The Rukhster vs Aamir??
Kuntal Shah
Devashish> Ok folks - I am ready to start a war: The question is
Devashish> who do you think deserves the Better Actor trophy - if
Devashish> you compared Shah Rukh Khan (in DDLJ) to Aamir Khan (in
Devashish> Rangeela)??
Devashish> My instincts tell me that both will (at least) be
Devashish> nominated for the Best Actor award for next year's
Devashish> Filmfare Awards.
But you are yet to see Aamir Khan's performance in A.H.A.T.
Anyway,
Please continue this thread only on R.A.M.L.I as this is going to
be a long thread, to the annoyance of R.M.I.M. gurus.
-Kuntal.
SINGH, ASHOK
>>>>>> "Devashish" == Devashish Saxena <dsa...@bnr.ca> writes:
>
> Devashish> Ok folks - I am ready to start a war: The question is
> Devashish> who do you think deserves the Better Actor trophy - if
> Devashish> you compared Shah Rukh Khan (in DDLJ) to Aamir Khan (in
> Devashish> Rangeela)??
>
> Devashish> My instincts tell me that both will (at least) be
> Devashish> nominated for the Best Actor award for next year's
> Devashish> Filmfare Awards.
>
> But you are yet to see Aamir Khan's performance in A.H.A.T
Shahrukh Khan and Aamir Khan are the most likely choices for 1995's
Filmfare Awards but there are other performances that could be nominated such as
Om Puri DROHKAAL
Ajay Devgan NAAJAYAZ
Salman Khan VEERGATI (although dialogues by writer K.K. Singh helped)
Govinda COOLIE No. 1
Naseeruddin Shah NAAJAYAZ
as well as other performances I haven't seen yet such as :
Jackie Shroff RAM SHASTRA
Shahrukh Khan RAM JAANE
Aamir Khan AKELE HUM AKELE TUM
Govinda GAMBLER
therefore its too early to to pick a winner yet, but Aamir Khan in RANGEELA
seems to be in the lead.
Ashok Singh
ANWAR SADAT
Devashish, I'm behind u all the way (I'm sure that's a real big
surprise to everyone! :) ) Shah Rukh was incredible in DDLJ, as he is
in all his movies. You gave a good example of the Rukhster's acting.....
Here's one of my favourite parts though..... Remember when Simran asks
Raj if he will come to her wedding, and he just smiles and says no? I
think this was a REALLY original idea. It was so simple, yet it said so
much, and it led perfectly into the song "Hogaya Hai Tujko To Pyar..."
This is what movies sometimes lack today. A hero doesn't always have to
run around a tree and sing a song to express his love. In the old
black-and-white films, the actors and actresses said more with their
facial expressions, hand gestures, etc. They used these things as
methods to get their message across. In DDLJ, we got a taste of this.
Raj did not actually say anything of significance to Simran, yet she
immediately understood that he cared for her a great deal. That scene
was great. The Rukhster's face is capable of expressing a very wide
variety of emotions, as this scene really illustrates.
So as for me, my vote goes to *SHAH RUKH KHAN* all the way.
Incidentally, I must say that Aamir is also a great actor. He's very
charming, but....... I just feel as if he's somehow lost his magic
touch. Ever since Shah Rukh has come into the industry, he always seems
to be stealing the show!
Later, dudes!
- Sadat (A TRUE SHAH RUKH FAN!)
Anshu Prasad
: The question is who do you think deserves the Better Actor trophy - if you
: compared Shah Rukh Khan (in DDLJ) to Aamir Khan (in Rangeela)??
If the competition were between just those two for just these two
performances, I think I'd give the edge to SRK. Aamir Khan, I believe,
suffered from a couple distinct flaws in the script which prevented
his character from being fully developed in Rangeela. Considering what
he had to work with, he did an admirable job, however.
SRK, on the other hand, had a fairly consistently presented character
in DDLJ. Despite the role being somewhat more conventional than Aamir
Khan's, he displayed a range in his performance that was worthy of the
role.
However, the awards will not be based solely on these two films. We'll
just have to wait and see.
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Devashish Saxena
The question is who do you think deserves the Better Actor trophy - if you
compared Shah Rukh Khan (in DDLJ) to Aamir Khan (in Rangeela)??
My instincts tell me that both will (at least) be nominated for the Best Actor
award for next year's Filmfare Awards.
My personal opinion is that even though Aamir Khan did an incredible job in
Rangeela - by pretty much stealing the show - and really showing his
versatility
throughout the movie .... the Rukhster takes it home - for an absolutley
mindblowing performance that stays with you even after the movie is over ...
so much so that you want to see the movie again and again ... now I realize
that SRK may not be the ONLY person for making the movie so memorable - but he
sure does play a pretty big part ...
He plays Raj with such charm - that at times you tend to forget that this is
just a character in a movie - I mean you have actually known guys like this -
and the scene where he is standing on the bridge and he tells Simran that he
loves her - for once letting out what is in his heart - only to be scared back
into the shell - where he resides out of fear of insulting the fact that
Simran's marriage is already fixed to some guy. His childishness - as he bets
that she'll turn around if she loves him .... his broken-hearted face as he
tells Simran at the railway station in London - that he will (probably) not see
her again .. (and her reaction too - but that's a different story!!)
