Northern Stars in Southern Films
Baradwaj Rangan
the South, but heroes don't manage to. I'm meeting people in this
regard, but thought I'd post this on RAMLI as well.
I'm looking for help to jog my memory on this subject, from Tamil,
Kannada, Malayalam and Telugu film fans -- the names of
heroes/heroines who succeeded/failed. The names of the films that made
them stars, maybe even the ones that wiped out their careers. It's not
restricted to any era.
I've found out, for instance, that Lara Datta's doing a Tamil film
now, and we all know about Khushboo/Jothika/Simran in Tamil. But the
only actors that come to mind are those that do villain roles, eg
Ashish Vidyarthi's made a name for himself in Tamil films. Salim
Ghouse used to do bad man roles. I think Rahul Dev too did something
recently.
Any tidbits/information will be much appreciated. Thanks.
Cricketislife!
wrote:
>I'm writing something on how heroines from the North make it big in
>the South, but heroes don't manage to. I'm meeting people in this
>regard, but thought I'd post this on RAMLI as well.
I think the link covers most of the heroines
http://www.dinakaran.com/cinema/english/gossip/06-03-99/heroines.htm
CIL
Just like heroines from South do better than their male counterparts,
when acting in Hindi movies. It is the female ka 'badan' that sells
across the country to satisy the lust and 'jollu' of the men all over
India!
Nach Basanti Nach!
Arjun Pandit
> I've found out, for instance, that Lara Datta's doing a Tamil film
> now, and we all know about Khushboo/Jothika/Simran in Tamil. But the
> only actors that come to mind are those that do villain roles, eg
> Ashish Vidyarthi's made a name for himself in Tamil films. Salim
> Ghouse used to do bad man roles. I think Rahul Dev too did something
> recently.
You can add Sayaji Shinde. IIRC Anil Kapoor made his debut with a
Telugu Film. And technically Madhavan is a northie (Hindi serial
background right?) doing pretty well in Southern films. Naseer/Smita
Patil have acted in some Kannada movies I think.
The reverse is quite true as well. No Southern hero has done well in
Hindi films, but heroines have.
Arjun Pandit
>
> Any tidbits/information will be much appreciated. Thanks.
Sharad Saxena also acts in a lot of Telugu movies as villain.
Shishir Yerramilli
> On 7 Aug 2003 19:32:45 -0700, b_ra...@hotmail.com (Baradwaj Rangan)
> wrote:
>
> >I'm writing something on how heroines from the North make it big in
> >the South, but heroes don't manage to. I'm meeting people in this
> >regard, but thought I'd post this on RAMLI as well.
I think the simple reason is looks,that is not to South Indians are
less attractive but they place less emphasis on looks of heroes.They
are not unusual in this regard.Americans often make fun of French and
Italian actors who dont look too good most of the time(exceptions like
Alain Delon and Marcello Mastroiani),well look at the popular French
weirdo Gerard Depardieu!Of course French and Italians actresses are
usually hot like many of South(and north) actresses!
>
> I think the link covers most of the heroines
>
> http://www.dinakaran.com/cinema/english/gossip/06-03-99/heroines.htm
>
>
>
> CIL
>
> Just like heroines from South do better than their male counterparts,
> when acting in Hindi movies. It is the female ka 'badan' that sells
> across the country to satisy the lust and 'jollu' of the men all over
> India!
>
> Nach Basanti Nach!
The earliest example I remember was when Sanjeev Kumar had a breif
role in a Telugu film with Sharada.He spoke Telugu himself.Anil Kapoor
was in Maniratnams first film Pallavi Anu Pallavi,it was in
Kannada.The villain Mahesh Anand is a regular staple in Telugu
films.Puneet Issar is also popular in Tamil and Telugu films,well he
used to be ,havent seen him in a long time.Mukesh Rishi is popular in
Telugu films as a father,brother etc.I think he won a South Filmfare
award for his role in Narasimha Naidu.The guys who played Arjun and
Bhishma in the TV series Mahabharata were popular in the 90's are
villains and character actors mostly in Tamil and Malayalam
films.Paresh Rawal had meaty roles in RGV's Telugu films like Kshana
Kshanam,Govinda Govinda,Money and Money Money.You mentioned Salim
Ghouse.He was in Maniratnams Thiruda Thiruda(along with Anu Agarwal)
,RGVs Antam(Drohi in Hindi) and some mostly bad Telugu movies.Akash
Khurana and Tinnu Anand also had brief appearances in Manirathnams
Bombay as a Muslim and Hindu(based on Bal Thackeray) extremists.Akash
Khurana was also in Antam ,while Tinu Anand was in Maniratnams
Nayakan.Priyadarsans Kalapaani had Amrish Puri(again very popular in
South),Anu Kapoor.Of course these characters spoke in Hindi
mostly.Chiranjeevis 1990 movie Kondaveeti Simham had Pran,Sonam and I
think Kiran Kumar.Thats all I remember at the moment.
Shishir Yerramilli
> b_ra...@hotmail.com (Baradwaj Rangan) wrote in message news:<c04b79a9.03080...@posting.google.com>...
>
> > I've found out, for instance, that Lara Datta's doing a Tamil film
> > now, and we all know about Khushboo/Jothika/Simran in Tamil. But the
> > only actors that come to mind are those that do villain roles, eg
> > Ashish Vidyarthi's made a name for himself in Tamil films. Salim
> > Ghouse used to do bad man roles. I think Rahul Dev too did something
> > recently.
>
> You can add Sayaji Shinde.
In fact he played the role of Subramaniam Bharati!
IIRC Anil Kapoor made his debut with a
> Telugu Film. And technically Madhavan is a northie (Hindi serial
> background right?) doing pretty well in Southern films. Naseer/Smita
> Patil have acted in some Kannada movies I think.
Amol Palekar also acted in Kannada films.Naseer also acted in a
Malayalam movie called Pothan Mada in which he portrayed an
Irishman!Mammooty won a National award for that film.Suniel Shetty
also recently acted in a Malayalam film directed by Priyadarsan.
habshi
while men look tribal.
On 7 Aug 2003 19:32:45 -0700, b_ra...@hotmail.com (Baradwaj Rangan)
wrote:
I'm writing something on how heroines from the North make it big in
Loony Tunes
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Add Amrish Puri, Paresh Rawal, Juhi Chawla (Kannada - PremaLoka, Telugu -
Vicki Baba), Simran, Priya Gill, Preeti Jhangiani, Sonali Bendre (almost
regular now), Nagma (was No 1 at some time) and many more
-k
yeskay
>
> > I've found out, for instance, that Lara Datta's doing a Tamil film
> > now, and we all know about Khushboo/Jothika/Simran in Tamil. But the
> > only actors that come to mind are those that do villain roles, eg
> > Ashish Vidyarthi's made a name for himself in Tamil films. Salim
> > Ghouse used to do bad man roles. I think Rahul Dev too did something
> > recently.
>
> You can add Sayaji Shinde. IIRC Anil Kapoor made his debut with a
> Telugu Film. And technically Madhavan is a northie (Hindi serial
> background right?) doing pretty well in Southern films. Naseer/Smita
> Patil have acted in some Kannada movies I think.
Juhi Chawla's first movie was a horrible kannada opposite Ravi Chandran.
She was called 'Julie'.
PrithiviRaj Kapoor, Pran, Smita Patil, NShah, Om Puri, Nandita Das,
Shakti Kapoor, Sonali Bendre, Shilpa Shetty have all acted in Kannada
movies.
> The reverse is quite true as well. No Southern hero has done well in
> Hindi films, but heroines have.
KH, Rajnikanth, Venkatesh, Nagarjuna, Chiranjeevi have all have atleast one
hit movie (some even have super-hit) in Hindi. But the otherway around,
no NI hero has had any success in SI.
Drive Like Crazy
sayaji shinde also played villain in dhool (tamil). i saw sunil shetty's
name mentioned in a malayalam movie, he also played a guest role in 12B
(tamil).
rahul dev played villain in arjun's latest parasuram (tamil).
jyothika IIRC also made her debut in doli saja ke rakhna, but is one of
the big players in tamil right now.
the only tamil hero who has enjoyed moderate success in hindi films
would be kamal (he did only a handful). ofcourse mohanlal did an awesome
job in company, where his mallu accent made his part surreal. among
heroines, vyjayanthimala migrated north and had outstanding success as
an actress. i do think its largely a language problem (eventhough
dubbing takes care of that for most part) for south indian
actors/actresses, and the main reason that bollywood hotties do so well
in south indian films is that they are required to speak less :-).
Ram Jaane
> I'm writing something on how heroines from the North make it big in
> the South, but heroes don't manage to.
Simply because no one has attempted to venture into South
films save for one or two who were experimenting before
their debut in Hindi film industry. Also, South film directors
would like to put up their own(so to speak) as the Hero as
he is the central protoganist of the film. They need good looking
North heroines just to add glamour to the film.
OTOH, many South heroes have tried to venture into Hindi
films but failed to notch up recognition. Kamal Haasan
failed, so did Rajnikanth. Kamal is more recognised for
his unique roles like Nayakan or Appu Raja than a normal
Hindi film hero. Chiranjeevi, Venkatesh and Nagarjuna
also tried but they all failed to get recognition save
for a hit here and there. Mammooty failed too. South heroines
have always done well in Hindi industry save for the last
decade because they were very good dancers.
Lastly, there is a major difference between the North
and South Heroes. North Heroes are either dashing and
charming in their looks and roles and the action heroes
among them are more macho than their southern counterparts.
South Heroesfit more into the simple fellow roles which are
rural-based or the man next door roles or the ones which
require crowd-pulling stunt antics like that of Rajnikanth.
One type can't replace the other.
RJ
Ram Jaane
Abbas of Tamil films is from Mumbai.
RJ
Sydney Assbasket
>films but failed to notch up recognition. Kamal Haasan
>failed, so did Rajnikanth.
Didn't Rajini do several Hindi films? Hum, Andha Kanoon, Geraftaar, among
others.
>Lastly, there is a major difference between the North
>and South Heroes. North Heroes are either dashing and
>charming in their looks and roles and the action heroes
>among them are more macho than their southern counterparts.
>South Heroesfit more into the simple fellow roles which are
>rural-based or the man next door roles or the ones which
>require crowd-pulling stunt antics like that of Rajnikanth.
>One type can't replace the other.
IOW, Southern heroes aren't so good looking. Worst case scenario is Vijaykanth
:-)
Rahul Dev, Bipasha Basu, and Lisa Ray were in the Telugu film Takkari Donga.
Nandita Das was in Azhagi and Kannathil Muthamittal
Reema Sen regularly acts in Tamil (and Telugu) movies, though I don't think
she's a star in the North.
Atul Kulkarni was the villain in Run.
Sayaji Shinde was in Bharathi.
I read on Sify that Raveena Tandon is doing a Malayalam film.
Remove "moc" to reply.
Whoever says "Nothing is impossible" has never tried to slam a
revolving door.
