Amitab vs Kamal Hassan
Nitin Padmanabhan
you rate AB and KH. I think AB is a very mediorce actor and Kamal is
the best.
Nitin.
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Kamal otoh is always experimenting. Amitabh has not done justice to his
talent and ability because he doesnt experiment, a similar case being
Rajnikanth. However your post will be very useful for SHridhar to start his
south bashing yet again.
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Has any one heard @ a A Purnachandra Rao's
(Made in Madras) film called 'Khabardaar' !!
It had Amitabh and Kamal locking horns !
Also had Jayaprada and Sridevi.
This film never saw light of the day
and was 95% complete. Was many times better
than 'giraftaar'(kamal-amit-rajani)
This cinema dealt with taboo topic of
'Mercy killing'/right to die !
and at that time the excuse given for dumping this film
to garbage was Amitabh was sitting MP !
How can he advocate and execute Mercy killing of
his friend kamal in the film !!
Unofficial news was Kamal was one up Amitabh
in acting dept !!
I am stating this despite being Bachhan fan and
think Kamal these days is nothing but gimmick
lost is kamal hasan - the actor.
Enjoy !!
Anand Tiwari
>
>Here is more masala to this !
>Has any one heard @ a A Purnachandra Rao's
>(Made in Madras) film called 'Khabardaar' !!
>It had Amitabh and Kamal locking horns !
>Also had Jayaprada and Sridevi.
>This film never saw light of the day
>and was 95% complete. Was many times better
>than 'giraftaar'(kamal-amit-rajani)
>
>This cinema dealt with taboo topic of
>'Mercy killing'/right to die !
>and at that time the excuse given for dumping this film
>to garbage was Amitabh was sitting MP !
>How can he advocate and execute Mercy killing of
>his friend kamal in the film !!
>
You are right about this film. It was scrapped at what i read was 'the 80%
point'. Amitabh, however honoured his commitment to PurnaChandra Rao and after
the scrapping of this movie, they launched "Aakhree Raasta" with director
K. Bhagyaraj. 'Aakhree Raasta' was released in 1986, had Amitabh in a double
role with both Sridevi and JayaPrada. It was the last undisputed and bonafide
hit of Amitabh Bachchan in his superstar avataar. 1987 had no Amitabh releases
and what happened when 'Shahenshah' released on 12th Feb 1988 is known to
all. Can you please tell us if the director for 'Khabardaar' was Bhagyaraj or
somebdoy else? Thanks for the info.
Anand
PS: Aakhree Raasta did have a good performance by Amitabh. He was able to
at least bring out a contrast between the 2 roles (a minimum requirement
for a double role film) unlike the much overrated hero(es) of today, who
rely on special effects to bring out the contrast in the 2 characters they
potray on screen.
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>
>Apples and oranges really, Amitabh rarely acts in different kind of roles.
>Kamal otoh is always experimenting. Amitabh has not done justice to his
>talent and ability because he doesnt experiment, a similar case being
>Rajnikanth. However your post will be very useful for SHridhar to start his
>south bashing yet again.
>
>jagadish
Although i agree that Amitabh didn't experiment much and became a victim of the
demands of the masses in th 80s , bringing Rajni's name into the picture is an
insult to Amitabh as far as acting is concerned :). I mean Rajni is nowhere
even remotely comparable to either Amitabh or Kamal in terms of acting.
Amit acted in different kinds of roles early in his careers which were even hits
like Abhimaan, Anand, Namak Haram etc. Also, though they were artistically
lacking, the entertainers which Amitabh acted in later in the late 70s and early
80s justified his all round talent in acting, especially comedy.
Amitabh did try to act in a few artistic films even in the late70s/early 80s
like Alaap but they flopped badly and hence he played it safe.
I also agree that comparing Kamal and Amit is comparing two different types of
actors; Kamal relies on weird/distorted/handicapped/not normal/disguised
characters to show his talent in acting(especially lately after '87) whereas
Amit was basically himself in all his roles. This is not to play Kamal down who
i thought was very good in many comic roles right from "Kalyana Raman" but again
Kalyana Raman had a buck tooth. So i hope you get what i am talking. Also, Kamal
almost stopped acting in masala entertainers around the mid 80s/after
Nayagan('87); Amitabh should have done the same after Shahenshah.
Nevertheless, both are superb examples of legendary actors as far as good
commercial cinema in India is concerned.
Shridhar < who thinks that as far as getting into the skin of the character is
concerned, Mohanlal beats everyone by a mile >
RaviKrishna
>PS: Aakhree Raasta did have a good performance by Amitabh. He was able to
>at least bring out a contrast between the 2 roles (a minimum requirement
>for a double role film) unlike the much overrated hero(es) of today, who
>rely on special effects to bring out the contrast in the 2 characters they
>potray on screen.
