Porn Stars who won't do ANAL?!
Karlie
too prudish to do anal scenes. Christy Canyon and Jenna Jameson come
readily to mind. I mean, let's think about the concept of a prudish
Porn Star: First, imagine a whore: this is a woman who gets paid to
have sex with men... now, imagine a Porn Star: this is a woman who
gets paid to have sex with men while other people are filming it, so
that millions of people around the world can watch them fuck! Are
these people in a position to be prudes?
OK, I know, no one should be coerced into doing something they
don't want to... But, I have enjoyed anal sex with several previous
girlfriends - and none of them were crack-whores, and none of them are
sitting in thousands of porno tape collections around the world! As
long as there was lotsa lube, no problem. And yet Porn Stars can't do
it?!
And these Porn Stars know that their fans want to see them do
anal: thus, in the movie "In Defense Of Savannah," Christy Canyon
FAKES an anal scene with T.T. Boy... Now what the hell is up with
that? She won't do anal but she'll pretend to do anal? Hmmm... And
then there's the Porn Stars who wait for their come-backs to do anal:
Keisha, for instance, wouldn't do anal when she was popular - in the
80s - but for 1992's "Bubble Butts 9," she does anal.
Finally, compare the prudish Porn Stars who won't do anal to
someone like Sierra, who was doing anal scenes when she was 18!!! (see
"Face Dance 2" and "Sodomania 2" to witness this) Both Sierra and
Flame were doing DPs when they were 19!!! (see "Gang Bang Girl 12" and
"Blazing Butts" respectively)
Personally, prudish Porn Stars who won't do anal make no sense
to me - like that Pop Star, Ms. Spears: (I know how off topic this
analogy is, but bear with me) she figures it's OK to dress slutty, as
long as you don't have sex until marriage?! It's like wearing a
marijuana leaf T-shirt, but claiming that those who smoke pot are
losers: it just doesn't make sense. Or am I wrong?
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HURTS her. She once told me that she'd only tried it once or twice in her
personal life and found it quite painful (even with lotsa lube, I presume). So
I'm not sure it's a moral issue, as much as a physical limitation.
In article <rame.965054407p29143@bash>, Karlie says...
>
> Here's something I just don't understand: Porn Stars who are
>too prudish to do anal scenes. Christy Canyon and Jenna Jameson come
>readily to mind. I mean, let's think about the concept of a prudish
>Porn Star: First, imagine a whore: this is a woman who gets paid to
>have sex with men... now, imagine a Porn Star: this is a woman who
>gets paid to have sex with men while other people are filming it, so
>that millions of people around the world can watch them fuck! Are
>these people in a position to be prudes?
lat...@hotmail.com
> Here's something I just don't understand: Porn Stars who are
>too prudish to do anal scenes. Christy Canyon and Jenna Jameson come
>readily to mind. I mean, let's think about the concept of a prudish
>Porn Star: First, imagine a whore: this is a woman who gets paid to
>have sex with men... now, imagine a Porn Star: this is a woman who
>gets paid to have sex with men while other people are filming it, so
>that millions of people around the world can watch them fuck! Are
>these people in a position to be prudes?
Perhaps they don't like being penetrated in an orifice whose primary
purposes is the excretion of faeces. As the women you've singled out
are all big names they clearly don't *need* to do anal scenes to make
a good living as porn stars... in which case what would be there
motivation for doing so?
Similarly stars who refrain from doing anal scenes normally can then
make a 'feature' of the scenes on the rare occasions they do do them
(think Asia Carrera here). Better yet think of Rebecca Lord, who has
done no anal scenes in her US movies (and claims to have done at all
in normally distributed movies, though in fact she did fo Private -
Golden Triangle). She is flogging a tape with an anal scene in it on
her website - a tape to which she holds the rights so she will profit
directly from sales - and IIRC charging $60 to her SFBs for the
privilege. Pure cold commercial decisions, not prudery.
Wait until Jenna starts to get saggy and her mainstream career has
stalled as it inevitably will... she can up the ante by finally doing
an anal scene - probably in a vid she herself has produced - and
satisfying her SFB's need to spend their money on her plasticised
body.
> And these Porn Stars know that their fans want to see them do
>anal: thus, in the movie "In Defense Of Savannah," Christy Canyon
>FAKES an anal scene with T.T. Boy... Now what the hell is up with
>that? She won't do anal but she'll pretend to do anal?