- Willy Walker
Muthu
"Tamil Movies: Flesh Trade by any Name"
http://www.geocities.com/tamiltribune/03/0302.html
Ram Jaane
> Didn't Rajini do several Hindi films? Hum, Andha Kanoon, Geraftaar, among
> others.
Yeah but in almost every one of those films he was a side hero.
Movies like Uttar Dakshin, John Jaani Janardhan, Bhagwan
Dada etc where he was the main hero flopped miserably.
> IOW, Southern heroes aren't so good looking. Worst case scenario is Vijaykanth
> :-)
:-). Some other Vijaykanth types are Murali, Parthibaan and Manoj
(who i think is son of Bharthiraja) and even Vijay. One other
thing is the moustache factor. Almost all Southern heroes have
mosutaches while the reverse is true for Northern heroes. South
heroes with moustaches typically don't fit the regular Hindi
film hero bill.
RJ
Raghu Jetley
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>
>> Didn't Rajini do several Hindi films? Hum, Andha Kanoon, Geraftaar,
>> among others.
>
> Yeah but in almost every one of those films he was a side hero.
> Movies like Uttar Dakshin, John Jaani Janardhan, Bhagwan
> Dada etc where he was the main hero flopped miserably.
Actually JJJ was a hit.
I distinctly remember coz there were articles about how Rajni succeeded
where Amitabh & Dilip Kumar had failed - doing a successfull triple
role.
Anyway, these are Ibosnetwork also reports it as a hit.
karthika
wives and want little WHITE color. For example Sinna Samy alias BharathiRaja
introduced fair colored women in his films. Now he bark like a mad dog for
TAMIL.( He looks like an african PIGMY)
Can't this BharathiRaja or others find a good looking TAMIL (Though they are
dark) girls among the biggest population 50 million Tamils?
Tamils hate their own color.
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Shishir Yerramilli
Actually he is from Bangalore.But he is not Tamil
>
> RJ
Shishir Yerramilli
> Arjun Pandit wrote:
> >
> > > I've found out, for instance, that Lara Datta's doing a Tamil film
> > > now, and we all know about Khushboo/Jothika/Simran in Tamil. But the
> > > only actors that come to mind are those that do villain roles, eg
> > > Ashish Vidyarthi's made a name for himself in Tamil films. Salim
> > > Ghouse used to do bad man roles. I think Rahul Dev too did something
> > > recently.
> >
> > You can add Sayaji Shinde. IIRC Anil Kapoor made his debut with a
> > Telugu Film. And technically Madhavan is a northie (Hindi serial
> > background right?) doing pretty well in Southern films. Naseer/Smita
> > Patil have acted in some Kannada movies I think.
>
> Juhi Chawla's first movie was a horrible kannada opposite Ravi Chandran.
> She was called 'Julie'.
Aruna Irani acted in a Kannada movie that was a remake of Beta.Om
Puri,I am told is a staple as a cop in Kannada movies.
>
> > The reverse is quite true as well. No Southern hero has done well in
> > Hindi films, but heroines have.
>
> KH, Rajnikanth, Venkatesh, Nagarjuna, Chiranjeevi have all have atleast one
> hit movie (some even have super-hit) in Hindi. But the otherway around,
> no NI hero has had any success in SI.
If you consider Rajnikanth as Shivaji Rao Gaekwad from Kolhapur ,then
thats one.But to consider Maharashtra as "north" is iffy in the first
place as it is very similar to Karnataka in culture,language etc.
>
Ram Jaane
> Actually JJJ was a hit.
> I distinctly remember coz there were articles about how Rajni succeeded
> where Amitabh & Dilip Kumar had failed - doing a successfull triple
> role.
Maybe. I don't remember everything from that time.
But Rajni did feature in a lot of flop films. I
remember another movie called "something ka Badshah"
which also had Sridevi and the movie was so pathetic.
BTW, many of Rajni's hit Tamil films in 80s were copies
of AB films like Satya(Don i think), Billa,
Panakaran(Lawaris), Velakaran(Coolie) etc. He also
starred in that copy of Qurabani(i think it was called
something like Vidudalai).
Movies like Geraftaar and Andha Kanoon were hits because of
Amitabh's performance. Actually, Geraftaar lists AB in
special appearance and he comes in the middle of the movie.
Kamal is listed as main Hero. But AB so totally dominates
from the time he comes that the movie ends up with him as
the main character. This must be one unique thing to happen
in movies. And then Andha Kanoon also had AB in special
appearance and Rajni is the main hero but AB's intense
performance especially the court scene were the main reasons
for the movie's success(as people used to talk those days).
The movies where i liked Rajni were his movies in late 80s
like Rajati Raja, Raja Chinna Roja and some of his early
movies like Apoorava Ragangal(his debut i think) and
some movie where he is extremely serious character(gets raw
deal from his brothers..very serious movie i don't remember
the name). He was so repetetive and boring in Veera, Uzhaipaali,
Baasha, Padayappa etc.
RJ
Ram Jaane
> > IOW, Southern heroes aren't so good looking. Worst case scenario is Vijaykanth
> > :-)
>
> :-). Some other Vijaykanth types are Murali, Parthibaan and Manoj
> (who i think is son of Bharthiraja) and even Vijay. One other
> thing is the moustache factor. Almost all Southern heroes have
> mosutaches while the reverse is true for Northern heroes. South
> heroes with moustaches typically don't fit the regular Hindi
> film hero bill.
I also need to add that while South heroes may not be
dashing, that dosen't generally mean they are not good looking.
Mammooty looks good, Kamalahaasan Iyengar looked good(unless he
removes his moustache when he starts looking like a Hijra),
Jayaram Iyer looks cute and chubby, Kartik looks good etc.
South heroines always looked very good like Hema Malini Iyengar,
Vyjantimala, Padmini, Rekha Ganesan Iyer even though she may be
a bit dusky, Sridevi Ayappan started looking good after she got
her chapta nose operated etc etc.
RJ
>
>
> RJ
Drive Like Crazy
> Maybe. I don't remember everything from that time.
> But Rajni did feature in a lot of flop films. I
> remember another movie called "something ka Badshah"
> which also had Sridevi and the movie was so pathetic.
> BTW, many of Rajni's hit Tamil films in 80s were copies
> of AB films like Satya(Don i think),
satya starred kamal. it was similar to the sunny deol starrer "arjun",
though i dont know which was the remake. rajini also played "sonny
corleone's" character in "aatank hi aatank" (a bastardised version of
the GodFather that would've had coppola/puzo running for their dear
lives) that had aamir khan in the lead (no prizes for guessing the fate
of that one).
most of kamal's hindi movies have done atleast reasonably well. its just
helped that he had some other good actors in it too, cant fault him for
that. eg: saagar, chachi 420, ek duje ke liye.
and
> some movie where he is extremely serious character(gets raw
> deal from his brothers..very serious movie i don't remember
> the name).
"dharmadurai"
He was so repetetive and boring in Veera, Uzhaipaali,
> Baasha, Padayappa etc.
>
baasha & padayappa were good fun. its not worthwile to read too much
into rajini's recent movies, they're just good entertainers (watch &
forget category). i thought some of the movies that did real justice to
his acting potential were thillu-mullu (remake of gol-maal), apoorva
ragangal, avargal, 16 vayathinile (he plays a negative roles in all
three), johnny and thalapathi.
rkusenet
"Drive Like Crazy" <steepest...@yahoo.com> wrote
>
> baasha & padayappa were good fun. its not worthwile to read too much
> into rajini's recent movies, they're just good entertainers (watch &
> forget category). i thought some of the movies that did real justice to
> his acting potential were thillu-mullu (remake of gol-maal),
I have seen thillu-mullu and Goolmaal. Rajnikant was much better
than Amol Palekar and Thengai Srinivasan was zillion times better
than Utpal Dutt. His interview with a candidate named 'bharatiar'
is an all time classic.
Rajni was damn good in comedy and villian. I loved him in Johnny,
Avargal and other movies up until mid 1980s. Once he overtook
Kamal (around 1985) and became a superstart, he started playing
to the gallery and declined.
rk-
rkusenet
"Drive Like Crazy" <steepest...@yahoo.com> wrote
> satya starred kamal. it was similar to the sunny deol starrer "arjun",
> though i dont know which was the remake.
arjun - 1985
satya - 1988
satya was a horrible remake of arjun. I hated it.
except for lovely song "vala osai", there was
nothing in that film.
the problem with arjun was sunny's wooden acting. the problem with
satya was kamal's overacting. Plus kamal in 1988 didn't exactly
look like an unemployed youth looking for work.
Arjun was a great movie. In the genre of gangster movies,
this is one of the best movies. of course not as good
as Satya (the 1998 hindi movie starring manoj vajpai),but
nevertheless v.good. I would rate it above Nayagan,Agneepath
etc. The characterization of all characters was excellent.
BTW that was the first movie of Paresh Rawal as Ansu Bhai
something.
rk-
Ram Jaane
> satya starred kamal.
Or was it Johnny i was referring to?
> most of kamal's hindi movies have done atleast reasonably well. its just
> helped that he had some other good actors in it too, cant fault him for
> that. eg: saagar, chachi 420, ek duje ke liye.
EDKL was remake of his tamil hit with Bharthiraja with the same
director making it all over again. Chachi 420 was a Hindi
version of Avvai Shanmugi(ironical since the original itself
was a copy) being made all over again and he was in a unique
role there. You forgot Hindustani(Indian) which did quiet well
too where too he was in a unique role. He has done well
in his remakes in unique roles.
Sagar had Rishi Kapoor in the lead and Kamal was the side hero so
to speak. Anyways, he never fitted into the regular Hindi film
hero bill successfully(i think he was also not successful in
Tamil masala films in 80s and hence the shift to unique
disguise-changing roles). Sanam Teri Kasam, Yeh To Kamaal Ho gaya(or
something like that)
had him in the main role and both didn't do too well.
> "dharmadurai"
Thanks. He was really good in that movie.
> baasha & padayappa were good fun. its not worthwile to read too much
> into rajini's recent movies,
I never read too much into any Rajni movie. But still Padayappa
and Baasha etc are the limits of tolerance-testing not to mention
Baba. The Baasha dialogue "Oru Duravu Sonna Nooru Duravu Sonna maari"
repeated umpteeen times in the movie had me in splits all over.
> thillu-mullu (remake of gol-maal), apoorva
> ragangal, avargal, 16 vayathinile (he plays a negative roles in all
> three), johnny and thalapathi.
He had a good role in Dalapati but was overshadowed totally by
Mammooty for the time they were together in the movie.
RJ
rkusenet
> EDKL was remake of his tamil hit with Bharthiraja with the same
> director making it all over again.
K Balachandran. Not Bharthiraja. The original was Maro Charitra.
> Chachi 420 was a Hindi
> version of Avvai Shanmugi(ironical since the original itself
> was a copy) being made all over again and he was in a unique
> role there.
