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Moving Images
A critic's list of the top twenty films of indian cinema

FIROZE RANGOONWALLA

1. The Apu Trilogy, Satyajit Ray, Bengali, 1955-1959
A masterly evocation of life and survival in India seen through the eyes
of Apu as he grows from child to man to father. Pointillist in
precision, lyrical in presentation, universal in theme.

2. Charulata, Satyajit Ray, Bengali, 1964
The film Ray called his most perfect. Never has a woman been filmed with
such sensitivity in Indian cinema as Madhabi Mukherjee in this epic
tragedy adapted from a Tagore novella on violation of trust in marriage.


3. Teen Kanya, Satyajit Ray, Bengali, 1964
Three gems of Tagore converted into vibrant cinema. ‘Postmaster’ is a
poignant study of the relationship between a postmaster and an
unlettered little girl. ‘Monihara’ an intriguing ghost story about a
spoilt wife’s obsession for jewels; and ‘Samaapti’ the tale of the
transformation of a tomboy to woman.

4. Duniya Na Mane, V. Shantaram, Hindi/Marathi, 1937
The "unexpected" revolt of a determined young girl against her
fraudulent marriage with an old man. A cinematic tour de force.

5. Kismet, Gyan Mukerji, Hindi, 1948
The longest runner in Indian cinema history is a nonpareil entertainer
that combines the lost-and-found theme with the story of a crook’s
redemption through his love for a lame dancer.

6. Do bigha zameen Bimal Roy, Hindi, 1953
Heart-rending saga of a peasant struggling to save his piece of land.
The race between a hand-pulled rickshaw and a horse carriage remains one
of the classic sequences of Indian cinema.

7. Udayer Pathey Humrahi, Bimal Roy, Bengali/Hindi, 1944/45
Poor boy meets rich girl. And triggers off a far-ranging battle of
ideologies. Witty and inspiring encounter across the great income
divide. Catchy dialogue, heady ideals.

8. Chandralekha, S.S. Vasan, Hindi, 1948
Spectacular Indian costume drama about evil royalty and its overthrow.
Grand escapism with suspense, thrills, dances, action, the works.

9. Parineeta, Bimal Roy, Hindi. 1953
Endearingly Indian domestic and class-struggle ethos in a superb
adaptation of Sarat Chandra Chatterji’s tale of love and sacrifice.

10. Andaaz, Mehboob Khan, Hindi,1949
Tragic romance played with new-generation stars Nargis, Dilip Kumar, Raj
Kapoor centering on the vital theme of liberal westernism vs Indian
traditions.

11. Awaara, Raj Kapoor, Hindi, 1956
Grandly-treated show of crime vs social uplift, through the leftist
theme of environment shaping a man and not birth. Superbly meaningful
entertainment for the post-independence audience.

12. Jagte raho, Raj Kapoor, Hindi, 1956
Off-beat portrayal of an honest rustic accidentally uncovering, through
the course of a single night, the social evils that fester under the
surface of genteel life in a big-city colony.

13. Mother India, Mehboob Khan, Hindi, 1957
The epic of epics: the saga of a peasant woman’s survival and devotion
to ideals, a celebration of human grit and dignity in the face of
seemingly insurmountable odds.

14. Navrang, V. Shantaram,HindI, 1959
A creative artist’s search for libidinal beauty in an orthodox set-up,
with splendid use of colours and dances.

15. Pyaasa,Guru Dutt,Hindi, 1957
Brooding and stylish exploration of a poet’s quest for recognition, love
and revolt without protest in a materialistic world. The classic Indian
film on the outsider theme.

16. Padosan, Jyoti Swaroop for Mehmood, Hindi, 1968
Country bumpkin outwits jealous and cranky music teacher to woo
beautiful urbanised neighbour, with the help of a hilarious band of
amateur musicians. Ridiculous, uproarious, sublime.

17. Ankur,Shyam Benegal, Hindi, 1974
First of the Hindi new-wave hits, with an unusual rural backdrop and
lingo, fresh faces, studio-less shooting, on the theme of landlordist
exploitation of a labourer woman and her physically handicapped
husband.

18. Swayamvaram,Adoor Gopalakrishnan, Malayalam, 1975
This multiple award-winner was a grim realistic saga of a couple’s
struggle to live life on their own terms.