Perhaps she *really* doesn't like it. I don't like brussel sprouts but
I don't think people who do are weird. I don't like them because they
taste yucky - it's not a question of morality/prudery. I'd refer you
to the snails and oysters scene in Spartacus...
> Hmmm... And
>then there's the Porn Stars who wait for their come-backs to do anal:
>Keisha, for instance, wouldn't do anal when she was popular - in the
>80s - but for 1992's "Bubble Butts 9," she does anal.
Gotta find a way to up the ante, give the punters some reason to buy
an 'old biddy's' tape.
> Finally, compare the prudish Porn Stars who won't do anal to
>someone like Sierra, who was doing anal scenes when she was 18!!! (see
>"Face Dance 2" and "Sodomania 2" to witness this)
Who?
>Both Sierra and
>Flame were doing DPs when they were 19!!! (see "Gang Bang Girl 12" and
>"Blazing Butts" respectively)
Who?
Big deal. Some minor starlet who is not a big name like Jenna Jameson
or Christy Canyon does anal from the word go. Again this is purely a
case of commercial realities. If starlets who have the potential to be
the next Jenna ('beautiful' but blonde, plasticised etc) do anal from
the word go they have no fall back postion. If they have sense they
will avoid it as long as possible - many of them don't have much
commercial sense. OTOH many girls realise they will never be glamour
girls and know that their only marketable feature is to be outrageous
- think Mila here - and so again it is a logical decision to do anal
as that is what the market demands.
> Personally, prudish Porn Stars who won't do anal make no sense
>to me - like that Pop Star, Ms. Spears: (I know how off topic this
>analogy is, but bear with me) she figures it's OK to dress slutty, as
>long as you don't have sex until marriage?!
Commercial realities again. Just think how much more attractive
Britney Spears is when you believe she is probably a virgin than if
she's just an ordinary teenager. Marketing doesn't even begin to cover
it.
ship...@my-deja.com
gchi...@kwic.com wrote:
> Here's something I just don't understand: Porn Stars who are
> too prudish to do anal scenes. Christy Canyon and Jenna Jameson come
> readily to mind. I mean, let's think about the concept of a prudish
> Porn Star: First, imagine a whore: this is a woman who gets paid to
> have sex with men... now, imagine a Porn Star: this is a woman who
> gets paid to have sex with men while other people are filming it, so
> that millions of people around the world can watch them fuck! Are
> these people in a position to be prudes?
Yes, absolutely. Beside, they only got paid for what they would do,
not everything that people would like them to do.
> OK, I know, no one should be coerced into doing something they
> don't want to... But, I have enjoyed anal sex with several previous
> girlfriends - and none of them were crack-whores, and none of them are
> sitting in thousands of porno tape collections around the world! As
> long as there was lotsa lube, no problem. And yet Porn Stars can't do
> it?!
> And these Porn Stars know that their fans want to see them do
> anal: thus, in the movie "In Defense Of Savannah," Christy Canyon
> FAKES an anal scene with T.T. Boy... Now what the hell is up with
> that? She won't do anal but she'll pretend to do anal? Hmmm...And
I agree with you on this point. Terri Diver come to mind. Never
watched another one of her video after her blatantly fake anal scene.
> then there's the Porn Stars who wait for their come-backs to do anal:
> Keisha, for instance, wouldn't do anal when she was popular - in the
> 80s - but for 1992's "Bubble Butts 9," she does anal.
My guess would be she or anyone in her situation got a load of money
for that.
> Finally, compare the prudish Porn Stars who won't do anal to
> someone like Sierra, who was doing anal scenes when she was 18!!! (see
> "Face Dance 2" and "Sodomania 2" to witness this) Both Sierra and
> Flame were doing DPs when they were 19!!! (see "Gang Bang Girl 12" and
> "Blazing Butts" respectively)
That's what each chose to do. Nothing more, nothing less. That does
not mean everyone have to do the same. My all time wish was to see
Jennifer Steward do an anal or Annette Haven take a really good
facial. Hell, I want to see Annette do an anal too. But that isn't
likely to happen:-)
> Personally, prudish Porn Stars who won't do anal make no sense
> to me - like that Pop Star, Ms. Spears: (I know how off topic this
> analogy is, but bear with me) she figures it's OK to dress slutty, as
> long as you don't have sex until marriage?! It's like wearing a
> marijuana leaf T-shirt, but claiming that those who smoke pot are
> losers: it just doesn't make sense. Or am I wrong?