His chirpyness as he involves himself in the wedding for the person that he so
loves deeply - you can but only envy the charm with which he gets Simran's
entire family to slowly but surely fall in love with him - just like Simran.
And how can I ignore the relationship that very slowly matures between Raj and
Simran's dad - after all the pigeons that were fed (and saved) in harmony by
both ......
Mr Shah Rukh - you deserve all the accolades you receive for DDLJ.
--
Devashish Saxena
Ikram Ahmed Khan
: I think this was a REALLY original idea. It was so simple, yet it said so
: much, and it led perfectly into the song "Hogaya Hai Tujko To Pyar..."
: This is what movies sometimes lack today. A hero doesn't always have to
: run around a tree and sing a song to express his love.
Oh but he can drive around beautiful mountains and imagine lovely
looking gals as shepherdesses? :) :)
: In the old
: black-and-white films, the actors and actresses said more with their
: facial expressions, hand gestures, etc. They used these things as
: methods to get their message across. In DDLJ, we got a taste of this.
Check out some of Suraiyya's dupatta twister songs and then say the same
thing about the facial etc etc.(Oh btw, the songs were great! )
I personally feel the standard of acting has improved over the years. But
then I am talking general standard, not specific actors .
I don't think so about the songs and definitely not for the singers.
: So as for me, my vote goes to *SHAH RUKH KHAN* all the way.
Surprise! Surprise!!! :) :)
Heck, even if that happens, we can say that nice guys finish last and
console Aamir and egg him on for another performance (which hopefully won't
go unrewarded )
Later,
Ikram.
Kuntal Shah
ANWAR> Devashish, I'm behind u all the way (I'm sure that's a
ANWAR> real big surprise to everyone! :) ) Shah Rukh was
ANWAR> incredible in DDLJ, as he is in all his movies.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I don't know how many times I will have to correct you on this. No
actor is good forever. Do "all his movies" include "Guddu" and "Oh
Darling yeh hai India" too ?
-Kuntal.
Ikram Ahmed Khan
: Devashish Saxena (dsa...@bnr.ca) wrote:
: : The question is who do you think deserves the Better Actor trophy - if you
: : compared Shah Rukh Khan (in DDLJ) to Aamir Khan (in Rangeela)??
: If the competition were between just those two for just these two
: performances, I think I'd give the edge to SRK. Aamir Khan, I believe,
: suffered from a couple distinct flaws in the script which prevented
: his character from being fully developed in Rangeela. Considering what
: he had to work with, he did an admirable job, however.
: SRK, on the other hand, had a fairly consistently presented character
: in DDLJ. Despite the role being somewhat more conventional than Aamir
: Khan's, he displayed a range in his performance that was worthy of the
: role.
Analysis of SRK's Raj character going on down below.......................
Warning: Come , get bored again
Ok folks,
First the character fleshing depends on the story writer partly. Tho' I am
sure that SRK had something to say in it too.
Anomalies in the character ---
Can anybody explain why SRK strongly beleives that shaadi ho toh parents
ke approval ke saath hi? If anything, there is reason to beleive that he
would go the opposite way. Why? Well, remember that unconventional scene
in which Anupam Kher tells him wahh bete tu London meN fail hua....etc.
With a home atmosphere which is so *unconventional* when and where does
he imbibe the spirit of deep traditionalism from? I also remember his
father exhorting him to run away with Simran...
He really does nothing to discourage the sister of the guy, does he? Why
not? It reminded me of the Kabhie-Kabhie movie which had Rishi
deliberately try to get AB's daughter involved. But SRK wasn't trying to
do it right? Also if he is such a nice guy at heart why does he destroy
the confidence that the groom places in him? (Ok, the guy turns out to be
a cad later on but SRK doesn't know that at the time does he?) Also the
whole Paris episode shows a rather mean kinda side to his character. I
mean, why does he have to do the flower trick on the girl? Ok dancing and
singing the song was great (I happen to like the song :) ) but the flower
trick was for no apparent purpose.
Also about the shell and going back into it that Devashish
mentions...maybe so, but it appeared as if he was teasing the girl at
that time (Kajol looks shocked *and* *hurt* .... great acting by that
girl there....but I guess she's too young for the powers that be to award
her with a filmfare....)Never for one instance does he display the
vulnerability that should have characterised the shell kind of guy. I
mean he is so sure of himself all thruout the movie!! Never for once does
he have to worry about failure. Not even when he is going back in the
train alone!! That kind of supreme confidence doesn't go well with the
shell script (pun intended :)).Also do you really beleive that the palat
routine was a childish way that he has? I think that SRK's Raj really
believes in that! Oh, btw, you can again see the supreme confidence of
the guy in that shot too.
On the other hand Aamir did a wonderful job with the street guy character
of Munna. His joy and sorrows come alive for us. His use of language and
character was rather consistent all thru the movie. Remeber the touch of
the yellow shirt-pants. Work of genius , maan!His insecurities are so
made so apparent to us in his portrayal of Munna. Of course the ending
sucked big time ... and went against everything in the script so far, but
that happens at the very end and that was the director and story person's
job...not Aamir's.
