Sholay: Simply Awesome
Aditya Basrur
I watched this film this evening, finally. I started it a couple of days
ago, but found time to finish it today. A very memorable way to finish my
20th birthday.
I could rhapsodise about it for several kilobytes, but I doubt I'll be able
to say much that's very new. It's rightfully a classic, and I could
recognise parts of the film from I don't know where. I didn't know that the
"Mehbooba hai Mehbooba" song came from this film. Nor the "Tera kya hoga
Kalia" dialogue either. I watched it with my mother, who didn't see the
film in the mid-70s when it first came out because of the violence. But I
think it speaks volumes for the status the film has that she basically knew
the plot anyway.
A few things that seem to set it apart from other Hindi films I've seen, if
you'll indulge me:
1. Dialogues.
I was relying on subtitles, but everything seemed well-crafted and
well-scripted. I hated Gabbar Singh more than I've hated any villain in a
non-holocaust film. The things he said and did were so horrifying, but
believable all the same. One of my favourite bits was where Jai tried to
talk Veeru up as a suitable match for Basanti - making him sound worse and
worse, while extolling his virtues.
Even the subtleties in the plot were well-thought through. In the scene
where Jai saves Veeru and Basanti has fainted from dancing, you wonder
*why* Amitabh doesn't pick the other guys off there and then, so that
Gabbar remains undefended. I think it emphasises the moral superiority of
Jai and Veeru. The part where the Thakur lets Amjad Khan go (the foot-fight
was one of the few I've enjoyed in films) did the same.
The comedic moments were also not overdone. If the film had any weaknesses,
I think it was the comedians who played the jail superintendent and the guy
at the mill who gave Jai and Veeru Rs. 1000. But there were some very good
comic moments - usually thanks to Amitabh's straight-man humour.
2. Cinematography.
Many Hindi movies I've seen rely on formulaic camera angles. Experiments
end up looking comical. Not in this film. In the fight between Gabbar and
Veeru, the camera focuses on their hands from underneath, giving a unique
perspective and heightening tension. The bit where Jai shoots the guy
coming from under the bridge was also very well done, IMHO.
3. Settings
A lot of films I've seen recently seem unnecessarily to set themselves in
Switzerland, the USA, or "Sundernagar" in NZ. This film showed just how
unnecessary this can be. There were two understated love-stories in the
film, but they seemed much more convincing than the stuff that happens on
the ski-slopes or various colleges in London. There was a sense that it was
a western, but so much more. The village showed a sense of community. The
girl who prayed to Shiva supported the blind imam. (The scene where he
farewells Ahmed was just brilliant, limping up the stairs to the mosque.)
I'm wondering if it's a coincidence that I seem to prefer films shot in
India to big-budget overseas based-efforts.
4. Use of Violence
It was a bloodthirsty tale of revenge, certainly. But when people were
shot - at least in the DVD I had - there was not a whole lot of unnecessary
gore. Even when Thakur's Singh's arms were cut off, there was not a lot of
blood. The story became more palatable as a result, IMHO.
I could go on, but that's enough for the moment. Maybe I should give "Jaal"
and "Jhankaar Beats" and the new Nana Patekar film a miss for a while. My
library also has copies of "Silsila" and "Laawaris". It's quite a
refreshing change, not watching a Hindi film with the sole purpose of
leering at the actress.
Aditya [Hema and Jaya were big losses in that regard, BTW.] Basrur
Tambi_Dude
Yup an awesome movie.
>
> Even the subtleties in the plot were well-thought through. In the scene
> where Jai saves Veeru and Basanti has fainted from dancing, you wonder
> *why* Amitabh doesn't pick the other guys off there and then, so that
> Gabbar remains undefended. I think it emphasises the moral superiority of
> Jai and Veeru. The part where the Thakur lets Amjad Khan go (the foot-fight
> was one of the few I've enjoyed in films) did the same.
in the original ending Thakur kills Gabbar. I saw that ending twice,
didn't like it the first time, but felt it was better the next time.
> 2. Cinematography.
