where his hindi was awful and he himself claimed that he could not
speak it properly. No problem, neither it is a crime but his bad
pronounciation reflects in his singing which sometimes gets hard on the
ears.
Mr Paika only mentions "people" who say Udit's diction is faulty but
does not give any evidence except for stating that "Udit's voice is full
of shit". I hope you shall agree that it is one thing to say that "i like
Sanu over Udit" and another to say those above mentioned words. This
merely reflects his chauvnistic attitude. I have always remained
against such sort of an attitude. Instead of approaching a debate
objectively such statements not only kill the spirit of the debate but
also produce no results. My policy has been to mostly ignore such
posts but i think i reacted to this one.
Singer's have been singing Hindi songs for more than 6 decades in films
and most of them had a diction problem. My preference of Udit over
Sanu is mostly due to the fact that most of the time he does more
justice to the pronounciation of words than Sanu. Imagine if somebody
sang Rabindrasangeet (Please note this is an example not a comparison
between Hindi songs and Rabindrasangeet) pronouncing the words badly
how would you take it.
Sanu is a successful singer. He is even venturing into Bengali films.
His recent statement in the latest India Today about his entering the
sphere of acting -" I can take the risk in Bengal. They are all my fans
there". I find such statements sick. In an indirect fashion this is the
promotion of rampant regionalism (an issue i do not wish to discuss
on RAMLI). A few examples-:
Rajni kant (real name "Shivaji rao Gaekwaad") is not a Tamilian but
his charisma is unmatched in Tamil Nadu even by Kamal. Nobody can
claim the mass following which Rajni enjoys in Tamil Nadu.
Kishore Kumar although a Bengali by birth never referred to Bengal or
Calcutta as his home. His statements were persistent -" My home is
Khandwa (M.P) and i want to retire there"
Of course it is great to see the local lad gain heights but this should
not attain the proportions of fanaticism so that you go around calling
his competitors "a load of shit". Going by such an example we should
be with the people who shouted "Sachin Tendulkar murdabad" outside
Eden Garden's when Saurav Ganguly was dropped for a match although
according to Sachin Saurav was the least perturbed and understood the
decision best. This was just to give an analogy.
There are a lot of things i personally take pride in and one of them
is having spent my childhood in an extremely culture concious environment
of West Bengal. I do not like it when narrow minded people do silly things
and bring down the picture of the state as a whole.
Had Mr Paika said " I like Sanu better than Udit" or "Sanu is a far
better singer than Udit" it would have been OK. Nobody asks reasons because
this is a persoanl choice but calling the other singer's voice "full
of shit" is entirely unacceptable. As far as my comment on Sanu's diction
is concerned i am willing to put more examples and arguements if the
point needs to be clarified. But once again Sanu has a very poor Hindi
pronounciation and i have always managed to catch the Bengali touch
to his mouthing of Hindi words. I hope this clears the issue from my side.
Also i regret if my offensive post aggreived people and once again thank
you for pulling me up. I really appreciate that.
regards
Anand
Arnab Gupta
Anand Tiwari writes:
>Hi Arnab,
> Here i am returning to you after a night's sleep to clarify
>some more points. I hope you are aware that the original post wanted the
>opinion of individual RAMLians on the songs of DDLJ/AHAT. More specifically
>the person wanted to know the preferences of individuals on the
>subject of "Tujhe dekha to >< "Mehndi laga ke rakhna" My response
>was "Ho gaya hai tujhko" is my favourite among the 2 albums but i
>prefer "Mehndi laga ke" to "Tujhe dekha to" personally because i find
>Sanu's hindi diction faulty. To this Mr Paika replied that Udit's voice
>was full of shit.
>
>This was the scenario before i got flamed and send in an equally sick
>retort. Now let me argue things more rationally. The English pronounciation
>of Sanu which i referred to in the "Taqdeerwala" song "Kya top hai,
>shirt hai, kya mast "jins" (jeans) hai" was to demonstrate that Sanu's
>diction is poor. I merely added English to the list. Of his faulty
>diction in Hindi i can give several examples -:
>1> Ek "hasin" (should be "Haseen") nigaah ka from "Maya Memsaab"
>2> Kya "kehna" hai (should be "kahna") from 1942-ALS
>3> Le ja gori chhalla "nisani" (should be "nishani") from "Hum sab
>chor hain"
>to mention a few.
