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dee...@india.hp.com

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May 31, 1997, 3:00:00 AM5/31/97
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HI,
Virasat is a good movie with superb performances by all
especially tabu and govind namdeo.AnilK and Amrishpuri have come
good but not like kamal and sivaji(heard).But it will be unfair to compare
them may be due to the mindset that nobody can perform better .I have not
seen the tamil original.But when i try to compare the performances of
kamal in 'swatimutyam' and anilK's in 'eshwar'..IMO kamal was good.
In virasat Pooja batra is cute.She has tried to emote which does not seem
bad like kamal sidhu in Aar ya paar.Except for two songs other songs
are bad.also what can one expect from anu malik.'Dhol bajne laga' mukha
tune is good but antara does not continue well unlike paayali chun.

Regards,
Deepak Gothe

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May 31, 1997, 3:00:00 AM5/31/97
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dee...@india.hp.com wrote:
>
> HI,
> Virasat is a good movie with superb performances by all
> especially tabu and govind namdeo.
Who is Govind NAmdeo? u mean - Milind Gunaji ?
anil

Sudhir Cheruathur

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Jun 1, 1997, 3:00:00 AM6/1/97
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dee...@india.hp.com wrote:
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> HI,
>
> Virasat is a good movie with superb performances by all

> tune is good but antara does not continue well unlike paayali chun.
> I think even this song Paayali Chun is a copy of a tamil song
from the original tamil movie.. Priyadarshan is at it again... I knew
Virasat would be a remake of some kind....Gardish was a mixture of a couple
of hit Malayalam movies.

~ sudhir

Pradeep Dubey

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Jun 4, 1997, 3:00:00 AM6/4/97
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In article <339124...@iea.com>, Sudhir Cheruathur <sud...@iea.com> writes:
|> dee...@india.hp.com wrote:
|> >
|> > HI,
|> >
|> > Virasat is a good movie with superb performances by all

I agree. I had planned for weeks for KOYLA and found that to be
total 'junk'. I just walked into this one with no idea what to expect
and found it to be quite a gem. The second half performance of
Tabu was nothing short of 'very impressive'. I am very surprised
at this ARR-style music of Anu Malik. If this is his original stuff,
he has proven his talents (again) IMO.

Pradeep
Tabu is so talented and hence another proof that Gulzar is genius :-)

Pankaj Kakkar

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Jun 5, 1997, 3:00:00 AM6/5/97
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Pradeep Dubey wrote:
> Tabu was nothing short of 'very impressive'. I am very surprised
> at this ARR-style music of Anu Malik. If this is his original stuff,
> he has proven his talents (again) IMO.

Ummm.. it is not original. It is Ilayaraaja's copy. And BTW, he *did*
prove his talents again :-).
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Jun 5, 1997, 3:00:00 AM6/5/97
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In article <33963D...@gradient.cis.upenn.edu>, Pankaj Kakkar <pan...@gradient.cis.upenn.edu> writes:
|> Pradeep Dubey wrote:
|> > Tabu was nothing short of 'very impressive'. I am very surprised
|> > at this ARR-style music of Anu Malik. If this is his original stuff,
|> > he has proven his talents (again) IMO.
|>
|> Ummm.. it is not original. It is Ilayaraaja's copy. And BTW, he *did*
|> prove his talents again :-).

That's comforting too. I fail to understand though why is it so
difficult for Ilayaraaja to just do the hindi-version tunes as well.
After all he has done that before, say in: SADMA. And why should
Mr. Anu M accept an assignment of simply retrofitting the IR tunes
to new lyrics. BTW in such a case, Mr. Javed Akhtar, is in a somewhat
constrained situation too. But at least JA was free to a larger extent
to still add his touch. The AnuM job could have been doable
at a much smaller cost by some music arranger. But then may be
the director PD needed a famous MD name to sell. Who knows ... it's too
confusing ...

Pradeep
P.S. I hope the other 'good' Anu M work: Phir Teri Kahani Yaad Aayi
is not a copy too :-(

Venkatesh Jagadeeshwara

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Jun 6, 1997, 3:00:00 AM6/6/97
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Following article is taken from The Hindu online.