>
> Many Hindi movies I've seen rely on formulaic camera angles. Experiments
> end up looking comical. Not in this film. In the fight between Gabbar and
> Veeru, the camera focuses on their hands from underneath, giving a unique
> perspective and heightening tension. The bit where Jai shoots the guy
> coming from under the bridge was also very well done, IMHO.
Excellent for its time. Some of the high mounted shots were done very well.
Like when Thakur begins his flash back on why he did not pick the gun.
As he narrates, a high mounted shot of Thakur chasing Gabbar on horse is
shown. It was probably taken from top of the hill.
Also when Gabbar wipes out the family, his entry was shown very well.
Slowly coming on his horse from top of the hill.
> 4. Use of Violence
>
> It was a bloodthirsty tale of revenge, certainly. But when people were
> shot - at least in the DVD I had - there was not a whole lot of unnecessary
> gore. Even when Thakur's Singh's arms were cut off, there was not a lot of
> blood. The story became more palatable as a result, IMHO.
Blood was carefully avoided, in accordance with Censor's rule at that
time.
rk-
ps: could you make out before interval that Thakur was armless. I know few
americans , who saw that movie based on my recommendation, did not.
Loony Tunes
"Aditya Basrur" <aditya...@hot-mail.com> wrote in message
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>
> I could go on, but that's enough for the moment. Maybe I should give
"Jaal"
> and "Jhankaar Beats" and the new Nana Patekar film a miss for a while. My
> library also has copies of "Silsila" and "Laawaris". It's quite a
> refreshing change, not watching a Hindi film with the sole purpose of
> leering at the actress.
I liked both of those. Laawaris for nostalgic reaons. AB has some very good
one-liners in this. Back those days, I was an hardcore Bachhan fan.. I
wanted Laawaris to beat the crap out of Ek Duje ke Liye as both were going
ahead to become Golden Jubilee hits.(50 weeks in the same theater...WOW)
Regarding Silsila..... I was in Bombay then.... I distinctly remember my
classmate walking up to our group and saying that apparently here's the deal
with the movie (based on what he has heard/read)...If the movie becomes a
hit...then Amitabh is going to leave Jaya and marry Rekha...if not...he will
forget Rekha forever... Myself and my friends didnt see this movie then. I
saw it much much later and happened to talk about it with some friends with
whom I am still in touch with... The movie was not a hit but we kids were
very thrilled in playing a part that saved a marriage. BTW, I liked Silsila
when I saw it later.
Come to think of it, IMO the movie was rated 'A' (adult)... My folks wouldnt
have let me see it anyways as I was still in secondary school then. I
remember having insisted on my parents not seeing it either for the same
above mentioned reason. I think they saw it anyways.
Aditya Basrur
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> rk-
> ps: could you make out before interval that Thakur was armless. I know
few
> americans , who saw that movie based on my recommendation, did not.
>
I was pissed with him for not saving Amitabh during the initial encounter.
I wondered why he didn't pick the gun up. I asked my mother, who told me.
The reason I couldn't pick it up myself was because his arms were inside
his kurta, making the draping of the shawl seem as if it was across a full
torso rather than an armless one. Even when you could see the kurta without
the shawl, it was obvious that the arms were inside the kurta - no digital
remastering in those days, I guess. He was much fatter than the guy in the
flashbacks, making it seem like he had arms when wearing the shawl.
Seems like many of the actors in the film died early, from what Mummy was
saying. Sanjeev Kumar and Amjad Khan. Seems like a stunning cast though.
K3G was meant to be similar in terms of cast value, but I think this film
was much better.
Cheers,
Aditya
Cricketislife!
Saw 3/4ths of Deewar last night on Set Max (tonight Don at 9.00pm in
the Bacchanalia on Set this month (thurs and fri)
Aadi, See Deewar if u can. Intense, angry, Bacchan at his best. Its a
wonderful movie within all the parameters of commercial cinema, It has
ma ka sentiment, childhood lost, anger at the society (which was very
apt in 70s; congress had failed, the next generation after the freedom
fighters formed the youth of the age, thier disenchantment with the
things as they were, bureacratic corruption , the period of Indira
Gandhi's Emergency) and people needed to vent their anger and found
it in Big B doing it for them in style on screen. He is the classic
'solitary figure' in society, at drift from his family,venting anger
at the soceity, law, and fight for a common man's survival in this
jungle. As dialogue in another movie (agneepath) of his summarises
this characters feelings towards ruthless city ' Yeh kahno ko shahar
hai, sirf kahne ko, jungle ka kanoon chalta, maloom, jungle ka..'