19. Guide,Vijay Anand, Hindi,1965
Image-breaking R.K. Narayan novel of illicit love, treachery and
enforced sainthood, adapted into a lavish yet sensitive film spanning
the entire range of human emotions. Superb songs, exquisite dances.

20. Satyakam,Hrishikesh Mukherjee, Hindi, 1969
A gripping dramatic narration of one man’s combat against the cancer of
corruption and exploitation in civic administration. Predictive of the
politician-criminal nexus.

The last of film historian Firoze Rangoonwalla's
15 books on cinema was Cinema Mystique India.

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"Cricketislife!" <cricketislif...@web2news.net> wrote in message news:<4121...@web2news.com>...

> I havent seen too many of these movies. I should hit a proper neighbour
> hood video shop and hire out.
> ---------
>
> http://outlookindia.com/full.asp?sid=1&fname=rangoon&fodname=19991115
>
> Moving Images
> A critic's list of the top twenty films of indian cinema
>
> FIROZE RANGOONWALLA
>
>
>
> 1. The Apu Trilogy, Satyajit Ray, Bengali, 1955-1959
> A masterly evocation of life and survival in India seen through the eyes
> of Apu as he grows from child to man to father. Pointillist in
> precision, lyrical in presentation, universal in theme.
>
> 2. Charulata, Satyajit Ray, Bengali, 1964
> The film Ray called his most perfect. Never has a woman been filmed with
> such sensitivity in Indian cinema as Madhabi Mukherjee in this epic
> tragedy adapted from a Tagore novella on violation of trust in marriage.
>
>
> 3. Teen Kanya, Satyajit Ray, Bengali, 1964
> Three gems of Tagore converted into vibrant cinema. ?Postmaster? is a

> poignant study of the relationship between a postmaster and an
> unlettered little girl. ?Monihara? an intriguing ghost story about a
> spoilt wife?s obsession for jewels; and ?Samaapti? the tale of the

> transformation of a tomboy to woman.
>
> 4. Duniya Na Mane, V. Shantaram, Hindi/Marathi, 1937
> The "unexpected" revolt of a determined young girl against her
> fraudulent marriage with an old man. A cinematic tour de force.
>
> 5. Kismet, Gyan Mukerji, Hindi, 1948
> The longest runner in Indian cinema history is a nonpareil entertainer
> that combines the lost-and-found theme with the story of a crook?s

> redemption through his love for a lame dancer.
>
> 6. Do bigha zameen Bimal Roy, Hindi, 1953
> Heart-rending saga of a peasant struggling to save his piece of land.
> The race between a hand-pulled rickshaw and a horse carriage remains one
> of the classic sequences of Indian cinema.
>
> 7. Udayer Pathey Humrahi, Bimal Roy, Bengali/Hindi, 1944/45
> Poor boy meets rich girl. And triggers off a far-ranging battle of
> ideologies. Witty and inspiring encounter across the great income
> divide. Catchy dialogue, heady ideals.
>
> 8. Chandralekha, S.S. Vasan, Hindi, 1948
> Spectacular Indian costume drama about evil royalty and its overthrow.
> Grand escapism with suspense, thrills, dances, action, the works.
>
> 9. Parineeta, Bimal Roy, Hindi. 1953
> Endearingly Indian domestic and class-struggle ethos in a superb
> adaptation of Sarat Chandra Chatterji?s tale of love and sacrifice.
>
> 10. Andaaz, Mehboob Khan, Hindi,1949
> Tragic romance played with new-generation stars Nargis, Dilip Kumar, Raj
> Kapoor centering on the vital theme of liberal westernism vs Indian
> traditions.
>
> 11. Awaara, Raj Kapoor, Hindi, 1956
> Grandly-treated show of crime vs social uplift, through the leftist
> theme of environment shaping a man and not birth. Superbly meaningful
> entertainment for the post-independence audience.
>
> 12. Jagte raho, Raj Kapoor, Hindi, 1956
> Off-beat portrayal of an honest rustic accidentally uncovering, through
> the course of a single night, the social evils that fester under the
> surface of genteel life in a big-city colony.
>
> 13. Mother India, Mehboob Khan, Hindi, 1957
> The epic of epics: the saga of a peasant woman?s survival and devotion

> to ideals, a celebration of human grit and dignity in the face of
> seemingly insurmountable odds.
>
> 14. Navrang, V. Shantaram,HindI, 1959
> A creative artist?s search for libidinal beauty in an orthodox set-up,

> with splendid use of colours and dances.
>
> 15. Pyaasa,Guru Dutt,Hindi, 1957
> Brooding and stylish exploration of a poet?s quest for recognition, love

> and revolt without protest in a materialistic world. The classic Indian
> film on the outsider theme.