Avai Shanmugi was much better than Mrs Doubtfire because
the indianisation was well done. There wasn't any Manivannan
character in Mrs Doubtfire. In fact of characters were added
to the original story.
> Sagar had Rishi Kapoor in the lead and Kamal was the side hero so
> to speak.
does not matter. Kamal went away with accolades and sympathy.
In Namak Haraam, Rajesh Khanna was the hero. But it was AB who
went away with accolades and sympathy.
rk-
Drive Like Crazy
> Avai Shanmugi was much better than Mrs Doubtfire because
> the indianisation was well done. There wasn't any Manivannan
> character in Mrs Doubtfire. In fact of characters were added
> to the original story.
i have to agree with that. nagesh, nassar, delhi ganesh, gemini were all
just awesome..and manivannan's (mudhaliar) timing was uncanny, the
highlight being the scene where the pettai crowd beats up delhi ganesh.
excellent movie. though the hindi remake didn't quite have the same
comic value (the jokes had to be heard in tamil) johnny walker, om puri
and paresh rawal in their respective roles pretty much held their own.
Drive Like Crazy
> EDKL was remake of his tamil hit with Bharthiraja with the same
> director making it all over again.
i've seen both maro-charitha and ekdl, and to be perfectly honest they
were both well made (balachandar directed both versions).
You forgot Hindustani(Indian) which did quiet well
> too where too he was in a unique role. He has done well
> in his remakes in unique roles.
i thought indian was just dubbed! i think it did reasonably.
>
> Sagar had Rishi Kapoor in the lead and Kamal was the side hero so
> to speak. Anyways, he never fitted into the regular Hindi film
> hero bill successfully(i think he was also not successful in
> Tamil masala films in 80s and hence the shift to unique
> disguise-changing roles). Sanam Teri Kasam, Yeh To Kamaal Ho gaya(or
> something like that)
> had him in the main role and both didn't do too well.
well, other than saagar, none of the other movies had a decent
story-line even. i think kamal was just trying to experiment like any
other good actor, by being venturesome..and probably found more
fulfillment in the south. have you seen chanakyan (malayalam)?? kamal
does have this tendency to dominate though, and things probably did not
work out the way he wanted them to in bollywood.
> I never read too much into any Rajni movie. But still Padayappa
> and Baasha etc are the limits of tolerance-testing not to mention
> Baba. The Baasha dialogue "Oru Duravu Sonna Nooru Duravu Sonna maari"
> repeated umpteeen times in the movie had me in splits all over.
man, that was the reason why people loved baasha. likewise in padayappa
("en vazhi thanee vazhi"). ok, now baba sucked big time! i endorse that.
>
>
>>thillu-mullu (remake of gol-maal), apoorva
>>ragangal, avargal, 16 vayathinile (he plays a negative roles in all
>>three), johnny and thalapathi.
>
>
> He had a good role in Dalapati but was overshadowed totally by
> Mammooty for the time they were together in the movie.
i disagree. their time together was a lot like the "malik-chandu"
combination in company, and each had an equally compelling screen presence.
Ram Jaane
> i thought indian was just dubbed! i think it did reasonably.
It was one of the few hits in Hindi cinema in 1996. Though i didn't
think KH deserved the National award for it.
> well, other than saagar, none of the other movies had a decent
> story-line even. i think kamal was just trying to experiment like
> any
> other good actor, by being venturesome
Its known that KH also wanted to be a commercial superstar
like Rajni in 80s but failed. He also failed in Hindi
movies. Then he voluntarily shifted to disguise-changing roles
with Nayakan and Apoorva Sahodrangal and never looked back.
> man, that was the reason why people loved baasha. likewise in padayappa
> ("en vazhi thanee vazhi"). ok, now baba sucked big time! i endorse that.
I don't have anything to do with the Tamil masses which may like
some PJ dialogue of Rajni. It just sounded hilarious to me and
even to my Chennai friends.
> i disagree. their time together was a lot like the "malik-chandu"
> combination in company, and each had an equally compelling screen
> presence.
As it is, Rajni to Mammooty is like 1:100 in acting. And Dalapati
was ample testament to that. BTW, i also think that both Mohanlal
and Mammooty are superior actors to KH as they can do common
man roles much more convincingly than him instead of resorting to
some hype-generating disguise. The last i really liked KH was in
Thevar Magan 10 years back. Nayagan, AS and Indian are no match for
Mohanlal's Taalavattam, Dashardham, Bharatam, Kireedam etc.
Watch them if you get a chance.
RJ
Loony Tunes
"rkusenet" <rkus...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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> "Ram Jaane" <ram_ja...@hotmail.com> wrote
>
> > EDKL was remake of his tamil hit with Bharthiraja with the same
> > director making it all over again.
>
> K Balachandran. Not Bharthiraja. The original was Maro Charitra.
Maro Charitra was a Telugu movie
-k
Arjun Pandit
> Movies like Geraftaar and Andha Kanoon were hits because of
> Amitabh's performance. Actually, Geraftaar lists AB in
> special appearance and he comes in the middle of the movie.
> Kamal is listed as main Hero. But AB so totally dominates
> from the time he comes that the movie ends up with him as
> the main character.
The same thing happened recently also. In movies like Mohabbatein and K3G, AB
so totally dominates from the time he comes that the movie ends up with him as
the main character. The others are just meant for the song and dance routines.
Shishir Yerramilli
>
> > EDKL was remake of his tamil hit with Bharthiraja with the same
> > director making it all over again.
>
> K Balachandran. Not Bharthiraja. The original was Maro Charitra.
>
>
> > Chachi 420 was a Hindi
> > version of Avvai Shanmugi(ironical since the original itself
> > was a copy) being made all over again and he was in a unique
> > role there.
>
> Avai Shanmugi was much better than Mrs Doubtfire because
> the indianisation was well done. There wasn't any Manivannan
> character in Mrs Doubtfire. In fact of characters were added
> to the original story.
I havent seen Avai Shanmughai but Chachi 420 was really funny.
> > Sagar had Rishi Kapoor in the lead and Kamal was the side hero so
> > to speak.
>
> does not matter. Kamal went away with accolades and sympathy.
> In Namak Haraam, Rajesh Khanna was the hero. But it was AB who
> went away with accolades and sympathy.
Same with Manoj Bajpai in Satya who enjoyed popular and critical
appeal inspite the movie named after the main character played by
Chakravarthy!
>
> rk-
Ram Jaane
HA HA HA. K3G's story revolved mainly around SRK's character
and he got the maximum footage in it. Mohobattein was a
watershed in SRK's acting ability when pitted against former
giants. The climax scene where he comes to AB's house and
convinces AB about the importance of unbinding love in
relationships and eventually reveals himself to be the lover
of Aishwarya was a treat to watch and got him the FF critics
award that year.
Funny, if you think about it, AB has always been at the receiving
end in climax scenes with other major stars. RK dominated totally
in Anand in the climax scene, DK was more convincing in the climax
of Shakti and so on. Wonder why???
RJ
rkusenet
"Ram Jaane" <ram_ja...@hotmail.com> wrote
> Its known that KH also wanted to be a commercial superstar
> like Rajni in 80s but failed. He also failed in Hindi
> movies.
You fool, know something before blabbering. Kamalhassan was superstar
of tamil commercial cinema from 1976/77 to 1982. Rajni was a clear #2.
The success of EDKL boosted his ego wrongly. With news like EDKL celebrating
silver jubilee in cities like Durgapur (WB) , the first movie to celebrate
a silver jubilee in that city, our man set his priorities wrong. He started
concentrating in Hindi movies, allowing Rajnikant to catch up with him. By
the time he moved his a$$ back to chennai, after getting it kicked in hindi movies,
Rajni was almost there. Around at that time, he dumped Vani Ganapathy
and started living in Sarika. That enraged lot of TN ladies as they
sympathized with Vani. He lost a big fan base at that time. Even his
family members cut off with him. When Suhasini married Mani ratnam in
1988, one of her condition was that MR will never work with Kamal.
That's why they never worked together after Nayagan. By 1985/86 Rajni
overtook him as # 1 and retained that position for a long time.
rk-
Loony Tunes
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>
> In Namak Haraam, Rajesh Khanna was the hero. But it was AB who
> went away with accolades and sympathy.
IMO, that was the last movie, Rajesh Khanna and AB acted together. It is
rumoured that RK felt he made a mistake pitting against a rising AB at that
time.
-k
>
> rk-
>
>
rkusenet
"Loony Tunes" <kamesh...@yahoo.com> wrote
> IMO, that was the last movie, Rajesh Khanna and AB acted together. It is
> rumoured that RK felt he made a mistake pitting against a rising AB at that
> time.
yes that was the last movie they acted together, but the decision to not
act together was taken by AB as he felt cheated. In the original screenplay
told to RK/AB, it was AB to die while saving RK. As the movie came close
to completion, RK thought that he will walk away with sympathy if he dies.
Also around that time, movies in which RK dies were successful. So he
convinced Hrishikesh Mukherjee to change the story. HM was at first adamant
to not change, but later on he was pressurized by RK.
rk-
Loony Tunes
Oh..Thx for the info. I remembered from an old mag that the ending was
changed and I thought it was a good thing. I liked this better and it suited
the Namak Haraam theme very well. Plus, AB's dying in the movie wouldnt have
brought in a whole lot of sympathy factor. OTOH, AB feeling cheated is amply
justified.
Did Roti come after Namak haraam or before? (Roti was one of the early
Manmohan Desai super hits before he teamed up with AB)
-k
>
> rk-
>
>
rkusenet
"Loony Tunes" <kamesh...@yahoo.com> wrote
> Did Roti come after Namak haraam or before? (Roti was one of the early
> Manmohan Desai super hits before he teamed up with AB)
namak haraam - 1973
roti - 1974
rk-
Raghu Jetley
> "Drive Like Crazy" <steepest...@yahoo.com> wrote
>>
>> baasha & padayappa were good fun. its not worthwile to read too much
>> into rajini's recent movies, they're just good entertainers (watch &
>> forget category). i thought some of the movies that did real justice
>> to his acting potential were thillu-mullu (remake of gol-maal),
>
> I have seen thillu-mullu and Goolmaal. Rajnikant was much better
> than Amol Palekar and Thengai Srinivasan was zillion times better
> than Utpal Dutt. His interview with a candidate named 'bharatiar'
> is an all time classic.
I saw 1/2 of "thillu mullu" yesterday. It's very good & Rajanikant surprised
me in the movie.
However, I think Gol Maal is far better. The Bharatiar interview is frame
by frame copied from Gol Maal. All the interviews are done much better
in Gol Maal - each interview is a classic. Actually, almost every scene in
the movie
is copied from Gol Maal. Only minor changes have been made (atleast
in the first 1/2 of the movie). The doctor character (played by David in
Hindi)
is a far more serious character in Gol maal as compared to the Tamil
Equivalent.