Aakhree Raasta is a remake of "oru kaidian diary" (1984) starring Kamal and
Revathi. Without any hesitation (this at the risk of irritating Kamal fans)
I can say that AB's acting was better than Kamal's.
There was no competition for the role of son (Police Officer). AB was clearly
better than KH. IMO the role of father's role was also played better by AB.
KH had his usual overacting, which AB avoided. The last scene where the son
AB kills his dad and shows his frustration on being unable to do anything to
Sadashiv Amrapurkar, was very well acted by AB.
Ravi Krishna
PS: Anand, I don't think AR was a hit. The film was at best a commision earner.
No way it was as big a hit as AB's earlier movies were.
RaviKrishna
>Although i agree that Amitabh didn't experiment much and became a victim of the
>demands of the masses in th 80s ,
And precisely this is the reason why I consider AB bit overrated. I mean he
can't be called a legend when he simply refused to experiment in the later
part of his years and did the same part in different movies .
In late 1994, Doordarshan started showing late night Friday movies, specifically
to counter Z TV's popularity. Since ABCL had the rights, every other movie was
a AB movie. I was in India at that time and got a chance to see all AB movies
which I once enjoyed. To my surprise I found almost all his movies boring. Even
Muquadar Ka Sikandar and Don were pretty boring. I concluded that I have
outgrown AB's movies.
Kamalhassan OTOH stopped being an actor somewhere around late 80s. Instead he
opted to become a gimmick. When was the last time he acted in a simple role,
without any physical deformity or something unusual about his character. Think,
think. The few times he did in recent times, he came a cropper. Like his role
in Kurudipunal. IMO he was just not effective as Om Puri in Drohkal. He is
definitely an overrated actor. Guna is a perfect eg of gross overacting.
>Shridhar < who thinks that as far as getting into the skin of the character is
>concerned, Mohanlal beats everyone by a mile >
Biased towards Mallu, eh ? :-)
Mamooty is no less. See his tamil movie Azhagan. Kamal would have murdered that
role with his needless overacting. I specially can't stand his highly put on
English accent. He is a big show off.
When it comes to natural acting effortlessly I would rate following actors:-
Balraj Sahni
Ashok Kumar
Sanjeev Kumar
Mamooty
Mohan Lal
Om Puri
Pankaj Kapur
Plus some more.
Ravi Krishna.
Pallab B. Bhattacharyya
>In article <6pacsp$n...@pdrn.zippo.com>, anand...@hotmail.com says...
>AB kills his dad and shows his frustration on being unable to do anything to
>Sadashiv Amrapurkar, was very well acted by AB.
Precisely. Actually I would go a little further and will say AB was excellent
in portraying the NECESSARY emotion. I also thought that this was one of
the better endings of "commercial" Hindi movies as the son never did join
force with his father.
...Pallab
Shridhar
>>K. Bhagyaraj. 'Aakhree Raasta' was released in 1986, had Amitabh in a double
>>role with both Sridevi and JayaPrada. It was the last undisputed and bonafide
>>hit of Amitabh Bachchan in his superstar avataar. 1987 had no Amitabh releases
>>and what happened when 'Shahenshah' released on 12th Feb 1988 is known to
>>all.
>
>
>--
>Neha Desai
>
Agneepath was initially released with the dubbed voice of Amitabh. It performed
dismally at the Box Office well short of expectations as it was a heavily hyped
movie. Then it was re released with Amit's original voice and with this change,
it performed well enough and became a Hit.
Shridhar
ps: Amitabh has had quiet a number of hits like "Aaj ka Arjun", "Hum", "KG"
after the "Toofan" "Jadugar" fiascocontrary to people generally beleiving that
he didn't do too well after these films failed heavily at the BO. Even
Shahenshah was a hit. Only thing is they weren't huge hits as his other earlier
movies except maybe say "AAA".
Shridhar
>>Shridhar < who thinks that as far as getting into the skin of the character is
>>concerned, Mohanlal beats everyone by a mile >
>
>Biased towards Mallu, eh ? :-)
>Mamooty is no less.
Not at all. During my undergraduate years, i had a bunch of friends from Madras
and we used to watch all kinds of movies and analyse them objectively.One of my
close friends was very good at movie knowledge in the sense of analysing its
aesthetics and the actors.At first, i couldn't agree with him that Mohanlal was
the best actor as far as character depiction is concerned but eventually i had
to accept it. See his "Bharatam" (National award winner for best actor) and you
will know what i mean.
Mamooty, IMO, is also a terrific actor but as far as versatility in roles is
concerned, Mohanlal beats him hands down.