Let me tell you something very frankly Anand. I think I will be doing
a lot of favour to Shanu if I say I don't really like his song.
My point was never to defend Shanu. What that particular gentleman
had written about Udit's voice was a reflection of his
overenthusiasm with the singer, something verging on the level of
idol-worship. So, his choice of words was not that surprising.
What I found strange was *your* reply to him, which, inspite of
being devoid of four-letter words, was no less impolite than
what he had written.
My "rosogolla" reference was to the fact that (and
>you can try it) that if you put a round object in your mouth and try
>to speak Hindi you will invariably get Bangla. The "mithaas" of the
>Bengali language is because the words are rounded off and the shrill
>sounds are toned down.
Is it so simple Anand ? Will you agree if I say "Put a `burfi'
in your mouth, square out your Bangla, and hey pestro, guess what
you get ? It's pure Hindi." ?
I have seen Kumar Sanu giving an interview to
>DD where his hindi was awful and he himself claimed that he could not
>speak it properly. No problem, neither it is a crime but his bad
>pronounciation reflects in his singing which sometimes gets hard on the
>ears.
>
Probably he has something else which you and I a cannot appreciate,
but others can. That may be what made him popular!!
>Mr Paika only mentions "people" who say Udit's diction is faulty but
>does not give any evidence except for stating that "Udit's voice is full
>of shit". I hope you shall agree that it is one thing to say that "i like
>Sanu over Udit" and another to say those above mentioned words. This
>merely reflects his chauvnistic attitude. I have always remained
>against such sort of an attitude. Instead of approaching a debate
>objectively such statements not only kill the spirit of the debate but
>also produce no results. My policy has been to mostly ignore such
>posts but i think i reacted to this one.
>
>Singer's have been singing Hindi songs for more than 6 decades in films
>and most of them had a diction problem. My preference of Udit over
>Sanu is mostly due to the fact that most of the time he does more
>justice to the pronounciation of words than Sanu. Imagine if somebody
>sang Rabindrasangeet (Please note this is an example not a comparison
>between Hindi songs and Rabindrasangeet) pronouncing the words badly
>how would you take it.
>
Have you heard Sanu's Rabindrasangeet ? It's pathetic (and that's
`diction' included).
>Sanu is a successful singer. He is even venturing into Bengali films.
>His recent statement in the latest India Today about his entering the
>sphere of acting -" I can take the risk in Bengal. They are all my fans
>there". I find such statements sick. In an indirect fashion this is the
>promotion of rampant regionalism (an issue i do not wish to discuss
>on RAMLI). A few examples-:
>Rajni kant (real name "Shivaji rao Gaekwaad") is not a Tamilian but
>his charisma is unmatched in Tamil Nadu even by Kamal. Nobody can
>claim the mass following which Rajni enjoys in Tamil Nadu.
>
>Kishore Kumar although a Bengali by birth never referred to Bengal or
>Calcutta as his home. His statements were persistent -" My home is
>Khandwa (M.P) and i want to retire there"
>
>Of course it is great to see the local lad gain heights but this should
>not attain the proportions of fanaticism so that you go around calling
>his competitors "a load of shit". Going by such an example we should
>be with the people who shouted "Sachin Tendulkar murdabad" outside
>Eden Garden's when Saurav Ganguly was dropped for a match although
>according to Sachin Saurav was the least perturbed and understood the
>decision best. This was just to give an analogy.
>
>There are a lot of things i personally take pride in and one of them
>is having spent my childhood in an extremely culture concious environment
>of West Bengal. I do not like it when narrow minded people do silly things
>and bring down the picture of the state as a whole.
>
Forget about these. Every state and every region in this world has
its share of parochial population.