Also in the Tamil Movie, the heroine alreadys knows & Rajanikanth from
before
(some college show thing). In Hindi, Bindiya has never seen Amol Palekar
before. In Tamil, the office character puts pencils into his ears. In Hindi,
the
chap pulls hair from his nose. Also, Amol plays a more subdued character as
compared to Rajani as the first brother (Ram/Chandran).
Otherwise, even the dialogues are just translated into the Tamil.
I think Utpal Dutt is far far better than whoever played the Tamil role.
BTW, this was the first tamil movie, I have seen in maybe 15 years or so.
I hadn't even seen Nayakan in Tamil. Will see the rest of the movie later.
What does "Thillu Mullu" mean anyway ?
yeskay
rkusenet wrote:
>
> "Drive Like Crazy" <steepest...@yahoo.com> wrote
> >
> > baasha & padayappa were good fun. its not worthwile to read too much
> > into rajini's recent movies, they're just good entertainers (watch &
> > forget category). i thought some of the movies that did real justice to
> > his acting potential were thillu-mullu (remake of gol-maal),
>
> I have seen thillu-mullu and Goolmaal. Rajnikant was much better
> than Amol Palekar and Thengai Srinivasan was zillion times better
> than Utpal Dutt.
Troll and sacrilege! It might be one of those 'regionalistic' comedy
which is appealing to only a certain section of the audience, but
UD and AP were funny without going over the top.
Cricketislife!
<jraghu...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>What does "Thillu Mullu" mean anyway ?
Gol Maal
Raghu Jetley
I fully agree. Utpal Dutt was outstanding. I consider Gol Maal to be
one of the best comedies ever made & Amol & Utpal's roles as
classics.
Raghu Jetley
I have never heard this expression. Can you use it in an expression
as an example ? I know Mullu means "thorn". Does Thillu have any
meaning independently.
yeskay
Ram Jaane wrote:
>
> arjunpa...@indya.com (Arjun Pandit) wrote in message news:<246f4bf5.03081...@posting.google.com>...
> > ram_ja...@hotmail.com (Ram Jaane) wrote in message news:<fc2d3d99.03080...@posting.google.com>...
> >
> > > Movies like Geraftaar and Andha Kanoon were hits because of
> > > Amitabh's performance. Actually, Geraftaar lists AB in
> > > special appearance and he comes in the middle of the movie.
> > > Kamal is listed as main Hero. But AB so totally dominates
> > > from the time he comes that the movie ends up with him as
> > > the main character.
> >
> > The same thing happened recently also. In movies like Mohabbatein and K3G, AB
> > so totally dominates from the time he comes that the movie ends up with him as
> > the main character. The others are just meant for the song and dance routines.
>
> HA HA HA. K3G's story revolved mainly around SRK's character
> and he got the maximum footage in it. Mohobattein was a
> watershed in SRK's acting ability when pitted against former
> giants. The climax scene where he comes to AB's house and
> convinces AB about the importance of unbinding love in
> relationships and eventually reveals himself to be the lover
> of Aishwarya was a treat to watch and got him the FF critics
> award that year.
Actually all tried to out do each other in overacting and finally
SRK won it.
yeskay
Ram Jaane wrote:
>
>
> Maybe. I don't remember everything from that time.
> But Rajni did feature in a lot of flop films. I
> remember another movie called "something ka Badshah"
> which also had Sridevi and the movie was so pathetic.
> BTW, many of Rajni's hit Tamil films in 80s were copies
> of AB films like Satya(Don i think), Billa,
> Panakaran(Lawaris), Velakaran(Coolie) etc. He also
> starred in that copy of Qurabani(i think it was called
> something like Vidudalai).
I think all these movies were made by Balaji or some such
bloke who was Manmohan Desai + Prakash Mehra rolled into one.
Padikkadavan (sp?) was a frame-to-frame copy of Khuddar.
Even the scene in which AB talks to his taxi was copied.
I had thought talking to a car was the most stupid thing
one can do and then I saw Days of Thunder in which they
show Robert Duvall talking to his nascar racing car.
It seems even more stupid in an H movie.
Loony Tunes
"Ram Jaane" <ram_ja...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Hindi film hero. Chiranjeevi, Venkatesh and Nagarjuna
If you ignore the dubbed version of their Telugu Movies and look at their
records with only the Hindi Movies (remake/original).
Mega Star Chiranjeevi
Pratibandh - Super Hit
Aaj Ka Gundaraaj - Super Hit
Gentleman - Flop
Supreme Hero Venkatesh
Anari - Super Hit
Taqdeerwala - Flop
Dynamic and Dashing Nagarjuna
Shiva - Hit
Khuda Gawah - Hit ?? (average maybe)
Criminal - Average
Zakhm - Hit
They have impressive records. They have been very selective, and with the
right subjects and timing, he have struck gold. IMO, they have been good
businessmen who understood what the pulse was in Mumbai/North.
How else could you explain Chiranjeevi's hit with Pratibandh and Aaj Ka
Gundaraaj ? He did make people go to see the movie purely based on the
movie's merit was very successful at that.
Also, Chiru's and Rajni's early filmography is very similar. Both started as
villains, some comedy and then went on to become big stars. Rajni definitely
has a more accomplished career hits-wise.
-k
[imo, the trio deserves more kudos than what others are willing to give]
rkusenet
"Raghu Jetley" <jraghu...@yahoo.com> wrote
> I think Utpal Dutt is far far better than whoever played the Tamil role.
His name is Tengai Srinivasan.
This movie was a remake of Golmaal.
I haven't seen Golmaal after it was released in 1979. So I have
forgotten the interview scene. IIRC the Bhartiar interview had lot
of regional humor flavor, particularly the inability to pronounce
certain tamil alphabets like 'ksh' as in kasHtam. The candidate says
kastam. Or Vazhapayam as vallapalam.
The best scene was when Tengai Srinivasan stands up to welcome
the candidate "vaango sir", bcos he was so impressed by his
patriotic name of Bhartiar.
> BTW, this was the first tamil movie, I have seen in maybe 15 years or so.
> I hadn't even seen Nayakan in Tamil. Will see the rest of the movie later.
> What does "Thillu Mullu" mean anyway ?
Don't tell me u haven't seen a single tam movie since 1988??? wow!!! that's
a long period.
Loony Tunes
> BTW, many of Rajni's hit Tamil films in 80s were copies
> of AB films like Satya(Don i think), Billa,
Satya had Kamal, original was Arjun
Billa was Don in Hindi....Incidentally the telugu version was Yugandhar with
NTR as the hero :)
-k
Raghu Jetley
> "Raghu Jetley" <jraghu...@yahoo.com> wrote
>
>> I think Utpal Dutt is far far better than whoever played the Tamil
>> role.
>
> His name is Tengai Srinivasan.
>
> This movie was a remake of Golmaal.
>
> I haven't seen Golmaal after it was released in 1979.
See Golmaal again immediately. It's worth watching a 100 times.
GolMaal & ChotiSiBaat are two of Amol Palekar classics.
> So I have
> forgotten the interview scene. IIRC the Bhartiar interview had lot
> of regional humor flavor, particularly the inability to pronounce
> certain tamil alphabets like 'ksh' as in kasHtam. The candidate says
> kastam. Or Vazhapayam as vallapalam.
> The best scene was when Tengai Srinivasan stands up to welcome
> the candidate "vaango sir", bcos he was so impressed by his
> patriotic name of Bhartiar.
The same thing happens in Hindi also (except for the pronunciation thing).
Even in Hindi, utpal dutt is very impressed with the chaps long southindian
name. Then he asks the chap what he thinks about Pele & Sunny Gavaskar
(or something like that). The chap says that he doesn't know anything about
sports. UD is even more impressed. Then he says that he spends all his
time in classical music & gives long discourse on classical music & this
pisses
off UD.
There are 3-4 interviews in GolMaal - all of them are very good.
Even the bit about Rajanikanth wearing a small shirt is copied from
GolMaal.
>> BTW, this was the first tamil movie, I have seen in maybe 15 years
>> or so. I hadn't even seen Nayakan in Tamil. Will see the rest of the
>> movie later. What does "Thillu Mullu" mean anyway ?
>
> Don't tell me u haven't seen a single tam movie since 1988??? wow!!!
> that's a long period.
I think I have totally seen maybe 20 Tamil movies in my life, that I
remember of. Both my parents were working, so there wasn't too much
family movie going when I was young. However after my parents retired,
they have been watching 2 Tamil movies every day on Sun TV etc for
the last 5 years or so.
These are the Tamil movies I remember seeing.
1) Sigappu Rojakal (from which Rajesh Khanna's Red Rose was made).
2) VaramaiIn Nerum Sigappu (was also remade in Hindi)
3) Apurva Rahangal (wasn't this remade as Ek Nayi Paheli in Hindi)
4) Navaratri (Sivaji Ganesan)
There was another Tamil movie remade in Hindi with Dharmendra in
a double role - one Dharmendra was a retard who gets murdered & then
the second one takes revenge - I saw this in Tamil I think.
Loony Tunes
"Raghu Jetley" <jraghu...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> There was another Tamil movie remade in Hindi with Dharmendra in
> a double role - one Dharmendra was a retard who gets murdered & then
> the second one takes revenge - I saw this in Tamil I think.
Kalyanaraman - with Kamal, Sridevi
remade as
Ghazab - Dharmendra, Rekha
-k
>
>
>
rkusenet
"Raghu Jetley" <jraghu...@yahoo.com> wrote
> However after my parents retired,
> they have been watching 2 Tamil movies every day on Sun TV etc for
> the last 5 years or so.
ROTFL.
I think this should me advertised as a full page ad in TOI, Delhi
edition. My tam friends would love it.
When Sun TV started in 1993, there use to be mahabharat at
every tam house in Delhi. Parents, like ur parents, wanted to
see *only* Sun tv and their children were hardly interested.
>
> These are the Tamil movies I remember seeing.
>
> 1) Sigappu Rojakal (from which Rajesh Khanna's Red Rose was made).
> 2) VaramaiIn Nerum Sigappu (was also remade in Hindi)
> 3) Apurva Rahangal (wasn't this remade as Ek Nayi Paheli in Hindi)
> 4) Navaratri (Sivaji Ganesan)
>
> There was another Tamil movie remade in Hindi with Dharmendra in
> a double role - one Dharmendra was a retard who gets murdered & then
> the second one takes revenge - I saw this in Tamil I think.
That's Kalyanaraman in tamil and Ghazab in Hindi.
I can recommend you so good tamil movies. I will mail you later.
rk-
Raghu Jetley
> "Raghu Jetley" <jraghu...@yahoo.com> wrote
>> However after my parents retired,
>> they have been watching 2 Tamil movies every day on Sun TV etc for
>> the last 5 years or so.
>
> ROTFL.
> I think this should me advertised as a full page ad in TOI, Delhi
> edition. My tam friends would love it.
>
> When Sun TV started in 1993, there use to be mahabharat at
> every tam house in Delhi. Parents, like ur parents, wanted to
> see *only* Sun tv and their children were hardly interested.