BTW, why should i be biased towards Mallus ? I don't speak Malayalam which is
understandable though due to its closeness with Tamil. Any die hard movie critic
would agree that Malayalam movies are the best in India(atleast in the
Mamooty-Mohanlal period which sadly has passed its peak). Suresh Gopi, the new
superstar of Malayalam films, IMO, is crap compared to Mohanlal and Mammooty.
BTW, Azhagan reminds me of some very good performance by Madhoo(known as
Madhubala then in Tamil films). Sadly, she has charted her own downfall through
the junk movies signed with our own Bengali small town junk-movie superstar :)
namely Mithun Chakraborthy.
Shridhar
RaviKrishna
>Not at all. During my undergraduate years, i had a bunch of friends from Madras
>and we used to watch all kinds of movies and analyse them objectively.One of my
..
I have seen quite a few movies of Mohanlal and Mamooty and without doubt I
would rate Mamooty better. Mohanlal just lacks the screen presence which
Mamooty has. I admit that I have not seen Mohanlal's movies that much to
compare him with Mamooty.
>BTW, why should i be biased towards Mallus ? I don't speak Malayalam which is
>understandable though due to its closeness with Tamil. Any die hard movie
> critic would agree that Malayalam movies are the best in India.
..
Mallu movies when I use to see them in the period of late 80s and early 90s
were really good, perhaps the best in India.
Ravi Krishna.
sjag...@my-dejanews.com
> demands of the masses in th 80s , bringing Rajni's name into the picture is an
> insult to Amitabh as far as acting is concerned :). I mean Rajni is nowhere
> even remotely comparable to either Amitabh or Kamal in terms of acting.
Think not. Rajni definitely had the ability and showed it too. In his
pre/early 80s films, he played villainesque roles EXCELLENTLY. Of course the
charm of becoming a hero effectively put an end to any chances of being able
to display his acting ability.
jagadish-who'd rather have an actor try various roles in various disguises
than play a psycho role 3 films in a row *with tongue firmly in cheek*
sjag...@my-dejanews.com
> yeah, apples and oranges really!!
> Amitabh - A Super"Star"
> Kamal Hassan - A Super"Loser"
Three words - Mrityudaata, Major Saab
Now who's the loser ? :)
jagadish
Sridhar
>
> > demands of the masses in th 80s , bringing Rajni's name into the picture is an
> > insult to Amitabh as far as acting is concerned :). I mean Rajni is nowhere
> > even remotely comparable to either Amitabh or Kamal in terms of acting.
>
> Think not. Rajni definitely had the ability and showed it too. In his
> pre/early 80s films, he played villainesque roles EXCELLENTLY.
what was the movie in which kamal haasan is a ventriloquist ?
there's a song - "junior, junior". rajni was quite ok as the bad guy
in that. saw it quite a while ago - was still in my teens then,
but thought he was quite good as the loathsome bounder.
RaviKrishna
>what was the movie in which kamal haasan is a ventriloquist ?
>there's a song - "junior, junior". rajni was quite ok as the bad guy
>in that. saw it quite a while ago - was still in my teens then,
>but thought he was quite good as the loathsome bounder.
That movie was Avargal. One of the better movies by k Balachandran and good
music by MSV.
Ravi Krishna
Chirag Shah
> > yeah, apples and oranges really!!
> > Amitabh - A Super"Star"
> > Kamal Hassan - A Super"Loser"
>
> Three words - Mrityudaata, Major Saab
>
> Now who's the loser ? :)
Mrityudaata - Poor direction. Superb acting by Big B
Major Saab - Bad script. Perfect acting by Big B
Moral: Amitabh - still a "Super Star" and a "Badshah" of Bollywood
Too bad "he" is not in Hollywood, otherwise he would take over it
also.
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> Mrityudaata - Poor direction. Superb acting by Big B
> Major Saab - Bad script. Perfect acting by Big B
Stop giving this bullcrap, fact is he chose lousy movies for a comeback. he
could have literally picked his director and yet he faltered.
jagadish - an AB fan pre Mrityudata (I could even survive Toofan/Jaadugar
etc.)
Ikram Ahmed Khan
>And precisely this is the reason why I consider AB bit overrated. I mean he
>can't be called a legend when he simply refused to experiment in the later
>part of his years and did the same part in different movies .
and RaviK proceeded to write:
>When it comes to natural acting effortlessly I would rate following actors:-
>
> Balraj Sahni
> Ashok Kumar
> Sanjeev Kumar
{stuff snipped}
In the first quotation, I wish to ask what constitutes a 'legend'??
Is experimentation a necessary quality to look for while forming opinions
about 'legendworthy' actors? Consider also that Amitabh almost singlehandedly
*defined* what constitues an "angry young man". Since that time, nobody has
been able to play that role in Hindi Films without drawing instant
comparisons with Amitabh. There have been a few "angry young man" roles
before his time too, but the way that you instantly associate Amitabh with
such a role overshadows almost everybody else. As an example, if SunnyD is
rightfully praised for his roles railing against the "System", one only
has to go back to look at Amitabh's dialogues in Deewar (quoted by somebody
else previously on this thread) to see a definitive portrayal...
