lakshya
rkusenet
Director Farhan Akhtar is no longer a one film wonder.
The war scenes are shot tremendously. Have just seen Loc-Kargil
the war scenes are a refreshing change.
What impressed me most small details. Like when the shelling
starts, the coffee on AB's table quivers. Om Puri mentions
that the gun used by Pakistanis takes 10 seconds to reload
(I suspect due to rarefied conditions). One can see how that
information is used by Indian soldiers, if one pays attention
during the war scenes.
Tehnically the movie is right up with Hollywood movies, specially
Hollywood war movies. Super aerial shots.
Acting wise, everyone was good. Every role was well defined.
I like the new avtaar of AB. He is showing far more range as
a character actor than what he showed as a superstar.
Music was very stylish. One song "agar main kahoon" was good.
Like ARR, Shankar-Ehsaan-Loy are very good in sound engineering.
BTW I noticed that Priety in that song looked a lot like Meenakshi
Seshadri in Shehenshah.
Only glaring thing: Unnecessary songs during the second half. Could
have been avoided.
IMO this is the best phase for bollywood in the mainstream movies.
Never have we seen so much variety in screenplay.
A must see IMO.
rk-
Arjun Pandit
> stylish entertainer.
> Director Farhan Akhtar is no longer a one film
> wonder.
Agreed, the first half was refreshingly directed and
so was the climax. The portion in between for about 30
mins was a bit tiring (soldiers singing etc) but the
climax made up for it. Absolutely awesome.
>
> The war scenes are shot tremendously. Have just seen
> Loc-Kargil
> the war scenes are a refreshing change.
>
LOC was like watching Border all over again. I never
got the impression of the soldiers climbing cliffs etc
and it got very very boring after 2 hours. Lakshya is
definetely a better tribute to the Kargil soldiers
than LOC was.
>
> Tehnically the movie is right up with Hollywood
> movies, specially
> Hollywood war movies. Super aerial shots.
>
Agreed, good stuff by the German cinematographer
Christopher Popp.
> Acting wise, everyone was good. Every role was well
> defined.
> I like the new avtaar of AB. He is showing far more
> range as
> a character actor than what he showed as a
> superstar.
I felt both he and Om Puri were wasted :-), after
seeing Dev where both were indulged in some heavy duty
stuff this seemed too less for them. Hrithik as the
army guy was awesome, very restrained.
>
> Music was very stylish. One song "agar main kahoon"
> was good.
> Like ARR, Shankar-Ehsaan-Loy are very good in sound
> engineering.
Did you enjoy the choreography of AMK?
Shishir Yerramilli
> This film has definitely raised the bar of slick, stylish entertainer.
> Director Farhan Akhtar is no longer a one film wonder.
>
> The war scenes are shot tremendously. Have just seen Loc-Kargil
> the war scenes are a refreshing change.
The war scenes were better than in LOC-Kargil but they were not as
good as I expected.
>
> What impressed me most small details. Like when the shelling
> starts, the coffee on AB's table quivers. Om Puri mentions
> that the gun used by Pakistanis takes 10 seconds to reload
> (I suspect due to rarefied conditions). One can see how that
> information is used by Indian soldiers, if one pays attention
> during the war scenes.
I liked that stuff more too.I felt buildup like that was much more
effective and eerie than the battle scenes.
>
> Tehnically the movie is right up with Hollywood movies, specially
> Hollywood war movies. Super aerial shots.
Though it has great aeriel shots,the camera moves during war cannot
quite compare with those of say Saving Private Ryan,Black Hawk Down or
even Kannathil Muthamittal!
> Acting wise, everyone was good. Every role was well defined.
> I like the new avtaar of AB. He is showing far more range as
> a character actor than what he showed as a superstar.
Amitabh and Hrithik were very good in the movie.I like the scene
where they initially meet the best.I dont think highly of Preity Zinta
as an actress or a star.
> Music was very stylish. One song "agar main kahoon" was good.
> Like ARR, Shankar-Ehsaan-Loy are very good in sound engineering.
I liked SEL in Mission Kashmir but other stuff is average IMO,they
have a fresh sound,I will give them that but they are lot more
forgettable than ARR's current stuff.
> BTW I noticed that Priety in that song looked a lot like Meenakshi
> Seshadri in Shehenshah.
>
> Only glaring thing: Unnecessary songs during the second half. Could
> have been avoided.
I agree.
>
> IMO this is the best phase for bollywood in the mainstream movies.
> Never have we seen so much variety in screenplay.
Though it is clear that Farhan is not a one hit wonder,I must say I
am dissapointed by lack of subtlety.All that Jai Hind and Tiranga
stuff seemed a little too Sunny Deol.
I however liked it when Sushant Singh lost his temper when Preity
Zinta was talking about peace and love and how war is not the answer.
> A must see IMO.
Worth seeing for the shots of Ladakh alone,
..going into Habshi mode...
watch it on the big screen only.
...end Habshi mode....
>
> rk-
rkusenet
> > What impressed me most small details. Like when the shelling
> > starts, the coffee on AB's table quivers. Om Puri mentions
> > that the gun used by Pakistanis takes 10 seconds to reload
> > (I suspect due to rarefied conditions). One can see how that
> > information is used by Indian soldiers, if one pays attention
> > during the war scenes.
>
> I liked that stuff more too.I felt buildup like that was much more
> effective and eerie than the battle scenes.
AB is AB. He gave some natural touch, for which I am not even sure
director can be credited. he must have done it extempore.
for e.g. when Hritik tells him over the
phone the coordinates of Pakistani bunkers (they bait them to reveal
their locations), AB listens over the phone and indicates on the map
to OmPuri where to mark it. In one scene, when OP gets bit slow to
write it down, he says in bit of an exasperation "yahan yahan likho likho".
I found it very natural. I also found his remark to OP about 10 seconds
delay "that coming from experience" natural. he gave that personal touch.
>I however liked it when Sushant Singh lost his temper when Preity
>Zinta was talking about peace and love and how war is not the answer.
that was someone else, not sushant singh. it was effective. also plenty
of attacks at pakistan, like pak soliders dressed up as civials. pak army
refusing to accept their bodies etc.
However the film goofed up big time in the climax. Per me it was a big
geographical goof-up. Can u tell me which one?
Loony Tunes
> Music was very stylish. One song "agar main kahoon" was good.
> Like ARR, Shankar-Ehsaan-Loy are very good in sound engineering.
Doesnt the BGM sound a bit like Kill Bill Vol I?
lt
Baradwaj Rangan
> Though it is clear that Farhan is not a one hit wonder,I must say I
> am dissapointed by lack of subtlety.All that Jai Hind and Tiranga
> stuff seemed a little too Sunny Deol.
I couldn't agree more, and I've actually talked about this in my
review. After all that understatement in the first half -- even the
love scenes are so laidback -- the way he's shaped Hrithik's character
towards the end is all gung-ho. agreed, it's his lakshya and all, but
things definitely became more Anil Sharma than Farhan Akhtar in the
later stages.
> I however liked it when Sushant Singh lost his temper when Preity
> Zinta was talking about peace and love and how war is not the answer.
>
That, BTW, wasn't Sushant singh. That was one of the guys guy who came
into Hrithik's room at the IMA and said good night... you know, after
Hrithik falls into the water in that very funy scene.
