Hindustan ki Kasam
Mo
Fighter!
Syed Firdaus Ashraf
<Picture>A still from Hindustan Ki Kasam. Click for bigger
pic!
Wonder how many jailbirds went on to direct Amitabh
Bachchan. We know for certain that at least one did. Name of
Veeru Devgan. Director-producer of the upcoming Hindustan Ki
Kasam.
It was at 14, in 1957 that Veeru took his most serious
decision -- to try his luck in Bollywood. So he and three
other friends fled their homes in Amritsar and boarded the
Frontier Mail without bothering to purchase a ticket.
The ticket collectors missed them for most of the way. But
their run of luck ended at Virar where one of the four was
caught. They ended up at the Virar railway lock-up, a good
distance from the nearest film studio.
"We never knew we had almost reached Bombay. And since Virar
was under the Thane police's jurisdiction, the railway
police took us next day to Thane jail via Dadar by train.
When we alighted at Dadar station, we realised we were in
Bombay," recalls Devgan.
But they were on their way to the court at Thane and so they
bid goodbye to the city to stand before the Thane
magistrate. The magistrate said they'd have to either pay a
fine or go to jail. Being penniless, they cooled their heels
a week behind bars.
They were asked to leave after a week but Veeru was
reluctant since they were at least fed in the jail. But they
had to go. However, the jailer suggested that they try their
luck at Koliwada near Sion since there were a great many
Punjabis like them there.
<Picture>A poster from Hindustan Ki Kasam. Click for bigger
pic!
"We left for Koliwada in a hope that some Punjabi fellowmen
would help us. But we didn't get help from anyone," he says.
The next day, sick and disappointed, Devgan's friends
decided they'd had enough of the city and left for Amritsar.
But Devgan was made of tougher stuff and decided he wouldn't
return till he made his name in the film industry.
In the interim, he set about cleaning taxis and working
part-time job as a carpenter. Once he'd regained some
confidence, Devgan began circling the film studios, hoping
he'd get a chance as an actor. But he realised that his more
conventional mug hadn't a chance among the chocolate faces
that was the standard at the time.
"After seeing my face in the mirror, I felt I was much
inferior to the other strugglers. So I gave up. But I took a
vow then that my first son born would become a hero," Devgan
recalls. That son, you might be interested to know if you
already didn't, was one Ajay Devgan.
Anyway, Veeru, having given up plans to become a hero,
returned to chipping wood. And that was when his granduncle
came down from Amritsar to take him home. His granduncle had
earlier expressed his hope that Devgan would become a
policeman or a tempo driver.
"I was never interested in those jobs. After staying for a
year in Amritsar. I told Nanaji that I would like to return
to Bombay and do something on my own which I knew I could
never do in Amritsar."
And so he returned to resume his aborted career as a
carpenter and took up free-style wrestling on the side.
<Picture>Click for bigger pic!
"I gained expertise in it. And one day I got my first break
as a stunt man in Anita." However, the film didn't see the
light of day due to some financial problems. But with it,
Devgan got a break with well-known fight director Ravi
Khanna.
After a long and arduous time as a stunt man, Devgan got his
first break as a fight director in Manoj Kumar's Roti Kapda
aur Makaan. And then his career picked up, and he soon had a
great many films on hand.
"I have played a stuntman for almost every hero, be it Dilip
Kumar, Dharmendra, Vinod Khanna, Rajesh Khanna or
Jeetendra."
So didn't he come anywhere close to death during that time?
Devgan laughs.
"Death hovers over a stuntman constantly. I have escaped
narrowly so many times that I have stopped giving importance
to such problems."
Aaj mere jism ki ek ek hadi toot choki hai [Every bone in my
body has been broken]," he says.
So, how he get the idea for Hindustan Ki Kasam?
<Picture>Click for bigger pic!
"Actually, I have seen the brotherhood of Hindus and Muslims
before and after Partition. Members of my family were saved
by Muslims during the 1947 riots. I had witnessed it all as
a child in Amritsar.
"I feel that people of both India and Pakistan want
friendship. But it is only the political classes that are
not interested in keeping the peace.
Devgan refuses to give more details about the films and says
the story is worth the suspense. What we do know is that it
revolves around a writer who, in his books, tends to detail
the killing of a group of officers picked to ensure Pakistan
is declared a rogue state. And the army sits up and takes
notice...