``Virasat''

Almost a frame-to-frame remake of the Tamil ``Thevar
Magan'', M.R. Productions' ``Virasat'' transports the
Hindi audience to the rural atmosphere of the south, a
rare occurrence in north movies. It depicts a tale of
love, family prestige, village feuds, etc., driving a
foreign educated youth to stay committed to obligations
to his native soil and even turning a killer by a turn
of events to protect the family honour.

Director Priyadarshan had made subtle changes to suit
the taste of the Hindi viewers without harming the main
story line and the drama content. The powerful
performance of the lead artistes was the main reason for
the success of the Tamil version and whether the same
has been attained in the Hindi is a moot point, because
Milind Gunjal is no match for Nasser, Tabu, the national
best actress award winner with her closely plaited hair,
does only 50 per cent of what Revathi did in the other,
though trying to corner the frames in the famous song
sequence.

Amrish Puri is woefully inadequate as the hero's stern
father while Anil Kapoor vouches for the talent of Kamal
by his lukewarm stuff. Only Pooja Batra equals what
Gouthami did as the sweetheart given up by the hero
while upholding family values and commitments.

Anu Malik has converted the melodious tunes of the Tamil
songs with little variations here and there and they
have been well employed by the director, cinematographer
Ravi K. Chandran producing rich visuals. The original
version certainly has played on the minds of the
principal artistes and their bid to improve upon it has
not met with cent per cent success. Vinay Shukla's
dialogue conveys with depth the many facets of the
drama.

Anil Kapoor lands in his native village with his
sweetheart Pooja Batra whom he intends to marry after
getting his father, Amrish Puri's consent. He dreams of
opening a chain of hotels in the metropolis.

There are two powerful factions in the village, one led
by the strict Amrish Puri and the other by his younger
brother Govind Namdeo, who had suffered a stroke (his is
a pathetic essay, his contorted face adding further to
the misery).

Amrish banks a lot on his younger son Anil as the elder
is a drunkard. The forcing open of the locked doors of
the temple by Anil to show it to Pooja sparks trouble in
the form of riots. Pooja returns to the city. That is
the period when a turn of events including the death of
Anil's father make the hero stay and honour his family
commitments and also try to end the conflict between the
two families. To the disappointment of Pooja, he is
forced to marry Tabu and confronts the devilish schemes
of his cousin, Milind Gunjal meeting him in a duel to
death. Anil comes into his own in the end portion after
being passive most times.

On show at Woodlands.

D. S. RAMANUJAM

Dev Mannemela

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Jun 6, 1997, 3:00:00 AM6/6/97
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In article <5n7b1t$1afi$1...@watnews1.watson.ibm.com>,

Pradeep Dubey <pra...@watson.ibm.com> wrote:
>
>In article <33963D...@gradient.cis.upenn.edu>, Pankaj Kakkar <pan...@gradient.cis.upenn.edu> writes:
>|> Pradeep Dubey wrote:
>|> > Tabu was nothing short of 'very impressive'. I am very surprised
>|> > at this ARR-style music of Anu Malik. If this is his original stuff,
>|> > he has proven his talents (again) IMO.
>|>
>|> Ummm.. it is not original. It is Ilayaraaja's copy. And BTW, he *did*
>|> prove his talents again :-).
>
>That's comforting too. I fail to understand though why is it so
>difficult for Ilayaraaja to just do the hindi-version tunes as well.
>After all he has done that before, say in: SADMA. And why should
>Mr. Anu M accept an assignment of simply retrofitting the IR tunes
>to new lyrics. BTW in such a case, Mr. Javed Akhtar, is in a somewhat
>constrained situation too. But at least JA was free to a larger extent
>to still add his touch. The AnuM job could have been doable
>at a much smaller cost by some music arranger. But then may be
>the director PD needed a famous MD name to sell. Who knows ... it's too
>confusing ...

I don't think it is that difficult for IR.
It might be because the director/producer think he is not well-known
in the North. He never got that big break in Hindi (like Roja
for Rahman) and I have a feeling (from reading some of his
interviews) that he didn't care a while lot about getting into the Hindi field.

I am yet to listen to "Viraasat" sndtrk, so I can't comment on
what songs are copied.