: However, the awards will not be based solely on these two films. We'll
: just have to wait and see.
Yup.... but still one can hope, right? :)
Later,
Ikram.
: --
ANWAR SADAT
Kuntal Shah <kun...@india.ti.com> wrote:
> I don't know how many times I will have to correct you on this. No
> actor is good forever. Do "all his movies" include "Guddu" and "Oh
> Darling yeh hai India" too ?
>
>-Kuntal.
Who's asking you to repeat yourself? Hell, I didn't even know u were
talking to me! :) But sure, if you analyze his ACTING alone, Shah Rukh
was not just good, but great in Guddu and O Darling.... In the former,
just look at the scenes in the court at the end. Shah Rukh is dynamite.
And just because a movie flops really has little to say about it. And it
hardly says that the actor wasn't good. If you can overlook Amitabh's
Toofan, Jaadugar, Mein Azaad Hoon, Insaniyaat, and all his other sh--
movies, then u should also be able to overlook Shah Rukh's Zamaana
Deewana, O Darling, etc.
Even Ram Jaane serves a good example here. I personally didn't like
the movie, but Shah Rukh did a great job in his acting. As usual, his
role/character from very different from his last one (in DDLJ) and, if
anything, Shah Rukh atleast proves that he indeed can never be
stereotyped into any one particular role.
SINGH, ASHOK
Anshu Prasad
|> Anshu Prasad (ans...@bnr.ca) wrote:
|>
|> : SRK, on the other hand, had a fairly consistently presented character
|> : in DDLJ.
|>
|> Warning: Come , get bored again
|>
|>
|> Can anybody explain why SRK strongly beleives that shaadi ho toh parents
|> ke approval ke saath hi? If anything, there is reason to beleive that he
|> would go the opposite way.
I think one would presume too much to think that a lack of personal
conviction in one aspect of life would necessarily mean a similar lack
of principle and conviction in another. Its clear that SRK's Raj does
have a pretty cavalier view of the world, and yet that's insufficient
to suppose that he is devoid of any inner sense of what he believes to
be right and wrong. From his arrival in India to the end of the film,
he expressed his belief in the importance of Simran's father's approval.
A possible reason for why he held this conviction? Perhaps he felt this
way because he saw the importance of his father in his own life. His
relationship with his father was obviously very close. But regardless,
he was consistent in his beliefs (and lack thereof) throughout the film.
|> He really does nothing to discourage the sister of the guy, does he? Why
|> not?
Well, he did nothing to encourage her either. Given his circumstance,
he couldn't alienate himself from the girl's family or her brother.
Remaining in their confidence was pivotal to remaining in a position
to alter the outcome of events in his favour.
Was it selfish? Sure. But his character had already been shown to be
selfish. And yet, as the viewer, we are given some reason to forgive
him this transgression. We know of his love for Simran and allow him
some leeway in accomplishing his goal.
|> Also if he is such a nice guy at heart why does he destroy
|> the confidence that the groom places in him?
Ah, but he wasn't *that* nice a guy at heart. We had already seen a
bit of a mean streak in him, particularly in his often insensitive
treatment of Simran. Like anyone, he had some good traits and some
bad traits. And while his own sense of morality prevented him from
running away with Simran without her father's approval, he wasn't
above using her groom-to-be in any way necessary to accomplish his
goal. There was no way he could succeed in marrying Simran *and* not
hurt the other guy and his family. We knew from the outset that his
plan need not take their feelings into consideration.
Was it selfish? Sure. But as I said before, we are asked to accept
these consequences for the sake of a "greater good", that being the
eventual marriage of Simran and Raj.
|> Also the
|> whole Paris episode shows a rather mean kinda side to his character.
As I said previously, his character was not perfect. His carefree
attitude often did result in treating others in a less than exemplary
manner. But this aspect of his personality was consistent throughout
the film.
|> Also about the shell and going back into it that Devashish
|> mentions...maybe so, but it appeared as if he was teasing the girl at
|> that time (Kajol looks shocked *and* *hurt* .... great acting by that
|> girl there....but I guess she's too young for the powers that be to award
|> her with a filmfare....)Never for one instance does he display the
|> vulnerability that should have characterised the shell kind of guy.
I don't quite agree with this assessment, but that's because my personal
interpretation of the scene was more like Devashish's. He knew he couldn't
be open about his feelings. And despite his arrogance and self-assuredness,
he wasn't about to risk rejection. By using the rather mean-spirited and
selfish ploy of expressing his feelings and later dismissing them as a joke,
he was able to guage Simran's response without ever risking himself or his
own ego.
Was it selfish? You bet. But that's what I mean about the consistency of
his character. We saw his flaws, and were asked to forgive him for these
flaws because he did have some redeeming qualities. But both flaws and
qualities were presented in a fairly consistent manner throughout the film.