OK up to here. A little pretentious but most of these films have some
justification for being on a critics top twenty list.


>
> 16. Padosan, Jyoti Swaroop for Mehmood, Hindi, 1968
> Country bumpkin outwits jealous and cranky music teacher to woo
> beautiful urbanised neighbour, with the help of a hilarious band of
> amateur musicians. Ridiculous, uproarious, sublime.

WTF.... where did this come from? Suddenly we have a totally
commercial comedy. It's a good comedy, but there's no way I'd put it
in the top twenty. Furthermore, I'd consider this movie pretty
offensive if I were a South Indian.

>
> 17. Ankur,Shyam Benegal, Hindi, 1974
> First of the Hindi new-wave hits, with an unusual rural backdrop and
> lingo, fresh faces, studio-less shooting, on the theme of landlordist
> exploitation of a labourer woman and her physically handicapped
> husband.
>
> 18. Swayamvaram,Adoor Gopalakrishnan, Malayalam, 1975

> This multiple award-winner was a grim realistic saga of a couple?s


> struggle to live life on their own terms.
>
> 19. Guide,Vijay Anand, Hindi,1965
> Image-breaking R.K. Narayan novel of illicit love, treachery and
> enforced sainthood, adapted into a lavish yet sensitive film spanning
> the entire range of human emotions. Superb songs, exquisite dances.
>
> 20. Satyakam,Hrishikesh Mukherjee, Hindi, 1969

> A gripping dramatic narration of one man?s combat against the cancer of


> corruption and exploitation in civic administration. Predictive of the
> politician-criminal nexus.

OK, now we're back to normal. I think the list is a little heavy on
Satyajit Ray and Bimal Roy. The newest movie is about 25 yrs old,
c'mon. I'd make room for some newer films.

JR

yeskay

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JR wrote:
>
> > 16. Padosan, Jyoti Swaroop for Mehmood, Hindi, 1968
> > Country bumpkin outwits jealous and cranky music teacher to woo
> > beautiful urbanised neighbour, with the help of a hilarious band of
> > amateur musicians. Ridiculous, uproarious, sublime.
>
> WTF.... where did this come from? Suddenly we have a totally
> commercial comedy. It's a good comedy, but there's no way I'd put it
> in the top twenty. Furthermore, I'd consider this movie pretty
> offensive if I were a South Indian.

So much that it was banned in Madras when it was released, besides Mehmood is
pretty irritating too.

Cricketislife!

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Jun 18, 2003, 12:42:59 PM6/18/03
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JR wrote:

> WTF.... where did this come from? Suddenly we have a totally
> commercial comedy. It's a good comedy, but there's no way I'd put it
> in the top twenty. Furthermore, I'd consider this movie pretty
> offensive if I were a South Indian.

Why? its all for fun. I am a south Indian. btw then there are so many
sardarji fun movies that go around like in hera pheri - Om puri'
character. It was enjoyable.
anyway I am trying desparetly to see all the other good movies listed
here and also by TGV, but videos are very hard to find. The video shops
that I have looked in dont have much.
I havent seen many of the real critic' rated good movies that TGV lists
or this fellow. I hope I find some video shop soon.

Cricketislife!
Mithun is doing his disco nariyal wala dance now. Agneepath is on and so
far good fun already!

>
>> 17. Ankur,Shyam Benegal, Hindi, 1974
>> First of the Hindi new-wave hits, with an unusual rural backdrop and
>> lingo, fresh faces, studio-less shooting, on the theme of
>> landlordist
>> exploitation of a labourer woman and her physically handicapped
>> husband.
>>
>> 18. Swayamvaram,Adoor Gopalakrishnan, Malayalam, 1975
>> This multiple award-winner was a grim realistic saga of a couple?s

> etc..