How does it feel to have a son become a superstar?
"Obviously, I feel good that my dreams have been achieved."
<Picture>Click for bigger pic!
Like him, Ajay also had to contend with the ordinariness of
his face, compared to the dashing figures cut by compatriots
like Aamir Khan, Salman Khan, Akshay Kumar et al.
"People used to laugh at me and say, Itna ordinary face ka
aadmi hero ban hi nahin sakta [A man with such an ordinary
face cannot become a hero]'. But Ajay has proved his critics
wrong and established himself as an actor since 1991."
According to Devgan, Ajay is the only actor in the film
industry today who can speak through his silence and deliver
dialogues through his eyes.
We drop the matter of Ajay and return to discussing Veeru.
So how has fame changed him?
"I am still the same Veeru Devgan I used to be 40 years ago.
I still prefer to travel by my motorbike -- In fact, I do
that to avoid traffic jams. I am still in regular touch with
my old friends."
And then we pitch the curve ball, about how he never
comments about how he copes up with his daughter-in-law
Kajol.
"The press is always interested in cooking up stories. So,
we decided not to comment anything regarding our personal
life. She is just like my daughter at home. And we all live
together happily."
End of interview.
Mo
as there are bound to be lots of mean nasty political
comments.
For the next year or so while the Indians take advantage of
the conflict and make patriotic theme movies Pakistanis are
going to feel like the Germans when they watch Hollywood war
movies but instead of objecting to these movies the answer
is of course to make their own putting their point of view
forward but there is no point in making 'wholesome ' movies
as it is sex and innuendos which sell and so censoship laws
would have to be relaxed .
Sometimes one wonders if movie makers are so innocent ! .
There is one fat character -Muslim - who keeps falling off
motorcycles but they make him excessively fond of drink too
and its sure to invite fatwas and like Border make this
movie a blockbuster. Two Pakistanis had wandered into the
cinema and all through the first half one kept telling the
other 'I told you we should have gone to see another
movie !' but they seemed to have settled down by the
interval.
Pakistani Punjabis will really enjoy the two Punjabi/Hindi
songs - Tera Jalwa and the Dhaba/Punjabi bar song and the
bridal suite song with the bride dressed in the red dress
unique only in the subcontinent . And the Pakistani female
agent -wow , all red blooded males are going to lust after
her ! Extremely sexy doing her excercises in leotards and
then jumping on her man . Probably the first movie to show
women as sexual agressors .
Indians are not happy with the name 'Bharat' for India as it
has male conotations and like to think of India as female
and so in the excellent Jalwa song India is shown as a
beautiful woman and the song praises all her attribiutes .
There is new Goddess evoving in Hindu mythology - Goddess
India .
The Punjabi bar song is very good too and its interesting to
see the female dancer with currency notes down her bra and I
will leave viewers to find out if the censors allowed the
men to stuff more notes down her bra in that song .
Why is South Asian dress so much more appealing to the eye?
Have a look at the dance by Sen and the girls in western
dance and then a similar dance by Manisha with the girls in
Indian dress similar to that shown on temple scultpures 1000
years ago . There is really no comparison . What one would
like to know from those who are fashion savvy is why does
the Indian dress appeal so much more .
Dialog is excellent - and the verabal repartee is as always
a joy . When Tauheed says to Manisha -who is jumping all
over him 'Women control your passions ' She replies 'what
passion is the passion which can be controlled ?' 'woh
deewangee hi kya deewangee jis pe kabu ho?'
I gave up seeing Bollywood movies when they went off the
big screen and the video copies were so awful but with the
return to the big screen and crystal clear DVD , the awesome
screen prescence that Amitabh has becomes apparent . He is
superb in this movie -also see 'Muqaddar ka Skindar ' on DVD
with subtitles .
Two white girls came in just after the interval and stayed
for the rest of the movie . They were on their own and may
have come early for the following movie but they seemed
quite comfotable and my impression was that they had come
for this movie . Maybe they enjoy the songs and dances and
fashion shows .
Does anybody want to know the story ? Its about twins who
get separated at age 3 -one is taken to Pakistan and raised
to hate India , infiltrates and becomes a guerilla busy
killing Indian Generals . The other stays in India becomes a
writer and because of the communication twins have , gets
dreams of these killings before they are done and writes
best sellers.