>Had Mr Paika said " I like Sanu better than Udit" or "Sanu is a far
>better singer than Udit" it would have been OK. Nobody asks reasons because
>this is a persoanl choice but calling the other singer's voice "full
>of shit" is entirely unacceptable. As far as my comment on Sanu's diction
>is concerned i am willing to put more examples and arguements if the
>point needs to be clarified. But once again Sanu has a very poor Hindi
>pronounciation and i have always managed to catch the Bengali touch
>to his mouthing of Hindi words. I hope this clears the issue from my side.
>Also i regret if my offensive post aggreived people and once again thank
>you for pulling me up. I really appreciate that.
Thanks for your reply.
Arnab.
ANWAR SADAT
I think this discussion now belongs on RMIM, folks.
(By the way, despite his "nasal-effect", Sonu is still terrific.) :)
Peeyush Ranjan
ANWAR SADAT wrote:
>
> (By the way, despite his "nasal-effect", Sonu is still terrific.) :)
Kr Shanu *has* sung some nice songs, and has sounded pretty good in
them, too. But something which mars his singer personality is his
attitude (he once commented that the era of Kishore is gone.. Kr Shanu
is here.. can you believe that?!!). And as for his voice, you just now
qualified it.
-Peeyush
Peeyush Ranjan
I think Abhijeet is another one of the talented guys of today.. and his
voice is all the time surely more melodious than Kr Shanu. Try Badi
Mushkil Hai...
-Peeyush
khisar m paika
Anand Tiwari wrote:
>
> Hi Arnab,
> Here i am returning to you after a night's sleep to clarify
> some more points. I hope you are aware that the original post wanted the
> opinion of individual RAMLians on the songs of DDLJ/AHAT. More specifically
> the person wanted to know the preferences of individuals on the
> subject of "Tujhe dekha to >< "Mehndi laga ke rakhna" My response
> was "Ho gaya hai tujhko" is my favourite among the 2 albums but i
> prefer "Mehndi laga ke" to "Tujhe dekha to" personally because i find
> Sanu's hindi diction faulty. To this Mr Paika replied that Udit's voice
> was full of shit.
>
> This was the scenario before i got flamed and send in an equally sick
> retort. Now let me argue things more rationally. The English pronounciation
> of Sanu which i referred to in the "Taqdeerwala" song "Kya top hai,
> shirt hai, kya mast "jins" (jeans) hai" was to demonstrate that Sanu's
> diction is poor. I merely added English to the list. Of his faulty
> diction in Hindi i can give several examples -:
> 1> Ek "hasin" (should be "Haseen") nigaah ka from "Maya Memsaab"
> 2> Kya "kehna" hai (should be "kahna") from 1942-ALS
> 3> Le ja gori chhalla "nisani" (should be "nishani") from "Hum sab
> chor hain"
kehna can be said either way both are ccrrect. The other two of which I
know of only ek "hasin", are only two examples out of the 7000+ songs
that ks has sung, which doesn't play any relivance. Even if you give me
another 100 examples it still won't be enough to prove sanu has a bad
diction.
> to mention a few. My "rosogolla" reference was to the fact that (and
> you can try it) that if you put a round object in your mouth and try
> to speak Hindi you will invariably get Bangla. The "mithaas" of the
> Bengali language is because the words are rounded off and the shrill
> sounds are toned down. I have seen Kumar Sanu giving an interview to
> DD where his hindi was awful and he himself claimed that he could not
> speak it properly. No problem, neither it is a crime but his bad
> pronounciation reflects in his singing which sometimes gets hard on the
> ears.
You probably need to get your ears checked, I think udits tere chere pe
hai jaadu from loafer is not only harsh to the ears but repeated
listening will probably ruin it for good, (no offense to udit fans)
>
> Mr Paika only mentions "people" who say Udit's diction is faulty but
> does not give any evidence except for stating that "Udit's voice is full
> of shit". I hope you shall agree that it is one thing to say that "i like
> Sanu over Udit" and another to say those above mentioned words. This
> merely reflects his chauvnistic attitude. I have always remained
> against such sort of an attitude. Instead of approaching a debate
> objectively such statements not only kill the spirit of the debate but
> also produce no results. My policy has been to mostly ignore such
> posts but i think i reacted to this one.
Again to give you an eye for an eye.