>
> OK, now we're back to normal. I think the list is a little heavy on
> Satyajit Ray and Bimal Roy. The newest movie is about 25 yrs old,
> c'mon. I'd make room for some newer films.
>
> JR
>
>> The last of film historian Firoze Rangoonwalla's
>> 15 books on cinema was Cinema Mystique India.

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Jun 18, 2003, 1:37:44 PM6/18/03
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rkusenet wrote:
> Personally I never felt even for a second that it was offensive.

It wasn't, but it was boring & irritating.

> I think in a multicultural country like india, it is all OK, provided
> the limit is not crossed. Like that movie Kuch Kuch Hota Hai in which
> Sikhs had genuine reason to feel offended.

What happens in KKHH ?


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Ritu

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jro...@hotmail.com (JR) wrote in message news:<93cbe3d1.0306...@posting.google.com>...

> > 16. Padosan, Jyoti Swaroop for Mehmood, Hindi, 1968
> > Country bumpkin outwits jealous and cranky music teacher to woo
> > beautiful urbanised neighbour, with the help of a hilarious band of
> > amateur musicians. Ridiculous, uproarious, sublime.
>
> WTF.... where did this come from? Suddenly we have a totally
> commercial comedy. It's a good comedy, but there's no way I'd put it
> in the top twenty. Furthermore, I'd consider this movie pretty
> offensive if I were a South Indian

I agree. Padosan is a whacky film but not a top twenty material by any
far stretch of imagination and yes parochial too. If one had to choose
a comedy I would choose some Hrishikesh Mukherjee film (Golmal?) or
even the cliched 'Jaane bhi do yaaron' over Padosan.


> >
> > 20. Satyakam,Hrishikesh Mukherjee, Hindi, 1969
> > A gripping dramatic narration of one man?s combat against the cancer of
> > corruption and exploitation in civic administration. Predictive of the
> > politician-criminal nexus.
>
> OK, now we're back to normal. I think the list is a little heavy on
> Satyajit Ray and Bimal Roy. The newest movie is about 25 yrs old,
> c'mon. I'd make room for some newer films.

I agree on the overdose of Bimal Roy (though I am a huge Bimal Roy
fan). Also I did not understand the inclusion of 'Parineeta' over a
'Sujata' or 'Bandini' (Bimal Roy's crowning glory). Ofcourse I agree
that Bimal Roy deserves two entries in the list. 3 becomes a little
heavy. I think they should have included a couple of thrillers. And
yes.. they could have found something from the recent past.

Regards,
Ritu

Raghu Jetley

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Jun 19, 2003, 12:37:14 AM6/19/03
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Ritu wrote:
> even the cliched 'Jaane bhi do yaaron' over Padosan.

Why do you call 'Jaane bhi do yaaron' cliched ?
Just asking.

Karen Lofstrom

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Jun 19, 2003, 3:32:42 AM6/19/03
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Various folks wrote:

>> I think in a multicultural country like india, it is all OK, provided
>> the limit is not crossed. Like that movie Kuch Kuch Hota Hai in which
>> Sikhs had genuine reason to feel offended.

> What happens in KKHH ?

Perhaps it's the same thing that had me ranting and raving here in RAMLI.
A devout older lady -- very charming -- moves into a secular music camp,
sets up a puja room, and soon has all the kids, including the little Sikh
boy, singing bhajans.

As a Buddhist in the US, I'm a religious minority and I really don't like
it when people assume that I'm willing to engage in Christian devotions.
So it hurt me when I saw that little boy enticed into doing something that
would perhaps hurt his parents' feelings.

If it's something else, please do explain.

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Oh what a cute wee thing!

Kamesh

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"Raghu Jetley" <jraghu...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Jaane Bhi Do Yaaron is clearly one of the best original comedy in
Bollywood....Padosan doesnt even come close....Golmaal is in the same league
as JBDY.

kamesh


JR

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Jun 19, 2003, 10:18:56 AM6/19/03
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lofs...@lava.net (Karen Lofstrom) wrote in message news:<vf2poqg...@corp.supernews.com>...