He was to do that repeatedly in many of his movies.
The movie starts off with B' father (I have always found that actor
irritating to watch) as a mill employees' moralistic and highly
respected leader,, involved in a strike. but the mgt threatens him
with his family safety and he yeilds and signs the deal to end the
strike. The labourers get angry, call him names, that he is a chor
etc.. the father in shame, flees the town, catches a train and goes
off.
cut to the lonely abla nari (that irritating Nirupa roy), with her two
sons. interesting scene occurs here as the boy B. is constantly teased
in saying that tera baap chor hai (ur father is a theif) and they
infact tatoo it in his arm 'mera baap chor hai' (my father is a
thief)
That deeply affects the kid, in his psyche and throughout his life he
is not able to forget those childhood days
the mother leaves to the city, with her kids, and then the movie rolls
on. to the tale of two brothers, one a honest policeman, and the other
a outlaw. . I wont give away anything more.. but it gets all fast
paced from here, Bacchan looks angry, walks angrily, talks in anger!
I cannot see any other actor doing this so convincingly.
The movie is every bit formualeic as we know it now, but it was a
trendsetter back then. But even when u watch it now, u can see that
the ernestness behind it, the seething anger well enacted by B, movie
rolls along the formulaiec boundaries (the angry young man, two
brothers vying for their mother's love, etc)..
but has that extra 'Jazz' to keep us engrossed.
B in his casually knooted blue shirt, his lucky charm the badge no 786
, the no which stands for Bismillah-e-Rehemane Rahim. (another great
hindu-muslim emotional symbol of the salim-Javed the writers) and
which saves his life a couple of times, B portrays wonderfully, the
intense anger of his character.
There are some very classic scenes in the movie, a young B as a shoe
shine boy, refuses to pick up money thrown at him. by the friend of
Big Seth' (nicely played by Iftikar), the pride of young boy. we
return to this again later on in his adult. as this time Iftikar
throws money on the table as payment for B . Bachhan looks up, reminds
him about the young boy who used to shine seth shoes many years back
and then says' Main, aaj be feke hue paise nahi uthatha' ( Even
today, I dont pick up money thrown at me) Bacchan wondeful voice, his
way of dialogue delvery , the character in the movie transforms this
simple line to a classic.
there are lots of similar classic dialogues in this movie. Sample this
from Shashi ' yeh duniya train ki third class dibba ki taraf hai,
musafir jyaada, jagah kam, main bait jaatha, to tum khade ho jaate'
This is said to another unemployed youth for whom, shashi leaves his
job.
then are lots of other scenes with Shashi K the most famous one being
under the bridge. the famous 'mera paas Ma hai!', ...B who refuses to
go the temple finally going in the end, another classic scene there.
ALl in all , a movie definitely worth watching, esp when u take in the
background of the movie, the times it reflected ( a pet theme of mine,
as RSCers would know :-) ), the failed dreams of youth, reflecting
anger.
and even when u discount all this sociological trash! the movie as a
story, acting, pace is good enough to make it a must see hindi film.
Cricketislife!
<cil!@despammed.com> wrote:
>Deewar, 1975, director Yash Chopra>
>
>
Do see this link to take a look at this classic poster of that movie
http://www.allposters.com/gallery.asp?aid=187318&item=386827
.
Raghu Jetley
> The movie starts off with B' father (I have always found that actor
> irritating to watch)
Satyan Kappu.
> There are some very classic scenes in the movie, a young B as a shoe
> shine boy, refuses to pick up money thrown at him. by the friend of
> Big Seth' (nicely played by Iftikar), the pride of young boy.
"Yeh tho lambi race ka ghoda hain"
Another memorable dialogue in the movie.