Of course the Indian authorities unaware of the bad twin
arent pleased when his thrillers turn out to be true and
give him the third degree .Action sequences eg twins
fighting are excellent . Both faces are shown and one Ajay
delievering a flying karate kick to another is a sight to
behold . Dont know how they do the tricks but its good .
Renegade Pakistani generals decide to assasinate Nawaz
Sharif who is going to India in a small plane to save money
( comic bit ) and maybe it doesnt match Air Force one action
but its still very good .
If I get a chance will get the DVD or see the movie again .
Its very good ..
Mo
They mention V's trip to Pakistan which happened only three
months ago . Normally the movies take at least two years to
make and then have post production editing and dubbing which
takes at least three months ..
A Cassam
Sounds like this movie is an attempt (along with our politicians) to
promote more hatred between the people of India and Pakistan....is it??
If so then shame on the evil people that made this....at a time when
"show biz" people should be bridging the gap.. ...there they are doing
exactly the opposite!
Mo
Pakistani 'khufiya agencies' but a plea for harmony
throughout ..
A Cassam <aca...@home.com> wrote:
Mo,
Sounds like this movie is an attempt (along with our
politicians) to promote more hatred between the people of
India and Pakistan....is it??
If so then shame on the evil people that made this....at a
time when they should be bridging the gap.. ...there they
are doing just the opposite!
A Cassam
Love live the movie makers!!
Abida
A Cassam
Had they waited for all the hype and emotions /hatred etc. to subside...
would have been less popular with the "masses"???
Abida
Richard Turner
writes
>They had to rush it right???
It looks that way. Either that or, as one review I've seen suggests,
it's a remarkable coincidence! :o)
BTW, I'm not sure about Mo's "at least 2 years" figure. The Indian
industry has the resources, and the expertise, to turn out films very
quickly, if necessary. Remember the recent Tamil film that was made in
24 hours!
>
>Had they waited for all the hype and emotions /hatred etc. to subside...
>would have been less popular with the "masses"???
One wonders how much the "masses" actually care about the conflict. It
is quite "close to home" I suppose. As for the heightened emotions, they
will surely continue for a while yet, at least until after the
forthcoming elections. I suggest we simply relax and enjoy the film for
what it is: A snapshot of India in mid-1999. It seems that all the usual
Bollywood ingredients are there. Pakistani viewers shouldn't take too
much offence, I feel. This is the way things are in India right now. We
live in hope that sanity will prevail. Enjoy what is, after all, just a
movie.
>
>Abida
--
Richard Turner
Mo
hypnotise Ajay to get at the dreams he is having . They dont
show the whold induction sequences as Indians would start
practising on each other but what is shown is quite good .
Also people falling off planes . The shot is from the door
of the plane and quite fun to watch the figure vanish into
the distance .
A lot of necessary ultra violence which kept the 4 year olds
goggle eyed . Of course if you tell them its all ketchup
they quite enjoy it . For some reason violence in Bollywood
movies does not seem as menacing as in Hollywood ones - I am
not quite sure why..
Mo
Interview with Ajay Devgan
What is the film all about?
I wouldn’t want to tell you about the character I play,
because if I did, I’d be giving away the story. All I’ll say
is, it does have a message, both for our country and our
immediate neighbours. I hope we do manage to bring it
across.
The never-seen-before action in Hindustan Ki Kasam is said
to be among its highlights.
That’s right. Shot entirely in the USA, they involve five
planes and five copters. They’re sequences of mid-air
fights. As for how we shot them, the cameraman had to jump
from a plane from a height of 14,000 ft and can the entire
sequence with his helmet-bound camera. The artistes were
required to jump from a plane with parachutes, and it did
require some training for a couple of days. The main
artistes seldom ever participate in such risky stunts
abroad. When I did, the action directors in the US were
surprised.
You’ve incorporated Vajpayee’s historical bus diplomacy in
the film. An attempt to make it contemporary?
No. We actually shot the sequence much before the incident
took place.
We don’t believe you.
Ask anybody from our unit, if you like. It’s strange, but
we’d actually shot it as part of our climax much in advance.
So in a way you were predicting the future, do you think?
No, I’d say it was a mere coincidence, more than any
conscious prediction of what was to come. But when it
actually happened, my dad did feel very nice. It’s sad that
after that effort at diplomacy, the two neighbours are back
at war.
What was it like to work with Manisha and Sushmita?