In all, the film is definitely very good, but I wonder if the
generational clash (Javed vs. farhan) had something to do with the
unevenness of the final product.
Arjun Pandit
> yshi...@hotmail.com (Shishir Yerramilli) wrote in message
news:<370a0b0.04062...@posting.google.com>...
> > Though it is clear that Farhan is not a one hit wonder,I must say
I
> > am dissapointed by lack of subtlety.All that Jai Hind and Tiranga
> > stuff seemed a little too Sunny Deol.
>
> I couldn't agree more, and I've actually talked about this in my
> review. After all that understatement in the first half -- even the
> love scenes are so laidback -- the way he's shaped Hrithik's
character
> towards the end is all gung-ho. agreed, it's his lakshya and all, but
> things definitely became more Anil Sharma than Farhan Akhtar in the
> later stages.
:-). The guy is making a movie costing about 20-30 crores. Surely he
has to ensure it runs everywhere. And an understated war wouldn't do
him any good in small cities and towns. I think till the entire gamut
of audience accepts understated things, we will continue to see
semi-realistic cinema which in itself is a big stride from the past.
BTW Shishir, surely the army must be discussing Tiranga and Jaihind
quite frequently, dont you think so?
>
> In all, the film is definitely very good, but I wonder if the
> generational clash (Javed vs. farhan) had something to do with the
> unevenness of the final product.
Didnt Javed play a big behind the scenes role in the screenplay of DCH?
rkusenet
"Arjun Pandit" <arjunpa...@indya.com> wrote
> :-). The guy is making a movie costing about 20-30 crores. Surely he
> has to ensure it runs everywhere. And an understated war wouldn't do
> him any good in small cities and towns. I think till the entire gamut
> of audience accepts understated things, we will continue to see
> semi-realistic cinema which in itself is a big stride from the past.
I got to agree 100%. The first half was way too suave and urban.
I mean Preity talks to her finance "anyways". Anyways!!!! Have
Indians started using grammatically incorrect English just to sound
cool. Must be true in delhi/mumbai/b'lore. I have heard from desi
folks in america, but that's still better bcos we are here. Back in
India???? [ sorry for the rambling, but "anyways" puts me off ]
Hritik's dad (Bonnie Irani) walks on the treadmill. Hritik watches
DVD on 35 inch flat screen. Way too elitist for a common man in
Ambala or Kanpur to appreciate. that's why the sunny deol touch in
the second half, though it was bit jarring.
{ I am sure DCH wud have been a hit only in big cities }
> BTW Shishir, surely the army must be discussing Tiranga and Jaihind
> quite frequently, dont you think so?
agreed. On that count, whatever was shown in LoC was quite
natural. That's the only way to motivate when u are on a suicide mission.
Aditya Basrur
<snip>
> I mean Preity talks to her finance "anyways". Anyways!!!! Have
> Indians started using grammatically incorrect English just to sound
> cool. Must be true in delhi/mumbai/b'lore. I have heard from desi
> folks in america, but that's still better bcos we are here. Back in
> India???? [ sorry for the rambling, but "anyways" puts me off ]
It's not that uncommon with people of my age or younger. Admittedly my
cousins and their friends live in Bombay or Bangalore, but I never cease to
be amazed by their use of Americanisms, general slang, and incorrect English
which is accepted usage. "Anyways" is quite common, as is "whatever" etc.
Even cousins who've grown up in Dharwad (basically a village in Karnataka) or
Kolhapur speak similarly. "Friends" and similar shows seem to be extremely
popular amongst teenagers who I've met. Everyone wants to sound like Joey
Trebiani. My grandparents and their acquaintances often comment on how my
English seems more "Indian" than that of many kids they know who've grown up
in Bombay. (I guess it's because I don't have much of an accent, as AP should
be able to testify.)
> Hritik's dad (Bonnie Irani) walks on the treadmill. Hritik watches
> DVD on 35 inch flat screen. Way too elitist for a common man in
> Ambala or Kanpur to appreciate. that's why the sunny deol touch in
> the second half, though it was bit jarring.
> { I am sure DCH wud have been a hit only in big cities }
Probably, yeah. But I haven't met a single person who's spoken ill of it.
(Unlike Chalte Chalte, KHNH, KKHH, etc.)
Aditya
Arjun Pandit
Aditya Basrur wrote:
> in Bombay. (I guess it's because I don't have much of an accent, as
AP should
> be able to testify.)
>
Dont authorize me on testifying ... a whole load of things (asked by
others regarding you), I will gladly testify :-)
Arjun Pandit
rkusenet wrote:
> "Arjun Pandit" <arjunpa...@indya.com> wrote
> > :-). The guy is making a movie costing about 20-30 crores. Surely
he
> > has to ensure it runs everywhere. And an understated war wouldn't
do
> > him any good in small cities and towns. I think till the entire
gamut
> > of audience accepts understated things, we will continue to see
> > semi-realistic cinema which in itself is a big stride from the
past.
>
> I got to agree 100%. The first half was way too suave and urban.
> Indians started using grammatically incorrect English just to sound
> cool. Must be true in delhi/mumbai/b'lore. I have heard from desi
> folks in america, but that's still better bcos we are here. Back in
> India???? [ sorry for the rambling, but "anyways" puts me off ]
Why not in India? We get American channels (music), get to see American
serials (Friends, Seinfeld that I know of) ... so it is but natural for
folks to pick up. I don't see anything wrong in it. Have you joined
ABVP/CPI-M Canada wing or something ;-)?
Regarding "Anyways" specifically, it was first heard in Kaho naa pyaar
hai where the NZ version of Hrithik keeps mouthing it regularly. And
given that KNPH was a big, big hit, "Anyways" caught on big time in
India.
AB can claim to have popularized Mumbaiya lingo all over India, Shotgun
can claim to have popularized "Khaamosh!", Hrithik can claim to have
popularized "Anyways" while Superstar SRK can claim to have popularized
"Ka ... Ka ... Ka ... Kiran" ;-)
> Hritik's dad (Bonnie Irani) walks on the treadmill. Hritik watches
> DVD on 35 inch flat screen. Way too elitist for a common man in
> Ambala or Kanpur to appreciate. that's why the sunny deol touch in
> the second half, though it was bit jarring.
Did you know that Jallandhar has the highest per capita income for
Indian cities? I was really surprised when I read that (dont remember
where). Ambala being close to Jallandhar may not be unaware of
treadmills and flat tvs. Kanpur is a different story.
Gafoor
What does anyways mean ? Can you use it in a sentence ?
rkusenet
"Arjun Pandit" <arjunpa...@indya.com> wrote
> > I got to agree 100%. The first half was way too suave and urban.
> > I mean Preity talks to her finance "anyways". Anyways!!!! Have
> > Indians started using grammatically incorrect English just to sound
> > cool. Must be true in delhi/mumbai/b'lore. I have heard from desi
> > folks in america, but that's still better bcos we are here. Back in
> > India???? [ sorry for the rambling, but "anyways" puts me off ]
>
> Why not in India? We get American channels (music), get to see American
> serials (Friends, Seinfeld that I know of) ... so it is but natural for
> folks to pick up. I don't see anything wrong in it. Have you joined
> ABVP/CPI-M Canada wing or something ;-)?
:-).
Hey I know the current india. I too have ex-friends/classmates/relatives
working in india, who unlike you, did not live in US in the past.