So, since Ms. Spears dresses slutty the conclusion is that she must
have pre-martial sex? Must she be in porn next? Then anal sex? (THAT
I don't even want to think about}
Bottom line. A performer chooses to get in the business. She chooses
to leave when the time come. And virtually everything in between.
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Stan Stewart
> Here's something I just don't understand: Porn Stars who are
>too prudish to do anal scenes. Christy Canyon and Jenna Jameson come
>readily to mind.
What makes you think it has anything to do with prudishness. Couldn't
be that pain is a factor could it? Or not doing on camera what you
won't do in private?
> Are
>these people in a position to be prudes?
They're in a position to do anything, or not do anything as the case
may be, that they want. You don't like it don't rent/buy their movies.
See how that works?
> OK, I know, no one should be coerced into doing something they
>don't want to... But, I have enjoyed anal sex with several previous
>girlfriends - and none of them were crack-whores, and none of them are
>sitting in thousands of porno tape collections around the world! As
>long as there was lotsa lube, no problem.
No problem for you. I'd like to hear the same words from your
girlfriends. We'll just take your word that none of them were crack
whores.
>And yet Porn Stars can't do
>it?!
> And these Porn Stars know that their fans want to see them do
>anal: thus, in the movie "In Defense Of Savannah," Christy Canyon
>FAKES an anal scene with T.T. Boy... Now what the hell is up with
>that? She won't do anal but she'll pretend to do anal?
She did not fake the scene. Vivid faked the scene. The actors have
little or no control over how the footage they shoot is used. I'm
probably the biggest Christy Canyon fan that ever drew breath and I
assure you I never had a problem with her not doing anal.
>Hmmm... And
>then there's the Porn Stars who wait for their come-backs to do anal:
>Keisha, for instance, wouldn't do anal when she was popular - in the
>80s - but for 1992's "Bubble Butts 9," she does anal.
> Finally, compare the prudish Porn Stars who won't do anal to
>someone like Sierra, who was doing anal scenes when she was 18!!! (see
>"Face Dance 2" and "Sodomania 2" to witness this) Both Sierra and
>Flame were doing DPs when they were 19!!! (see "Gang Bang Girl 12" and
>"Blazing Butts" respectively)
So what? If that's what they thought they needed and wanted to do
fine.
> Personally, prudish Porn Stars who won't do anal make no sense
>to me - like that Pop Star, Ms. Spears: (I know how off topic this
>analogy is, but bear with me) she figures it's OK to dress slutty, as
>long as you don't have sex until marriage?! It's like wearing a
>marijuana leaf T-shirt, but claiming that those who smoke pot are
>losers: it just doesn't make sense. Or am I wrong?
You're wrong.
Stan Stewart
Writing Fool
> Don't know about Jenna, but in Christy's case, she doesn't like it because it
> HURTS her. She once told me that she'd only tried it once or twice in her
> personal life and found it quite painful (even with lotsa lube, I presume).
> So
> I'm not sure it's a moral issue, as much as a physical limitation.
In the September issue of British magazine, Jenna is reported to say the
followng:
> I'll never do gang-bang, and I don't do anal.
> I've always said I should save something for my man,
> and if it has to be my butt, so be it.
So it doesn't look like a case of prudishness for her, just preference.
Besides, isn't the important question about an actress whether or not she
provides a hot performance and not whether or not she does anal? Or am I
just being naive? :-)
== WB
Mrldgarnet
would - anal sex can be really painful for some women. Just because they make
a living fulfilling our fantasies doesn't mean they're obligated to fulfill
every last one and hurt themselves in the process!
BiGrrl
Torris
>I don't think it's "prudish." Anal is not a common sex act outside of the
>industry. Yes, in recent years if you don't do anal you just don't get work,
>but it wasn't always like that and if you listen to fans they don't like it all
>the time and with the aggressive way in which it's done. My ass says exit only
>on it and, frankly, I wasn't keen on the idea of diapers in later years because
>I destroyed my sphincter, or suffer painful colitis, diverticulitis, prolapsed
>rectum or colon because I so badly abused by body.
Besides Mila, is this a common occurrence in the porn world? What I
can't fathom is how easily elastic the Hungarian and Czech Girls are.
A hottie who does anal with ease like the lovely Jennifer Aniston
lookalike, Julia Taylor, I swear some US girls have tighter pussies
then Julia's colon
Colostomies just aren't
>attractive even when they're temporary for the repairs.