Very good. I’ve worked with Manisha before and I get along
well with her. And Sushmita’s every bit as professional and
fun to work with.
But weren’t you once at loggerheads with Manisha, not so
long ago?
That was ages ago. There were misunderstandings, but those
were sorted out much before Hindustan Ki Kasam and Kachche
Dhaage. In fact during the making of HKK, we actually had a
nice time on the sets.
viv
of a nation called pakistan. I have nothing against the people and in fact
have lot of friends from there. That country should be greatful that they
existed because of the mistake of our beloved Gandhiji.
Why do they have to waste their resources on wars with India when history
has told them that they can never win against their bigger brother. They
should just give up on it and concentrate on feeding the poor.
viv
Mo <10033...@compuserve.com> wrote in message
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Harish C Hari
>
> Its a bit like Border . Fair amount of comment against
> Pakistani 'khufiya agencies' but a plea for harmony
> throughout ..
>
> A Cassam <aca...@home.com> wrote:
> Mo,
>
> Sounds like this movie is an attempt (along with our
> politicians) to promote more hatred between the people of
> India and Pakistan....is it??
> If so then shame on the evil people that made this....at a
> time when they should be bridging the gap.. ...there they
> are doing just the opposite!
MOVIE SUCKS, AMITABH HAS BEEN GIVEN A UNDERDEVELOPED, UNDERWRITTEN
CAMEO, OF ABOUT 30 MINS SCREEN TIME ALL TOGETHER, ALL THE DIALOGUES
SOUND CHEESY, THE ENDING HAD PEOPLE CRINGING HERE AND INDIA, AND THE
RESPONSE HAS BEEN NEGATIVE,, POOR BACHCHAN, WAITING FIOR KOHRAM EAGERLY
Harish C Hari
saab the god of indian cinema, but once again the fucking devguns have
ruined it for him, first in the shitty major saab now here in hkk,
kohram is the one to wait for:)
Harish C Hari
>
> They had to rush it right???
>
> would have been less popular with the "masses"???
>
>
> Mo wrote:
> >
> > A little puzzled about how they managed to be so current .
> > They mention V's trip to Pakistan which happened only three
> > months ago . Normally the movies take at least two years to
> > make and then have post production editing and dubbing which
> > takes at least three months ..
ABOUT THE HARMONY MESSAGE U END UP FEELING SORRY FOR BACHCHAN SAAB,
THINK WHATA CRAP MOVIE IT IS, AND THINK HOW SUSHMITA SENS TITS ARE SOO
PERFECT:), NOTHING ELSE BUDDY, IT SUCKS, IT WILL BOMB, WAIT FOR KOHRAAM
THATS THE REAL COMEBACK:)
A Cassam
From Biwi #1 to this "hate" talk.....what progress!!!!
Mo
shows so it seems like its going to be a very big hit . How
do people know whether a movie is going to be good - is it
because of the music they have heard ?
Some movies which I thought were very good indeed like Anari
No. 1 -and naysayers like Viv and Harish should try and
write a comedy script to see how difficult it is - had very
few people ..
Richard Turner
> The movie has been running house full , even the morning
>shows so it seems like its going to be a very big hit . How
>do people know whether a movie is going to be good - is it
>because of the music they have heard ?
Sukhvinder Singh's music for HKK, with the possible exceptions of "Jalwa
jalwa", and the Burmanesque "Tere dil ke paas", is surely just an
average score. The appeal for many must lie in the "patriotic" theme,
and perhaps also in its use of big names like Amitabh Bachchan.
Incidentally, my apologies for my earlier post on this topic, where I
suggested that Pakistani viewers might be able to enjoy this film. It
appears that I was well wide of the mark.
>
> Some movies which I thought were very good indeed like Anari
>No. 1 -and naysayers like Viv and Harish should try and
>write a comedy script to see how difficult it is
On the contrary, those two excel in writing comedy. It's just
unfortunate that they don't realise they're doing it! Harish is
especially amusing in his juvenile chauvinism. LOL!
>- had very
>few people ..
Regards,
--
Richard Turner
A Cassam
>
> Mo,
>
> > The movie has been running house full , even the morning
> >shows so it seems like its going to be a very big hit . How
> >do people know whether a movie is going to be good - is it
> >because of the music they have heard ?