Still in emails/discussionforums/mailinglist they are able to use
american expression as if they are here. Sample:
whoa whoa whoa
that's a slam dunk approach
let's touch base.
Of course nothing wrong in it. Just that "anyways" is my blind spot :-)
Aditya Basrur
news:cb9m7v$g...@odak26.prod.google.com...
> Regarding "Anyways" specifically, it was first heard in
> Kaho naa pyaar hai where the NZ version of Hrithik
> keeps mouthing it regularly. And given that KNPH
> was a big, big hit, "Anyways" caught on big time in
> India.
Not that it's related to your point (my posts never are :-) that NZ version
of Hrithik was a joke. His language was more American than Kiwi, if it was,
and his accent was barely NZ, if anything. His family was shown as living in
Queenstown, which is basically a tourist resort where the only Indian family
is the Sikhs who own the Little India. And the tourism there is mainly
adventure sports - skiing during winter, jetboating and whitewater rafting in
summer. There's very little nightlife there, and there's no such thing as
"Club Indiana" anywhere, where they showed him singing one of those Lucky Ali
songs. (We had family come here and ask us if there was a Club Indiana
somewhere "near a New World", as was shown in the film. New World is a
supermarket chain.)
"Sundarnagar" in New Zealand, as shown in Main Prem ki Diwani Hoon, is more
like NZ than anything in KNPH. And not many people here use anyways, anyway.
Our slang is probably more Brit than American. Although I'm teaching all my
friends words like hijra, saala, gandu, tatti, etc. and forwarding them
abusive posts from rsc to show them how to use words in context. They should
be educated in such things, in case they happen to meet people in Bangalore
...
Aditya [ Authorisation revoked. :-) ] Basrur
Arjun Pandit
Gafoor wrote:
>
> What does anyways mean ? Can you use it in a sentence ?
Arjun Pandit
>
> whoa whoa whoa
> that's a slam dunk approach
> let's touch base.
>
IT folks? Such phrases get used in these conf calls/meetings with US
clients. So you also tend to start using them a lot. One explanation.
The other being access to US media like serials, music etc.
yeskay
>>Regarding "Anyways" specifically, it was first heard in Kaho naa pyaar
>>hai where the NZ version of Hrithik keeps mouthing it regularly. And
>>given that KNPH was a big, big hit, "Anyways" caught on big time in
>>India.
>
>
> What does anyways mean ? Can you use it in a sentence ?
>
>
>
It is used in the same context as 'anyway'.
yeskay
I was aware of these expressions watching Satl TV which started in
India around '92/93. Star TV was the only channel those days which
ran reruns of pop american tv shows - Mash, Cheers and 'Whose line
is it anyway' (the brit version). MTV, ofcourse with 'Beavis and
Butthead' was a great teacher of american culture.
I am sure there was a line in it that goes,
'huh, huh, har har, he said - touch base, ha ha'!
Aditya Basrur
news:cb9oql$f...@netnews.proxy.lucent.com...
> Arjun Pandit wrote:
> > rkusenet wrote:
> >
> >>whoa whoa whoa
> >>that's a slam dunk approach
> >>let's touch base.
> >>
> >
> >
> > IT folks? Such phrases get used in these conf calls/meetings with US
> > clients. So you also tend to start using them a lot. One explanation.
> > The other being access to US media like serials, music etc.
> >
>
> I was aware of these expressions watching Satl TV which started in
> India around '92/93. Star TV was the only channel those days which
> ran reruns of pop american tv shows - Mash, Cheers
> and 'Whose line is it anyway' (the brit version).
Star TV started showing all sorts of useless serials in those days which had
never really taken off. I think it was on Star Plus, primarily, around 1993.
Bold and the Beautiful was a must in our house (but that had been going for a
while anyway). I remember becoming acquainted with Doogie Howser MD and a
serial with Jamie Lee Curtis as well. Mash was great, as was 'Whose line
...', but I don't think they were showing Cheers till 1994.
> MTV, ofcourse with 'Beavis and
> Butthead' was a great teacher of american culture.
> I am sure there was a line in it that goes,
> 'huh, huh, har har, he said - touch base, ha ha'!
Is South Park available in India?
Aditya
Shishir Yerramilli
> Baradwaj Rangan wrote:
> > yshi...@hotmail.com (Shishir Yerramilli) wrote in message
> news:<370a0b0.04062...@posting.google.com>...
> > > Though it is clear that Farhan is not a one hit wonder,I must say
> I
> > > am dissapointed by lack of subtlety.All that Jai Hind and Tiranga
> > > stuff seemed a little too Sunny Deol.
> >
> > I couldn't agree more, and I've actually talked about this in my
> > review. After all that understatement in the first half -- even the
> > love scenes are so laidback -- the way he's shaped Hrithik's
> character
> > towards the end is all gung-ho. agreed, it's his lakshya and all, but
> > things definitely became more Anil Sharma than Farhan Akhtar in the
> > later stages.
>
> :-). The guy is making a movie costing about 20-30 crores. Surely he
> has to ensure it runs everywhere. And an understated war wouldn't do
> him any good in small cities and towns. I think till the entire gamut
> of audience accepts understated things, we will continue to see
> semi-realistic cinema which in itself is a big stride from the past.
Definitely better than any of JP Dutta or Sunny Deol movies,that goes
without saying.I guess I was expecting too much too soon.
> BTW Shishir, surely the army must be discussing Tiranga and Jaihind
> quite frequently, dont you think so?
Definitely,but ours is a professional army.Of course Tiranga and Jai
Hind are great morale boosters in the heat of combat,our soldiers are
not so much motivated by ideology but more emphasis on getting the job
done as opposed to Pakistani soldiers who have Jihadist tendencies and
are consumed with hatred of India.Of course that is not to say our
soldiers are some type of mercenaries,it is because they are patriotic
they are professional hardheaded types and not zealots.I am told that
their patriotism may seem somewhat understated,they are rarely any
Sunny Deol types in the army,they would be misfits.
>
> >
> > In all, the film is definitely very good, but I wonder if the
> > generational clash (Javed vs. farhan) had something to do with the
> > unevenness of the final product.
> Didnt Javed play a big behind the scenes role in the screenplay of DCH?
Maybe he had something to do with the crafting of the relationship
between Akshaye Khanna and Dimple's characters?
Shishir Yerramilli
Are you talking about the final Tiranga hoisting or the forest in Ladakh!!
rkusenet
"Shishir Yerramilli" <yshi...@hotmail.com> wrote
> Are you talking about the final Tiranga hoisting or the forest in Ladakh!!
nope. I am referring to the savanna where Hritik and 11 others start their
final assault on peak 5279. They fight with jihadis and end up losing 6 men.
There the surd solider argues with Hritik whether it makes sense to even go
ahead with 6 men only. recollect that scene and scenario.
Savanna in Kargil!!!! Isn't that suppose to be an arid place. It looked
totally out of place, at least to me.
rk-
Loony Tunes
The foothills of Zojila, where Kargil and Dras are located are very savanna
like.....lush green in the summer time. If the camera was focussed on a
limited area, it would give you that impression. Further in areas around
Leh, there are several patches of green atleast close to the river. (forgot
the name).
But yes, by and large the area around Leh and in Ladakh is very arid.
lt
[still remember the aloo ka parathas and aachar from the transit camp in
Kargil just by the river (chenab probably)]
>
> rk-
>
>
Beatlesfan
> This film has definitely raised the bar of slick, stylish entertainer.