>
> Singer's have been singing Hindi songs for more than 6 decades in films
> and most of them had a diction problem. My preference of Udit over
> Sanu is mostly due to the fact that most of the time he does more
> justice to the pronounciation of words than Sanu. Imagine if somebody
> sang Rabindrasangeet (Please note this is an example not a comparison
> between Hindi songs and Rabindrasangeet) pronouncing the words badly
> how would you take it.
>
> Sanu is a successful singer. He is even venturing into Bengali films.
> His recent statement in the latest India Today about his entering the
> sphere of acting -" I can take the risk in Bengal. They are all my fans
I think what ks actually meant there is that him speaking bengali will
be more accetable to the audience that him speaking hindi knowing that
people will not try to make fun of him like you try to do.
> there". I find such statements sick. In an indirect fashion this is the
> promotion of rampant regionalism (an issue i do not wish to discuss
> on RAMLI). A few examples-:
> Rajni kant (real name "Shivaji rao Gaekwaad") is not a Tamilian but
> his charisma is unmatched in Tamil Nadu even by Kamal. Nobody can
> claim the mass following which Rajni enjoys in Tamil Nadu.
>
> Kishore Kumar although a Bengali by birth never referred to Bengal or
> Calcutta as his home. His statements were persistent -" My home is
> Khandwa (M.P) and i want to retire there"
>
> Of course it is great to see the local lad gain heights but this should
> not attain the proportions of fanaticism so that you go around calling
> his competitors "a load of shit". Going by such an example we should
> be with the people who shouted "Sachin Tendulkar murdabad" outside
> Eden Garden's when Saurav Ganguly was dropped for a match although
> according to Sachin Saurav was the least perturbed and understood the
> decision best. This was just to give an analogy.
>
> There are a lot of things i personally take pride in and one of them
> is having spent my childhood in an extremely culture concious environment
> of West Bengal. I do not like it when narrow minded people do silly things
You should be saying that to yourself.
> and bring down the picture of the state as a whole.
>
> Had Mr Paika said " I like Sanu better than Udit" or "Sanu is a far
> better singer than Udit" it would have been OK. Nobody asks reasons because
> this is a persoanl choice but calling the other singer's voice "full
> of shit" is entirely unacceptable. As far as my comment on Sanu's diction
> is concerned i am willing to put more examples and arguements if the
> point needs to be clarified. But once again Sanu has a very poor Hindi
> pronounciation and i have always managed to catch the Bengali touch
> to his mouthing of Hindi words. I hope this clears the issue from my
It's still not as bad as udit substituting saa for zaa, in almost every
song he sings, examples are aisa szakam diya hai...hum to zaan de kar
and also ho nahin Zsaktaaaa.
Actually sanu's bengali touch makes him more of a unique singer.
Peeyush Ranjan
Vijay Sundararajan wrote:
> Well be your opinion as it may, Abhijeet has a even bigger ego than KS
> allegedly has (according to you that is), in a tv program couple of
> years back, he declared himself to be the only legit. clone of KK,
> his cloning was legalised according to him by his natural singing
> ishtyle.
Well.. may be you are correct.. I never heard of it and if what you say
is right, Abhijeet is just a clone.. KS cliams to be better...
-Peeyush
Vijay Sundararajan
In article <328665...@cs.purdue.edu>,
Well be your opinion as it may, Abhijeet has a even bigger ego than KS
allegedly has (according to you that is), in a tv program couple of
years back, he declared himself to be the only legit. clone of KK,
his cloning was legalised according to him by his natural singing
ishtyle.
I feel the attitude of a singer shouldn't cloud our opinion on his/her
singing ability, for I believe that if a person is loud and vain in his/her
speeches he/she is more likely to be honest :-)
More often than not all this "IMHOing artists" are only cloaking a big
ego that eventually surfaces, and shows its head in the ugliest possible
way. Modesty my friend is a rare virtue, it is very hard to cultivate
as you grow, you are more often than not born "into" it.
When I hear the singers of today dispassionately, only Sanu cuts the
mark required to be successful for a long period of time.
Udit Narayan always presents a listener with the big limitations that
his singing voice has, the only thing remotely interesting in his voice
is that it doesn't resemble any other singer.