In your list of good actors, you put Ashok Kumar. He should be rightfully
applauded for his role in bringing "natural acting" for Hero-roles and being
one of the first. His claim to a "legendworthy" status in Hindi Films is
reserved on this alone... His long innings in Films only strengthens his
claim and is not reason enough to grant him the status that he has today.
After all, if longevity alone is chosen as a criterion, then you get a
fairly minor place among the Legends... How high would you put Om Prakash
of 'hey bhaagyawaan' fame?? His roles have been varied (hero's sidekick,
comedian, villain, murderer etc. not to mention the various "relative" roles,
like brother, brother-in-law, Dad, Grandad, Dad-in-law :) ...) enuff and
he does belong among the Greats, but *where* is his place among those
luminaries?? Not at the same level as AshokK surely.
Having said all this, let's return to the point - comparing Amitabh with
other actors. Could (say) a suitably young AshokK have portrayed him in Deewar
or Sholay or (to take your example) Muqaddar ka Sikander as effectively?
Note also, that the "experimentation" which you value so highly, comes into
play, because AshokK graduated from the Hero roles to more of a character
artiste. In Amitabh's case, that has not happened, mainly due to the strong
identification with the "angry young man" hero... Even now, when he's on the
wrong side of fifty, he's supposed to launch into fiery dialogue delivery
at the drop of a hat and people are disappointed when the focus is not on
Amitabh. In almost all his movies, he remains the primary focal point for the
story. In AshokK's case, he graduated from playing the Hero, to playing the
older hero (getting to marry the heroine, while younger hero pines away) with
the older hero straddling the fine line of being a romantic lead and being
a character artiste. As an example, take Bewafa (with Nargis and RajKaps)
where he is still somewhat of a romantic lead and then take Bahu Begum, where
he's almost a character artiste. He got to make this transition from the
romantic lead roles to the character artiste roles over quite a bit of time.
In Amitabh's case, that hasn't even started!! The only nice point that I
found in Mrityudaata was 'na na na na re' where the people still expect
Amitabh to dance around (btw, that song was horribly inserted into the
film... abso no situation for it :( ). Also, the few times that Amitabh has
tried to experiment recently, the people have rejected it... his Agneepath
voice was rejected, his somewhat "arty" role in 'Main Azaad Hoon' was also
rejected. The important point being that it was rejected, not because it
wasn't done well enough, but that the people have an image of Amitabh
(powerful voice, fiery dialogues, fights, etc. etc.) which they have still
not been able to divorce themselves from... even after Amitabh goes on a
fairly long sabbatical in an attempt to move away from his old roles and get
into newer roles...
Later,
Ikram.
ps. the only place where people find both Amitabh and Kamal playing roles
together is "Geraftaar" with Kamal being the main Hero and Amitabh coming
in just prior to the interval... Watching that film alone should answer
the question about Amitabh vs. Kamal afa Hindi Films are concerned.
Comparing them with Amitabh in Hindi Films and Kamal in tamizh films is,
as somebody said, comparing apples with oranges...
RaviKrishna
>
>
>> Mrityudaata - Poor direction. Superb acting by Big B
>> Major Saab - Bad script. Perfect acting by Big B
>
>Stop giving this bullcrap, fact is he chose lousy movies for a comeback. he
>could have literally picked his director and yet he faltered.
>
>jagadish - an AB fan pre Mrityudata (I could even survive Toofan/Jaadugar
>etc.)
>
Jagadish,
In what way is Toofan etc superior to Mrityudaata and Major Saab ?.
Ravi Krishna [ who would not watch any crappy AB movies of 70s, 80s and 90s]
pra...@calwest.net
super star and Kamal was not.
But, if the question is one of creativity and risk taking then Kamal
is strides ahead of Amitabh.
My biggest gripe with Amitabh is his total lack of risk taking.
Every movie of his in the 80s and 90s had pretty much the
the same two or three themes.
Even at the height of his success, he did not venture off the
beaten path. The tragedy is the fact that he is so talented and
the movies he selects are so pedestrian.
On Sat, 25 Jul 1998 18:30:26 -0400, Chirag Shah
<cs...@chuma.cas.usf.edu> wrote:
>On Sat, 25 Jul 1998 sjag...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
>> > yeah, apples and oranges really!!