> Director Farhan Akhtar is no longer a one film wonder.
yawn.it was a stupid movie meant for stupid people like you.What did
it show?It preached hatred against Pakistanis.See Main Hoon Na
instead.
rkusenet
"Loony Tunes" <Looon...@yahoo.com> wrote
> The foothills of Zojila, where Kargil and Dras are located are very savanna
> like.....lush green in the summer time. If the camera was focussed on a
> limited area, it would give you that impression. Further in areas around
> Leh, there are several patches of green atleast close to the river. (forgot
> the name).
even though ur explanation sounds just about right, it still doesn't fit
in. That was my first reaction when I saw it. For e.g, the story is not
set in the summer. We could see snowcaps. Yet it looked like summer time
in the grassland. Secondly it wasn't exactly foothills from where they
started their final assault. But, with your explantion, it looks OK.
Loony Tunes
>
> "Loony Tunes" <Looon...@yahoo.com> wrote
> > The foothills of Zojila, where Kargil and Dras are located are very
savanna
> > like.....lush green in the summer time. If the camera was focussed on a
> > limited area, it would give you that impression. Further in areas around
> > Leh, there are several patches of green atleast close to the river.
(forgot
> > the name).
>
> even though ur explanation sounds just about right, it still doesn't fit
> in. That was my first reaction when I saw it. For e.g, the story is not
> set in the summer.
You are right.. the Kargil war did not take place in summer. There should
have been plenty of snow all around Kargil/Dras..not as much in Leh/Ladakh I
would imagine. The precipitation is low there.
> We could see snowcaps. Yet it looked like summer time
> in the grassland. Secondly it wasn't exactly foothills from where they
> started their final assault. But, with your explantion, it looks OK.
It would have been hard to find a set that matches the exact time and
location. The movie would never have been attempted during the winter time.
I am sure all the shooting was during the summer months. BTW, the
temperature is below freezing at nights even when it's peak summer. I
remember turning on the bukharis at night.
>
>
>
Loony Tunes
"Beatlesfan" <beatl...@mailinator.com> wrote in message
news:f8cdf476.04062...@posting.google.com...
> See Main Hoon Na
> instead.
why ?
Habshi
civilians in cold blood . Bollywood doesnt have the guts to show the
truth
Aditya Basrur
Welcome back Shridhar. How was your birthday?
Aditya
Baradwaj Rangan
> "Arjun Pandit" <arjunpa...@indya.com> wrote
> > :-). The guy is making a movie costing about 20-30 crores. Surely he
> > has to ensure it runs everywhere. And an understated war wouldn't do
> > him any good in small cities and towns. I think till the entire gamut
> > of audience accepts understated things, we will continue to see
> > semi-realistic cinema which in itself is a big stride from the past.
>
> I got to agree 100%. The first half was way too suave and urban.
Of course you guys are right, about the whole economics of it... but
my grouse is just that this made for a movie of uneven texture. While
watching Gadar for instance, the pitch starts at 100% and stays there
till the end. Here, the emotional graph was -- to me, at least -- very
jerky and kept yanking me out of an otherwise very well-made film.
Farhan Akhtar, like Mani Ratnam, is very urban, and I don't see why
these guys make 20 cr. (Yuva) and 30 cr. (Lakshya) films, whose
budgets necessitate compromises, rather than making lower budget films
that are targeted at urban markets. Do you respect sujoy Ghosh any
less as a filmmaker because his Jhankaar Beats was a hit only in the
cities?
"Anyways"... just my thoughts ;-)
Neha
work of my favorite director of current times, I must chime in with my
opinions...
First, I loved Lakshya. Yes there were scenes and cliches that could
have been avoided..I think the story needed some work(but that was not
Farhan's job, so I can excuse him this one), though that is Javed's
problem.
The things I didnt like about the movie and wish were different:
1 Hrithik's hairstyle and exaggerated expressions when acting as a
clueless, aimless confused youth.
2 Amrish Puri's role!(that whole part could have been done away with,
him breathing down Bachchan's back!)
3 Hrithik and Sardar's altercation about going up the peak! that
difference of opinion shouldnt have been part of the story. The film
would have worked even without it.
4 Romi was hardly shown doing any serious reporting from Kargil. She
was there just to stir up feelings..Farhan should have paid more
attention to that character's purpose of being in Kargil.
5 Hrithik walking up to Bachchan and saying 'i will put the flag there
or wont come back alive'.
6 The muslim and sardar(who exchanged his good fortune with fellow
soldier) neednt have died(that was the ultimate cliche).
Remove all the above or change it and make the story nice and
tight...But these are minor compared to what he actually achieved in
the movie.
Someone talked about lack of subtlety??!! You want subtle, here is
subtle! The whole romance and breaup and patch up between Hrithik and
Preity was subtle! Handled very very sensitively. No melodrama, no
major dialogues..just glances, just thoughts, just feelings...
Here are some scenes that I shall forever remember as having been
handled very well by Farhan.
1. When Hrithik comes back from the military academy after being
punished, he overhears his dad saying telling him mom 'i told you so'.
The dad doesnt taunt Hrithik, doesnt shout at him...
2. The breakup between Preity and Hrithik..so quick and harsh...They
just show Hrithik crying and unhappy.
3. The scene between Preity and her mom when she tells her mom that
Rajiv had proposed marriage to her
4. After Preity comes to Kargil, every time she and Hrithik encounter
each other, they feel and you feel along with them. No words are
needed to convey how much they miss each other and how much they want
to be with each other..
5. When Hrithik is leaving for the final mission, he conveys all he
wants to Preity with a 'I miss you Romi' and they just stand there(no
hug!! Bollywood movie and no hugging at parting!!! ). You can feel
their feelings! Atleast I could! Maybe I was just too involved:)
6. And the scene when Hrithik calls his father...just great!
7. The mom is very supportive of Hrithik, you can see that, but she
doesnt go into 'mere laal, ghar kab aaega, teri bahot yaad aa rahi
hai' kinda weepy filmy dialogues...just like normal moms!
8. All the songs could have been done with. Okay..if not all, atleast
two(kandhon se milte hain kandhein and kitni baatein yaad aati hai).
And before I forget, I liked the conversation between Hrithik and
Preity when he naively asks her why she loves as clueless fellow like
him(because you also wonder the same when you see how different they
are in the clarity of their purpose in life).
9. Hrithik's response to Preity's dad:)
10. The conversation between friends when hrithik decides to apply for
the army. So many of us were driven by what our friends chose as their
career...
11. When he calls Preity and tells her that he had finished his army
training.
and many other scenes..I cant of course write the whole movie here:)
What I like about Farhan's handling of cinema is that there is hardly
any melodrama(i wont say there is none, there is a little wee bit).
The dialogues are not filmi, situations are not filmi...they are very
casual and normal...when you see it on screen you can identify with
them. They are very clean movies, no unnecessary
sex/violence/abuse(bad words)/exposure. In both his movies, the women
are portrayed as strong individuals with a mind of their own.
The best part of the movie and so like Farhan: You never get to see
Udesh(or his photo)! I just knew that he would never be shown on
screen..and that it would just remain a name often mentioned!
I have written a post longer than I had intended, but I do feel that
it is a movie to be watched and Farhan is one of the most promising
directors of this generation. I hope more directors like him(and Ram
Gopal Verma) will emerge and soon trash like MASTI and MAIN HOON NA
will disappear.