-Vijay
-Vijay
-Vijay
>
>-Peeyush
Anand Tiwari
In article <328684...@unm.edu>, khisar says...
>
>Anand Tiwari wrote:
>>
>> Hi Arnab,
>> Here i am returning to you after a night's sleep to clarify
>> some more points. I hope you are aware that the original post wanted the
>> opinion of individual RAMLians on the songs of DDLJ/AHAT. More specifically
>> the person wanted to know the preferences of individuals on the
>> subject of "Tujhe dekha to >< "Mehndi laga ke rakhna" My response
>> was "Ho gaya hai tujhko" is my favourite among the 2 albums but i
>> prefer "Mehndi laga ke" to "Tujhe dekha to" personally because i find
>> Sanu's hindi diction faulty. To this Mr Paika replied that Udit's voice
>> was full of shit.
>>
>> This was the scenario before i got flamed and send in an equally sick
>> retort. Now let me argue things more rationally. The English pronounciation
>> of Sanu which i referred to in the "Taqdeerwala" song "Kya top hai,
>> shirt hai, kya mast "jins" (jeans) hai" was to demonstrate that Sanu's
>> diction is poor. I merely added English to the list. Of his faulty
>> diction in Hindi i can give several examples -:
>> 1> Ek "hasin" (should be "Haseen") nigaah ka from "Maya Memsaab"
>> 2> Kya "kehna" hai (should be "kahna") from 1942-ALS
>> 3> Le ja gori chhalla "nisani" (should be "nishani") from "Hum sab
>> chor hain"
Hi Mr Paika,
I read both your reply posts.
Point No1> You did not read my original reply to the original post carefully.
I had answered the persons's question as regards the question and merely
mentioned what i felt about Sanu's diction. Since my mother tounge is HINDI
and your's is not i consider myself to be a better judge. Who am I to judge?
I am a part of the audience as you are and i am entitled to my judgement as
you are. So thus evaporates your allegation that i was not replying to
the main topic of the post.
Point No2> I am not a fan of Udit Narayan. OK. Your eye for eye theory is
based on fallacious reasoning. I only prefer Udit to Sanu personally (mark
this) If i am a fan of anyone then it is the great Kishore Kumar. So your
eye for eye theory looks ridiculous and i beg your pardon foolish. You assumed
too much from my post.
Point No3> In both your posts you are all for your eye for eye concept. If
you like Sanu so much (and you have every right to do so) you could
post something informative about his singing rather than "daring" my opinions.
Read Arnab's post, his rabindrasangeet is pathetic. As for narrow mindedness
the less said about your comment the better.
Sanu is your God. I have no objectiions. But you cannnot say how "dare" you
OK. people question the diction of Kishore Kumar and Mohammed Rafi also. sanu
may be great for you that does not exempt him from criticism. You have
criticised Udit and it is fine but calling a singer's voice "a load of shit"
without any provocation and based on a fallacious theroy and presumption
is ridiculous to say the least.
So please exercise some judicious reasoning before you post something like this.
When i said Sanu needs to learn Hindi before he sings i remarked on his
diction. I never said that his voice was "diseased" (a recent comment on RMIM)
or that he uses medicine to keep his voice clear (again a recent observation
on RMIM). It is no use getting spiteful on an NG. You have your likings and
i have mine and we can argue the pros and cons of each other's likes and disli
-kes but without getting spiteful and personal. This is apparently my last
post on the subject. You are welcome to comment in any fashion you wish to
and praise Kumar Sanu to the skies and call other singer's "a load of shit"
i have made my point.
regards
Anand
Ashok
In article <5629ff$6...@lex.zippo.com>, an...@cegt201.bradley.ed says...
>
>Of his faulty
>diction in Hindi i can give several examples -:
>1> Ek "hasin" (should be "Haseen") nigaah ka from "Maya Memsaab"
>2> Kya "kehna" hai (should be "kahna") from 1942-ALS
>3> Le ja gori chhalla "nisani" (should be "nishani") from "Hum sab
>chor hain"
>to mention a few.
Don't know about (1) and (3), but I have a serious problem with (2).