I would imagine gay males have been having anal sex for decades, do
they wear out their sphincter?
Torris
"Rehab is for quitters"
Torris
>So, since Ms. Spears dresses slutty the conclusion is that she must
>have pre-martial sex? Must she be in porn next? Then anal sex? (THAT
>I don't even want to think about}
Are you kidding? I think about it constantly. she used to even have a
treasure trail so you know that it's a real jungle down there.
Torris
>Big deal. Some minor starlet who is not a big name like Jenna Jameson
>or Christy Canyon does anal from the word go. Again this is purely a
>case of commercial realities.
Who's the most recent big name starlet who did anal when it didn't
appear by her career, that it would be necessary. Does Tera Patrick
count? Rocki Roads in the upcoming Digital Playground disk doesn't
either because she came up through the mire of Leisure Slime.
80s issue would probably be Bridgette Monet in Stiff Competition if
you believe that wasn't a case of stunt butt
lat...@hotmail.com
>On Mon, 31 Jul 2000 19:34:06, "lat...@hotmail.com"
><lat...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Big deal. Some minor starlet who is not a big name like Jenna Jameson
>>or Christy Canyon does anal from the word go. Again this is purely a
>>case of commercial realities.
>
>Who's the most recent big name starlet who did anal when it didn't
>appear by her career, that it would be necessary. Does Tera Patrick
>count? Rocki Roads in the upcoming Digital Playground disk doesn't
>either because she came up through the mire of Leisure Slime.
Torris, I am sure you would be better placed to rule on this one than
me.
Frank Simmons
>
>Besides, isn't the important question about an actress whether or not she
>provides a hot performance and not whether or not she does anal? Or am I
>just being naive? :-)
Well, that's certainly a question, although I'd rather watch Chasey Lain in a
medicore scene than Rosanne Barr in the hottest scene ever filmed...
But to a lot of RAMErs, especially the youngsters, a hot scene isn't possible
without an anal.
Frank
** Traci, Ginger, Nikki, Amber, Christy, Kristara; Those were the days! **
Frank Simmons
>
>Who's the most recent big name starlet who did anal when it didn't
>appear by her career, that it would be necessary. Does Tera Patrick
>count?
Why wouldn't it? She's certainly a big name starlet. And she certainly didn't
need to do an anal to continue her career, she chose to do it. Just because
you don't particularly *like* the anal, it still is one.
Prior to that? Maybe Asia? I certainly don't think the anals she did in "A is
for Asia" was necessary to salvage a career, you however might disagree.
Torris
wrote:
>>From: tor...@uswest.net (Torris)
>
>>
>>Who's the most recent big name starlet who did anal when it didn't
>>appear by her career, that it would be necessary. Does Tera Patrick
>>count?
>Prior to that? Maybe Asia? I certainly don't think the anals she did in "A is
>for Asia" was necessary to salvage a career, you however might disagree.
>
>Frank
I don't consider Asia to be an "A" level starlet. She'll never be in
the Hall of Fame
Torris
"Rehab is for quitters"
Torris
>f
>There are stars who in retrospect are recognized as stars whose careers
>were fine, had lots of fans, and didn't have to do anal.
We're always assuming here in this argument that anal is required for
economic advancement or for fan loyalty. Maybe, some of these
performers actually like anal sex in their personal life and see it as
a natural extension of their onscreen sexuality, as you mention below
about Ginger Lynn. She didn't have to do anal to be a huge star, but
did so it seems quite willingly.
Was she a huge star b/c she did anal? Probably not, b/c back in her
heyday anal wasn't as necessary as it is a decade later. I think she
was a huge star for the combining factor of the pretty California
blond with a tight little body who never held back when having sex.
But from the
>inside, while the career is on and the competition is fierce, it does
>become a necessity. Look at Megan Leigh as an example. Also Nina
>Hartley and the burgeoning Vivid girls to answer your question about
>Asia's bid to remain on top.
Has Taylor Hayes done anal under Vivid contract? I'm not sure I get
your gist with this paragraph. That Nina Hartley had to resort to
doing anal to hang onto gigs? is that what you're saying here?
>
>The one who probably never had to do anal was Ginger Lynn, but then
>Ginger is such a superstar that one has to wonder if she would have
>been had she not been so beautiful AND taking it up the butt.