>> > Amitabh - A Super"Star"
>> > Kamal Hassan - A Super"Loser"
>>
>> Three words - Mrityudaata, Major Saab
>>
>> Now who's the loser ? :)
>
> Mrityudaata - Poor direction. Superb acting by Big B
> Major Saab - Bad script. Perfect acting by Big B
>
sjag...@my-dejanews.com
> In what way is Toofan etc superior to Mrityudaata and Major Saab ?.
for one, he was 10 yrs younger !!
> Ravi Krishna [ who would not watch any crappy AB movies of 70s, 80s and 90s]
i wonder if u mean ANY AB movies ? (the 70s,80s,90s dont mean anything after
all AB has been ard only from the 70s)
jagadish
Ehari
>There was no competition for the role of son >(Police Officer). AB was clearly
>better than KH. IMO the role of father's role >was also played better by AB.
>AB kills his dad and shows his frustration on ?<HTML><PRE>Subject: Re: Amitab
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From: RaviKrishna
Date: Fri, Jul 24, 1998 13:29 EDT
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In article <6pacsp$n...@pdrn.zippo.com>, anand...@hotmail.com says...
>PS: Aakhree Raasta did have a good performance by Amitabh. He was able to
>at least bring out a contrast between the 2 roles (a minimum requirement
>for a double role film) unlike the much overrated hero(es) of today, who
>rely on special effects to bring out the contrast in the 2 characters they
>potray on screen.
Aakhree Raasta is a remake of "oru kaidian diary" (1984) starring Kamal and
Revathi. Without any hesitation (this at the risk of irritating Kamal fans)
I can say that AB's acting was better than Kamal's.
There was no competition for the role of son (Police Officer). AB was clearly
better than KH. IMO the role of father's role was also played better by AB.
KH had his usual overacting, which AB avoided. The last scene where the son
AB kills his dad and shows his frustration on being unable to do anything to
Sadashiv Amrapurkar, was very well acted by AB.
It all depens on how u see it, I still remembering seeing AR with my friends
and
how we made fun of stone face acting of AB, it is not that AB is not good
actor, he is simply
just ok.
.
It is not that, Kamal was excellant in this movie,
though he is far better and considering that
it is BR movie, it was a worth performance.
e.hari
Ehari
>> demands of the masses in th 80s , bringing Rajni's name into the picture is
>an
>> insult to Amitabh as far as acting is concerned :). I mean Rajni is
>nowhere
>> even remotely comparable to either Amitabh or Kamal in terms of acting.
>
>Think not. Rajni definitely had the ability and showed it too. In his
>charm of becoming a hero effectively put an end to any chances of being able
>to display his acting ability.
His acitng in films like aval appadithan, avargal are really good.
e.hari
RaviKrishna
>
>
>> In what way is Toofan etc superior to Mrityudaata and Major Saab ?.
>
>for one, he was 10 yrs younger !!
So ? Does that make the movie more watchable.
>> Ravi Krishna [ who would not watch any crappy AB movies of 70s, 80s and 90s]
>
>i wonder if u mean ANY AB movies ? (the 70s,80s,90s dont mean anything after
>all AB has been ard only from the 70s)
No. By crappy movies I meant the following:-
70s - Khoon Pasina, Hera Pheri
80s - Mard, Naseeb
90s - Inderjeet, KhudaGawah
Ravi Krishna.
RaviKrishna
>It all depens on how u see it, I still remembering seeing AR with my friends
>and
>how we made fun of stone face acting of AB, it is not that AB is not good
>actor, he is simply
>just ok.
>.
>It is not that, Kamal was excellant in this movie,
>though he is far better and considering that
>it is BR movie, it was a worth performance.
Hari,
Amitabh is just OK.
RajniKant is a good actor (as u put it in other thread).
You got to be getting !!!!!.
Have you seen the tamil version of "Koshish". Whichever way you see it, it
was a classic example of overacting by KamalHassan. I don't have to tell how
well Sanjeev Kumar acted.
Ravi Krishna.
Subbarao G.S.S.
>
> 70s - Khoon Pasina, Hera Pheri
> 80s - Mard, Naseeb
> 90s - Inderjeet, KhudaGawah
>
> Ravi Krishna.
Add to that (IMHO) :
70s - Suhaag
80s - Shaan, Toofan, Shahenshah, Ganga Jamuna Saraswati, Geraftaar,
Inquilaab
90s - Insaniyat, Ajooba
Shridhar
>
>In article <6ph500$bgl$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, sjag...@my-dejanews.com says...
>>
>>
>>> In what way is Toofan etc superior to Mrityudaata and Major Saab ?.
>>
>>for one, he was 10 yrs younger !!
>
>So ? Does that make the movie more watchable.
He He He..looks like Jagadish is in nostalgic mood courtsey maha-crappy Toofan
and Jadugar.
>
>
>>> Ravi Krishna [ who would not watch any crappy AB movies of 70s, 80s and 90s]
Same here...even Ganga Ki Saugandh was crap, IMO.