About the music now, I cant not write...The music was good, but could
have been better. The best songs in my opinion is the title song 'haan
yahi rasta hai tera'. The next best is 'agar main kahun' and then
maybe 'main aisa kyun hun'(more for the choreography and hrithik's
dancing than the actual song). The other songs are okay, but nothing
to write home about... Shankar Ehsaan Loy are fast emerging as good
music directors(that appeal to the masses and the classes:)). The only
other two music directors that can give them a fight are ARR and
Sandesh Shandilya. The rest are too crappy to be mentioned.
I rest my case!
Neha
Arjun Pandit
> Of course you guys are right, about the whole economics of it... but
> my grouse is just that this made for a movie of uneven texture. While
> watching Gadar for instance, the pitch starts at 100% and stays there
> till the end. Here, the emotional graph was -- to me, at least --
very
> jerky and kept yanking me out of an otherwise very well-made film.
Fair enough from the consistency view point.
>
> Farhan Akhtar, like Mani Ratnam, is very urban, and I don't see why
> these guys make 20 cr. (Yuva) and 30 cr. (Lakshya) films, whose
> budgets necessitate compromises, rather than making lower budget
films
> that are targeted at urban markets. Do you respect sujoy Ghosh any
> less as a filmmaker because his Jhankaar Beats was a hit only in the
> cities?
Sujoy Ghosh is a bad example. This whole PNC factory is a fake and a
big marketing gimmick IMO. Their movies are no good and vastly oversold
to the audiences as realistic cinema, genuine cinema etc. Jhankaar
Beats was alright, but pretty silly in quiet a few portions. Again IMO.
Chameli was alright but it was a Sudhir Mishra show wholly. I was
having a look at JB again recently on TV, Rahul Bose looked so very
uncomfortable doing that role. Other movies of theirs starring Bose,
Nandita Das were all real *bad*
RGV Factory directors, perhaps yes. I immensely liked Shimit Amin's
debut film ATC. Lets see what he makes next. BTW, to what extent do you
think the RGV Factory directors are responsible for the output. ATC
seemed so RGVish.
>
> "Anyways"... just my thoughts ;-)
:-)
Baradwaj Rangan
>
> Sujoy Ghosh is a bad example. This whole PNC factory is a fake and a
> big marketing gimmick IMO.
I agree that a lot of PNC films are no-shows -- Chameli, for instance,
didn't do anything for me -- but I really liked JB. I loved its
freshness, the way it used aspects of Bollywood confidently without
becoming a slave to cliches. For a first-timer to make this movie was
very good, IMO.
> RGV Factory directors, perhaps yes. I immensely liked Shimit Amin's
> debut film ATC. Lets see what he makes next. BTW, to what extent do you
> think the RGV Factory directors are responsible for the output. ATC
> seemed so RGVish.
RGV, of course, is somewhere else. I can't wait to see both versions
of the forthcoming anil K flick -- Galti Se and Jaan Boojh Ke. ATC was
great, and I do think RGV had a hand in shaping the final product.
either that, or shimit Amin learned so much while sitting with RGV
during the editing of Company(?) that it's a subconscious RGV style.
Even Gayab looks like fun... and I never thought I'd say this about
something with Tusshar Kapoor in the lead.
Loony Tunes
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> Even Gayab looks like fun... and I never thought I'd say this about
> something with Tusshar Kapoor in the lead.
That's not a problem. He will be "Gayab" in (from) the movie. To his credit,
he was pretty decent in Khakee.
lt
Michel Hafner
>
> I am joining this discussion quite late, but since it concerns the
> work of my favorite director of current times, I must chime in with my
> opinions...
>
> First, I loved Lakshya. Yes there were scenes and cliches that could
> have been avoided..I think the story needed some work(but that was not
> Farhan's job, so I can excuse him this one), though that is Javed's
> problem.
>
> wants to Preity with a 'I miss you Romi' and they just stand there(no
> hug!! Bollywood movie and no hugging at parting!!! ). You can feel
> their feelings! Atleast I could! Maybe I was just too involved:)
Right.
Also what Farhan shows us after the Pakistanis have fled from the
peak. No hooray, big music, back patting etc.
3 exhausted battered people, one barely alive, one about to fall asleep on
the spot. (The pathos comes later with the flag raising.)
Arjun Pandit
Baradwaj Rangan wrote:
>
> RGV, of course, is somewhere else. I can't wait to see both versions
> of the forthcoming anil K flick -- Galti Se and Jaan Boojh Ke.
Same here. Chor Gupta has copied the idea and is releasing two versions
of his Musafir music.
> ATC was
> great, and I do think RGV had a hand in shaping the final product.
> either that, or shimit Amin learned so much while sitting with RGV
> during the editing of Company(?) that it's a subconscious RGV style.
>
> Even Gayab looks like fun... and I never thought I'd say this about
> something with Tusshar Kapoor in the lead.
Looks like newsgroups are getting to you. One day you write something
and next day you write something else :-). One day you write Tusshar is
great in Khakee and then you write you'd never think good of a movie
starring. You are lucky to be writing for print media, you dont have to
face idiots like Boresur who search your posts on Google and pull out
some article you wrote in say 1996 and claim you to be a hypocrite ;-)
Just kidding, enjoy.
As an aside, Milan Luthria seems to have come out with another decent
film in Deewar after Kacche Dhaage. With AB/Dutt in the lead and a
decent plot, could be a good movie.
JR
> > Hritik's dad (Bonnie Irani) walks on the treadmill. Hritik watches
> > DVD on 35 inch flat screen. Way too elitist for a common man in
> > Ambala or Kanpur to appreciate. that's why the sunny deol touch in
> > the second half, though it was bit jarring.
>
> Did you know that Jallandhar has the highest per capita income for
> Indian cities? I was really surprised when I read that (dont remember
> where). Ambala being close to Jallandhar may not be unaware of
> treadmills and flat tvs.
Since you're taking about my hometown, Jullundur, I can tell you some
things which will help you in understanding the high per capita
income. First, Punjab in itself has the highest per capita income of
all Indian states, except Goa, which has higher per capita income
mainly because of it's very small size. People make the mistake of
assuming that the high per capita income of Punjab economy is only due
to agriculture. That is one reason, but not the only one. Punjab also
has very significant small-scale industry, a majority of which is
concentrated around Ludhiana and Jullundur. Ludhiana is one of the
most heavily industrialized city in the north, and probably the most
polluted, rivaling Ahmedabad in that respect. Jullundur is smaller in
comparison but also has significant small-scale industry. One
advantage that Jullundur has is that for some reason it has managed to
generate a lot of NRIs. Almost every family has someone overseas. The
infusion of cash from abroad in combination with a very healthy
small-scale industry base has helped create a very vibrant local
economy. I would say that economically Ludhiana is bigger than
Jullundur but population wise it is almost 2-3 times as large,
therefore it's worse per capita. Whenever I go to India, I generally
visit both Mumbai and Jullundur because I have family in both cities.
As far as technological amenities are concerned, I see very little
difference in the two cities. In many other aspects they're worlds
apart.
JR
yeskay
> Hritik's dad (Bonnie Irani) walks on the treadmill. Hritik watches
> DVD on 35 inch flat screen.
What's with Farhan Akhtar and large flat screen TVs/Treadmills?