Then she might as well have been Nikki Sinn. As long as a girl does
anal I would imagine she could work every day for some production. I
bet within five years we start seeing anal "debuts" from a lot of
aging former contract stars trying to keep a toehold.
Frank Simmons
>I don't consider Asia to be an "A" level starlet. She'll never be in
>the Hall of Fame
>
>
>Torris
Gee, I could have sworn you said "big name", not "on Torris' A list" or "in
Torris' Hall of Fame". She's definitely a big name, even if you don't like
her.
Frank
** Traci, Ginger, Nikki, Amber, Christy, Kristara; Those were the days! **
Stan Stewart
>The one who probably never had to do anal was Ginger Lynn, but then
>Ginger is such a superstar that one has to wonder if she would have
>been had she not been so beautiful AND taking it up the butt.
>Everything is relative.
>
I think she would have been. She was such a well rounded sexual
performer and so enthusiastic that she couldn't help but shine. Her
doing anal was just icing on the cake if you will.
>
> --
>Brandy_Alexandre
>http://kamikaze.org
Stan Stewart
Stan Stewart
>On Tue, 01 Aug 2000 18:49:47, frank...@aol.com (Frank Simmons)
>wrote:
>
>>>From: tor...@uswest.net (Torris)
>>
>>>
>>>Who's the most recent big name starlet who did anal when it didn't
>>>appear by her career, that it would be necessary. Does Tera Patrick
>>>count?
>
>>Prior to that? Maybe Asia? I certainly don't think the anals she did in "A is
>>for Asia" was necessary to salvage a career, you however might disagree.
>>
>>Frank
>
>I don't consider Asia to be an "A" level starlet. She'll never be in
>the Hall of Fame
>
Hmm... I'm not sure I agree with that. Especially in comparison to
your two examples. Tera is too new to tell if she'll just be a flash
in the pan or not. And Asia is certainly a higher profile star that
Rocki Roads will ever be. If for no other reason that Asia is a former
Vivid Girl. I will agree that Asia isn't in the same league as Christy
or Jenna. Asia more like an "A-" level starlet. ;-)
>
>Torris
>
>"Rehab is for quitters"
Stan Stewart
Frank Simmons
>We're always assuming here in this argument that anal is required for
>economic advancement or for fan loyalty. Maybe, some of these
>performers actually like anal sex in their personal life and see it as
>a natural extension of their onscreen sexuality, as you mention below
>about Ginger Lynn.
>he didn't have to do anal to be a huge star, but
>did so it seems quite willingly.
>
>Was she a huge star b/c she did anal? Probably not, b/c back in her
>heyday anal wasn't as necessary as it is a decade later.
>I think she
>was a huge star for the combining factor of the pretty California
>blond with a tight little body who never held back when having sex.
I agree. However, I think that her willingness to do anal is largely
responsible for the giant influx that anal made into pornography in the 90s.
Prior to Ginger, you knew just from the cast list if there was going to be an
anal in an 80s flick. Frx, if Sherie St. Clair was in it, you knew there was
going to be anal. Ginger was the first big star who regularly did anal, but
not as her trademark. This made it more acceptable, and (unfortunately, imo)
forced other women to feel they had to do it - until finally it became
"required".
Once anal became pervasive, it lost whatever appeal it had for me as a
*forbidden* act - now I just find it boring. Back when it was something
*extra*, it was something that could be looked forward to.
>Has Taylor Hayes done anal under Vivid contract? I'm not sure I get
>your gist with this paragraph.
I think she was saying that in Asia's case, the influx of assitional Vivid
girls may have made her feel pressure to do anal so that she could stay on the
top of the Vivid girl heap. Of course, she's actually become a bigger star
since she left Vivid, imo. Mostly do, of course, to self-promotion.
>That Nina Hartley had to resort to
>doing anal to hang onto gigs? is that what you're saying here?
I think that's what she meant about Nina, but I don't necessarily agree. I
suspect Nina did anal simply because Nina likes sex. She simply held off on
anal until it became "more acceptable", rather than doing it to salvage her
acreer. IMO.
I never saw Megan Leigh do anal, however. I'm not saying that she didn't, just
that I'm unaware of any examples. Although I loved her, I never really thought
she made it to "big star" status, however. She was a tragedy...
>I
>bet within five years we start seeing anal "debuts" from a lot of
>aging former contract stars trying to keep a toehold.
I fear that you are right, and I think it's a shame. Not because the "old
biddies" are still doing porn, but because anal has become so prevalent that
starlets think they *have* to do it.