Shridhar
ps: KG was total crap courtsey Mukul Anand saved by some excellent performance
by Amitabh.
RaviKrishna
Subbarao,
My list was just an example. One can keep on adding crappy movies of AB. Sad
fact is that AB despite acting in 90 odd movies, can claim only few movies as
good or worth watching, and by few I really mean *few*. AB should thank
Hrishikesh Mukherjee for giving him a chance to show his talent, otherwise in
the company of Prakash Mehra and Manmohan Deasi, he just wasted his talent.
Ravi Krishna.
Shridhar
While i agree that many actors waste their talent because of working with bad
directors, you can't list only the bad movies of Amitabh and say that he acted
in crappy movies. My point is if thats the criterion for deciding what kind of
movies he acted in, same is true for Kamal or any other good actor too. During a
film career, actors act in all kinds of movies, some of them good/excellent and
some nearly rank bad. Even nowadays(after taking on to good roles) Kamal acts in
lot of crap movies in between like the latest "Kadala Kadala" a few weeks back,
another movie with a Hindi actress Farheen a few years back was total crap.
Probably, money is a factor for acting in whatever kind of script they are
offered. You yourself could have accepted a job just for money factor even if
the job dosen't satisfy you. Film stars are after all humans.
Also, many movies AB acted in though not having story content were good
entertainers and i would say those were good movies. After all, movies were
originally made to entertain people and not make you doze off on your seats :).
Only when they feed crap in the name of entertainment, it becomes intolerable.
For eg. Namak Halal was terribly short on story content but was a great
entertainer courtsey some terrific comic acting by Amit. Same is true for
Sharabi which i thought had some of the best entertaining dialogues among
the films of Amitabh.
Shridhar < who thinks that '77-'82 had Amitabh at his indomitable comic best >
go...@my-dejanews.com
> When it comes to natural acting effortlessly I would rate following actors:-
>
> Balraj Sahni
> Ashok Kumar
> Sanjeev Kumar
> Mohan Lal
> Om Puri
> Pankaj Kapur
>
How can one forget Utpal Dutt when you are talking about natural acting?
Also Shabana Azmi and Soumitra Chatterjee should be included.
> Plus some more.
>
> Ravi Krishna.
>
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Shridhar
That should be K.Balachander :).
Rajni acted well in some movies which had a good role for him(and which i've
seen) but probably that could have been because of the role. Otherwise, in most
of his masala movies,he could barely act well enough to show even the simplest
of emotions. Moreover, his dialogue delivery is pathetic to say the least. I
think he still hasn't gotten over the "bus conductor" accent :) :) he learnt in
Bangalore.
Shridhar
ps: who has met Rajni and talked to him.
eh...@my-dejanews.com
RaviKrishna wrote:
> >eh...@aol.com says...
> >It all depens on how u see it, I still remembering seeing AR with my friends
> >and
> >how we made fun of stone face acting of AB, it is not that AB is not good
> >actor, he is simply
> >just ok.
> >.
> >It is not that, Kamal was excellant in this movie,
> >though he is far better and considering that
> >it is BR movie, it was a worth performance.
>
> Hari,
>
> Amitabh is just OK.
> RajniKant is a good actor (as u put it in other thread).
>
> You got to be getting !!!!!.
I let u decide, who it should be, u or me. People just dismiss rajanikanth as
an actor, but if you see his performances in some of his earlier movies, he
did show promise, despite his accent and other limitations, thats what I
meant. I can not even watch any 80s rajani movies or his recent craps.
I mostly watched amitabhs, 80s movies, masala movies, and I did not
feel anything different that he has acting capability, as one would arrive
the same opinion about watching rajani movies.
>
> Have you seen the tamil version of "Koshish". Whichever way you see it, it
> was a classic example of overacting by KamalHassan. I don't have to tell how
> well Sanjeev Kumar acted.
>
> Ravi Krishna.
Which tamil movie you are talking about?.
>
If you feel kamal is overacting , for some other people ABs performance in
AR, is no-acting. It is just like some one, who stands in front of the
camera, and shouts with a poker face. There are 2 types of leading actors in
the film industry, one who would act in the same manner through out their
carreer, and for them experimenting is either out of reach or too risk to do
commercially . They are just as good as the movie script. There are another
type of actors, who always want to do different things, they are ready to
change their voice, look and constantly looking out for challenges in acting.
At times, they have to stay away from normal, to keep up with the character,
they play, and it is too bad, if it is labelled as over acting. They can
constantly rise above the script.