And SRK's acting was sufficient to convey those aspects of his character
without stretching the bounds of credibility.
|> On the other hand Aamir did a wonderful job with the street guy character
|> of Munna. His joy and sorrows come alive for us. His use of language and
|> character was rather consistent all thru the movie. Remeber the touch of
|> the yellow shirt-pants. Work of genius , maan!His insecurities are so
|> made so apparent to us in his portrayal of Munna.
For the most part, I agree with what you're saying. But I don't believe
we were ever offered a sufficient view into Munna. We were given a more
cursory treatment of his underlying motivation and the true substance of
his character. As I said previously, this I believe to be the fault of
the writers. Its a testament to Aamir Khan's acting ability that he could
do so much with a role that wasted so much potential in the screenplay
itself. It was as if Aamir Khan's hands were tied and he was never given
the opportunity to display the true depth of his character (and of his
acting ability).
I make no claims that the character of Raj, or the acting of SRK, are
especially deserving of extreme praise. But in comparison to Aamir
Khan in Rangeela, I would give the edge to SRK. Please remember as
well that I'm comparing performances, not actors.
ANWAR SADAT
I don't know what you're talking about, (Bad) Kuntal. Most of my
friends thought Shah Rukh was great in Guddu (and they're not fanatics).
In fact, I thought that the film itself was very good also. I don't know
how you can imply that Shah Rukh wasn't good in Guddu.
Let me give you two more examples. Agneepath flopped, yet Amitabh won
the national award for it. Also, Anjaam flopped, yet Shah Rukh won best
villian for it. What I'm saying is, if these two actors' movies flop,
it's not because of them... it's because of other factors. They're both
great. Even in their worst films.
Kuntal Shah
ANWAR> I don't know what you're talking about, (Bad) Kuntal.
ANWAR> Most of my friends thought Shah Rukh was great in Guddu
ANWAR> (and they're not fanatics). In fact, I thought that the
ANWAR> film itself was very good also. I don't know how you can
ANWAR> imply that Shah Rukh wasn't good in Guddu.
I think you joined RMIM and RAMLI later. Otherwise you would have
definitely read series of articles under thread "Guddu sucks !!".
Guddu was a **** ( I can't find words to descibe, and don't want to
use dirty words ) movie.
For those who have been fortunate not to have seen "Guddu", but would
like to know what kind of **** it is , I have attached its story at the
end of this mail without letting my bias creep in. I don't know who is
to be given credit for writing such a detailed description of the story,
I got this over email from a friend. Please voice your opinion about the
story, if you can write it down without using dirty words.
ANWAR> Let me give you two more examples. Agneepath flopped,
ANWAR> yet Amitabh won the national award for it. Also, Anjaam
ANWAR> flopped, yet Shah Rukh won best villian for it. What I'm
ANWAR> saying is, if these two actors' movies flop, it's not
ANWAR> because of them... it's because of other factors. They're
ANWAR> both great. Even in their worst films.
We have had enough examples : As I said "Toofan" was pathetic. That
doesn't mean to say Amitabh is not great, but it definitely means
that his performance was nowhere near great in it. As I said, even
Amitabh would like to forget his "Toofan" performance. Same can be
said about Guddu. ( I hope some interviewer asks SRK this question some
time )
No need to compare these two movies with "Agnipath" or "Anjaam".
-Kuntal.
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Sharukh being the only son of a very rich lawyer has a macho man hero
image in his college. After some small got-up conflicts, Manisha and
Sharush fall in love of each other. Sharukh's father is a stubborn
aetheist while his mother is a great great devotee to Lord Krishnaand spends
most of the time in the Puja room. Sharukh and Manisha are adventurous and go
for gliding andmeets an accident as a result of Sharukh's breakdown due\
to a bad pain in the head which later was disclosed as brain tumor. Manisha
loses her eyes in the accident. Sharukf becomes a guilty concious brooder
thinking that Manisha has lost her eyes due to him only. One day he happens
to hear the conversation between his parents and the family doctor and come
know that he has a lifetime at most of four more months. He becomes happy
thinking that his beloved will get the eyes after his death. His father arrange
great treatment in America to get their only child cured but Sharukh refuses.
His father then gets angry and declares that he is not going to give the eyes
to Manisha after Sharukh's intehan. So a great fight starts between the father
and the son and ultimately they go to the court. Sharukh's mother , in all these
circumstances performs her puja in the big puja room and give flowers to
everybody and shanti jal to everybody(which Sharukh's father refuses to take
and Sharukh make some cocktail with orage squash to keep his mother's
and father's words). Then the judge asks Diptinaval(sharukh's mother) to come
to the court and asks her preference regarding giving Sharukh's eye to manisha
after Sharukh's death. Sharukh's father's reason , however is that his son will
lose the will to survive once hid parents agree to donate his eyes to Manisha.
And then Dipti Naval loses sense in the court room. Next day, his father is late
to reach office due to a traffic jam and Sharukh gets the walk over. And after a long run
when his father reaches the court , he loses his sense and Sharukh again
gets the pain in his head and both of them are admitted to the hospital.
