***** BRITISH CASTE SYSTEM MORE PREVALENT THAN ANY IN BHARAT ***** Jai Maharaj posts
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(G. C. Asnani: "Caste" System prevails throughout the
world, in one form or the other, as a natural process.
Only Hindu society has been mis-represented by
[Christian] missionaries on this issue.)
-From: Yash...@aol.com
-Date: Wednesday, August 1, 2007
The British 'caste system' is more prevalent than the
Indian
http://indiaview.wordpress.com
Written by Edward Hamala
In response to the letter by Roger Williams captioned "The
Rig Veda does refer to caste" (07.07.23) I thought I might
share a few points with your readers. The Indian "caste
system" that has so outraged Mr. Roger Williams, makes me
wonder if he is equally outraged by the British "caste
system" that is even more prevalent, although it is well
hidden and "invisible" in the British and some European
societies, where the nobility still exist, than it is in
India today, where all noble titles have been abolished. I
would like to ask Mr. Williams when objecting to
birthrights why has he failed to raise the same objection
to the British Nobility and the Landed Gentry's birthright,
inheriting their title, social status while they are also
guaranteed perpetual political power by inheriting a peer-
ship and a seat in the British House of Lords, the highest
legislative body of the land?
Few of us believe the existence of a truly egalitarian
society in the west today or anywhere for that matter!
When was the last time that Mr. Williams had a drink at the
local pub with Lord Spencer? Or had tea with Prince
Phillip?
Did you know that the English nobility are distinctly
noticeable by their education and grooming in institutions
such as Wetherby, Ludgrove, and Eton or the Royal Academy
at Sandhurst? They even speak a different language, the
King's English, free from colloquialism and dialects
distinctly separating them, and distinguishing them from
ordinary commoners, as soon as they open their mouths.
May I also remind you that the Indian Social Structure as
it was depicted in the Vedas Millenniums ago, made it an
edict to leave Tribals and Adivasis alone and not to impose
Hindu religion, culture or values on them.
The word "caste" my friend is an English word! The Sanskrit
word for "caste" is "Varna" and it means vocation or
occupation and does not mean "caste" as it does in the
English interpretation or translation of the term!
Likewise, "untouchable" meant not to go near them, don't
touch them, don't intermarry with them and don't corrupt
their culture don't try to conform them. Leave them alone!
The unfortunate thing was that Mahatma Gandhi was also
British educated, trained as a lawyer and had little or no
knowledge about the ancient Vedic philosophy, history or
culture. What little Gandhi knew about Vedic philosophy was
mostly thought to him by Vinoba Bhave, an avid freedom
fighter, a devoted supporter of the Mahatma who was a Hindu
monk and a highly educated Brahman who among other things
spoke 14 languages.
It was Vinoba Bhave who connected Gandhi's political views
with Vedic values and philosophy that gained such a wide
appeal and the support of the Indian masses. If Gandhi
would have had a better grasp of Vedic Philosophy he would
have been able to counter many of these British myths and
instead of being an apologist he could have challenged and
defeated the British, the most classist society, at their
own game.
Let me ask you, Mr. Williams, what modern country that you
know of today still have primitive tribals living
undisturbed, "uncivilized" and untouched by their society
living around them? As they do in the Andaman and Nicobar
Islands of India? Did you know that these islands are off
limits to all Indian citizens, to protect these tribals?
Is it done to discriminate against the tribals as
"untouchables" or is it done to protect them?
The State of Assam, was a similar tribal area until it got
overran by zealous Christian Missionaries that have
destroyed their social fibre and their culture.
Westerners can't seem to resist the temptation of trying to
impose their political and social values and religions on
other cultures!
How many societies does Mr. Williams know, where a group of
refugees arrived and sought refuge as the Jews did in
Kerala, India in 70 AD and were given sanctuary and freedom
to practice their religion. This community lived and
prospered in India without anyone trying to convert them
and many returned to their homeland when the State of
Israel was created! The same holds true for the Parsi
refugees arriving from Persia when the forceful Muslim
conversion was taking place there and they are still
practicing their own ancient religion as Zoroastrians and
no one tried to convert them. Recently, a large number of
Tibetians arrived in India along with the Dalai Lama and
they were all received graciously and were given sanctuary.
I suggest Mr. Williams should ask the Australian
aboriginals or the American Indians if they would prefer to
be untouched by their foreign invaders or if they preferred
to be forced to conform to an alien culture that was
imposed on them, by forcefully removing their children to
place them into Christian institutions where violence and
sexual abuse was rampant. It has destroyed their self
esteem, traditions and culture. The Eastern Indian social
structure was designed that different castes served each
other, each with a distinct duty to perform for the benefit
of the whole of society.