Can you give an example of any great singer (Lata, Rafi, Kishore, let
us say) saying "kahna" in a Hindi song? What I remember are song lines
like:
Padosan/Lata: "sharm aati hai magar aaj ye KEHNA hoga"
Padosan/Kishore: "KEHNA hai, aaj mujhe tum se ye PEHLI baar"
Chhaya/Rafi: "yaa KEH do ham insaan nahi.n, yaa maan ja tu bhagwaan nahi.n"
> My "rosogolla" reference was to the fact that (and
>you can try it) that if you put a round object in your mouth and try
>to speak Hindi you will invariably get Bangla.
> Anand
I tried it, but it barely sounded like any human language I have ever
heard! :) Anyway, didn't have any problem pronouncing "w", so it
can't be Bangla!
Ashok
Peeyush Ranjan
khisar m paika (khi...@unm.edu) wrote:
: another 100 examples it still won't be enough to prove sanu has a bad
: diction.
Well.. if you are biased and not open to logical pursuation, nothing can
prove it for you.
: You probably need to get your ears checked, I think udits tere chere pe
: hai jaadu from loafer is not only harsh to the ears but repeated
I think that quality of the song should to be attributed to its music director.
: I think what ks actually meant there is that him speaking bengali will
: be more accetable to the audience that him speaking hindi knowing that
: people will not try to make fun of him like you try to do.
People didnt make fun of every singer who knew how to speak Bengali.. but they
surely make fun of KS.. all because he can't pronounce Hindi well.
: Actually sanu's bengali touch makes him more of a unique singer.
Unique might be a right word.. but then everything unique can not and is not
good.
-Peeyush
Anand Tiwari
In article <568jd4$g...@lex.zippo.com>, ADhar...@WorldBank.Org says...
>>diction in Hindi i can give several examples -:
>>1> Ek "hasin" (should be "Haseen") nigaah ka from "Maya Memsaab"
>>2> Kya "kehna" hai (should be "kahna") from 1942-ALS
>>3> Le ja gori chhalla "nisani" (should be "nishani") from "Hum sab
>>chor hain"
>>to mention a few.
>
>
>Can you give an example of any great singer (Lata, Rafi, Kishore, let
>us say) saying "kahna" in a Hindi song? What I remember are song lines
>like:
>
>Padosan/Lata: "sharm aati hai magar aaj ye KEHNA hoga"
>Padosan/Kishore: "KEHNA hai, aaj mujhe tum se ye PEHLI baar"
>Chhaya/Rafi: "yaa KEH do ham insaan nahi.n, yaa maan ja tu bhagwaan nahi.n"
>
Hi Ashok ji,
perhaps i did not bring out my point properly. If you listen to
the song carefully Sanu says (and very clearly) "Kya Ke-he-na hai, Kya
Sunna hai". Their is a distinct "AE" sound after the "Ha" which is completely
avoidable. When i said "kahna" (ka-ha-na, with very short "aa's") it implied
the actual kehna sound. Also both Sanu and Bappi Lahiri have a problem with the
pronounciation of "nahin". Lahiri always and Sanu sometimes say "nae-hin".
Most of the pronounciation defects of Sanu are in this category. Hope this
clears the issue.
regards
Anand
>
>
>
>> My "rosogolla" reference was to the fact that (and
>>you can try it) that if you put a round object in your mouth and try
>>to speak Hindi you will invariably get Bangla.
>
krnan...@uncc.campus.mci.net
All I can say That Like there are "All time great" Kumar Sanu is "ALL
TIME WORST" singer. I donot care about his hindi-cum-begali jyada
pronounciation, SDB was having too much of it, still quality of his
songs were so good, most music lovers like his type of singing. But KS
singing is simply worst. PERIOD.
Let me Put one Question to all RAMLIans & RMIMers:
WHAT MAKES A SONG GREAT?
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To me,
1. The selection of a Dhun/Raga of the song comes at the first place,
and there is no doubt that it is done mostly by MD of the song.