When Dipti gets this news, she completes the puja with the purohits and closes
the door of the puja room and has a one-to -one conversation with Lord Krishna
cursing him . She is paying so much of devotion to the lord and this is the
result she is getting!! Then she starts uttering "hare krishna" on a hartal
basis , i.e, as long as she is not getting the result, her prayer will go on.
After five days, the brain tumor got operated successfully and Sharukh's father
was also out of danger and comes back home hurriedly from the hospital bed as soon
as he gets his sense back(one servant told him that maji has kept
herself locked in the puja room for last five days, without any food or water).
Sharukh's father conmes back at the last moment and she dies while uttering
hare krishna. Then her eyes seem to light all the lamps of that room(some
symbolic stuff which I didn't understand) and were transplanted in Manisha's
eyes. The last scene was that Manisha had twin babies whose names are kept
according to the name of two Gods - one hindu and one Muslim. Thus the story
ends with a moral pronounced in the background.
--
Devashish Saxena
EXTRA things that have been the reason for SRK movies' successes - but when
listing Aamir's movies - he seemed to forget them .... let me help here:
- QSQT: excellent music, brilliant direction, awesome supporting cast
including Aloknath, Reema Lagoo, and a brilliant performance by the guy who
played Aamir's dad (I'm sorry I am drawing a blank on his name ...)
- JJWS: once again good music, excellent direction once again by Mansoor
Khan, and definitely the great script needs some credit ....
- DIL: what about great music, and need I mention - Madhuri?
- RANGEELA: What about some absolutely incredible music by Rahman?? Great
direction by R G Sharma ... but most of all the music ....
- DHMN: Very very popular great music, good direction, good job by Pooja ....
As can be seen (I hope) there always are many elements that contribute to a
movie's success whether the hero is Shah Rukh or Aamir ....
--
Devashish Saxena
ANWAR SADAT
No way, you must be crazy. How can u say that DDLJ was a hit because
of Kajol? And even more importantly, how can u say that Baazigar was a
hit because of Kajol when she was so insignificant in the movie. And
even more importantly, how can u say that Darr (of all films!) was a hit
because it had foreign shootings in Europe. That must be the DUMBEST
criteria that I have ever heard in my life. If every movie that shot in
Europe was a hit, then Lamhe would have been a hit too, right?
Incidentally, Yash Chopra initially asked Aamir to do the role of Shah
Rukh in Darr, but he didn't have the balls to do it! And even if he did,
there is NO WAY he could have matched Shah Rukh's now-famous, "I love
you, K-k-kiran!!!" NO WAY! End of story!
Ramesh S
ANWAR> Devashish, I'm behind u all the way (I'm sure that's a real big
ANWAR> surprise to everyone! :) ) Shah Rukh was incredible in DDLJ, as he is
ANWAR> in all his movies. You gave a good example of the Rukhster's acting.....
ANWAR> Here's one of my favourite parts though..... Remember when Simran asks
ANWAR> Raj if he will come to her wedding, and he just smiles and says no? I
ANWAR> think this was a REALLY original idea. It was so simple, yet it said so
ANWAR> much, and it led perfectly into the song "Hogaya Hai Tujko To Pyar..."
ANWAR> This is what movies sometimes lack today. A hero doesn't always have to
ANWAR> run around a tree and sing a song to express his love. In the old
ANWAR> black-and-white films, the actors and actresses said more with their
ANWAR> facial expressions, hand gestures, etc. They used these things as
ANWAR> methods to get their message across. In DDLJ, we got a taste of this.
ANWAR> Raj did not actually say anything of significance to Simran, yet she
ANWAR> immediately understood that he cared for her a great deal. That scene
ANWAR> was great. The Rukhster's face is capable of expressing a very wide
ANWAR> variety of emotions, as this scene really illustrates.
So as for me, my vote goes to *SHAH RUKH KHAN* all the way.
Incidentally, I must say that Aamir is also a great actor. He's very
charming, but....... I just feel as if he's somehow lost his magic
touch. Ever since Shah Rukh has come into the industry, he always seems
to be stealing the show!
Later, dudes!
- Sadat (A TRUE SHAH RUKH FAN!)
Guhan>> You must be dreaming.Now let us take a logical stand to this.I feel
DDLJ was a hit because Kajol was in it.Not SRK.Why..
1)He is NOT charming,charismatic or anything that is vaguely connencted
to what any sane person can call good looks.If you say Aamir does not
have charisma in him you must be blind or sarcastic.Again in the context
of DDLJ it was the magic of kajol that carried him along.
Next point
2) SRK hair stlye (if you do insist it is a style) can be mistook for a
porcupine bristles.
3) All his hits were so not because of individual contribution more due
to other reasons:-
1) Bazigar: Kajol,Excellent music score.Good story line(Copied)
Popular misconception SRk actually acted well.
2) Darr:Excellent music score again,Yash chopra,Europe and to a
small extent the hype resulted due to Bazigar.
3) RBG:Nana Patekar,Excellent music score,Juhi.
4) DDLJ:Well I have articulated on this previously.
But Aamir could have done just a good job in all these movies and making
it a hit but put SRK in aamir shoes (Hope it fits him) he would have produced
more flops then he has.