> then are lots of other scenes with Shashi K the most famous one being
> under the bridge. the famous 'mera paas Ma hai!',
Another famous incident in the movie is the one with AKHangal & his
son who steals bread.
> ...B who refuses to
> go the temple finally going in the end, another classic scene there.
AB says to God - "Aaj tho tum bahut kush hoge"
> and even when u discount all this sociological trash! the movie as a
> story, acting, pace is good enough to make it a must see hindi film.
Must see a 100 times.
Cricketislife!
' each actor wanted to play the other's role. Thakur's and Gabbar's
role were the juiciest ones. Amitabh Bachhan and Sanjeev Kumar wanted
to play Gabbar. Dharmendra wanted to play the Thakur. But he relented
when the director informed him that in this case Sanjeev Kumar would
play Veeru and get the heroine. Sanjeev had just then proposed
marriage to Hema. Dharmendra was in love with her and so it did not
take "Paaji" a single moment to go back to the role of Veeru. Danny
was the initial choice for Gabbar….and both Thakur and Gabbar revolved
in every aspect of the story of an epic called Sholay.
Shekhar Kapoor puts forward the best description of Sholay when he
says "There has never been a more defining film on the Indian screen.
Indian film history can be divided into Sholay BC and Sholay AD".
...'A description of the famous overhead tank scene where Dharmendra
threatens Mausi with suicide and Jai attempts at making a proposal of
marriage was drawn from a real life scene. This was when Javed was in
love with Honey Irani and wanted to marry her. Salim his partner and
the lady's mother were against the tie-up between the two. But very
reluctantly Salim went on to make a marriage proposal on Javed's
behalf and the dialogues between Mausi and Jai were drawn from the
actual dialogues between the lady's mother and Salim.
http://www.boloji.com/bookreviews/014.htm
CiL!
Haan Haan, James Bond ke pauthe hain yeh.
Ram Jaane
> Saw 3/4ths of Deewar last night on Set Max (tonight Don at 9.00pm in
> the Bacchanalia on Set this month (thurs and fri)
>
> Aadi, See Deewar if u can. Intense, angry, Bacchan at his best.
So are you seeing Deewar for the first time? Good Good, atleast
chennaites are now hooking on to Hindi movies :).
>Its a
> wonderful movie within all the parameters of commercial cinema, It has
> ma ka sentiment, childhood lost, anger at the society (which was very
> apt in 70s; congress had failed, the next generation after the freedom
> fighters formed the youth of the age, thier disenchantment with the
> things as they were, bureacratic corruption , the period of Indira
> Gandhi's Emergency) and people needed to vent their anger and found
> it in Big B doing it for them in style on screen.
This is absolute crock. The 70s were a period when the Indian
films focussed on garibi(good) vs ameeri(evil) which had to do
a lot with Indira Gandhi's garibi hatao andolan and nothing to
do with emergency.
> The movie is every bit formualeic as we know it now, but it was a
> trendsetter back then. But even when u watch it now, u can see that
> the ernestness behind it, the seething anger well enacted by B, movie
> rolls along the formulaiec boundaries (the angry young man, two
> brothers vying for their mother's love, etc)..
> but has that extra 'Jazz' to keep us engrossed.
The movie's earnestness has lot to do with Yash Chopra, who
captures the romanticism of an individual taking on the
corrupt world in his own ways, beautifully. The dialogues
are typical Yash Chopra-sque with the protogonist venting
his anger and emotions through poetic dialogue. Of course, i
think this is one of the best performances of AB(i don't know
how he missed the FF award for it).
> and even when u discount all this sociological trash! the movie as a
> story, acting, pace is good enough to make it a must see hindi film.
Actually, just fyi, AB speaking in hushed up tones(as he does in
the last temple scene) started from this movie. It became such a
hit that all his later movies had AB reciting atleast a few
dialogues with the latter part of it hushed up. In fact, he even
repeated it during his anchor role in KBC(don't know whether the
producers asked him to do it or he did it by himself).