> Various folks wrote:
>
> >> I think in a multicultural country like india, it is all OK, provided
> >> the limit is not crossed. Like that movie Kuch Kuch Hota Hai in which
> >> Sikhs had genuine reason to feel offended.
>
> > What happens in KKHH ?
>
> Perhaps it's the same thing that had me ranting and raving here in RAMLI.
> A devout older lady -- very charming -- moves into a secular music camp,
> sets up a puja room, and soon has all the kids, including the little Sikh
> boy, singing bhajans.
>
> As a Buddhist in the US, I'm a religious minority and I really don't like
> it when people assume that I'm willing to engage in Christian devotions.
> So it hurt me when I saw that little boy enticed into doing something that
> would perhaps hurt his parents' feelings.

No, that wouldn't be considered offensive in India. FWIW, Mahatma
Gandhi used to start most of his public meetings with the Bhajan
"Raghu Pati Raghav...." yet most people consider him the epitome of
religious tolerance. In India secularism is defined as being
"consideration for/closeness to ALL religions" as opposed to the
Western definition "indifference to/exclusion of religion".

>
> If it's something else, please do explain.

See RK's post.


JR

JR

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Jun 19, 2003, 10:34:16 AM6/19/03
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"Cricketislife!" <cricketislif...@web2news.net> wrote in message news:<4167...@web2news.com>...

> JR wrote:
>
> > WTF.... where did this come from? Suddenly we have a totally
> > commercial comedy. It's a good comedy, but there's no way I'd put it
> > in the top twenty. Furthermore, I'd consider this movie pretty
> > offensive if I were a South Indian.
>
> Why? its all for fun. I am a south Indian. btw then there are so many
> sardarji fun movies that go around like in hera pheri - Om puri'
> character. It was enjoyable.

I won't argue. If the targeted group doesn't find it offensive, I have
no problem.


> anyway I am trying desparetly to see all the other good movies listed
> here and also by TGV, but videos are very hard to find. The video shops
> that I have looked in dont have much.
> I havent seen many of the real critic' rated good movies that TGV lists
> or this fellow. I hope I find some video shop soon.

You should be able to get most of them from Indiaweekly.com. They do
rent the DVD's (for people in the US); so it's a good place even if
you're not interested in buying.

JR

JR

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"rkusenet" <rkus...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<bcq5c2$m1g1b$1...@ID-75254.news.dfncis.de>...
> "yeskay" <yes...@nowhere.com> wrote in message news:3EF09450...@nowhere.com...
> was it banned???

I thought there was a lot of controversy about it. Didn't realize that
it had been banned.

>
> Kamalhassan said about this movie "I was in my teens when Padosan
> was recvd. We all went to see this movie bcos of the compliant that the movie
> is offensive to south indians. We saw and came back thoroughly enjoying the
> movie. The idea of protesting against the movie simple died".


>
> Personally I never felt even for a second that it was offensive.
>

> I am curious whether tamils showed any consideration towards sardarjis
> in that movie Mouna Raagam. The sikh in that movie was shown as a fool
> who is taken for a ride by Revathy. I saw that movie in Chennai and
> everyone was laughing. Of course at the end of the movie that sikh was
> shown as a gem of a person and Revathy apologises to him for the prank.


>
> I think in a multicultural country like india, it is all OK, provided
> the limit is not crossed. Like that movie Kuch Kuch Hota Hai in which
> Sikhs had genuine reason to feel offended.

I agree for most part, though it would be better if they pick on more
groups rather than the usual ones.


JR

Cricketislife!

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Jun 19, 2003, 10:54:34 AM6/19/03
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JR wrote:
> I won't argue. If the targeted group doesn't find it
> offensive, I have no problem.

Ofcourse, you must realise I dont represent the Target group. I am just
one of them, only a widespread polling of the group would result in any
meaningful verdict.


>>
> You should be able to get most of them from Indiaweekly.com. They do
> rent the DVD's (for people in the US); so it's a good place even if
> you're not interested in buying.


I live in Chennai, India and hence that link wont be helpful to me. I
need to find some good video shops...

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Ritu

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"Raghu Jetley" <jraghu...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<bcreor$m50a8$1...@ID-27262.news.dfncis.de>...