The last time, I went to India, I had to fight with my parents to
watch TV. They had 2-3 "must see" movies every day plus
lots of Tamil Serials also. Their whole day (actually thier whole life :-))
is scheduled around the TV Listings.
> I can recommend you so good tamil movies. I will mail you later.
Tell me only outstanding comedies. I am not so much interested
in serious movies - It takes me a lot of effort to follow the
Tamil Slangs. In Comedies it's OK, but in serious movies
this will be more trouble.
Sydney Assbasket
>> a double role - one Dharmendra was a retard who gets murdered & then
>> the second one takes revenge - I saw this in Tamil I think.
>
>That's Kalyanaraman in tamil and Ghazab in Hindi.
Kamalahassan in the Tamil original wasn't retarded. He just talked weird. I
used to like this when I was little, but I recently rewatched it and it was
hell to sit through.
Remove "moc" to reply.
Whoever says "Nothing is impossible" has never tried to slam a
revolving door.
- Willy Walker
rkusenet
> The last time, I went to India, I had to fight with my parents to
> watch TV. They had 2-3 "must see" movies every day plus
> lots of Tamil Serials also. Their whole day (actually thier whole life :-))
> is scheduled around the TV Listings.
this is the story of majority of tams living in Delhi/Mumbai over the age
of 60 (that is our parents generation).
Most of them left TN at a young age and for decades they were starved
of 'tamil' entertainment. Plus they are generally not good in Hindi.
So that rules out hindi film entertainment. I can bet, if your
parents see LKLKBK, they won't understand the subtleties of AajKapoor-
Johnny level humor, or even the slang used in Satya. Of course the
reverse is true for us when it comes to watching tamil movies.
So Sun TV was like GOD given gift to them (Non Resident tamils).
In some tamil dominated colonies in Delhi (Janakpuri), local cable
TV man better show sun tv or else he lose business big time. Back
in 1993/94, cable technology had a technical problem of only limited channels
due to the angle of their dish. So it use to come to vote for
regional channels like Sun TV or some other channel. Tamils use to
gang up and pressurize cable wallah to show sun tv or else ..
As u said, their whole life was scheduled around Sun TV.
These days they can easily show 70+ channels.
My brother told me that there are 5 tam channels in Mumbai cable.
I was told that SUN TV is the only TV channel making money in India.
rk-
cricfan
serious character in Gol maal as compared to the Tamil
> Equivalent.
> Also in the Tamil Movie, the heroine alreadys knows & Rajanikanth from
> before
> (some college show thing). In Hindi, Bindiya has never seen Amol Palekar
> before. In Tamil, the office character puts pencils into his ears. In
Hindi,
> the
Correction, Bindiya *has* seen Amol in a college function, but doesn't
recall his name. She mentions all this moments before the "Aanewala pal"
song.
Cheers
Arun
cricfan
>
> See Golmaal again immediately. It's worth watching a 100 times.
> GolMaal & ChotiSiBaat are two of Amol Palekar classics.
Agreed. Also Rang Birangi with the legendary Dhurundhar Bhatwadekar. Loved
Farooque Shaikh's "Uska uncle Indra Daman Sood, jisne ek hi ghoose mein
ghode ki khopdi chur chur kar di thi". Deepti Naval's name in the film is
Anita Sood. Anita Sood [the real one] was the swimming champion of India at
that time.
I have liked all of Utpal Dutt's films, including his best work, Satyajit
Ray's "Agantuk", which was simply p-h-e-n-o-m-e-n-a-l. Dutt was awesome in
the Farooque Shaikh-Dept-Saeed Jaffrey starrer "Kisi Se Na Kehna", in "Naram
Garam" [loved the scene where he calls his potential bride Swaroop Sampat
whose name is Kusum, "Kussi beti......(pause)....eeeeeesssh], Shaukeen, and
others.
>
> The same thing happens in Hindi also (except for the pronunciation thing).
> Even in Hindi, utpal dutt is very impressed with the chaps long
southindian
> name. Then he asks the chap what he thinks about Pele & Sunny Gavaskar
> (or something like that). The chap says that he doesn't know anything
about
> sports. UD is even more impressed. Then he says that he spends all his
> time in classical music & gives long discourse on classical music & this
> pisses
> off UD.
His name is something like Chirampapalli Venugopal Iyengar (iirc). He talks
about how his sister learns Bharatnatyam. He also ends with "Hema Malini is
aaalso an Iyengar, Sir! Same caste" :-)
>
> There are 3-4 interviews in GolMaal - all of them are very good.
> Even the bit about Rajanikanth wearing a small shirt is copied from
> GolMaal.
>
One was Iyengar, the other was Badri Narayan Shrivastav, who talks about how
his friend "Sunny" sought his advice since he was his college pal. Utpal
Dutt rejects a third candidate called Vikram something since he puts "Vicky"
on his resume. Dutt says, "Jo aadmi apna naam short kar deyega woh kaam bhi
short kar deyega".
Gol Maal was very Wodehousian in its mixups, schemes and final redemption.
It was also filled with subtle and no-so-subtle humor that has gone on to
become a legend. Right from the signboard in Utpal Dutt's office which
proclaims, "Work is God" to the classic "Ai Maali!". I've got this film on
tape and must've seen it at least 20 times [I've seen Chashme Buddoor about
30 times], but I never tire of it. I always find something new to laugh at.
Best dialogue of Golmaal: Utpal Dutt "Haan, Haan, agar national dress ka
mazak nahin udaoge to broad-minded kaise kehlaoge".
This is soon followed by a ROFL-able scene of Dutt trying to sit on a moving
"jhula" while trying to converse with the late Dina Pathak. Every scene is
well thouht of. Every dialogue is well written. Even Utpal Dutt paying
respects to a photo of Lord Venkateshwara is funny. [See how he removes his
shoes moments before he steps in the living room]. His attempts at speaking
"shudh" hindi as Ramprasad does is hilarious. "Aisa Pavitra vatavaran, aisa
pavitra vichar, aapka *pavitra* kidhar hain....eeesssh, mera matlab hain ki
aapka *putra* kidhar hain"
Cheers
Arun
Loony Tunes
"cricfan" <cri...@nothing.org> wrote in message
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>
> I have liked all of Utpal Dutt's films, including his best work, Satyajit
> Ray's "Agantuk", which was simply p-h-e-n-o-m-e-n-a-l. Dutt was awesome in
> the Farooque Shaikh-Dept-Saeed Jaffrey starrer "Kisi Se Na Kehna", in
"Naram
> Garam" [loved the scene where he calls his potential bride Swaroop Sampat
> whose name is Kusum, "Kussi beti......(pause)....eeeeeesssh], Shaukeen,
and
> others.
I have most of UD films on DVD and cannot agree with you more on the
re-watchablity of quite a few of his movies. Another film that falls into
that category is Angoor. I thought Sanjeev Kumar was simply too good. I am
yet to see a performance like that.
I forget the name of the movie for which he got some national award. The
movie was shot in Rajasthan. This was an arty movie and probably black and
white.
> This is soon followed by a ROFL-able scene of Dutt trying to sit on a
moving
> "jhula" while trying to converse with the late Dina Pathak. Every scene is
> well thouht of. Every dialogue is well written. Even Utpal Dutt paying
> respects to a photo of Lord Venkateshwara is funny. [See how he removes
his
> shoes moments before he steps in the living room]. His attempts at
speaking
> "shudh" hindi as Ramprasad does is hilarious. "Aisa Pavitra vatavaran,
aisa
> pavitra vichar, aapka *pavitra* kidhar hain....eeesssh, mera matlab hain
ki
> aapka *putra* kidhar hain"
The scene when UD sees AP as the fake Ram Prasad is hilarious too. You can
see the glee in his eyes as he is drumming the table, worth a million there.
His interaction with Keshto Mukherjee and Om Prakash was funny too. BTW is
anybody aware of Keshto directing movies. I have seen the filmography on
IMDB to find a Keshto Mukherjee having directed quite a few good movies. Is
this the same who acts as the drunkard?
-k
>
> Cheers
> Arun
>
>
Sydney Assbasket
>anybody aware of Keshto directing movies. I have seen the filmography on
>IMDB to find a Keshto Mukherjee having directed quite a few good movies. Is
>this the same who acts as the drunkard?
Isn't KM the driver in Chupke Chupke?
Has anyone seen the Amol Palekar film Meri Biwi Ki Shaadi? Is it any good?
>> This is soon followed by a ROFL-able scene of Dutt trying to sit on a
>moving
>> "jhula" while trying to converse with the late Dina Pathak. Every scene is
>> well thouht of. Every dialogue is well written. Even Utpal Dutt paying
>> respects to a photo of Lord Venkateshwara is funny.
The way his eyes bug out is also hilarious. AP's over-earnest interview as Ram
Prasad Dasharath Prasad Sharma is a great scene in the film.
Ram Jaane
> The last time, I went to India, I had to fight with my parents to
> watch TV. They had 2-3 "must see" movies every day plus
> lots of Tamil Serials also. Their whole day (actually thier whole life :-))
> is scheduled around the TV Listings.
Thats true. The Tamil serials on Sun TV are very addictive, i should
say destructively addictive. I've seen Annamalai and Chitti in parts
and both seem to be repetetive and boring after a while. But the
older generation just seem to be fixed on it without any respite - Sigh!
All i see in these serials are destructive tendencies like fights
inside a family, calling police, inter-family rivalries, insulting each
other etc.
The solution is that we have two TVs in our house. And hence the
fights are avoided and i can peacefully watch ESPN/Star Sports all
the time :-).
RJ
ps: btw i agree to your post that Golmaal is worth watching again
and again. Same for Chupke Chupke, Sholay, Anand, JBDY, KHKN,
AAA etc. I think only very few people are there who would have seen
Golmaal only once.
Cricketislife!
wrote:
> Sigh!
>All i see in these serials are destructive tendencies like fights
>inside a family, calling police, inter-family rivalries, insulting each
>other etc.
sounds very much like rsc and ramli.
cricfan
"Sydney Assbasket " <drag...@aol.commoc> wrote in message
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> >BTW is
> >anybody aware of Keshto directing movies. I have seen the filmography on
> >IMDB to find a Keshto Mukherjee having directed quite a few good movies.
Is
> >this the same who acts as the drunkard?
>
> Isn't KM the driver in Chupke Chupke?
Yes, his name is James and he thinks he is a good Urdu shayar :-) He speaks
great Bandra catholic hindi in that film. [If you're not a Bombay-ite,
you'll probably have no idea what I'm talking about!]
>
> Has anyone seen the Amol Palekar film Meri Biwi Ki Shaadi? Is it any
good?
>
Very good. It is a remake of the Rock Hudson, Doris Day, Tony Randall
classic, "Send me no flowers". He overhears a doc talking about the terminal
illness of another patient and assumes that the conversation is about him.