>
> Sukhvinder Singh's music for HKK, with the possible exceptions of "Jalwa
> jalwa", and the Burmanesque "Tere dil ke paas", is surely just an
> average score. The appeal for many must lie in the "patriotic" theme,
> and perhaps also in its use of big names like Amitabh Bachchan.
>
You've got that right Richard..patriotic themes seem to be always
popular. I'd be really surprised, in spite of what you all are
saying....if this movie does not win a few awards!
///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
> Incidentally, my apologies for my earlier post on this topic, where I
> suggested that Pakistani viewers might be able to enjoy this film. It
> appears that I was well wide of the mark.
Yes Richard...am afraid you were! If you really "cherished" your life...
please refrain from further comments and taking sides :-)) IMHO think
you should go into "hiding" till emotions "chill" out !!!!!
(Not to worry ...just joking!)
Emotions run high and blood starts "boiling" when it comes to discussing
India/Pakistan politics .
///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
Some movies which I thought were very good indeed like Anari
> >No. 1 -and naysayers like Viv and Harish should try and
> >write a comedy script to see how difficult it is
>
> On the contrary, those two excel in writing comedy. It's just
> unfortunate that they don't realise they're doing it! Harish is
> especially amusing in his juvenile chauvinism. LOL!
>
Watch out David Dhawan!!
> >-
Mo
>Incidentally, my apologies for my earlier post on this topic, where I
suggested that Pakistani viewers might be able to enjoy this
film. It appears that I was well wide of the mark. <
the whold movie ! In fact the two renegade Pakistani
Generals get away with making a lot of anti Indian
propaganda .
Are Russians offended by Air Force One where the President
is a peace maker - the Nawaz Sharif lookalike in this movie
is qiute good and NS might have played himself if he had
been offered the role - and a couple of Generals bad guys ?
Until we get reviews from Pakistanis we wont know if they
were offended . These movies are made privately for the
livelihood of million or so Indians and they had to take
advantage of an oppurtunity like this and so are not really
propaganda in that sense .
Tauheed the Pakistani agent is very good and I quite liked
the way he solves the puzzle of tackling the heavy truck
trailer which has bullet proof windows and he is in an armed
helicopter sent out to destroy it . I thought the special
effects were very good . Jumping off a plane and landing on
top of the roof of another one etc..
Mo
>On the contrary, those two excel in writing comedy. It's just
unfortunate that they don't realise they're doing it! Harish
is especially amusing in his juvenile chauvinism. LOL!<
Very good Richard ! Hope these two comedians will respond
with the same wit and not take refuge in bad language..
viv
viv
Harish C Hari <So...@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message
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din...@my-deja.com
few) dont give a shit to the indian movies... full of indirect portraal
of sex, cheap jokes, over acting, f-rated dialogs.. etc etc... no, im
not defending the paki movies, theyre even worse.. but next time, try to
be a bit careful when suggesting an indian movie to us pakistanis....
its always a nice idea to think b4 u write!
regards,
aqib.
In article <MtomJWAz...@chaltechalte.demon.co.uk>,
Richard Turner <ric...@chaltechalte.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> Mo,
>
> > The movie has been running house full , even the morning
> >shows so it seems like its going to be a very big hit . How
> >do people know whether a movie is going to be good - is it
> >because of the music they have heard ?
>
> Sukhvinder Singh's music for HKK, with the possible exceptions of
"Jalwa
> jalwa", and the Burmanesque "Tere dil ke paas", is surely just an
> average score. The appeal for many must lie in the "patriotic" theme,
> and perhaps also in its use of big names like Amitabh Bachchan.
>
> Incidentally, my apologies for my earlier post on this topic, where I
> suggested that Pakistani viewers might be able to enjoy this film. It
> appears that I was well wide of the mark.
> >
> > Some movies which I thought were very good indeed like Anari
> >No. 1 -and naysayers like Viv and Harish should try and
> >write a comedy script to see how difficult it is
>
> On the contrary, those two excel in writing comedy. It's just
> unfortunate that they don't realise they're doing it! Harish is
> especially amusing in his juvenile chauvinism. LOL!
>
> >- had very
> >few people ..
>
> Regards,
> --
> Richard Turner
>
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>frankly, most of the learned pakis (obviously witht he exception of a
>few) dont give a shit to the indian movies... full of indirect portraal
>of sex, cheap jokes, over acting, f-rated dialogs.. etc etc... no, im
>not defending the paki movies, theyre even worse.. but next time, try to
>be a bit careful when suggesting an indian movie to us pakistanis....