-RJ-
ps: The movie also shows how crappy the 80s movies of AB really
were. They are not even in the shadows of MQS, Deewar and Zanjeer
Cricketislife!
wrote:
>So are you seeing Deewar for the first time? Good Good, atleast
>chennaites are now hooking on to Hindi movies :).
No R jaane, I have already seen it a few times, thats why last night I
watched it only 3/4th as told.
and yes Garibi hatao was important but not in the sense u put it or
atleast as I understand u r putting it.
Garibu hatao resulted in 71' stupendous Congress victory in elections.
then the ephoria of war, but soon everything fell . prices started to
raise, tempers began to rise, plus then in 73 the global Oil prices
grew and all this brought death knell to poverty eradication
programmees.
June 25, 1975was the emergency declaration, Deewar I think preceded it
in the same year. My mention was not taht deewar came after emergency
but at that time, when bureacratic crorruption was on, the fresness of
the Independence had gone, it meant nothing to the youth of that age.
1970s started off in war euphoria, gaarib hatao progs and Indira
gandhi popularity grew as she insisted taht bangladeshi refugees
should go back to their land but then soon within 2 years .North India
witnessed demonstrations by public against inflation, rampant
corruption, genral fall in living standards. In June 1975, the High
Court of Allahabad found Indira Gandhi guilty of using illegal
practices during the last election campaign, and ordered her to vacate
her seat. Indira Gandhi ofcourse responded with Emergency
proclamation.
and u must see how Indira gandhi changed during emergency. her whole
garibi focus changed. two of the main features of Emergency was slum
demolitions and forced sterilisations . This sent the signal to the
masses that it was 'Gareeb Hatao' and not Gareebi hatao. the whole
edifice had crumbled.
the constitution rights were freezed which translated into the signal
taht the poor and the masses cannot be trusted with democracy, with
freedom and needed to be forced into patterns of behaviour as
decided by the ruling elite.
It was the failure of that Gareebi hatao programmes that set the 70s
on fire. People felt that it was just a mantra , no method. hence the
anger shown in the public against Establishment. u see if Indira
gandhi is to be credited postitvely, you would not have seen pictures
like that. They were all anti establishment in nature. the anger
against the percieved failure of the politicians, the society to
protect its children, the childhood snatched from so many poor
illeterate children, and also lot of educated youths were there but
unlike the previous era where the fight for independence formed a
ideological vent, a meaning for life etc.. A disillusioned polity was
forming and Hence Indira Gandhi lost completely in the post emergency
elections.
but ofcourse the victoriosu combine couldnt hold it together and
Indira was to return, with the election rally 'Elect a Government That
Works!'
and coming back from OT to that movie, U somehow want to give all the
credit to Yash and Not B. thats peevish. Nobody IMO, Nobody could
have acted so well as B in those roles.
.
Cricketislife!
<cil!@despammed.com> wrote:>
>and coming back from OT to that movie, U somehow want to give all the
>credit to Yash and Not B. thats peevish. Nobody IMO, Nobody could
>have acted so well as B in those roles.
Oops my bad, I didnt read ur lines properly
'Of course, i think this is one of the best performances of AB(i don't
know how he missed the FF award for it).'
Tambi_Dude
> Cricketislife! wrote:
> > The movie starts off with B' father (I have always found that actor
> > irritating to watch)
>
> Satyan Kappu.
maha irritating saala.
>
> > There are some very classic scenes in the movie, a young B as a shoe
> > shine boy, refuses to pick up money thrown at him. by the friend of
> > Big Seth' (nicely played by Iftikar), the pride of young boy.
>
> "Yeh tho lambi race ka ghoda hain"
> Another memorable dialogue in the movie.
>
> > then are lots of other scenes with Shashi K the most famous one being
> > under the bridge. the famous 'mera paas Ma hai!',
much better than this was the spoof by satish shah in some TV
program where he double acts as SK and AB. Hilarious it was
the way he says "mera paas maa hain".
> > and even when u discount all this sociological trash! the movie as a
> > story, acting, pace is good enough to make it a must see hindi film.
>
> Must see a 100 times.
I am sorry the last time I saw was in 1994 in Doordarshan and I
was hardly impressed by it. It was good, but no where a classic.