Even in DCH, he shows Aamir and friends watching one. Any idea he has
recycled the same TV or is it a different one? I think even in DCH,
Suchitra Pillai (Saif's first GF) is shown on a treadmill.
Shishir Yerramilli
I suppose,that in India,these are more common status symbols of upper
class wealth.Treadmills being indication of the fitness craze in
India?I have been to India off and on over the years,Im aware that the
disposable income and living standards for lower middle class and up
have increased tremendously.Can a middle class family afford a
treadmill,flat screen tv etc considering that today instead of
stashing money away in banks,Indians have become a little more wild
and spend money on luxury goods that they can just barely afford.
desesperanto
> I am joining this discussion quite late, but since it concerns the
> work of my favorite director of current times, I must chime in with my
> opinions...
i'm joining in even later, but since i just saw it, what the hey...
> The things I didnt like about the movie and wish were different:
> 1 Hrithik's hairstyle and exaggerated expressions when acting as a
> clueless, aimless confused youth.
yep. it really stood out against the naturalistic style of the rest of
the movie.
> 6 The muslim and sardar(who exchanged his good fortune with fellow
> soldier) neednt have died(that was the ultimate cliche).
of course they had to! bwahaha. same in deewaar (new one) -- the
muslim, the sikh, and the thamizhar die so they can prove their
loyalty to the nation, or to prove what happens when you hang out with
north indian hindus or something...
> 8. All the songs could have been done with.
the music was horrible! except for the somewhat campy soldiers sing
along, which was okay. the guitar slashing soundtrack was really
ear-hurting.
> What I like about Farhan's handling of cinema is that there is hardly
> any melodrama(i wont say there is none, there is a little wee bit).
> The dialogues are not filmi, situations are not filmi...they are very
> casual and normal...when you see it on screen you can identify with
> them. They are very clean movies, no unnecessary
> sex/violence/abuse(bad words)/exposure.
the situation wasn't filmi -- a middle-class college protestor turned
journo's boyfriend joins the army in kashmir and she doesn't raise one
or two questions? the situation was completely filmi! believe me, i
know enough of that type of person. in real life, she would ask about
encounter killings, he'd call her a pseudo secularist and it would all
end in tears. :-)
i have to say though that while i admired the naturalistic acting to a
certain extent, i found the movie bland. i mean, what's the big deal
in not having filmi dialogues -- i enjoy listening to lines that are
memorable and quotable and stylish. and i've always preferred indian
movies to hollywood movies because they have more style, more plot,
more characters, beautiful music... i couldn't believe that javed
akhtar who in sholay made every minor character so full of personality
wrote a movie in which only the hero and heroine have any personality,
and that too not that much.
compare to dev, which also had naturalistic acting, most of the music
in the background etc, but there was also some masala... of course i
also disagree with you that violence can ever be unnecessary (in
movies!).
Aditya Basrur
<snip>
> However the film goofed up big time in the climax. Per me
> it was a big geographical goof-up.
>
> Can u tell me which one?
No-one seems to have taken you up on this. I ended up seeing the film at the
cinema a second time, and tried to figure it out. I'm guessing that it was
the Pakistani soldiers pointing to the highway as "India's neck" despite the
highway appearing to be beyond where they'd shown the LoC. Just a wild one,
however.
I wasn't keen to see it a second time, and going late on a Friday night, I
was afraid I might fall asleep. In the event, I managed to stay awake and
rather interested throughout the film, which suggests that perhaps I was a
little harsh to start with. It's a good film to see with one's father.
Aditya
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> > However the film goofed up big time in the climax. Per me
> > it was a big geographical goof-up.
> >
> > Can u tell me which one?
>
> No-one seems to have taken you up on this. I ended up seeing the film at
the
> cinema a second time, and tried to figure it out. I'm guessing that it was
> the Pakistani soldiers pointing to the highway as "India's neck" despite
the
> highway appearing to be beyond where they'd shown the LoC. Just a wild
one,
> however.
rk had pointed out about the Savannah thing, which Kamesh explained. Here is
the conversation if you missed out http://tinyurl.com/24g72
>
> I wasn't keen to see it a second time, and going late on a Friday night, I
> was afraid I might fall asleep. In the event, I managed to stay awake and
> rather interested throughout the film, which suggests that perhaps I was a
> little harsh to start with. It's a good film to see with one's father.
As opposed to? The list that AP/Shishir generated a couple of days ago?
>
> Aditya
>
>
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> > <snip>
> > > However the film goofed up big time in the climax. Per me
> > > it was a big geographical goof-up.
> > >
> > > Can u tell me which one?
> >
> > No-one seems to have taken you up on this. I ended up seeing the film at
> the
> > cinema a second time, and tried to figure it out. I'm guessing that it
was
> > the Pakistani soldiers pointing to the highway as "India's neck" despite
> the
> > highway appearing to be beyond where they'd shown the LoC. Just a wild
> one,
> > however.
>
> rk had pointed out about the Savannah thing, which Kamesh explained. Here
is
> the conversation if you missed out http://tinyurl.com/24g72
Thanks. The savannah struck me as a bit strange both times, but there had
been grassy areas throughout the film. I read a piece on Ladakh in an
inflight magazine a few years ago, and it largely concurred with Kamesh's
views.
> >
> > I wasn't keen to see it a second time, and going late on a Friday night,
I
> > was afraid I might fall asleep. In the event, I managed to stay awake and
> > rather interested throughout the film, which suggests that perhaps I was
a
> > little harsh to start with. It's a good film to see with one's father.
>
> As opposed to? The list that AP/Shishir generated a couple of days ago?
Precisely. I'm sure Dad would enjoy those films, but probably not sitting
next to me (or vice versa). One of the major themes in Lakshya seems to be
about a disappointing son coming good. I think most sons feel they don't
entirely live up to their fathers' expectations, which gives the film
something of a universal quality.
I pulled out Tarzan the other day, because I remember being enraptured by
Kimi Katkar in a Superman ripoff around 1986. The film seemed CRAP right from
the start. It wasn't helped by the print. Kimi was nothing like as
good-looking as I might have thought as a three-year old. I watched the scene
by the river where supposedly she did a Mandakini, was thoroughly
disappointed and gave the film back.
Aditya
V
>
> Precisely. I'm sure Dad would enjoy those films, but probably not sitting
> next to me (or vice versa). One of the major themes in Lakshya seems to be
> about a disappointing son coming good. I think most sons feel they don't
> entirely live up to their fathers' expectations, which gives the film
> something of a universal quality.
>
Have you seen Kabhie Khushi Kabhie Gham? Even if you don;t like Shahrukh,
just watch it for the first few seconds where Amitabh says that a "baap apne
ebete ko nahi keh paata hai ki woh usse kitna pyar karta" and jaya says "
aur maa.. maa to kehti rehti hai, beta sune ya na sune." Pretty touching
those lines, considering I was watching that movie with my mom, our first
movie in a theatre after about 5 years.
> I pulled out Tarzan the other day, because I remember being enraptured by
> Kimi Katkar in a Superman ripoff around 1986.
That must be the "Dariya dil" with Govinda. The song was
Tu mera superman,
Main teri lady,
Ho gaya hai apna,
Pyar already.
>The film seemed CRAP right from
> the start. It wasn't helped by the print. Kimi was nothing like as
> good-looking as I might have thought as a three-year old. I watched the
scene
> by the river where supposedly she did a Mandakini, was thoroughly
> disappointed and gave the film back.