>its always a nice idea to think b4 u write!
>regards,
>aqib.
Aqib,
Please note that I did apologise for my error. I can assure you that I
do indeed think before posting! :o) However, it was my understanding
that Indian movies of the "Bollywood" variety were very popular with the
ordinary people of Pakistan. Of course I do not expect such forms of
mass entertainment to be greeted with enthusiasm by the intellectuals of
Pakistan, or any other country.
Best regards,
Richard
--
Richard Turner
Manu
>
> frankly, most of the learned pakis (obviously witht he exception of a
> few) dont give a shit to the indian movies... full of
learned pakis? You must be joking, right?
cyber...@my-deja.com
Hope you realize what you did here.....you opened a "can of worms" here
didn't you???
No body here cares a "damn" about your subsequent remarks made in good
faith taking back your initial comments!!
IMHO this is just enough fuel to spark a full scale war .
And watch out if our tempers "flare" "we too have the damn nuclear bomb
you clowns!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Manu wrote:
>
In article <379EF136...@worldnet.att.net>,
A Cassam
'Incidentally, my apologies for my earlier post on this topic, where I
> suggested that Pakistani viewers might be able to enjoy this film. It
> appears that I was well wide of the mark.'
din...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> frankly, most of the learned pakis (obviously witht he exception of a
> few) dont give a shit to the indian movies... full of indirect portraal
> of sex, cheap jokes, over acting, f-rated dialogs.. etc etc... no, im
> not defending the paki movies, theyre even worse.. but next time, try to
> be a bit careful when suggesting an indian movie to us pakistanis....
> its always a nice idea to think b4 u write!
> regards,
> aqib.
>
A Cassam
like that!
Manu wrote:
>
> din...@my-deja.com wrote:
> >
> > frankly, most of the learned pakis (obviously witht he exception of a
> > few) dont give a shit to the indian movies... full of
>
A Cassam
You are wrong here.....definitely not patriotic Indian movies..no
way...no Thanks Sir!!!
Richard Turner wrote:
>
> In article <7nm8o5$cn0$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, din...@my-deja.com writes
> >frankly, most of the learned pakis (obviously witht he exception of a
> >few) dont give a shit to the indian movies... full of indirect portraal
> >of sex, cheap jokes, over acting, f-rated dialogs.. etc etc... no, im
> >not defending the paki movies, theyre even worse.. but next time, try to
> >be a bit careful when suggesting an indian movie to us pakistanis....
> >its always a nice idea to think b4 u write!
> >regards,
> >aqib.
>
Manu
>
> Now now .....not very nice of you to put down a whole group of people
> like that!
I guess being a Paki is enough humiliation..
A Cassam
Manu
>
> No it's not!!!!!
I would be.. I think the Pakis did something terrible in
their past lives to be born as a Paki!
viv
patriotic movies. Its not my fault if my enemy decides to watch it too. i
guess it should have the surgeon generals warning for my paki friends saying
" watching this movie is injurious to your mental health and may start a
nuclear war".
viv
A Cassam <aca...@home.com> wrote in message
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> Please do note Richard's admission below:
>
> 'Incidentally, my apologies for my earlier post on this topic, where I
> > suggested that Pakistani viewers might be able to enjoy this film. It
> > appears that I was well wide of the mark.'
>
>
>
> din...@my-deja.com wrote:
> >
> > frankly, most of the learned pakis (obviously witht he exception of a
> > few) dont give a shit to the indian movies... full of indirect portraal
> > of sex, cheap jokes, over acting, f-rated dialogs.. etc etc... no, im
> > not defending the paki movies, theyre even worse.. but next time, try to
> > be a bit careful when suggesting an indian movie to us pakistanis....
> > its always a nice idea to think b4 u write!
> > regards,
> > aqib.
> >
Mo
of 10..