He tries to get his wife married. I liked Amol's version better since he was
over the top. He begins to wear a monkey cap and half-sweater (in sweltering
heat) :-)
Cheers
Arun
cricfan
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>
> I have most of UD films on DVD and cannot agree with you more on the
> re-watchablity of quite a few of his movies. Another film that falls into
> that category is Angoor. I thought Sanjeev Kumar was simply too good. I am
> yet to see a performance like that.
>
Yup, ganja, gang and other jokes. I loved the classic one-liner to the taxi
driver "Mein kyon bataon ki mujhe kahaan jaana hain". The only flaw in that
film was the sadhvin. I suspect that they edited that part. In the original
[Menaechmi by the Greek playright Plautus as well as Shakespeare's
adaptation of the same in Comedy of Errors], the married Ashok has an
affair. I think either Gulzar or the censor cut it out. There are references
to his liaison by Moushumi in one of the scenes where she assumes that he
has gifted a diamond ring to her. She is also shown as a sadhvin in a couple
of scenes. Incidentally, the diamond ring scene with Yunus Parvez is also
great. Sanjeev Kumar and Parvez discuss "zanu" in chaste urdu. Kumar has a
very funny rejoinder about how if a person calls "ghutna" zanu, he would
call Ashok Kumar as Kishore Kumar :-) [Incidentally, as per Platt I daresay
that Sanjeev was wrong at that point]
> I forget the name of the movie for which he got some national award. The
> movie was shot in Rajasthan. This was an arty movie and probably black and
> white.
Are you referring to the one where Vidya Sinha is a princess reborn as his
wife?
> The scene when UD sees AP as the fake Ram Prasad is hilarious too. You can
> see the glee in his eyes as he is drumming the table, worth a million
there.
:-) He rambles about "Calcutta ka kalakhand khilaoonga, benaras ka peedha,
mathura ka sohan halwa." The best thing is he thinks Laxman Prasad has
**murdered** Ramprasad and worn a false moustache. He still doesn't figure
it out.
After his chase ends in ignominy, he meets Keshto and Om Prakash in the
police station. The duo were in wonderful cameos in that film. Keshto talks
about how the municipality has warned people to drink boiled water due to
the jaundice epidemic. He goes on to explain that that is the reason he has
the daru_ka_bhatti :-)
Om Prakash has a great role (and a brilliant song sung by Pandit Vasantrao
Deshpande) in Rang Birangi.
Cheers
Arun
Abhimanyu
> Mega Star Chiranjeevi
Only in Andhra Pradesh.
> Pratibandh - Super Hit
Did well. Thats all.
> Aaj Ka Gundaraaj - Super Hit
No way. Did well again.
> Gentleman - Flop
You bet.
> Supreme Hero Venkatesh
ROTFL.
> Anari - Super Hit
Hit.
> Taqdeerwala - Flop
Mahaflop. All his dubbed movies were super flops.
> Dynamic and Dashing Nagarjuna
ROTFLMAO.
> Shiva - Hit
Did well.
> Khuda Gawah - Hit ?? (average maybe)
Average. All credit to AB in main role. Nag was missing
in action most of the time.
> Criminal - Average
Flop.
> Zakhm - Hit
Average. It was Ajay Devgan's film anyway.
> They have impressive records. They have been very selective,
They were forced to be so because they knew
they will never get recognition in Hindi cinema.
> [imo, the trio deserves more kudos than what others are willing to give]
Looking at your post, you seem to be desperate to portray them as GOD
instead of giving them kudos. What a joke you are, man! Come back to
reality. Now its proved that you are an Andhra joker, instead of
someone brought up in North with Hindi knowledge as you so jokingly
try to project
and expose yourself in the process. You must be one of those who
ridiculopusly builds temples for his Gods like idiotic rural people of
Andhra Pradesh.
As VP Singh put it "Saale apni aukat mein raha kar". Hoon kahu, ekdum
Topo che aa to. Sej pan dimag nathi vaparto.
Cheers,
-Abhi
Shishir Yerramilli
Out of all these three,it is definitely Nagarjuna who enjoys the
most popularity in the North ,not just due to his looks but his roles
as well.BTW Nagarjuna is portraying a Gult war hero in JP Duttas
LOC.Apparently he is not happy with the duration of his role.I think
that is somewhat silly because the movie has a lot of stars ,I doubt
all of them receive a lot of screen time.
Nagarjuna is my favorite of the three.Did you see
Manmadhudu,definitely one off the funniest movies I have seen in a
long time.
Somedude:"Streeluki makeup ento mukhyam"
Nagarjuna whispering to colleague:"Mundara veedi suit ki istri
mukhyam"
Shishir Yerramilli
> "Loony Tunes" <kamesh...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<bh8i8l$ubeam$1...@ID-154916.news.uni-berlin.de>...
>
> > Mega Star Chiranjeevi
>
> Only in Andhra Pradesh.
Of course!
>
> > Pratibandh - Super Hit
>
> Did well. Thats all.
Actually loony tunes is correct.
>
> > Aaj Ka Gundaraaj - Super Hit
>
> No way. Did well again.
Again he is correct.
>
> > Gentleman - Flop
>
> You bet.
>
> > Supreme Hero Venkatesh
>
> ROTFL.
>
> > Anari - Super Hit
>
> Hit.
>
> > Taqdeerwala - Flop
>
> Mahaflop. All his dubbed movies were super flops.
>
>
> > Dynamic and Dashing Nagarjuna
>
> ROTFLMAO.
Nagarjuna is anyday better looking than simian looking SRK!A boyish
chimp at that and dresses like a clown.I know you dont speak to women
a whole lot,so I will tell what I learnt..girls like SRK,women like
Nagarjuna,Jackie Shroff,AB etc...
> > Shiva - Hit
>
> Did well.
Thats what hit means!
>
> > Khuda Gawah - Hit ?? (average maybe)
>
> Average. All credit to AB in main role. Nag was missing
> in action most of the time.
Sure.
> > Criminal - Average
>
> Flop.
I am afraid you are confusing this with the other Mahesh Bhatt Ramya
starrer ,Chaahat,who was the hero in that one?
> > Zakhm - Hit
>
> Average. It was Ajay Devgan's film anyway.
Nagarjuna won a Supporting Actor award I think.
> > They have impressive records. They have been very selective,
>
> They were forced to be so because they knew
> they will never get recognition in Hindi cinema.
You are an idiot.They are more selective than any of the crap SRK
stars in.If you are talking about being selective ,look at Aamir Khan
and now Ajay Devgan.
>
> > [imo, the trio deserves more kudos than what others are willing to give]
>
> Looking at your post, you seem to be desperate to portray them as GOD
> instead of giving them kudos. What a joke you are, man! Come back to
> reality. Now its proved that you are an Andhra joker, instead of
> someone brought up in North with Hindi knowledge as you so jokingly
> try to project
> and expose yourself in the process. You must be one of those who
> ridiculopusly builds temples for his Gods like idiotic rural people of
> Andhra Pradesh.
No one in AP builds temples.No one in RAMLI deifies Telugu heroes
like you do SRK,you may think if you have the hero worship that does
pervade the Southern scenario but take long look at yourself in the
mirror.I understand it is hard to do so without projectile
vomitting,but do try!
> As VP Singh put it "Saale apni aukat mein raha kar". Hoon kahu, ekdum
> Topo che aa to. Sej pan dimag nathi vaparto.
Ok,Shridhar randi ke aulaad ,I am afraid I have to repeat this
again.
Shridhar is a son of whore(who was denied entrance in the cheapest
brothels in Dharavi).Shridhars father(who is a deformed leper) is also
his uncle.Shridhar's sister is also his daughter.His other daughter is
also his granddaughter.Shridhar will do anything that moves,this is
why SRK has a restraining order against him.Due to all that
inbreeding,Shridhars family is the ugliest in India,sometimes his
family members pay others to have sex with them.Hows that for below
the belt,Ive got more if that dont impress ya.After all your life is
an open book.
>
> Cheers,
> -Abhi
Shishir Yerramilli
> "Raghu Jetley" <jraghu...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:bh8jcb$vj35v$1...@ID-27262.news.uni-berlin.de...
>
> >
> > See Golmaal again immediately. It's worth watching a 100 times.
> > GolMaal & ChotiSiBaat are two of Amol Palekar classics.
>
> Agreed. Also Rang Birangi with the legendary Dhurundhar Bhatwadekar. Loved
> Farooque Shaikh's "Uska uncle Indra Daman Sood, jisne ek hi ghoose mein
> ghode ki khopdi chur chur kar di thi". Deepti Naval's name in the film is
> Anita Sood. Anita Sood [the real one] was the swimming champion of India at
> that time.
Was she the same lady who used to star in the Complan ads?
> I have liked all of Utpal Dutt's films, including his best work, Satyajit
> Ray's "Agantuk", which was simply p-h-e-n-o-m-e-n-a-l. Dutt was awesome in
> the Farooque Shaikh-Dept-Saeed Jaffrey starrer "Kisi Se Na Kehna", in "Naram
> Garam" [loved the scene where he calls his potential bride Swaroop Sampat
> whose name is Kusum, "Kussi beti......(pause)....eeeeeesssh], Shaukeen, and
Haha!That was hilarious!Isnt "eeeesh" one of his trademarks in
every movie?I also remember this bizarre daydream that he had when on
the wedding night Swarap Sampat(who is married to Paresh Rawal in real
life) gives him pan and he bites her hand in the process ,she goes
"Aap bade natkhat hain" and then he laughs like a maniac!
> others.
That was a good one.Another aspect of being Wodehousian is that
,that sort of humor is timeless,it can be used to good effect even
today!
>
> This is soon followed by a ROFL-able scene of Dutt trying to sit on a moving
> "jhula" while trying to converse with the late Dina Pathak. Every scene is
> well thouht of. Every dialogue is well written. Even Utpal Dutt paying
> respects to a photo of Lord Venkateshwara is funny. [See how he removes his
> shoes moments before he steps in the living room]. His attempts at speaking
> "shudh" hindi as Ramprasad does is hilarious. "Aisa Pavitra vatavaran, aisa
> pavitra vichar, aapka *pavitra* kidhar hain....eeesssh, mera matlab hain ki
> aapka *putra* kidhar hain"
I saw Naram Garam when I was young and got only a few jokes,but when
I saw again recently I realized what a Machiavellian/Chanakyan clever
bastard that Ram Prasad was.Always thinking 10 moves ahead!It would be
interested to see Hrishikesh Mukerjee direct a David Mamet style con
artist movie!
>
> Cheers
> Arun
Ram Jaane
> Most of them left TN at a young age and for decades they were starved
> of 'tamil' entertainment. Plus they are generally not good in Hindi.
> So that rules out hindi film entertainment. I can bet, if your
> parents see LKLKBK, they won't understand the subtleties of AajKapoor-
> Johnny level humor, or even the slang used in Satya. Of course the
> reverse is true for us when it comes to watching tamil movies.