Cliched vis-a-vis selection in all time great lists (and our
discussions here). There are some films that land up with such
regularity that it's almost a cliche. Pather Panchali is another one.

Ofcourse the film by itself is far from cliched. It's a cult film (for
our generation atleast). Should have been included. I feel Firoz
Rangoonwala's list tilts very heavily in favour of the Bengal school
(which again I too
tilt towards). It's not very representative of the other schools of
film-making. Hrishikesh Mukherjee for one. Then you have the modern
day film-makers like RGV who also deserve a mention. But by and large
if I had to make a list of the top 25 I would also choose 70% films
from the 1940-1970.

Cheers
Ritu

yeskay

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rkusenet wrote:
>
> 1. South Indians, specially tamils:
> Stereo Type: They will speak atrocious hindi.
> Everyone will be wearing a big vibuthi on the forehead.
> Will be shown as coward.

Atleast once in every dialogue they mouth they say:
- idli vada dosa sambar
- aiyiyo / yo poya

Company and to some extent LKLKBKK showed for the first time south indians
like how they really are.

> 3. Bongs:
> Stereo Type: Mostly same as south indians.

They will have mouth full of paan. Wear dhothis colored red here and there
because of the paan.

>
> 4. Parsis:
> Stereo Type: Speak hindi with gujju accent.
> Hen pecked.
>
> 5. Marwaris:
> Stereo Type: Very stingy with money.
> Of late Sindhis are also getting into this stereo type. Just add
> jhulelal here and there.

Goans:

are shown as fishermen wearing langot-like lungis.
drunk and dance in a very similar way.

Raghu Jetley

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Jun 19, 2003, 1:01:57 PM6/19/03
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When my wife visited India last time, one day she went from Dadar to Mahim.
Started with Siddhivinayak (Hindu) temple in Prabhadevi. From there went to
Maqbool Shah ka Darga (Muslim) in Mahim & from there to the Mount Mary
Church in Mahim - all in the space of 3 hours or so.

However, this isn't universal even in India. A lot of Hindus will not enter
a
Muslim temple & vice versa. Many Christians in India (Protestants mostly)
will
never touch prasad from a Hindu Temple - their preists have told them that
they
will go to hell if they eat Hindu prasad.


Raghu Jetley

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Jun 19, 2003, 1:05:18 PM6/19/03
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I find all of Golmal, Choti Si Baat, Deewana Mastana & LKLKBK as
better than JBDY - of course this is just my personal opinion.
And I like JBDY.


JR

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"Raghu Jetley" <jraghu...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<bcsqa5$mmm41$1...@ID-27262.news.dfncis.de>...

You're right in that it's far from universal. I'm not a particularly
religious person and neither is anyone else in my family but almost
everyone in my family has been to Haji Ali, Mahalaxmi Temple and Mount
Mary at one time or another.

>Many Christians in India (Protestants mostly)
> will
> never touch prasad from a Hindu Temple - their preists have told them that
> they
> will go to hell if they eat Hindu prasad.

As you've alluded to, I've observed that it's more common to find
Hindus/Sikhs/Jains going to a Dargah or Church than the other way
around. However, you won't find many, if any, non-muslims going to a
Masjid.

JR

Sydney Assbasket

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>> 3. Teen Kanya, Satyajit Ray, Bengali, 1964
>> Three gems of Tagore converted into vibrant cinema. ?Postmaster? is a
>> poignant study of the relationship between a postmaster and an
>> unlettered little girl. ?Monihara? an intriguing ghost story about a
>> spoilt wife?s obsession for jewels; and ?Samaapti? the tale of the
>> transformation of a tomboy to woman.

Too bad Monihara was cut from release in the US because of length. Even the
Columbia Tristar tape only has Postmaster and Samapti.

>> 16. Padosan, Jyoti Swaroop for Mehmood, Hindi, 1968
>> Country bumpkin outwits jealous and cranky music teacher to woo
>> beautiful urbanised neighbour, with the help of a hilarious band of
>> amateur musicians. Ridiculous, uproarious, sublime.
>
>WTF.... where did this come from? Suddenly we have a totally
>commercial comedy. It's a good comedy, but there's no way I'd put it
>in the top twenty. Furthermore, I'd consider this movie pretty
>offensive if I were a South Indian.