I don't think I can ever watch it again.
rk-
yeskay
"Cricketislife!" wrote:
> ...'A description of the famous overhead tank scene where Dharmendra
> threatens Mausi with suicide and Jai attempts at making a proposal of
> marriage was drawn from a real life scene. This was when Javed was in
> love with Honey Irani and wanted to marry her. Salim his partner and
> the lady's mother were against the tie-up between the two. But very
> reluctantly Salim went on to make a marriage proposal on Javed's
> behalf and the dialogues between Mausi and Jai were drawn from the
> actual dialogues between the lady's mother and Salim.
I don't know about the real life incident, but the scene is a lift from
'Half Ticket' where a panditji comes to Kishore Kumar's house for
rishta for KK. Not knowing KK is the groom, he talks to KK who
masquerades as a gardner. KK plays along and does the same as what
AB does to Paaji. KK was very funny in that scene too, when acting was
more of physical expression. AB's comic timing is subtle and is more appealing.
Cricketislife!
>
>I don't know about the real life incident, but the scene is a lift from
>'Half Ticket' where a panditji comes to Kishore Kumar's house for
>rishta for KK. Not knowing KK is the groom, he talks to KK who
>masquerades as a gardner. KK plays along and does the same as what
>AB does to Paaji. KK was very funny in that scene too, when acting was
>more of physical expression. AB's comic timing is subtle and is more appealing.
havent seen half ticket but enjoyed AB' acting in that scene.
' Haan Mausi, ab har din to nahi jeet sakta hain na, bechara'!
Yeh Kambhakt Jua hi aisi cheez hai.. Shaadi ho jayegi to kamana be
lagega! phir Nachne vale ke pass be jaana bandh kar dega!
uska khandaan ke baare me pata chalte hi, aapko batadenge..
and then finally
Tho Mausi, rishta pakka samjhu?
.
Raghu Jetley
>>> then are lots of other scenes with Shashi K the most famous one
>>> being
>>> under the bridge. the famous 'mera paas Ma hai!',
>
> much better than this was the spoof by satish shah in some TV
> program where he double acts as SK and AB. Hilarious it was
> the way he says "mera paas maa hain".
I don't which program this was.
However, there was a serial with Satish Shah & Ratna Pathak called
Filmi Chakkar. It's about a family obsessed with Films. In one of the
episodes the 2 kids in the family enact this "Mere paas ma hai" which was
also very funny.
Also there is the underwear ad, where the guy says "Mere paas Maa Ka
Ashirwad aur VIP ka underwear hai".
Tambi_Dude
> Tambi_Dude wrote:
> >>> then are lots of other scenes with Shashi K the most famous one
> >>> being
> >>> under the bridge. the famous 'mera paas Ma hai!',
> >
> > much better than this was the spoof by satish shah in some TV
> > program where he double acts as SK and AB. Hilarious it was
> > the way he says "mera paas maa hain".
>
> I don't which program this was.
IIRC it was Phillips Top 10 in Z TV, a countdown like program of hit songs.
For some time (early 1994) it was compeered by Satish Shah and
Phalguni Seth (she was regular in Z TV programs). PS and Renuka Sahane
also use to compeere a program in Doordarshan about film songs. It was
an interesting program though it use to be broadcasted at odd hours.
This episode was an exception. OW SS and PS made that program unwatchable
due to their vulgar antics. In one episode PS gives him a BJ.
YES !!! SHE GIVES HIM A BJ. All they showed was SS sitting on a chair
and PS's under the table with her head bobbing up-and-down and SS
moaning. I was watching it at my friend's place and our face turned
due to embarrassment (his parents were also there).
Mercifully Z TV took it off soon.
rk-
Loony Tunes
> > > much better than this was the spoof by satish shah in some TV
> > > program where he double acts as SK and AB. Hilarious it was
> > > the way he says "mera paas maa hain".
Satish Shah is another case of wasted potential... He was awesome in Jaane
Bhi Do Yaaron and was a scene stealer for quite a few episodes of Yeh Jo Hai
Zindagi.. (towards the end he was getting boring). He ended up doing some
really pathetic comedy roles later and is now not even an option.