Its not only Sun TV serials that are in demand but also the Star Plus
serials like Kyonki Saas Bhi Kabhi Bahun Thi(i call it Kyunki Chaas
Bhi Kabhi Dahi Thi as Javed Jaafrey put in once), Kasauti, Kahani
Ghar Ghar Ki etc. They are made especially for ladies who are hooked on
to them like magnets. I find all of them humbug. Who can beat Hum Log,
Buniyaad, Ye Jo Hai Zindagi etc? I find Setmax(which have actor weekends
like only AB movies or only Shahrukh movies for 3 continuous days) and
Zee Cinema pretty good besides of course HBO and the likes.
> I was told that SUN TV is the only TV channel making money in India.
No, Star Plus is doing extremely well too and with a national reach.
RJ
Drive Like Crazy
interesting movie (raveena looks awwwzommmmm).
the movie's an adaptation of a play by girish karnad. its worth checking
out if you're interested in off-beat storylines.
Drive Like Crazy
>
> Also, Chiru's and Rajni's early filmography is very similar. Both started as
> villains, some comedy and then went on to become big stars. Rajni definitely
> has a more accomplished career hits-wise.
in fact they are rumoured to be rather close pals. chiranjeevi even put
up a guest appearance in mapillai and i think rajini returned the favor
in one of chiranjeevi's movies in telugu.
i recall another role played by rajini in hindi (bulandi). it was a
remake of "naataamai" and rajini plays the head of the local panchayat
(vijay kumar's role in the original). i think anil kapoor plays the
hero. how did that one do?
yeskay
cricfan wrote:
>
> Agreed. Also Rang Birangi with the legendary Dhurundhar Bhatwadekar. Loved
> Farooque Shaikh's "Uska uncle Indra Daman Sood, jisne ek hi ghoose mein
> ghode ki khopdi chur chur kar di thi". Deepti Naval's name in the film is
> Anita Sood. Anita Sood [the real one] was the swimming champion of India at
> that time.
Rang Birangi/Kissise na kehna is not in the same class as GM/Chasme
badoor/Angoor.
> >
> Gol Maal was very Wodehousian in its mixups, schemes and final redemption.
> It was also filled with subtle and no-so-subtle humor that has gone on to
> become a legend. Right from the signboard in Utpal Dutt's office which
> proclaims, "Work is God" to the classic "Ai Maali!". I've got this film on
> tape and must've seen it at least 20 times [I've seen Chashme Buddoor about
> 30 times], but I never tire of it. I always find something new to laugh at.
>
CD is another classic I can see baar baar lagataar :)! One of my favs.
Farookh at his best. His urdu/hindi diction is so clear,
he is a great actor in the Amol Palekar mould.
> Best dialogue of Golmaal: Utpal Dutt "Haan, Haan, agar national dress ka
> mazak nahin udaoge to broad-minded kaise kehlaoge".
> This is soon followed by a ROFL-able scene of Dutt trying to sit on a moving
> "jhula" while trying to converse with the late Dina Pathak. Every scene is
> well thouht of. Every dialogue is well written. Even Utpal Dutt paying
> respects to a photo of Lord Venkateshwara is funny. [See how he removes his
> shoes moments before he steps in the living room]. His attempts at speaking
> "shudh" hindi as Ramprasad does is hilarious. "Aisa Pavitra vatavaran, aisa
> pavitra vichar, aapka *pavitra* kidhar hain....eeesssh, mera matlab hain ki
> aapka *putra* kidhar hai
I think it is "Aap ki pavitra kaise hain.... eeeessh, mera matlab hain ki aap ki
thabiyath kaisa hain?"
Few more:
AP (Laxman) telling, "Haa, poora naam se yaad aaya, Bhaiyya keh rahe the..."
UD making a karate pose at Om prakash.
AP chiding David about not having a moustache.
AP says something about "Ateet aap ki peeth ki taraf hoga" or some such
phiolsophical
thing. UD actually turns back.
One thing which is unintentionally funny is David always sends Ratna to make
chai or to get something etc.
UD also swears something in Bengali in the film in some scenes with Om Prakash
or Laxman parshad. A Bengali friend of mine was in splits and he said it was
something humorously vulgur. Can somebody confirm this?
yeskay
cricfan wrote:
>
>
> Yes, his name is James and he thinks he is a good Urdu shayar :-) He speaks
> great Bandra catholic hindi in that film. [If you're not a Bombay-ite,
> you'll probably have no idea what I'm talking about!]
He gets stuck at:
De saakhi De saakhi, (saakhi samajhte ho na?)...
Dharam helps him: "Ek gilas julaab".
yeskay
Drive Like Crazy wrote:
>
> btw did any of you guys watch agnivarsha? i thought it was a pretty
> interesting movie (raveena looks awwwzommmmm).
>
> the movie's an adaptation of a play by girish karnad. its worth checking
> out if you're interested in off-beat storylines.
No great shakes. Raveena's acting is garb. She does the 'take-short-deep
breath' act before mouthing a dramatic dialogue. She does it thoroughout the
movie in Satta too. Painful.
Loony Tunes
>
> Are you referring to the one where Vidya Sinha is a princess reborn as his
> wife?
Yes...you are right..?
>
> After his chase ends in ignominy, he meets Keshto and Om Prakash in the
> police station. The duo were in wonderful cameos in that film. Keshto
talks
> about how the municipality has warned people to drink boiled water due to
> the jaundice epidemic. He goes on to explain that that is the reason he
has
> the daru_ka_bhatti :-)
yup..
>
> Om Prakash has a great role (and a brilliant song sung by Pandit Vasantrao
> Deshpande) in Rang Birangi.
both had Deven Verma playing pivotal roles. DV was probably a very
underrated comedian... but definitely ahead of his peers.
-k
Loony Tunes
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>
> cricfan wrote:
> >
>
> > Agreed. Also Rang Birangi with the legendary Dhurundhar Bhatwadekar.
Loved
> > Farooque Shaikh's "Uska uncle Indra Daman Sood, jisne ek hi ghoose mein
> > ghode ki khopdi chur chur kar di thi". Deepti Naval's name in the film
is
> > Anita Sood. Anita Sood [the real one] was the swimming champion of India
at
> > that time.
>
> Rang Birangi/Kissise na kehna is not in the same class as GM/Chasme
> badoor/Angoor.
Chasme Buddoor had some very nice situational songs..."Kaali Ghodi ...." The
analogy with Farooq Shaikh's motorcycle was hilarious.
Add to that "Kahan se aaye Badra..." (imo...it is one of those classic
examples of the song fitting right into the mood in the film)
-k
Loony Tunes
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>
> > Mega Star Chiranjeevi
> > Dynamic and Dashing Nagarjuna
These are the titles they are introduced by "On Screen"...Its not my
invention. They will still be introduced "On Screen" that way, despite what
you and I think.
Some more introductory titles,
- Yuva Ratna Balakrishna
- Macho Hero Rajasekhar
- Nata Prapurna/Kireeta NTR, ANR
- Nata Sarvabhauma SV Ranga Rao
- Sentimental Hero Sobhan Babu
-k
cricfan
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> I saw Naram Garam when I was young and got only a few jokes,but when
> I saw again recently I realized what a Machiavellian/Chanakyan clever
> bastard that Ram Prasad was.Always thinking 10 moves ahead!It would be
> interested to see Hrishikesh Mukerjee direct a David Mamet style con
> artist movie!
That was one of the few films in which I loved Shatrughna Sinha. He was
brilliant in the scene where he's had too much bhang, and storms the stage
to bash up Nilu Phule (playing Ravana). I daresay that such scenes would be
a no-no in the current political scenario.[Any goonda acts as a *censor*
nowadays]
Cheers
Arun
cricfan
>
> Chasme Buddoor had some very nice situational songs..."Kaali Ghodi ...."
The
> analogy with Farooq Shaikh's motorcycle was hilarious.
> Add to that "Kahan se aaye Badra..." (imo...it is one of those classic
> examples of the song fitting right into the mood in the film)
>
> -k
>
>
Others will disagree, but for me CD remains the greatest comedy ever made in
Hindi cinema. I've said before that I've seen it ~30 times and still rofl at
some jokes that I've missed before. I saw it for the first time (when it was
released) with my elder brother and his friends from engg college. They were
cracking up, and getting the references to some jokes that I wasn't, since I
was in still in school. I still liked it though. But I truly fell in love
with it once I entered engg college. I *suddenly* got the incredible humour
in the film and haven't stopped watching it since.
When I began to develop a better taste in music, I got the really funny joke
in the initial scene {when everyone's smoking} and Mehdi Hassan's ghazal,
"Yeh Dhuan Kahaan se uttha hain" plays in the background. Rakesh Bedi has
this dreamy look on this face at that point - musical romantic and all {with
Ghalib shair's on his side of the wall to boot}. Within 30-40 seconds, our
hopes of a budding poet are dashed when he goes to the balcony to empty the
ashtray and shouts "Jomu, Siddharth, Jaldi Aao, Jaldi Aoo....Shikaar" :-) I
got the joke about Miranda and SRCC. The bike not starting unless Siddharth
kicks it and has to hear Rakesh bedi say, "Hero hai na" - haven't we all
experienced this in college? The shared cigarettes. The lack of utensils.
The varied posters in "our side of the wall". The "bindaas" attitude while
eve-teasing, but total cowardice when it actually came to talking to girls.
The schemes by friends to solve problems ;-) etc, etc...
I loved Deepti reading John Maynard Keynes' "General Theory of Money and
Employment" and saying, "Bahut Mazedaar kitaab hain". The joke doesn't end
there. Her dad [played by Vinod Doshi, then MD of Premier Automobiles
Limited, the makers of Fiat cars in India], actually touches her forehead to
see if she's all right.
Incidentally, the DD version is without the scene where we see Leela Mishra
thumbing through Playboy in the student's place. [how Sai Paranjape got this
respected matriarch of Indian cinema to do that scene, I don't know]
Sai Paranjape zindabad. [She was awesome with Katha too]
Cheers
Arun
Loony Tunes
>
>
> That was one of the few films in which I loved Shatrughna Sinha. He was
> brilliant in the scene where he's had too much bhang, and storms the stage
> to bash up Nilu Phule (playing Ravana). I daresay that such scenes would
be
> a no-no in the current political scenario.[Any goonda acts as a *censor*
> nowadays]
The reference to Raj Narain (the politician) was cool too. Imagine somebody
referring to any politician today.
Another scene, when Amol Palekar calls out for Swaroop Sampat as Kussi...in
front of UD, UD advises him to call her as Kusum Kumari Ji.
The T P Jain dialogue .... ise kamar kehke, main allah paak ki tauheen to
nahin kar sakta na..
Shatru admonishing his manager..."tum us taraf mooh karke peshaab bhi nahi
karoge"
-k
[urz kiya hai......
dard-e-judaai mein is kadar hui pechish,
ke aasoon bhi raah badalke nikle....]