I always feel that just because one looks natural in a movie, does not make
him a great actor. Vijayakanth in the film chinna coundar was so natural, but
still no sane mind is going to accept that he is a good actor. We have so
many actors like this, who can look natural in some charcters, and completely
exposed, if you ask them to show slightest emotion, or ask them to act
differently. Yet I completely agree that, people tend to like different
things, and for me, I would any day prefer actors trying different things and
failing at it, rather than seeing same type acting again and again.
and with that, i will go and rest in peace.
e.hari
eh...@my-dejanews.com
failing at it, rather than seeing same type acting again and agai, and be
successful at it..
sjag...@my-dejanews.com
> Rajni acted well in some movies which had a good role for him(and which i've
> seen) but probably that could have been because of the role. Otherwise, in
> most of his masala movies,he could barely act well enough to show even the
> simplest of emotions.
doesnt that support my argument ? Rajini had the ability to act well but he
chose to go the masala way and didnt give us enough of an opportunity to judge
his talent. Amitabh did try out non-mainstream movies but a whopping majority
of them were pre-75 stuff, and after Sholay there was no looking back.
jagadish
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>Date: Mon, Jul 27, 1998 23:41 EDT
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>
>In article <6pjdr2$bb1$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, eh...@my-dejanews.com says...
>
>>> Have you seen the tamil version of "Koshish". Whichever way you see it, it
>>> was a classic example of overacting by KamalHassan. I don't have to tell
>how
>>> well Sanjeev Kumar acted.
>>>
>>> Ravi Krishna.
>>
>>Which tamil movie you are talking about?.
>
>in Madras TV. It was a remake of Koshish.
I think you may be referring to
'oru oothapu kan simitugiradhu'.
>
>>If you feel kamal is overacting , for some other people ABs performance in
>>AR, is no-acting. It is just like some one, who stands in front of the
>>camera, and shouts with a poker face. There are 2 types of leading actors in
>>the film industry, one who would act in the same manner through out their
>>carreer, and for them experimenting is either out of reach or too risk to
>do
>>commercially . They are just as good as the movie script. There are
another
>>type of actors, who always want to do different things, they are ready to
>>change their voice, look and constantly looking out for challenges in
>acting.
>>At times, they have to stay away from normal, to keep up with the character,
>>they play, and it is too bad, if it is labelled as over acting. They can
>>constantly rise above the script.
>
>The
>difference between him in Nayagan and MarlonBrando in Godfather is a classic
>example of natural acting and overacting.
Which scene did kamal over act. Most people
quote the crying scene, infact I did think, it
was little bit on the other side, until in the real
life, I saw an old man crying, I mean real old man. I was really shocked to
observe that.
There are so many instances, kamal has observed real life people and put them
into
acting. In sippikul muthu, if you watch closely,
he always taps his head with his hand, and that
I did observe in people, who are like that character.
In nayagan, except that scene, I do not see any overacting, may be I dont have
trained
eyes like you.
Another perfect example of
>obnoxious
>overacting was Guna.
It may be, but as I told, that is a very unique
character, and I will appreciate him just for
attempting to act characters like that.
>
>>I always feel that just because one looks natural in a movie, does not make
>>him a great actor.
>
>Oh yeah sure. By your argument almost all of the hollywood actors are
>mediocre
>actors. For example I like Harrison Ford's acting very much, but I guess
>acting
>naturally is *so* easy.
To some extent, yes, if the story is somewhat
close to real life.
Go and see, films like raja parvai, moonram
pirai, and even kaaki sattai, kamal also done that.
>Ravi Krishna.
>
>PS: AB was perfect in comedy too as in Namak Halal. Now don't tell me that it
> is the same style of acting as he did in Deewar.
Infact lots of rajani fans can also fans similar examples,they also have films
like 'thillu mullu', 'thambiku endha ooru; and nallvanakku nallavan and more to
list. so go
figure.
e.hari
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Ravi Krishna
>In nayagan, except that scene, I do not see any overacting, may be I dont have
>trained eyes like you.
>It may be, but as I told, that is a very unique
>character, and I will appreciate him just for
>attempting to act characters like that.
I agree that overacting is something which depends on perception. If you take
Shivaji Ganeshan's acting, most likely non tamils will dismiss it as loud,
overacting and hysterical. You got to agree that SG's style of acting can't
be appreciated by all, specially someone not well versed with tamil culture.
To some extent that applies to Kamal's acting also.
When was the last time, Kamal did a normal role, without any abnormality in
his character. The few times he did, he came a cropper. For eg, his role in
Kurudipunal vs Om Puri in DrohKaal.
>Infact lots of rajani fans can also fans similar examples,they also have films
>like 'thillu mullu', 'thambiku endha ooru; and nallvanakku nallavan and more to
>list. so go
>figure.
What is the need to drag Rajni into this. Just to set your mind to peace, I
think Rajni is quite a good actor, specially in comedy. However in no way
can he be compared with AB.