QSQT: Well Aamir started that choclate box so cuuute know!! types.And
SRK would have murdered it .
JJWS:No,SRK in it,A Joke!!!!
DIL: Let us not talk about SRK actually trying to dance.Looks like a
wet chicken trying to dry itself.
RANGEELA:Well SRK is not that type.Can do only one role.That which is not
in the lime light.Happy to be in others shadow.
HRPK: Another feather to Aamir's cap.A versatile acter.
DHMN And the list goes on
In all SRK is a total zero,is just that he is in a splendid dream
and will be rudely woken up.
And please dont even dare to compare SRK with Amitabh.It would be
felony and even more an insult to any sane soul who watch bolly
wood movies (Popular misconception these souls are not sane).Please
don't sin.Piece of good advice.
Deldar Chugg
I agree with you a hundred percent, Anwar. What kind of preposterous
stuff is this Ramesh guy writing? If he seriously believes in what he is
saying, then I must say that there is something very wrong with him.
Shahrukh Rules
Deldar Chugg
letter very similar to yours showing Guhan that the very weapons that he
used against Shahrukh can be used against virtually any actor.
Deldar
S.Jagadish
> including Aloknath, Reema Lagoo, and a brilliant performance by the guy who
> played Aamir's dad (I'm sorry I am drawing a blank on his name ...)
Dalip Tahil
> - RANGEELA: What about some absolutely incredible music by Rahman?? Great
> direction by R G Sharma ... but most of all the music ....
R G Varma : Ram Gopal Varma
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Kuntal Shah
Some correction :
Devashish> - QSQT: excellent music, brilliant direction, awesome
Devashish> supporting cast including Aloknath, Reema Lagoo, and a
Devashish> brilliant performance by the guy who played Aamir's dad
Devashish> (I'm sorry I am drawing a blank on his name ...)
Dilip Tahil - but I won't say it was brilliant performance.
Devashish> - RANGEELA: What about some absolutely incredible
Devashish> music by Rahman?? Great direction by R G Sharma
Devashish> ... but most of all the music ....
RG Verma, not Sharma....
-Kuntal.
Meenakshi Abbi
>Rukh in Darr, but he didn't have the balls to do it! And even if he did,
>there is NO WAY he could have matched Shah Rukh's now-famous, "I love
>you, K-k-kiran!!!" NO WAY! End of story
I don't think SRK's K-k-kiran was such a great thing.. now it seems like
SRK cannot go through one movie without souunding like he did in Darr.
Well, about the contoversy.. Unfortunately, I have not seen Aamir's
recent movies :AHAT and Rangeela, but from past movies (Dil, QSQt, JJWS,
DHKMN) he seems to be the type of actor that completely puts himself into
the character.. whereas SRK puts a little of himself into each character
so that there is not much diffrence in the characters.. I mean you can
tell it is SRK!.. I really don't know which is better.
And as for DDLJ.. KAjol was not the best part of the movie.. come on..
she did nothing.. Even SRK had to do all the dancing becasue Kajol can't
(This is the first movie I have seen where the hero dances more than the
heroine. Though this can show SRK's good dancing skills (doubt it) I
think instead it shows how bad KAjol is at dancing)
I think SRK was the best part about the movie.. but I am not sure if it
is SRK or the character he played Raj.
As for if others could have played Raj.. yes.. I even think Aamir
could've done as good or better job than SRK. ( AT least he doesn't
talk like SRK! :))..
Meenakshi Abbi
(sorry for rambling)
Ranjit Gupte
:=>>>>>> "Devashish" == Devashish Saxena <dsa...@bnr.ca> writes:
:=> Some correction :
:=> Devashish> - QSQT: excellent music, brilliant direction, awesome
:=> Devashish> supporting cast including Aloknath, Reema Lagoo, and a
:=> Devashish> brilliant performance by the guy who played Aamir's dad
:=> Devashish> (I'm sorry I am drawing a blank on his name ...)
:=> Dilip Tahil - but I won't say it was brilliant performance.
Actually, it's "Dalip" not "Dilip".
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ANWAR SADAT
Deldar Chugg <pro...@nyc.pipeline.com> wrote:
I agree with you a hundred percent, Anwar. What kind of preposterous
>stuff is this Ramesh guy writing? If he seriously believes in what he is
>saying, then I must say that there is something very wrong with him.
>Shahrukh Rules
Yaar, I LOVE you.... that's all I have to say! :)
Let's all get together now and start a Shah Rukh Khan newsgroup!
Hardik G Sanghvi
>In article <4adhav$n...@pipe6.nyc.pipeline.com>,
>
>
>
> Yaar, I LOVE you.... that's all I have to say! :)
>
>
> Let's all get together now and start a Shah Rukh Khan newsgroup!
>
>
if Group(SRK)->NO SRK Posts on RMIM
if Group(SRK)->NO SRK Posts on RAMLI
if NO SRK Posts on RMIM->RMIM Without Junk
if RMIM without Junk->RMIM = Fun To Read!!
if RMIM without Junk->RAMLI = Fun To Read!!