Frank
** Traci, Ginger, Nikki, Amber, Christy, Kristara; Those were the days! **
Torris
wrote:
>>I don't consider Asia to be an "A" level starlet. She'll never be in
>>the Hall of Fame
>>
>Hmm... I'm not sure I agree with that. Especially in comparison to
>your two examples.
You can count on porn racism if nothing else. Are there any blacks in
the porn Hall of Fames other than Desiree West? No Sahara, No FM
Bradley, No Angel Kelly.
Tera is too new to tell if she'll just be a flash
>in the pan or not. And Asia is certainly a higher profile star that
>Rocki Roads will ever be.
Roads is a contract girl for Digital Playground. I think that puts her
higher on the food chain. Asia is in a lot of garden variety stuff
If for no other reason that Asia is a former
>Vivid Girl.
Yeah, well that's not the most exclusive club
I will agree that Asia isn't in the same league as Christy
>or Jenna. Asia more like an "A-" level starlet. ;-)
I'd consider her a B+ startlet :-)
Torris
"Rehab is for quitters"
Torris
wrote:
>I agree. However, I think that her willingness to do anal is largely
>responsible for the giant influx that anal made into pornography in the 90s.
I think the gonzo phenomenon was more responsible then Ginger doing
anal.
>Once anal became pervasive, it lost whatever appeal it had for me as a
>*forbidden* act - now I just find it boring.
To me it has real drama, esp. if they show the insertion shot. I also
like the way the pussy opens up while a dick is in ass.
Back when it was something
>*extra*, it was something that could be looked forward to.
I sure look forward to it whenever a starlet who I wouldn't expect to
do anal, does anal like a Tera Patrick or a forthcoming Rocki Roads
anal, Jen Teal (which I've only seen vidcaps of) etc
>
>>Has Taylor Hayes done anal under Vivid contract? I'm not sure I get
>>your gist with this paragraph.
>
>I think she was saying that in Asia's case, the influx of assitional Vivid
>girls may have made her feel pressure to do anal so that she could stay on the
>top of the Vivid girl heap.
Vivid would be a haven for girls who don't want to do anal
Of course, she's actually become a bigger star
>since she left Vivid, imo. Mostly do, of course, to self-promotion.
Asia Carerra? She's a novelty b/c of the internet. I don't see her on
the cover of AVN like Tera Patrick this month. She's ancient anyway.
Seen it blandly thousands of times.
>
>>That Nina Hartley had to resort to
>>doing anal to hang onto gigs? is that what you're saying here?
>
>I think that's what she meant about Nina, but I don't necessarily agree. I
>suspect Nina did anal simply because Nina likes sex.
Just like she got breast implants because she likes silicone :-)
She simply held off on
>anal until it became "more acceptable", rather than doing it to salvage her
>acreer. IMO.
Frank, you should be her publicist! You've got the knack! When Hartley
hits 60 next month I'm sure she'll have a new gimmick to keep her in
the mix. She'll probably let Max piss all over her and she'll say that
urine is such a great aruveydic treatment
>I fear that you are right, and I think it's a shame. Not because the "old
>biddies" are still doing porn, but because anal has become so prevalent that
>starlets think they *have* to do it.
I noticed that when Chambers and Ginger Lynn came out of their
convalescent homes they both did anal. Coincidence? I think not! :-)
Frank Simmons
>I noticed that when Chambers and Ginger Lynn came out of their
>convalescent homes they both did anal. Coincidence? I think not! :-)
Not sure what your point here is, Torris. Neither of them was a stranger to
anal before their "comebacks", which is what I thought you were referring to
(such as with Amber.)
Frank
** Traci, Ginger, Nikki, Amber, Christy, Kristara; Those were the days! **
Frank Simmons
>I think she was saying that in Asia's case, the influx of assitional Vivid
>girls may have made her feel pressure to do anal so that she could stay on
>the
>top of the Vivid girl heap.
Boy - considering the subject - there's a freudian typo. :-) The word was
supposed to have been "additional".
Torris
wrote:
>frank...@aol.com (Frank Simmons) wrote in
><rame.965221212p10220@bash>:
>
>
>>I agree. However, I think that her willingness to do anal is
>>largely responsible for the giant influx that anal made into
>>pornography in the 90s. Prior to Ginger, you knew just from the cast
>>list if there was going to be an anal in an 80s flick. Frx, if
>>Sherie St. Clair was in it, you knew there was going to be anal.