Ravi Krishna. [ my last reponse to this thread ]
Jann
Ravi Krishna wrote:
> When was the last time, Kamal did a normal role, without any abnormality in
> his character. The few times he did, he came a cropper. For eg, his role in
> Kurudipunal vs Om Puri in DrohKaal.
>
Kamal definitely wasn't bad in Kurudhipunal. Maybe Om Puri was better. Thatdoesn't
mean that Kamal came a cropper!
Alright...
Kadala Kadala -- normal
Avvai -- not normal
Indian -- not normal
Thevar Magan -- normal
mahanadhi -- normal
kurudhi -- normal
sathileelavathi -- normal
nammavar -- normal
Enough?
Anyway, what's wrong in wearing appropriate makeup for a role? Should
the hero have the same hairstyle and designer clothes irrespective of
whether he is playing a rich guy, poor guy, old guy or a woman?
> >Infact lots of rajani fans can also fans similar examples,they also have films
> >like 'thillu mullu', 'thambiku endha ooru; and nallvanakku nallavan and more to
> >list. so go
> >figure.
>
> What is the need to drag Rajni into this. Just to set your mind to peace, I
> think Rajni is quite a good actor, specially in comedy. However in no way
> can he be compared with AB.
>
Rajini has a particular style of acting and is good at it. Many people like it (at
least inTN). But his style is not normal. How many people walk and move around like
him?
I think he performed both the villain and hero roles pretty much in the same way
till he
started doing comedy cum macho roles. Can he do serious roles? I doubt it.
(e.g. I thought he did bad as the saintly old man in Muthu).
-Jann
sjag...@my-dejanews.com
> When was the last time, Kamal did a normal role, without any abnormality in
> his character. The few times he did, he came a cropper. For eg, his role in
> Kurudipunal vs Om Puri in DrohKaal.
Amazing ... Kamal does a role with an abnormality in his character and it does
well. He does a normal role - it flunks ... and he is a commercial actor, so
hits matter, dont they ? So why shouldnt he go back to doing abnormal roles ?
Vasantharajan Janakirahan
> >Infact lots of rajani fans can also fans similar examples,they also have films
> >like 'thillu mullu', 'thambiku endha ooru; and nallvanakku nallavan and more to
> >list. so go
> >figure.
>
Arulirunthu 60varai-this was a great film with agood performance by
rajini, this was apure character role.
Also in Johny-(he does a double role with aplomb, also one of sridevi's
best film)
Mullum malarum,
There was an other fim-I forgot the name, that starred Rajini with
Ambika and Radha (this was remade in Hindi with Jeetendra, Sridevi and
Padmini kohlapuri) was also a good one.
vasanth
Vasantharajan Janakirahan
> >>Which tamil movie you are talking about?.
> >
> >I have forgotten the name of the movie. Some late 70s movie which I once saw
> >in Madras TV. It was a remake of Koshish.
> I think you may be referring to
> 'oru oothapu kan simitugiradhu'.
In the Hindi version jaya dies halfway thro. the film, in the Tamil
version Kamal dioes half way thro. the film. Oru oothapu-also starred
kamal and sujatha
vasanth
Ehari
>From: Ravi Krishna <srkr...@yahoo.com>
>Message-id: <6plpbm$1...@drn.newsguy.com>
>
>njkin...@aol.com says...
>
>
>I agree that overacting is something which depends on perception. If you take
>Shivaji Ganeshan's acting, most likely non tamils will dismiss it as loud,
>overacting and hysterical. You got to agree that SG's style of acting can't
>be appreciated by all, specially someone not well versed with tamil culture.
resist commenting anything. But I should agree that I have seen many people
with similiar view.
>To some extent that applies to Kamal's acting also.
>his character. The few times he did, he came a cropper. For eg, his role in
>Kurudipunal vs Om Puri in DrohKaal.
You have every reason to beleive that ompuri
is better and I feel otherway around. So it is a
just a matter of opinion.
>
>>Infact lots of rajani fans can also fans similar examples,they also have
>films
>>like 'thillu mullu', 'thambiku endha ooru; and nallvanakku nallavan and more
>to
>>list. so go
>>figure.
>
>What is the need to drag Rajni into this. Just to set your mind to peace, I
Dont worry, I have lots of other things to do
than being worreid about your comments about rajini. I hope that will set your
mind to
peace.
>think Rajni is quite a good actor, specially in comedy. However in no way
>can he be compared with AB.
I am not the first one to drag rajini in to this
discussion, but I know you are not the one, who did it. I am just pointing out
that, there are people like me, for them AB is just like rajini, may be better
than him, or not at all, and comparing to kamalhassan is insult to kamal and
overall film acting.
e.hari
>Ravi Krishna. [ my last reponse to this thread ]
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