Harish C Hari
by every means watch patriotc movies, but not ones such as dire and dull
as hindustan ki kasam, it will bomb, the movie sucks,excpet jalwa and
bachchan and manisha's tits. the movie wont starta nuclear war, indians
arent dumb enough to start a war over such a crap movie, not even worth
arguing abiut hkk is CRAP
Harish C Hari
>
> The reviewer on Planet Bollywood has given it only 3.5 out
> of 10..
cock of the guys aT PLANETBOLLYWOOD, THEIR OPINIONS ARE ALL BIASED AND
UNREALISTIC. for fucks sake, a load of trash which canm be viewed for
the songs only like amnn is given a 9.5/10, and biwi no.1, is given a
9/10, hogi pyar ki jeet one of the worst movies around is given a 7/10
and kaun (which is a genre defining m,asterpiece), is only given a 7/10,
pb sucks, the only decent review given is the one for sooryavansham
which was given a 9/10.
hindustan i kasam at least deserves a 6/10, for bachchan and the song
jalwa jalwa and the action and manisha tits.
Mo
you are going to be shunned..
A Cassam
A Cassam
anamar
For 90% of the time the two Pakistani agents , one male and one female
( gorgeous creature -what is her name ?) rum around in skin tight
black outfits casuing mayhem to the Indian armed forces .
Quite a few splendind stunts . The one with the jeep falling
rom a bridge on to a rail car travelling the other way and then having
to drive fast on the roofs of the rail cars so as not to get crushed
by the bridge was superb . Why cant Hollywood come up with good stunts
like that ? ..
fusenewsgroups
Kashmir i am not expected to have anything but hate for that nation. Sorry
for being a patriot.
viv
A Cassam <aca...@home.com> wrote in message
news:379BF38D...@home.com...
Mo
newsgroup with their bad language and nasty remarks .
Ignore them..
Richard Turner
<10033...@compuserve.com> writes
> Viv and Harish are trolls sent over from Rmim to wreck this
>newsgroup with their bad language and nasty remarks .
>Ignore them..
As a proud RMIMer, I strongly resent any suggestion that these two are
in any way associated with that newsgroup. I suspect that Viv, at least,
is posting here as part of a rehabilitation program, prior to his
release back into the community. Unfortunately, he was given the wrong
NG to subscribe to. rec.arts.morons.local.indian has yet to be created,
though I understand that Sunny Audit is working on it. All posts will be
in Hindi, and must feature gratuitous bad language and references to
women's breasts, so Harish will feel at home there.
None of the above is to be taken seriously. I thank you.
--
Richard Turner
fusenewsgroups
Cassam would you like to become the moderator of your new baby the "Moron
group" as your IQ seems to be rightly suited for it. I am not sick of your
attempts at getting me out of this group so i beg you to keep trying. Maybe
you will be successful some day.
viv
Richard Turner <ric...@chaltechalte.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:Bl7l7iAHjLp3Ew$y...@chaltechalte.demon.co.uk...
SUNNY AUDIT
I know there are some pople who are annoying, but you don't have to read it.
though I understands how Mo, and you feel about them. Like gandhi says, "to
put up with one tolerance is to put with with your test for kindness."
cyber...@my-deja.com
rec.arts.moron. whatever whatever.
Thanks!
In article <Bl7l7iAHjLp3Ew$y...@chaltechalte.demon.co.uk>,
Richard Turner <ric...@chaltechalte.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <6h2p3.12210$ts3.3...@nnrp4.clara.net>, Mo
> <10033...@compuserve.com> writes
> > Viv and Harish are trolls sent over from Rmim to wreck this
> >newsgroup with their bad language and nasty remarks .
> >Ignore them..
>
> As a proud RMIMer, I strongly resent any suggestion that these two are
> in any way associated with that newsgroup. I suspect that Viv, at
least,
> is posting here as part of a rehabilitation program, prior to his
> release back into the community. Unfortunately, he was given the wrong
> NG to subscribe to. rec.arts.morons.local.indian has yet to be
created,
> though I understand that Sunny Audit is working on it. All posts will
be
> in Hindi, and must feature gratuitous bad language and references to
> women's breasts, so Harish will feel at home there.
>
> None of the above is to be taken seriously. I thank you.
> --
> Richard Turner
>
A Cassam
That's exactly what I plan on doing ....for the rest of my life..ignore
them that is! LOL!
Abida
Mo wrote:
>
> Viv and Harish are trolls sent over from Rmim to wreck this
> newsgroup with their bad language and nasty remarks .
> Ignore them..
>
Richard Turner
<nob...@home.com> writes
> as you seem to be the selfstyled moderator of this group along with Mo and
>Cassam would you like to become the moderator of your new baby the "Moron
>group" as your IQ seems to be rightly suited for it. I am not sick of your
>attempts at getting me out of this group so i beg you to keep trying. Maybe
>you will be successful some day.