>
> Aditya
The movie was a B/C grade film. Became a superhit because of the Kimi
antics. That song "Tarzan my tarzan" was pretty hot by the normal standard
at that time. Just like what you'd probably call 'Murder'/Jism today, though
I suspect Murder/Jism have a better story, but the crowd initially flocked
towards them only because of the liberal attitudes of Bipasha and Mallika.
Baradwaj Rangan
> The movie was a B/C grade film. Became a superhit because of the Kimi
> antics. That song "Tarzan my tarzan" was pretty hot by the normal standard
Wasn't there another "hit" song -- mere paas aaoge... mujh ko tumhara
jaisa yaar chahiye... something? Think that was Alisha too, and the
picturisation had animals prancing around HB and KK.
Sandaas
> Have you seen Kabhie Khushi Kabhie Gham? Even if you don;t like Shahrukh,
> just watch it for the first few seconds where Amitabh says that a "baap apne
> ebete ko nahi keh paata hai ki woh usse kitna pyar karta" and jaya says "
> aur maa.. maa to kehti rehti hai, beta sune ya na sune." Pretty touching
> those lines, considering I was watching that movie with my mom, our first
> movie in a theatre after about 5 years.
Don't tell me about it :-) I brought my grandmother here in early
2002. We took K3G out at the video library. For a full week, she
watched the same film twice a day (although she made us forward
through the best bits - the Shava Shava dance with Rani, Rani's
scenes, etc. Man, Rani was at her most gorgeous in that film ... she's
put on a bit of weight in "Hum Tum".). I watched Lagaan at that time
as well, and she watched that with me as well, but nothing compared to
K3G in her estimation. She used to say things like "I hate it when
people talk during the final segments, because the words are so
meaningful." I was vomiting by the end of it. Although Amitabh's and
Jaya's delivery is good, it just feels too soppy.
I had the same issue with "Baghban" - I liked the songs there better,
but ended up watching it two or three times because my folks had the
VCD at home and various friends would come over on a Sunday afternoon
in Singapore and watch it. I watched it with my other grandmother in
Bombay at a cinema first time, and it was quite good then, but it
became less and less tolerable to hear his "kia kaha? kia kaha?"
dialogues. I can only take family sentimental stuff so much.
Somehow, I don't think it's quite as bad as Lakshya. The sentimental
scenes were few and understated, hence struck more of a chord. I know
my Dad won't kick me out of the house for marrying a girl he deems to
be of a lower social status (at the moment, I think he'd be relieved
to see me go out with a girl - any girl); I'm fairly sure I won't ever
cause my parents to live apart through my own selfishness - but I can
empathise with a father telling his son that the fruits of his labour
are for him or a son who feels he disappoints his father. Just my
$0.05.
Aditya [ Check your email. ] Basrur
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> > Have you seen Kabhie Khushi Kabhie Gham? Even if you don;t like
Shahrukh,
> > just watch it for the first few seconds where Amitabh says that a "baap
apne
> > ebete ko nahi keh paata hai ki woh usse kitna pyar karta" and jaya says
"
> > aur maa.. maa to kehti rehti hai, beta sune ya na sune." Pretty touching
> > those lines, considering I was watching that movie with my mom, our
first
> > movie in a theatre after about 5 years.
>
> Don't tell me about it :-) I brought my grandmother here in early
> 2002. We took K3G out at the video library. For a full week, she
> watched the same film twice a day (although she made us forward
> through the best bits - the Shava Shava dance with Rani, Rani's
> scenes, etc. Man, Rani was at her most gorgeous in that film ... she's
> put on a bit of weight in "Hum Tum".). I watched Lagaan at that time
> as well, and she watched that with me as well, but nothing compared to
> K3G in her estimation. She used to say things like "I hate it when
> people talk during the final segments, because the words are so
> meaningful." I was vomiting by the end of it. Although Amitabh's and
> Jaya's delivery is good, it just feels too soppy.
>
I think your grandma has a better taste in movies.
> I had the same issue with "Baghban" - I liked the songs there better,
> but ended up watching it two or three times because my folks had the
> VCD at home and various friends would come over on a Sunday afternoon
> in Singapore and watch it. I watched it with my other grandmother in
> Bombay at a cinema first time, and it was quite good then, but it
> became less and less tolerable to hear his "kia kaha? kia kaha?"
> dialogues. I can only take family sentimental stuff so much.
Baghban got a bit too preachy. And extremely boring. They showed the kids
going overboard with mistreating the parents. The songs were nice, but
besides the slow storyline, I think they made a mistake by taking those TV
actors as sons. They were just horrible. I think guys like Arbaaz Khan and
Sanjay Kapoor would have done a much better job. Someone like Asrani was
totally wasted.
> Somehow, I don't think it's quite as bad as Lakshya. The sentimental
> scenes were few and understated, hence struck more of a chord. I know
> my Dad won't kick me out of the house for marrying a girl he deems to
> be of a lower social status (at the moment, I think he'd be relieved
> to see me go out with a girl - any girl); I'm fairly sure I won't ever
> cause my parents to live apart through my own selfishness - but I can
> empathise with a father telling his son that the fruits of his labour
> are for him or a son who feels he disappoints his father. Just my
> $0.05.
Haven't seen Lakshya (just bits and pieces on hindijoy.com courtesy CiL).
Would watch when the DVD is out. Somehow Hrithik Roshan is getting
repetitive. Main prem ki Diwani hoon was on TV the other day, and it seemed
like Hrithik Roshan is only playing the retard these days. MPKDH, Koi Mil
gaya and Lakshya. His dialogue delivery/movements etc seemed extremely
similar.
> Aditya [ Check your email. ] Basrur
I always do. About 300 times a day.
V
Yup, that was "mere paas aaoge, mere saath nachoge". by Alisha. Then there
was the "Ban gaye tum gentleman" song. The male singer in that movie was
Vijay Benedict, another hot favourite of Bappi Lahiri, who I believe did the
music for this movie.
BTW, Just finished watching Trikal. It has four actors who've actually made
a name for themselves as a singer. Can anyone quickly name those four
without looking it up?
yeskay
> "Baradwaj Rangan" <b_ra...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>>"V" <vr...@verizon.netREMOVE> wrote in message news:<1saIc.61693>
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>>>The movie was a B/C grade film. Became a superhit because of the Kimi
>>>antics. That song "Tarzan my tarzan" was pretty hot by the normal
>
> standard
>
>>Wasn't there another "hit" song -- mere paas aaoge... mujh ko tumhara
>>jaisa yaar chahiye... something? Think that was Alisha too, and the
>>picturisation had animals prancing around HB and KK.
>
>
> Yup, that was "mere paas aaoge, mere saath nachoge". by Alisha. Then there
> was the "Ban gaye tum gentleman" song. The male singer in that movie was
> Vijay Benedict, another hot favourite of Bappi Lahiri, who I believe did the
> music for this movie.
>
Both these songs are sung by a Uttara Kelkar and not Alisha.
I think there was another famous song 'Ji Le Le" which was
copied from a Tamil song from Vetrivel.
V
http://www.raaga.com/channels/hindi/movie/H000543.html
So the first one is Alisha, while the second one is Uttara Kelkar. I believe
Alisha also sang for the Mithun movie Dance Dance, ( the one the famous
Halwa wala aa gaya song) music Bappi Lahiri, which got me confused. Alisha
sang the Mandakini song, Aapke saamne pehli baar aayi hoon.