-k
[De'Mello to Tarneja - tumhare se logic mein jeetna mushkil haai...banaao
banaao...pachheeswa mala banaao tum....lekin humko sabse se upar wala mala
pe ek kholi maangta..]
Ram Jaane
> No R jaane, I have already seen it a few times, thats why last night I
> watched it only 3/4th as told.
oh i forgot, you said you have stayed in North for some time. :)
> and yes Garibi hatao was important but not in the sense u put it or
> atleast as I understand u r putting it.
My point is that the 70s movies showing ameeri vs gareebi was
not anyway related to political situation in mid 70s. If
anything it gathered steam during the gareebi hatao andolan
of congress in early 70s and lasted more or less till late 80s
when people had got bored with such movies and the Mumbaiya college
brigade took over with movies like Tezaab and Dil.
OT>>> BTW, FWIW, Indira Gandhi is still reverred for her splitting
Pakistan into two. She may have put people who made noises
(apparently the same people who are ruling the country now
and supporting people like Mayawati and Togadia) behind bars
but she still is the most popular prime minister as Outlook
magazine recently polled and found out.
-RJ-
Shishir Yerramilli
> Cricketislife! <cil!@despammed.com> wrote in message news:<c6q1iv0lih4i88ja1...@4ax.com>...
> > No R jaane, I have already seen it a few times, thats why last night I
> > watched it only 3/4th as told.
>
> oh i forgot, you said you have stayed in North for some time. :)
Oh I forgot,you are an idiot but thank you for reminding again with
your predictably retarded post.
>
> > and yes Garibi hatao was important but not in the sense u put it or
> > atleast as I understand u r putting it.
>
> My point is that the 70s movies showing ameeri vs gareebi was
> not anyway related to political situation in mid 70s. If
> anything it gathered steam during the gareebi hatao andolan
> of congress in early 70s and lasted more or less till late 80s
> when people had got bored with such movies and the Mumbaiya college
> brigade took over with movies like Tezaab and Dil.
The Mumbaiyya college brigade which you despise so much had also made
useless films of SRK big hits.80's movies were all crap and yes a few
Gult directors contributed to the crap,atleast now you will shut up.
>
> OT>>> BTW, FWIW, Indira Gandhi is still reverred for her splitting
> Pakistan into two. She may have put people who made noises
> (apparently the same people who are ruling the country now
> and supporting people like Mayawati and Togadia) behind bars
You are a bigger idiot than I gave you credit for!Gandhis antics
were a symptom of her naked lust for power ,anyone who didnt think
highly of her was thrown in jail.Mayawati maybe a goonda or goondi but
she is not even half as corrupt and psychotic as Indira and Sanjay
were.BTW since when is supporting any political leader illegal that
one has to be thrown in jail.Even Nehru when he banned the RSS,Hindu
Mahasabha after the assasination of your hero Mahagandu ,I mean Mohan
Gandhi , did not throw the supporters in jail ,heck only a handful of
members of those organizations were in jail.You expose yourself as not
only a moron but also a fucking fascist!
> but she still is the most popular prime minister as Outlook
> magazine recently polled and found out.
Is this the same Outlook magazine who felt that SRK was a dumbass?
>
> -RJ-
Shishir Yerramilli
> "Aditya Basrur" <aditya...@hot-mail.com> wrote in message
> news:bfonqc$ij$1...@lust.ihug.co.nz...
> >
> > I could go on, but that's enough for the moment. Maybe I should give
> "Jaal"
> > and "Jhankaar Beats" and the new Nana Patekar film a miss for a while. My
> > library also has copies of "Silsila" and "Laawaris". It's quite a
> > refreshing change, not watching a Hindi film with the sole purpose of
> > leering at the actress.