2. Now this is harder to make a selection: The Quality of singing by a
singer or the quality of singing by a singer accepted by MD? Who is more
responsible? Or what if MD does not have any other choice and have to DO
it? Well. a good singer can make a very simple song based on not very
good Dhun a Great one too! As well as a bad singer ccan mess up so many
good points of a would be good song.
3. Lyrics of the song can be simple and still the song can be a great
one. If the lyrics of the song are great still the song can be a not so
good. It depends upon 1, 2, or both 1-2.
4. The background music of a song also can make a song not enjoyable,
and good background, inbetween antra music clips can make a simple song
more enjoyable.
5. Above all the points there is one most important aspect of a song to
make it great is LISTENER him/er self. Some of the songs are not that
great in general or unbiased view, but if it has a kind of
memory/incident connected with it, that makes it great. A song never
liked by you can be your favourite, if someone you love likes it. And
internally one even starts thinking that why I was not enjoying such a
good song? Similarly a good song can be disliked by some people, and
there is no way to make some people agree to the fact.
More of this Later,
Cheers,
krn.
Ravi Krishna
krnan...@uncc.campus.mci.net (krnan...@uncc.campus.mci.net) wrote:
: All I can say That Like there are "All time great" Kumar Sanu is "ALL
: TIME WORST" singer. I donot care about his hindi-cum-begali jyada
: pronounciation, SDB was having too much of it, still quality of his
: songs were so good, most music lovers like his type of singing. But KS
: singing is simply worst. PERIOD.
It's a pity that all music directors like Anand Millind , Nadeem Shravan,
R D Burman , Jatil Lalit etc did not learm music from you , otherwise they
would have never taken "horrible singer" Kumar Sanu. Next time when you go
to India why don't you teach them music.
Vijay Sundararajan
In article <568jd4$g...@lex.zippo.com>, Ashok <ADhar...@WorldBank.Org> wrote:
>In article <5629ff$6...@lex.zippo.com>, an...@cegt201.bradley.ed says...
>>
>>diction in Hindi i can give several examples -:
>>1> Ek "hasin" (should be "Haseen") nigaah ka from "Maya Memsaab"
>>2> Kya "kehna" hai (should be "kahna") from 1942-ALS
>>3> Le ja gori chhalla "nisani" (should be "nishani") from "Hum sab
>>chor hain"
>>to mention a few.
>
>
>Can you give an example of any great singer (Lata, Rafi, Kishore, let
>us say) saying "kahna" in a Hindi song? What I remember are song lines
>like:
>
>Padosan/Lata: "sharm aati hai magar aaj ye KEHNA hoga"
>Padosan/Kishore: "KEHNA hai, aaj mujhe tum se ye PEHLI baar"
>Chhaya/Rafi: "yaa KEH do ham insaan nahi.n, yaa maan ja tu bhagwaan nahi.n"
I am not sure on this, but I think Rafi says
"Kahne(2) ko woh haseen(1) the aankhen thi bewafa", but ofcourse "Kahne" maybe
be fit in easier into the general flow of the song so this mayn't be a valid
defence of (2) at all.
Also in
"Kehdo koi na kare yehaan pyaar, yahan kushian hai kam",
it is almost certainly "kehdo".
About (3) it "may" have been sung in a village setting, where especially
all "sh" merge into "sa".
About (1) if you see it is "Ek haseen nigah", which can be musically
enhanced with the sandhi "haseen + nigah = hasinigaah".
-Vijay
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>> My "rosogolla" reference was to the fact that (and
>>you can try it) that if you put a round object in your mouth and try
>>to speak Hindi you will invariably get Bangla.
>
Aurfat Paika
geT A LIFE, LOOSER
krnan...@uncc.campus.mci.net
Madanmohan,SDB, and started way back from Anil Bishwas, So all this Kids
are, You know got to learn a lot from me. But U know, this new
generation, They all know nothing and talks a lot about music. Its good
for them that I am keeping myself quiet, else... You know what..;-)
well, whatever you or I going to say about it! Kutte ki dum tedi so
tedi. KS will keep on singing until his destiny will let him to do so.
You keep saying that he is the BEST and let me say that HE IS ALL TIME
WORST. OK!
Anyway thanks for the comments, I really liked it.
cheers,
krn