Loony Tunes
>
>
> Others will disagree, but for me CD remains the greatest comedy ever made
in
> Hindi cinema. I've said before that I've seen it ~30 times and still rofl
at
> some jokes that I've missed before. I saw it for the first time (when it
was
> released) with my elder brother and his friends from engg college. They
were
> cracking up, and getting the references to some jokes that I wasn't, since
I
> was in still in school. I still liked it though. But I truly fell in love
> with it once I entered engg college. I *suddenly* got the incredible
humour
> in the film and haven't stopped watching it since.
That's what's so beautiful about the movie. It brings back all the college
memories.
> ashtray and shouts "Jomu, Siddharth, Jaldi Aao, Jaldi Aoo....Shikaar" :-)
I
> got the joke about Miranda and SRCC. The bike not starting unless
Siddharth
SRCC is Shriram College of Commerce (for guys) and Miranda is a girl's
college in Delhi ?? Or was there something more.Time for a re-watch :-)
>
> I loved Deepti reading John Maynard Keynes' "General Theory of Money and
> Employment" and saying, "Bahut Mazedaar kitaab hain". The joke doesn't end
> there. Her dad [played by Vinod Doshi, then MD of Premier Automobiles
> Limited, the makers of Fiat cars in India], actually touches her forehead
to
> see if she's all right.
lol...The entire scene when Farooq Shaikh makes up his mind to quit smoking
if she asks him to and how he makes her say that was hilarious.
>
> Incidentally, the DD version is without the scene where we see Leela
Mishra
> thumbing through Playboy in the student's place. [how Sai Paranjape got
this
> respected matriarch of Indian cinema to do that scene, I don't know]
I never saw this on DD. I almost always rented this movie and now own
it.....Leela Mishra didnt have her glasses in that scene ;-)
>
> Sai Paranjape zindabad. [She was awesome with Katha too]
I respect her as a film maker. She is probably one of the exceptional ladies
to do movies that well. I also liked the movie that had Om Puri digging a
well for 7 years and finally finding water...It had Raghubir Yadav and Nana
Patekar in it. The movie had an undercurrent of humor but dealt with some
serious issues. iirc, it was Disha.
-k
Raghu Jetley
> Sai Paranjape zindabad. [She was awesome with Katha too]
Sai Paranjpe had a TV serial also, once upon a time.
I forgot the name. It had her daughter Winnie Paranjpe.
It had this very funny chap who would answer the phone
& say "I the Madanbaan, you who, who you ?"
Loony Tunes
IIRC, it was Chote Bade...it had Arvind Deshpande and Sulabha Deshpande +
family with Madanbaan as their butler. It was one of the better DD comedy
serials.
-k
>
>
Shishir Yerramilli
> "Abhimanyu" <hi_call...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:5b43c3d9.03081...@posting.google.com...
> > "Loony Tunes" <kamesh...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:<bh8i8l$ubeam$1...@ID-154916.news.uni-berlin.de>...
> >
> > > Mega Star Chiranjeevi
> > > Supreme Hero Venkatesh
> > > Dynamic and Dashing Nagarjuna
>
> These are the titles they are introduced by "On Screen"...Its not my
> invention. They will still be introduced "On Screen" that way, despite what
> you and I think.
>
> Some more introductory titles,
> - Yuva Ratna Balakrishna
> - Macho Hero Rajasekhar
> - Nata Prapurna/Kireeta NTR, ANR
> - Nata Sarvabhauma SV Ranga Rao
> - Sentimental Hero Sobhan Babu
That is just bizarre!
> -k
Shishir Yerramilli
> btw did any of you guys watch agnivarsha? i thought it was a pretty
> interesting movie (raveena looks awwwzommmmm).
Raveena looked nice in that movie.But her acting was nothing
exceptional.The movie was so so.A movie of such a dry ,intellectual
nature should be shorter and pack a little more wit.Good effort but
mostly just that ..an effort.
> the movie's an adaptation of a play by girish karnad. its worth checking
> out if you're interested in off-beat storylines.
Girish Karnad had done better stuff before ..like Utsav.However I
really liked the look of Agni Varsha,it also helped that all the
actors were photogenic and in good shape to wear such clothes!Except
of course Sonali Kulkarni,who was flab city!
Shishir Yerramilli
> >
> > Also, Chiru's and Rajni's early filmography is very similar. Both started as
> > villains, some comedy and then went on to become big stars. Rajni definitely
> > has a more accomplished career hits-wise.
>
> in fact they are rumoured to be rather close pals. chiranjeevi even put
> up a guest appearance in mapillai and i think rajini returned the favor
> in one of chiranjeevi's movies in telugu.
started out in a similar way as villains and then moved upto hero
roles.In the KH where he is a ventroloquist,Rajni was the villain in
the Tamil version while Chiru was the corresponding role in the Telugu
version.
>
> i recall another role played by rajini in hindi (bulandi). it was a
> remake of "naataamai" and rajini plays the head of the local panchayat
> (vijay kumar's role in the original). i think anil kapoor plays the
> hero. how did that one do?
Wasnt the original called Padayappa or Pedarayudu in Telugu?I am
sure Bulandi was a flop.
rkusenet
"Shishir Yerramilli" <yshi...@hotmail.com> wrote
> I dont remember this movie.But someone mentioned that Rajni and Chiru
> started out in a similar way as villains and then moved upto hero
> roles.In the KH where he is a ventroloquist,Rajni was the villain in
> the Tamil version while Chiru was the corresponding role in the Telugu
> version.
avargal.
Rajni was quite good as the husband of sujata with
an acid tongue.
rk-
cricfan
> That's what's so beautiful about the movie. It brings back all the college
> memories.
>
There's also this great inside joke about the producer of the film. Vaswani
tries to impress Deepti by saying, "Aapne mashoor film producer D. K.
Lakhanpal ka naam suna hoga". She has this blank look on her face. He adds,
"Mein unka chota bhai hoon". [Lakhanpal is the producer of CD].
Vaswani goes on to add, "Bumbai mein ab talent kahaan? Darasal Jayaji ke
retire hone ke baad industry mein vacuum sa aa gaya hai" :-)
The other great laughs I had were for the following:
a. When Omi says, "Dost ho to aisa ho" and thanks Ravi Vaswani with "Ab
baaki mein sab sambhal loonga".
b. When Ravi Vaswani says, "Yeh shaadi nahin ho sakti" [Wah, inki mulakaat
tak nahin hueen aur shaadi bhi toot gayi]
c. Deepti's brother: Baitye, Baitiye, Virajiye. Mein thoda andar se hokar
aata hoon
d. Shaikh, "Paise kidhar jayenge, Lalan miya" Lalan, "Abey jaane ki kaun
baat kar riya hain. Mein isse pareshan hoon ki paise aate nahin hain"
> lol...The entire scene when Farooq Shaikh makes up his mind to quit
smoking
> if she asks him to and how he makes her say that was hilarious.
>
Is Lalan miya, one of the greatest characters written in Hindi films? I
certainly think so. Who would've thought that a pan-beedi wallah could be
such a major character? Along with Aslam Bhai, the writer who wrote and the
actors who interpreted, these roles ought to get our respect! Hats off to
Jaffrey and Lever.
> I respect her as a film maker. She is probably one of the exceptional
ladies
> to do movies that well. I also liked the movie that had Om Puri digging a
> well for 7 years and finally finding water...It had Raghubir Yadav and
Nana
> Patekar in it. The movie had an undercurrent of humor but dealt with some
> serious issues. iirc, it was Disha.
Yup, but I got bored with some of her arty work. Incidentally, even after
her divorce [to Arun Joglekar] she still had him act in many serials of
hers.
In Katha, she had this joke on herself, when Vinnie talks about her dead
mother [Sai's garlanded photo in the background] and says, "she was a
terror" :-)
Cheers
Arun
cricfan
> Another scene, when Amol Palekar calls out for Swaroop Sampat as
Kussi...in
> front of UD, UD advises him to call her as Kusum Kumari Ji.
Reminds me of the other funny line from Golmaal. Utpal: "Aap unko Urmila*ji*
karke boolayenge"
Amol: Ji?
Utpal: Ji!
Amol: Ji
The same word is used to mean three different things. Amazing piece of
writing.
>
> The T P Jain dialogue .... ise kamar kehke, main allah paak ki tauheen to
> nahin kar sakta na..
>
LOL. Taund 42 :-)
> -k
> [urz kiya hai......
> dard-e-judaai mein is kadar hui pechish,
> ke aasoon bhi raah badalke nikle....]
nikalanaa Khuld se aadam kaa sunate aaye hai.n lekin
bahut be-aabaruu hokar tere kuuche se ham nikale
Cheers
Arun
Loony Tunes
>
> > [urz kiya hai......
> > dard-e-judaai mein is kadar hui pechish,
> > ke aasoon bhi raah badalke nikle....]
>
> nikalanaa Khuld se aadam kaa sunate aaye hai.n lekin
> bahut be-aabaruu hokar tere kuuche se ham nikale
LoL.... Reminded me of my undergrad days when we used to spend time in the
canteen making up these...shers
-k
>
> Cheers
> Arun
>
>
Aditya Basrur
I didn't think very much of this film, myself. Perhaps the vedic
picturisation was accurate, but the storyline was quite average and the
acting seemed mediocre.
I was told to watch "Agnivarsha" when I mentioned to someone that I didn't
think Raveena was all that good-looking compared to a few other heroines.
After this film, my opinion changed somewhat - but she's still no Rani.
Aditya
Obsessed.
Aditya Basrur
Shishir Yerramilli <yshi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > btw did any of you guys watch agnivarsha? i thought it was a pretty
> > interesting movie (raveena looks awwwzommmmm).
>
> Raveena looked nice in that movie.But her acting was nothing
> exceptional.The movie was so so.A movie of such a dry ,intellectual
> nature should be shorter and pack a little more wit.Good effort but
> mostly just that ..an effort.
I didn't think it particularly intellectual. There were the religious
undertones, about how a yagna has to be performed a certain way to be
successful, and how certain rituals need to be observed. But otherwise, it
seemed like a formulaic tale of incest, abuse and corrupt priests.
> > the movie's an adaptation of a play by girish karnad. its worth checking
> > out if you're interested in off-beat storylines.
>
> Girish Karnad had done better stuff before ..like Utsav.However I
> really liked the look of Agni Varsha,it also helped that all the
> actors were photogenic and in good shape to wear such clothes!Except
> of course Sonali Kulkarni,who was flab city!
<snip>
Agree with this bit wholeheartedly. Sonali was a big disappointment.
Aditya
Cricketislife!
<steepest...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>n fact they are rumoured to be rather close pals. chiranjeevi even put
>up a guest appearance in mapillai and i think rajini returned the favor
>in one of chiranjeevi's movies in telugu.
Yep, Rajni acted in that same which was remade in Telugu (or prob
telugu was the original, I dont know. Anil Kappor acted in the hindi
version) Rajni and Chiranjeeve come in the wedding scene and have a
fight scene.