>
> I liked both of those. Laawaris for nostalgic reaons. AB has some very good
> one-liners in this. Back those days, I was an hardcore Bachhan fan.. I
> wanted Laawaris to beat the crap out of Ek Duje ke Liye as both were going
> ahead to become Golden Jubilee hits.(50 weeks in the same theater...WOW)
>
> Regarding Silsila..... I was in Bombay then.... I distinctly remember my
> classmate walking up to our group and saying that apparently here's the deal
> with the movie (based on what he has heard/read)...If the movie becomes a
> hit...then Amitabh is going to leave Jaya and marry Rekha...if not...he will
> forget Rekha forever... Myself and my friends didnt see this movie then. I
> saw it much much later and happened to talk about it with some friends with
> whom I am still in touch with... The movie was not a hit but we kids were
> very thrilled in playing a part that saved a marriage. BTW, I liked Silsila
> when I saw it later.
>
> Come to think of it, IMO the movie was rated 'A' (adult)... My folks wouldnt
> have let me see it anyways as I was still in secondary school then. I
I have no idea why it will be classified A ,if by adult they mean
incredibly boring !But of course its one of those classy boring movies
,similar to those that ManiRatnam makes(Alai Pulathey is easily the
most boring film he has ever made and thats saying a lot.Kamesh do you
remember that awful film Geetanjali with Nagarjuna,Girija ,I liked it
till the first half.After that ...Pukerama!
Shishir Yerramilli
> Tambi_Dude wrote:
> >>> then are lots of other scenes with Shashi K the most famous one
> >>> being
> >>> under the bridge. the famous 'mera paas Ma hai!',
> >
> > much better than this was the spoof by satish shah in some TV
> > program where he double acts as SK and AB. Hilarious it was
> > the way he says "mera paas maa hain".
>
> I don't which program this was.
> However, there was a serial with Satish Shah & Ratna Pathak called
> Filmi Chakkar. It's about a family obsessed with Films. In one of the
> episodes the 2 kids in the family enact this "Mere paas ma hai" which was
> also very funny.
There was this funny episode in which a film crew decides to shoot
in SS and RP's homes.SS decides to contribute to the script by
suggesting some cheesy lines for the villain when he uses a lighter to
light a cigarrette..."Mujhe aag chalana bhi aata aur bhujana bhi"..The
villain wonderfully portrayed by Makrand Deshpande(the lawyer in
Satya) was brooding,bearded fellow called Papa Natekar (gee,I wonder
who that is based on!)
Loony Tunes
"Shishir Yerramilli" <yshi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:370a0b0.03072...@posting.google.com...
>
> I have no idea why it will be classified A ,if by adult they mean
> incredibly boring !But of course its one of those classy boring movies
> ,similar to those that ManiRatnam makes(Alai Pulathey is easily the
> most boring film he has ever made and thats saying a lot.Kamesh do you
> remember that awful film Geetanjali with Nagarjuna,Girija ,I liked it
> till the first half.After that ...Pukerama!
You can comfortably walk out after the first half of Gitanjali...But..that
was some hit.. I liked the songs a lot. Presently except for O Paapa Laali
the rest are forgettable. One of them ..Jalllantha Kavvintha Kavaali ...
(rain song) is Ilayaraaja's recycling from his own old Tamil stuff I think.
-k
Abhimanyu
> > oh i forgot, you said you have stayed in North for some time. :)
>
> Oh I forgot,you are an idiot but thank you for reminding again with
> your predictably retarded post.
Hey moron, whats the problem with you? Did he say anything against
you for you to get so fluttered and butt in unnecessarily with your
personal abuses? I've started to think after being in this newsgroup
for some time that it is you who has problems with your mental state
and sanity. And you keep proving it time and again like your needless
abuse above.
Cheers,
-Abhi
Shishir Yerramilli
> yshi...@hotmail.com (Shishir Yerramilli) wrote in message news:<370a0b0.03072...@posting.google.com>...
> > > oh i forgot, you said you have stayed in North for some time. :)
> >
> > Oh I forgot,you are an idiot but thank you for reminding again with
> > your predictably retarded post.
>
> Hey moron, whats the problem with you?
Anyone who defends Indira Gandhis tyrannical regime is someone I
would pick a fight with.
>Did he say anything against
^^
I love it when people refer to themselves in the third
person.Seriously man,your assuming another identity and then defending
yourself only makes you look sad and pathetic.For your own sake,stop
doing it.