It was a farmer's duty to teach his son to be a good farmer
and the merchant's to teach his son his craft, while the
warrior was trained to be the protector and defender of
all...........It is also noteworthy that governance was the
duty of the Kshatryas not to rule by whims and despotism as
it was the rulers privilege in the "civilized west" but to
rule in accordance with the Vedic principles. Yet the
highest caste, above them all was not the Kings who were
given the highest social position. It was the Brahmans who
were the custodians of all the Vedic Sciences and knowledge
and their duty was to teach and to preserve the knowledge
of Vedas. The teachers, the priests, the doctors, the
scientists and philosophers the poets and the writers were
all Brahmans whose duty also included giving moral guidance
to the Kings! It is simplistic to believe that a farmer or
a potter would be capable to teach their children nuclear
science or medicine or the Vedas!
This educational system assured the proper training and
apprenticeship of all with a life time of gainful
employment for all the participants.
This, Mr. Williams, has established an interesting value
system in India, alien to the west! The most valuable asset
was not money or power as it is today in the western value
system! It was knowledge and wisdom that took decades to
learn and a life time to acquire! And it was the society's
duty to support the Brahmans to afford their study
providing food, clothing and shelter to them.
I am sure Mr. Williams is familiar with the existence of
the "unwashed" wretched underclass in Dickens's Britain or
Victor Hugo's France as it did exist in most of
Europe......... Well, such a thing did not exist in India
and these facts are well documented by historians all the
way back to Alexander the Great's visit to India and was
minutely recorded by Greek Historians such as Arrian,
Diodorus, Plutarch and Strabo, accompanying Alexander. One
thing these historians also commented on, was the absence
of slavery that was an integral part of Hellenic culture!
Today, most Indians are alienated and mostly ignorant about
their culture, the Vedas and their history, and few
understand the Vedic philosophy or its teachings or the
highly advanced science it encompasses. They know little
else about Hinduism, besides the ritualistic traditions.
This Vedic social structure was put in place at the time
when in the rest of the world slavery was rampant and
pivotal to every European Empire! Don't forget slavery was
widely practiced in the United States until the Civil War
to the 1860's and desegregation only started in the 1960's
and the prejudices still exist until today.
So I think, Mr. Williams your indignation is somewhat ill
placed and perhaps it would serve a better purpose if you
dealt with more dire social issues that you may be more
knowledgeable about, and better qualified to deal with.
Source -
http://hinduamerica.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=206&Itemid=9
More at:
http://www.hinduvoice.net/cgi-bin/dada/mail.cgi?flavor=archive&id=20070802140817&list=nll
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
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tired of them.
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Benway (original non-Zionist)
The Green Revolution is over, it's gains now
cancelled by population growth. We will soon see
ten billion people packed onto an ecologically
devastated planet. Even politicians will be forced
to acknowledge the savage reality of it.
Granted the rate at which Australia is losing
soil, Australia's safe carrying capacity in the
long term may be as low as 8 to 12 million people.
The human as well as the natural environment
deteriorates as population grows.
When real incomes and cost of living trend lines
diverge even further under the impact of bulk
immigration, it will be interesting to hear how
the hyperactive cargo-cultist politicians and
media drones will explain the lack of any true
prosperity.
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the families of Hindus who were slaughtered by the Brits. After that
she can live under a tree on the banks of Ganga for the rest of her
life.
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
In article <4b2faab5$0$5356$bbae...@news.suddenlink.net>,
"harmony" <a...@hotmail.com> posted:
>
> give a brits a good thing, and they will mess it up. even their queen is
> tired of them.
> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
P. Rajah
Jug Suraiya Monday June 08, 2009, 12:01 PM
The attacks on Indians in Australia have once again raised the ugly head
of racism. Once again India is caught up in the midst of a racist storm.
A while ago, the Big Brother controversy launched Shilpa Shetty as an
international anti-racism icon from India. This is entirely appropriate
as Indians are arguably the biggest targets of racism in the world. And
they are targeted not just by unlettered British yobs or Australian
thugs but, first and foremost, by their own compatriots. It's because we
are so racist ourselves that we are so quick to react to a racist slur:
it takes a racist to catch a racist. And our racism is colour-coded in
black-and-white terms: white is intrinsically superior and desirable;
black is inferior and undesirable.
In the Indian colour scheme of things, black is far from beautiful. The
colloquial word for a black person of African origin is 'habshi', an
epithet as offensive as the American 'nigger', both terms derived from
the days of the slave trade.
For all India's official championing of the anti-apartheid crusade in
South Africa's erstwhile white regime, north India at least is steeped
in colour prejudice - ask any African student who's had a taste of
Delhi's campus life. For the north Indian, fair is lovely, as those
abominably tasteless TV commercials keep proclaiming: Don't get
sunburnt, use skin whitening creams, or you'll end up dark and no one
will marry you. (When did you last see a matrimonial ad seeking an
'attractive, dark-complexioned life partner'?)