Group(Srk)
Group(Srk)-> No Junk!
Conclusion : No Junk -> RMIM And RAMLI = Fun To Read!!
-=Sandip=-
Ranjit Gupte
:=>In article <4adhav$n...@pipe6.nyc.pipeline.com>,
:=>Deldar Chugg <pro...@nyc.pipeline.com> wrote:
:=> I agree with you a hundred percent, Anwar. What kind of preposterous
:=>>stuff is this Ramesh guy writing? If he seriously believes in what he is
:=>>saying, then I must say that there is something very wrong with him.
:=>>Shahrukh Rules
:=>
:=> Yaar, I LOVE you.... that's all I have to say! :)
:=> Let's all get together now and start a Shah Rukh Khan newsgroup!
Ouch! Puke!
I was not aware that SRK has got a "P-pppp0pppublicity agent" in
Nnnnnnnorth America. I am really tired of this "SRK is the greatest
ever" song by AnwarJi. Let's move on..IMO, Aamir and AnilK are much
better actors than SRK. To mention Nasir, Nana and AB(to some extent)
in same breath as SRK is ludicrous.
Seriously, Anwar, are you his publicity agent???
YYYYYyyyawnnn.
-badRanjit ;)
Hardik G Sanghvi
>
>
>
> Yaar, I LOVE you.... that's all I have to say! :)
>
>
> Let's all get together now and start a Shah Rukh Khan newsgroup!
Yes, please do!! We would be more than happy to help you start the
new group.!!! Than, you can take all ur SRK Crap over there!! Which means
no SRK posts on RAMLI or RMIM!! Which means no ANWAR S.!!!!!
-=Sandip=-
Kuntal Shah
ANWAR> Let's all get together now and start a Shah Rukh Khan
ANWAR> newsgroup!
Great idea !!
Let us name it rec.humour.srk :)
-Kuntal.
SINGH, ASHOK
> Incidentally, Yash Chopra initially asked Aamir to do the role of Shah
>Rukh in Darr, but he didn't have the balls to do it! And even if he did,
>there is NO WAY he could have matched Shah Rukh's now-famous, "I love
>you, K-k-kiran!!!" NO WAY! End of story!
Aamir Khan walked out of DARR because Yash Chopra refused to have
a joint narration of the script with Sunny Deol. The way Aamir interpreted
the script, the film was sympathetic to the character he was to portray and
more importance was given to that character. He didn't want to work on a
film where the other hero may walk out if he is unhappy with his role. But
Yash Chopra refused to give a joint narration and even though the film was a
hit, Sunny Deol was upset with the director because he thought his role was
a lot bigger than Shahrukh Khan's. Yash Chopra also did this when he gave
credit for the script of DILWALE.. to Aditya Chopra when Honey Irani was
involved as well. In SILSILA he replaced Parveen Babi and Smita Patil and
asked Amitabh to tell them.
In all Aamir Khan's multi-starrers, he only agrees to do the film
only if the director gives a joint narration with the other hero. This is
what happened with RANGEELA and that's why you don't hear Jackie Shroff
complaining about his smaller role.
Ashok Singh
Syed Rizwan
> Ooooooooooh, now you've really hurt my feelings!! Waaaaaaaah!
>Haahahaa! But seriously man, from the way things are going, I'm thinking
>of skipping Shah Rukh and just creating my own fan club/newsgroup! What
>do u say to that.... Will u help me create it?
Hey, that sounds like a great idea dude. You see, most people on here
wouldn't know how to appreciate a good thing like yourself when it hit
them square in the forehead. These idiots aren't worthy of one as
'mahaan' as yourself. What I would suggest is that you do thy bidding
and DO start your own fan club/newsgroup. Just imagine, you could post
self-gloating posts 10, 20, 30 times a day. Imagine the ego-boots THAT
would provide eh? Better yet, why start a newsgroup that all these
blubbering idiots will have access to? You should just sit at your
computer at home, pull up the word-processing SW and start writing a
letter praising your verbal, as well as your physical, prowess. Once
its complete, you could just click on 'new document' and start all over
again. I'm tellin' ya, nothin' could beat that. :)
> And by the way, yes, I'm Shah Rukh's publicity agent in N.A. Does
>someone have a problem with that? 'Cause if u do, I'll have u know that
>I'm also going to be Shah Rukh's psychotic side-kick in one of his
>upcoming movies! :)
That's great, we'll have our very own, "The Dynamic-Duo." Heck, we could
make a movie off of it, "The Dynamic-duo of Cyberspace: Bollywood
wannabes" That would absolutely ROCK.
Rizwan
P.S. For the 'humor-impaired' this WAS meant to be humorous, nothing more.
P.P.S The mention of the movie at the end makes it relevent to RAMLI. :)
ANWAR SADAT
Hardik G Sanghvi <hsan...@ic.sunysb.edu> wrote:
>if Group(SRK)->NO SRK Posts on RMIM
>
>if Group(SRK)->NO SRK Posts on RAMLI
>
>if NO SRK Posts on RMIM->RMIM Without Junk
>
>if RMIM without Junk->RMIM = Fun To Read!!