Depends on the person. My dad likes this film.


I have six locks on my door all in a row. When I go out, I lock every
other one. I figure no matter how long somebody stands there picking
the locks, they are always locking three.
- Elayne Boosler

Remove "bination" to reply.

Shishir Yerramilli

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Jun 26, 2003, 11:30:42 AM6/26/03
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yeskay <yes...@nowhere.com> wrote in message news:<3EF1DA37...@nowhere.com>...

> rkusenet wrote:
> >
> > 1. South Indians, specially tamils:
> > Stereo Type: They will speak atrocious hindi.
> > Everyone will be wearing a big vibuthi on the forehead.
> > Will be shown as coward.

There is a very odd dichotomy actually when it comes to portrayal
of South Indians in Hindi movies.They are either timid nerds or
hardass gangsters.Eg of gangsters..Ardh Satya,Dayavan(based on
Nayagan) and others dont come to mind at the moment.Mithun
Chakraborty's South Indian character in Agneepath was a nerd and a
gangster!!

>
> Atleast once in every dialogue they mouth they say:
> - idli vada dosa sambar
> - aiyiyo / yo poya
>
> Company and to some extent LKLKBKK showed for the first time south indians
> like how they really are.

Perhaps because they were directed by South Indians!


>
> > 3. Bongs:
> > Stereo Type: Mostly same as south indians.
>
> They will have mouth full of paan. Wear dhothis colored red here and there
> because of the paan.

Haha!They also have atrocious Hindi accents like South Indians.


>
> >
> > 4. Parsis:
> > Stereo Type: Speak hindi with gujju accent.
> > Hen pecked.
> >
> > 5. Marwaris:
> > Stereo Type: Very stingy with money.
> > Of late Sindhis are also getting into this stereo type. Just add
> > jhulelal here and there.

Or a 'sayeen' and have scenes where they eat pappad.


>
> Goans:
>
> are shown as fishermen wearing langot-like lungis.
> drunk and dance in a very similar way.

Some wear langot ,others wear a suit but they are drunk anyway.

Also Marathis are either aayas or chawl dwellers.Also lately they
have been portrayed as Hindu fundamentalists.For gods sake ,Bombay is
in their friggin state!Show some respect to the host community!

Biharis perhaps get the lousiest deal.Their state is portrayed as
corrupt and chaotic beyond control with trigger happy politicians
named Bhavani Chaudhary or Durga Yadav indulging in indiscriminate
slaughter with glee.

Aditya Basrur

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Jun 26, 2003, 5:30:26 PM6/26/03
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Shishir Yerramilli wrote:
<snip>

> Biharis perhaps get the lousiest deal.Their state is portrayed as
> corrupt and chaotic beyond control with trigger happy politicians
> named Bhavani Chaudhary or Durga Yadav indulging in indiscriminate
> slaughter with glee.

I saw a good example of this in "Nayak". Everyone kept saying that
Amrish Puri's character had been acting very strange since coming back
from Bihar. Obviously a reference to Laloo Prasad Yadav and his antics.
I've seen similar references in other movies.

Aditya [Is Ranchi in Bihar, BTW?] Basrur

Shishir Yerramilli

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"Aditya Basrur" <aditya.ne...@web2news.net> wrote in message news:<4499...@web2news.com>...

> Shishir Yerramilli wrote:
> <snip>
> > Biharis perhaps get the lousiest deal.Their state is portrayed as
> > corrupt and chaotic beyond control with trigger happy politicians
> > named Bhavani Chaudhary or Durga Yadav indulging in indiscriminate
> > slaughter with glee.
>
> I saw a good example of this in "Nayak". Everyone kept saying that
> Amrish Puri's character had been acting very strange since coming back
> from Bihar. Obviously a reference to Laloo Prasad Yadav and his antics.
> I've seen similar references in other movies.
>
> Aditya [Is Ranchi in Bihar, BTW?] Basrur

It used to be.My sister studied in BIT Mesra,which is very close to
Ranchi.I beleive that Ranchi is now part of the state of Jharkand
which seceeded from Bihar.

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