Why is dark literally beyond the pale for so many of us? Is it an
atavistic throwback to the supposed superiority of 'white' Aryans
vis-a-vis the 'non-white' original inhabitants of the subcontinent? Is
it the result of 250 years of white rule under the British? Is a pale
skin, as against a deep tan, a testimonial to social rank, segregating
those who don't have to toil under the sun from those who do? Is it an
amalgam of all these?
Whatever the reason, 'chitti chamri' (fair skin) is a passport to
fawning social acceptance -- which might partly explain why an
increasing number of Caucasians look for assignments in India, be it as
MNC executives or bartenders in 5-star hotels.
Our racism is largely, but not exclusively, based on colour. Caste is
India's unique contribution to the lexicon of racial bigotry. Whether
'caste' - a result of cultural and social segmentation - can
legitimately be conflated with 'race' - with its genetic and
physiological underpinnings - is a matter of academic debate. However,
as only too many horror stories testify, the average rural Dalit fares
worse on the human-rights scale than her 'kafir' counterpart in the
worst days of South African apartheid.
Caste apart, real or imagined ethnic traits compound our racism. People
from the north-east are said to have 'Chinky' (Chinese) eyes and are
routinely asked if they eat dogs. Even in so-called 'mainstream' India
we sub-divide ourselves with pejoratives: 'Panjus', whose only culture
is agriculture; stingy 'Marrus'; mercenary 'Gujjus' who eat 'heavy
snakes' for tea; lazy, shiftless 'Bongs'; 'Madrasis', who all live south
of the Vindhyas and speak a funny 'Illay-po' language. In our ingrained
provincialism is our much-vaunted and illusory unity.
No wonder we can't stand racism. It reminds us disquietingly of the face
we see in our own mirror.
Benway (original non-Zionist)
With numerous man-made and natural disasters popping up
everywhere these days, we have no choice - we must
strangle all those hysterics who cry "racist" as
a weird manifestation of their own ratbaggery.
It would be a kindness to the rest of us, whatever
race, colour, status, or shape we seem to have.
We could get on with some real work maybe.
Sanity is the important thing, not screeching
ideologues and their psychoneurotic issues.
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harmony
but living on the bank of ganga ji makes for a far happier life, and
spiritually more uplifting, than in the best palaces of the world. many
people keep ganga jal (water) at their home in small bottle as the next best
thing.
btw, did i tell you that i have a friend, who specializes in short selling
is looking to buy a palace?
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M. Ranjit Mathews
Jai Maharaj) wrote:
> It is also noteworthy that governance was the
> duty of the Kshatryas not to rule by whims and despotism as
> it was the rulers privilege in the "civilized west" but to
> rule in accordance with the Vedic principles. Yet the
> highest caste, above them all was not the Kings who were
> given the highest social position. It was the Brahmans
Do we know that Brahmanas were given the highest social position by
other varnas? Or do we only know that Brahmanas authored works in
which they claimed to have the highest social position?
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a Pooja today, as every day.
Please show your friend the following listing -- an estate for
sale for $35 million in my neighborhood:
Kailua estate's $36M listing sets Windward record
http://www.starbulletin.com/business/20091030_Kailua_estates_36M_listing_sets_Windward_record.html
It's pretty close to where Obama stays when he comes to Hawaii, so
the price can be negotiated down easily. However, it's no palace. As
a matter of fact, there's only one palace in the U.S.: the Iolani
Palace in Honolulu and it's not for sale since it's designated as a
National Monument. So your friend may have to look elsewhere.
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
In article <4b30f2b5$0$5315$bbae...@news.suddenlink.net>,
"harmony" <a...@hotmail.com> posted:
>
> many will not agree with this - only because they have not known better -
> but living on the bank of ganga ji makes for a far happier life, and
> spiritually more uplifting, than in the best palaces of the world. many
> people keep ganga jal (water) at their home in small bottle as the next best
> thing.
>
> btw, did i tell you that i have a friend, who specializes in short selling
> is looking to buy a palace?
> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
P. Rajah
> You are absolutely right about Ganga mata. I sprinkled Ganga jal
> a Pooja today, as every day.
>
> Please show your friend the following listing -- an estate for
> sale for $35 million in my neighborhood:
Jay, you moron, Usenet is not the place to exchange e-mails. Doubtless
you two clowns are aware of that, and have each other's e-mail
addresses, so your "private" exchanges on Usenet are obviously just so
much manure, like your "scienti predicci jyotish".
P. Rajah
> You are absolutely right about Ganga mata. I sprinkled Ganga jal
> a Pooja today, as every day.
Congratulations! I hope you keep your supply in an honored place in your
shack. The untreated sewage of 29 cities* flows into the Ganga, and a
significant part of that is Muslim excreta. Thank you for displaying
your secular credentials by sprinkling Muslim excreta in your home.
*http://everymatter.blogsome.com/2009/02/21/ganga-yamuna/
http://www.gits4u.com/water/ganga.htm
http://news.oneindia.in/2008/05/02/supreme-court-ganges-msu-researchers-1209708360.html