V
V
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>
> X-No-archive: yes
> > BTW, Just finished watching Trikal. It has four actors who've actually
> made
> > a name for themselves as a singer. Can anyone quickly name those four
> > without looking it up?
>
> Alisha from a similar quiz long ago.
> (The question then was to answer what was common to the three, other than
> the fact that they are singers)
>
> Dont know about the 4th. Calls for another viewing I guess.
The movie is pretty enjoyable if you like such movies, so no harm in trying
it again. I saw it when I was about 10 years old, and still remembered the
"Vijay Singh Rane" scene, and Remo playing aguitar while someone is singing
on the streets.
The four singers in this movie are Remo, Alisha, Illa Arun and Lucky Ali.
Infact Lucky Ali has a more substantial role than the others. I believe he
was credited as Masoom Ali. Looked pretty young.
V
PS: If Alisha was 22 then, is she about 42 now? Is she married? She looked
pretty cute back then.
Cricfan
>
> I got to agree 100%. The first half was way too suave and urban.
> I mean Preity talks to her finance "anyways". Anyways!!!! Have
> Indians started using grammatically incorrect English just to sound
> cool. Must be true in delhi/mumbai/b'lore. I have heard from desi
> folks in america, but that's still better bcos we are here. Back in
> India???? [ sorry for the rambling, but "anyways" puts me off ]
"Anyways" was quite common in the mid-90's too. At least in Mumbai and
Bangalore, where I have heard it used. Even before the advent of cable
tv, the draconian word "like" was used in sentences in college
campuses throughout India. "Cool" has been common since the early
80's. The power of Hollywood?
>
> Hritik's dad (Bonnie Irani) walks on the treadmill. Hritik watches
> DVD on 35 inch flat screen. Way too elitist for a common man in
> Ambala or Kanpur to appreciate. that's why the sunny deol touch in
> the second half, though it was bit jarring.
> { I am sure DCH wud have been a hit only in big cities }
>
Farhan seems to be fixated on the really wealthy background of his
characters. Apart from treadmills and flat screens, the other
noticeable signs of splendour are:
(I) every one eats in five star restaurants
(ii) every home has furnishings that would make the designer of the
Thomasville catalogue go green with envy. My wife and I sigh everytime
we see the magnificent furniture, paintings, plants, pottery etc.
(iii) everyone wears designer clothes -especially the really expensive
ones
(iv) wedding celebrations are rich, classy and have lots of well
dressed people.
(v) Akhtar's women always drink wine. [Which, btw, is a habit I admire
:-)]
Having said that, Akhtar's is not an in your face opulence. He is
classy and not crass a la Karan Johar/Bansali.
Anyway, much like Gulzar's characters, Akhtar's women are reasonably
independent and have good taste, strength of character and are
successful. Both his male and female characters are not perfect. In
other words, his characters are very human, with all their flaws and
are not heroic. [Zinta was clearly modeled after Barkha Dutt]
Yes, Lakshya had its flaws and could have been better. But I'm glad
that it was matter of fact and not overtly jingoistic.
[I still recall the words of the late Capt. Vikram Batra to Barkha
Dutt on NDTV when he paraphrased the Pepsi ad slogan "Yeh Dil Maange
More"]
Incidentally, when I went to India last December, I had the
opportunity to tape a 2 hour New Year special programme of Barkha Dutt
& Aamir Khan in Kargil/Drass. He accompanied her to all the places she
had been and spent time with the soldiers - singing songs, answering
their questions, dancing, playing cricket at the world's highest
cricket field etc. In fact, the team he played against was led by a
Capt. Zinta - yes, Preity's brother in real life. I've got the
programme on tape here. :-)
Cheers
Arun
Cricfan
>
> AB is AB. He gave some natural touch, for which I am not even sure
> director can be credited. he must have done it extempore.
> for e.g. when Hritik tells him over the
> phone the coordinates of Pakistani bunkers (they bait them to reveal
> their locations), AB listens over the phone and indicates on the map
> to OmPuri where to mark it. In one scene, when OP gets bit slow to
> write it down, he says in bit of an exasperation "yahan yahan likho likho".
> I found it very natural. I also found his remark to OP about 10 seconds
> delay "that coming from experience" natural. he gave that personal touch.
>
I also liked the director's touch when Hritik talks about the hill
being his objective during a very emotional scene with Preity. Hritik
was superb in that scene. I saw it in a theatre and his expression on
the screen is superb. Ditto with AB when he hears about the recapture
of the hill. You can almost feel as if he wants to break into a jig
but restrains himself and asks his subordinate to send a message to
the Brigadier.
>
> >I however liked it when Sushant Singh lost his temper when Preity
> >Zinta was talking about peace and love and how war is not the answer.
>
> that was someone else, not sushant singh. it was effective. also plenty
> of attacks at pakistan, like pak soliders dressed up as civials. pak army
> refusing to accept their bodies etc.
>
This was true. Many of the bodies of Indian soldiers were mutilated.
It was ghastly. Yet, the Indian army buried their dead with full
military honors. Remember, at this point, Pakistan refused to
acknowledge that its regulars were involved in the war.
The other interesting aspect of Kargil was the number of officers lost
by India. As a proportion of total officers lost/enlisted men, it was
very high.
> However the film goofed up big time in the climax. Per me it was a big
> geographical goof-up. Can u tell me which one?
I saw your other post where you mention the elephant grass. IIRC, they
showed a lot of forests in other scenes. Also, during the initial
scene, Zutshi informs Hritik that they vacate their posts during
winter, but occupy them in summer. The battle was fought in May. So I
would say Akhtar did not goof up.
Btw, here's a pic of the Indian flag being hoisted on top of "Gun
Hill"
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/LAND-FORCES/Army/Images-1999b.html
and more details of the war are here
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/LAND-FORCES/Army/History/1999War/index.html
Interestingly, I recall reading in India Today during the war about
the rations that the Indian soldiers ate during the war - it was gud
and dal (jaggery and lentils). The idea was to give them carbs for
endurance and also ensure that they did not have to er..excrete for
2-3 days on end.
The goof up, imho, was the number of times Hritik keeps coming back to
base instead of staying up at the bunkers which they occupy after the
loss of so many lives.
Cheers
Arun
Cricfan
> Right.
> Also what Farhan shows us after the Pakistanis have fled from the
> peak. No hooray, big music, back patting etc.
> 3 exhausted battered people, one barely alive, one about to fall asleep on
> the spot. (The pathos comes later with the flag raising.)
Here's a link to the story of Capt. Vikram Batra. Some interesting insights
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/LAND-FORCES/Army/Articles/Article20.html
Arun
Michel Hafner
Michel Hafner
> I also liked the director's touch when Hritik talks about the hill
> being his objective during a very emotional scene with Preity. Hritik
> was superb in that scene. I saw it in a theatre and his expression on
> the screen is superb. Ditto with AB when he hears about the recapture
> of the hill. You can almost feel as if he wants to break into a jig
> but restrains himself and asks his subordinate to send a message to
> the Brigadier.
it loud and in your face.
Watch Bachchan's face when he sees Roshan the first time.
The basketball shot (why is it there?).
Watch Irani's face when his son comes home as lieutenant.
Study the film's title font design.
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