>
>if RMIM without Junk->RAMLI = Fun To Read!!
>Group(Srk)
>
>Group(Srk)-> No Junk!
>-=Sandip=-
Do you care to translate for me now, Sandip? :) Is this English or
Gibberish?
*
*
*
*
*
Hardik G Sanghvi
>In article <4ahlei$k...@abel.cc.sunysb.edu>,
> Yes, please do!! We would be more than happy to help you start the
>>new group.!!! Than, you can take all ur SRK Crap over there!! Which means
>
>
> Ooooooooooh, now you've really hurt my feelings!! Waaaaaaaah!
>Haahahaa! But seriously man, from the way things are going, I'm thinking
>of skipping Shah Rukh and just creating my own fan club/newsgroup! What
>do u say to that.... Will u help me create it?
>
>
>someone have a problem with that? 'Cause if u do, I'll have u know that
>I'm also going to be Shah Rukh's psychotic side-kick in one of his
>"agent"... what does that make you? Akshay's secret undercover agent on
>the Internet? Ha! Come on Sandip....!
Hey!! Let's stop for a second!! I was not the one who called you
SRK's Publ. Agent! Nor did I say Anything about Akshay K. Why do u think
I am AK's undercover Agen?? The only time I might have said something
in favor of Ak is when you wrote the stupid article about Hindu Media!
Enven then, I did not favor AK!
As for your news group, I would be happy to help you start your
own newsgroput given that after the new groput, yout wont post on RAMLI/RMIM:)
-=Sandip=-
Hardik G Sanghvi
>In article <4ahm0s$l...@abel.cc.sunysb.edu>,
>Hardik G Sanghvi <hsan...@ic.sunysb.edu> wrote:
>>
>>if RMIM without Junk->RAMLI = Fun To Read!!
>>Group(Srk)
>>
>>Group(Srk)-> No Junk!
>
>>-=Sandip=-
>
&c[27;-387R>
>
> Do you care to translate for me now, Sandip? :) Is this English or
>Gibberish?
I knew You would have problem with this one! Because...
it's Logic!!
-=Sandip=-
:)
Ikram Ahmed Khan
: asi...@vax2.concordia.ca (SINGH, ASHOK) wrote:
: > Aamir Khan walked out of DARR because Yash Chopra refused to have
: > a joint narration of the script with Sunny Deol.
: >
: > In all Aamir Khan's multi-starrers, he only agrees to do the film
: >only if the director gives a joint narration with the other hero. This is
: >what happened with RANGEELA and that's why you don't hear Jackie Shroff
: >complaining about his smaller role.
: >
: > Ashok Singh
: I don't think Aamir is as honorable as you make him out to be.
: What about Andaz Aapna Aapna? I heard that he became very friendly with
: RAj Kumar Santoshi (to the extent that he made a guest apperance inb
: Santoshi's other movie Damini) so he could cut Salman Khan's role in the
: movie. And SAntoshi listened to him! Unfortunately, though, even though
: his role was smaller, Salman walked away with all the accolades!
And don't we all know enuff to distrust a substantial number of the articles
which seem so deliciously scandalous.
And on seeing the movie, and also speaking totally honestly, I thought that
both were given equal weightage leading to one of the best hero-hero
pairings I have seen on screen recently. (Amitabh-Shashi were the other
grrreat ones that come to mind....And Dharam-Amitabh ka toh kya kehna in
Sholay!! )
Later,
Ikram.
: Meenakshi
Meenakshi Abbi
> Aamir Khan walked out of DARR because Yash Chopra refused to have
> a joint narration of the script with Sunny Deol.
>
> In all Aamir Khan's multi-starrers, he only agrees to do the film
>only if the director gives a joint narration with the other hero. This is
>what happened with RANGEELA and that's why you don't hear Jackie Shroff
>complaining about his smaller role.
>
> Ashok Singh
I don't think Aamir is as honorable as you make him out to be.
What about Andaz Aapna Aapna? I heard that he became very friendly with
RAj Kumar Santoshi (to the extent that he made a guest apperance inb
Santoshi's other movie Damini) so he could cut Salman Khan's role in the
movie. And SAntoshi listened to him! Unfortunately, though, even though
his role was smaller, Salman walked away with all the accolades!
Meenakshi
SINGH, ASHOK
>I don't think Aamir is as honorable as you make him out to be.
>What about Andaz Aapna Aapna? I heard that he became very friendly with
>RAj Kumar Santoshi (to the extent that he made a guest apperance inb
>Santoshi's other movie Damini) so he could cut Salman Khan's role in the
>movie. And SAntoshi listened to him! Unfortunately, though, even though
>his role was smaller, Salman walked away with all the accolades!
Rajkumar Santoshi would not allow an actor to influence him
to cut another's role. In ANDAZ APNA APNA both Aamir and Salman have
practically the same screen time since they are together in most of
the scenes (except the beginning and they both have equal footage). The only
scenes that were edited out or not picturized were two songs. Even Salman
has agreed that what was shown on screen was exactly how Santoshi narrated
the script to Aamir and him. The media created that controversy.
Ashok Singh