But there was a great choral song in the Tamil original,
that fit so well into the situation. The starting music of that
song was oh-so-perfect..

Someone needs to write on the haromony thread,
about IR's number of (especially in the 90s)
choral songs. They are almost always very good.


Another question, who is the producer of "Viraasat"?

Also has anyone heard "Daud" yet?
It is not yet out in LA..
later,
dev
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dee...@india.hp.com

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On Sat, 31 May 1997 13:24:08 -0700, Anil Ubale <an...@kane.ece.ucsb.edu> wrote:
> dee...@india.hp.com wrote:
> >
> > HI,
> > Virasat is a good movie with superb performances by all
> > especially tabu and govind namdeo.
> Who is Govind NAmdeo? u mean - Milind Gunaji ?
> anil

No,Milind Gunaji is different .He shot into prominence with Fareb.
Govind Namdeo was the main villian in RK's Prem Granth.

---
Deepak Gothe.

easi...@sprynet.com

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In article <devmEBD...@netcom.com>,

de...@netcom.com (Dev Mannemela) wrote:
>
> >
> But there was a great choral song in the Tamil original,
> that fit so well into the situation. The starting music of that
> song was oh-so-perfect..
>
> Someone needs to write on the haromony thread,
> about IR's number of (especially in the 90s)
> choral songs. They are almost always very good.
>

Ok. Here is the starting list. 1. Porri paddadi kanne film devar magan.
The starting kadam music, the first interlude folk violin which slowly
prepares you for the next verse, the whole song connects so well and
wonderfully tuned. 2. channdanam Javvaddu film valli Lovely rthymic song
wonderfully sung by SPB and S.N.Surendar. What I most like about this
song is the way song progresses with both singers singing seperately and
joining slowly together. Most part of song has same beat with some nice
choral singing in the end. 3. Chittagathi Pookale film Rajakumaran What a
lovely song, the humming and chorous has IR stamp. 4. Nattu vassa roja
film aramanai kili Another lovely song, though this song has traces of
another IR song from the film I love india. 5. Usukko usukkondi film
kanmani funky lyrics/song, though it is really good 6. Thai pongalum film
mahanathi Melodious choral song 7.Chemburthi Poovu film chemburthi good
song. But my favorite is nila kayyum neram 8. Adichaachu lovely price
film eramane rojave All the songs in this film are great. This song is
very innotatively tuned. This film has couple of other good choral songs
kalakalakuum and vanna poongavannam and a funky song kalyana tharagere.
Films like veera, pandiyan, I love india, singaravelan has some good
songs too.

After a long time, recently I heard one song in vaidegi katthirundhal. It
is a beautiful song, best example for a simple/choral folk song, which
IR is known for. The song is megam karrukailye pullai. The way chorous is
used in this song is unheard of at that time in Tamil film music. IR used
a very rthymic beat thru out the song.

There are lot of other songs out there, which I could not remember right
now. Any additions/corrections are welcome.

e.hariharan


> Another question, who is the producer of "Viraasat"?
>
> Also has anyone heard "Daud" yet?
> It is not yet out in LA..
> later,
> dev
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Mohammad Ali Ikram

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Jun 7, 1997, 3:00:00 AM6/7/97
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Dev Mannemela wrote:

> Also has anyone heard "Daud" yet?
> It is not yet out in LA..

Daud is amazing, buddy. Just bought it a few hours ago and already
listened to it five times. You gotta like A.R. Rahman to like this
album though, and make sure you listen to it on a good stereo player.
Can't wait for this film now....

Mohammad Ali Ikram

SAMIR AHMAD SIDDIQUI

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Mohammad Ali Ikram (alii...@netrover.com) wrote:

: Mohammad Ali Ikram


Tell us more!!!!!

-Samir

Mohammad Ali Ikram

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Jun 8, 1997, 3:00:00 AM6/8/97
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To find out more about the music of Daud folks, I suggest you visit the
Indolink website, and check the music reviews section. I have posted my
review there.

http://www.indolink.com/bollywood/index.html

Mohammad Ali Ikram

Muqudar

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Jun 10, 1997, 3:00:00 AM6/10/97
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Tabu rules.... but only after Sridevi!!!

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