>
>
>viv
TROLL-O-METER
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
==================================>
Whether I have a low IQ or not, I do at least have a sense of humour!
;o) (Clue: Read the penultimate sentence of my previous.)
--
Richard Turner
A Cassam
Would I ever want to get you out of this group?? No way!
And don't beg us to keep trying ...we no longer need to ... since Sunny
is busy working on a new NG for "special" people!
Thanks Richard for bringing this to our attention!
And on a real serious note here..please count me out of this Hindustan
Ki Kasam controversy.
I am a "JIYE SINDH" and independent "SINDHU DESH" believer. Ha! fooled
ya didn't I??? You can write all you want against your enemy ...I
believe strongly in the disintegration of my own country......where
Punjab rules Sindh. So your enemy is in essence my enemy too!
JIYE SINDH!
Abida Sultana
fusenewsgroups wrote:
>
> as you seem to be the selfstyled moderator of this group along with Mo and
> Cassam would you like to become the moderator of your new baby the "Moron
> group" as your IQ seems to be rightly suited for it. I am not sick of your
> attempts at getting me out of this group so i beg you to keep trying. Maybe
> you will be successful some day.
>
> viv
>
> Richard Turner <ric...@chaltechalte.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:Bl7l7iAHjLp3Ew$y...@chaltechalte.demon.co.uk...
> > In article <6h2p3.12210$ts3.3...@nnrp4.clara.net>, Mo
> > <10033...@compuserve.com> writes
> > > Viv and Harish are trolls sent over from Rmim to wreck this
> > >newsgroup with their bad language and nasty remarks .
> > >Ignore them..
> >
A Cassam
Your IQ might be low Richard (who cares!) but God what a great sense of
humour you have ! LOL!!
Remember ..the opposite of what Viv says is always true. So if he says
you have a low IQ....guess what that really means?
Take that as a compliment from this "well meaning" soul and don't forget
to thank him Richard.
Abida
Richard Turner wrote:
>
> In article <rqa18j1...@corp.supernews.com>, fusenewsgroups
> <nob...@home.com> writes
> > as you seem to be the selfstyled moderator of this group along with Mo and
> >Cassam would you like to become the moderator of your new baby the "Moron
> >group" as your IQ seems to be rightly suited for it. I am not sick of your
> >attempts at getting me out of this group so i beg you to keep trying. Maybe
> >you will be successful some day.
> >
> >
> >viv
>
SUNNY AUDIT
Indian/morons, Well I'm not!
I was thinking of starting a group of PC game Cheats. I thought some of you
could help me part with some info on your behalf as to how to satrt a NG.
But insated your calling a me a moronand other insulting names. I am deeply
hurt by these comment as they have nothing to do with this disccusions at
all. If you want to insult people then please go some where else. Becuase
sensible grown up's like yourself's, insulting people isn't fair.
Mo
become an honorable member of this group. And do get a
thicker skin..
Richard Turner
>Everyone seems to implying that I am about a start a group aboout something
>Indian/morons, Well I'm not!
>I was thinking of starting a group of PC game Cheats. I thought some of you
>could help me part with some info on your behalf as to how to satrt a NG.
>But insated your calling a me a moronand other insulting names. I am deeply
>hurt by these comment as they have nothing to do with this disccusions at
>all. If you want to insult people then please go some where else. Becuase
>sensible grown up's like yourself's, insulting people isn't fair.
>
I'm sorry, Sunny, but as I tried to point out to Viv., I was joking.
Actually, from what I've read, starting a newsgroup is a complicated
business which requires good organisational skills, so my saying that
you might be capable of doing that is more of a compliment than a
criticism. Your ISP ought to have included some sort of FAQ on this
topic in your newsreading software, but I can email you some information
about starting a 'group in the uk.* hierarchy, if it would be useful.
Otherwise, check the existing computer games NGs.
You might be able to find interested people in
rec.games.computer.doom.announce
and
rec.games.computer.quake.announce
My apologies for a (mostly) off-topic posting.
Regards,
--
Richard Turner
Mo
ISP and he will do it for you . Its a bit tough getting all
other ISPs to carry it . Somebody tried getting
alt.culture.uk.southasian going but its still not carried by
most ISPs..