>>Ginger was the first big star who regularly did anal, but not as her
>>trademark. This made it more acceptable, and (unfortunately, imo)
>>forced other women to feel they had to do it - until finally it
>>became "required".
>
>I was going to mention that. Really the only person doing anal back
>then was Sheri.
Penny Morgan, Jeannie Pepper, Siobahn Hunter, Tish Ambrose, Lili
Marlene, Sahara, Elle Rio, Nina DePonca all did probably as much anal
as a rational as is done today
Torris
"Rehab is for quitters"
Joe Lancello
>>Sheri St. Clair was in it, you knew there was going to be anal.
>I was going to mention that. Really the only person doing anal back
>then was Sheri. I don't know if that's because she liked it, or
>because she had to do something to overcome her "Amazon" appearance.
What do you mean by Amazon? I remember Sheri as attractive, great ass, sexy
hands, breasts that weren't huge but certainly suckable, and enthusiastic.
I also remember she loved working with girls. Too much for some people's
tastes?
>I'm sure that if she didn't have this "specialty" at the time she would
>have gotten a great deal of work. She's a wonderful person, but...
>
But what?
JL
A Sheri St. Clair fan....and a fan of yours from "Blowing in Style." ;)
Torris
wrote:
>>From: tor...@uswest.net (Torris)
>
>>I noticed that when Chambers and Ginger Lynn came out of their
>>convalescent homes they both did anal. Coincidence? I think not! :-)
>
>Not sure what your point here is, Torris. Neither of them was a stranger to
>anal before their "comebacks", which is what I thought you were referring to
>(such as with Amber.)
>
>Frank
Well, I think it's the same effect as Amber. Desperation b/c they're
all showing how old they've become. So they know that in order to be
relevant it had better be anal, which will guarantee that people pay
attention to the comeback
Torris
"Rehab is for quitters"
Tinto
wrote:
>Well, that's certainly a question, although I'd rather watch Chasey Lain in a
>medicore scene than Rosanne Barr in the hottest scene ever filmed...
me too :)
>But to a lot of RAMErs, especially the youngsters, a hot scene isn't possible
>without an anal.
I got a problem: am I smarter than the average or simply getting old?
I have to say: I'started watching porn quite regulary at the age of 26
(now I'm 30) and in the first period I found a little repulsive
facials and was used to press "fast Forward" during anal scenes.
Now I like facials and enjoy anal scenes where girls don't seem to
suffer. Porn movies are making me bad or widening my mind?
This is the question :)
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Tinto
>And that's really a shame that they are so jaded and don't get any
>enjoyment out of sex the way nature meant it amd treating girls nice.
a question also for you: do you think facials are "treating girls
bad"?
I'm not searching for a flame, simply I would like to understand.
Frank Simmons
>I was going to mention that. Really the only person doing anal back
>then was Sheri. I don't know if that's because she liked it, or
>because she had to do something to overcome her "Amazon" appearance.
I've always like Sheri's appearance myself, but I seem to be pretty much alone
in that regards. I liked her smile, and thought she was great in both "Charm
School" (as the Mafia daughter) and "Dr. Penetration" (as Igor). Personally, I
would have liked her even if she'd have never taken it up the butt (probably
more.)
>I'm sure that if she didn't have this "specialty" at the time she would
>have gotten a great deal of work. She's a wonderful person, but...
>
I think the word "not" was left out of the above. :-)
Frank
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David
news:rame.965170821p716@bash...
>
> Prior to that? Maybe Asia? I certainly don't think the anals she did in
"A is
> for Asia" was necessary to salvage a career, you however might disagree.
IIRC Asia had a hand in the production of "A is for Asia" and presumably got
a larger share of the $$$ because of that. IMO Asia did anal in that movie,
because by doing a rare anal (for her) she insured that it would be a big
seller, and she'd get more $$$ in her pocket.
Hal Horn
>
> I was going to mention that. Really the only person doing anal back
> then was Sheri.
Well, not really. Sheri was one of many circa 1985 that did anal
in a majority of her appearances. Among the others: Buffy Davis, Tanya
Foxx, Keli Richards, Summer Rose, and Erica Boyer. Even Sheri didn't
do it in "every" movie though. "Ladies of the 80's", for example. But
I'd say with the girls on this list, they all did anal in well over
50% of their movies.
I don't know if that's because she liked it, or
> because she had to do something to overcome her "Amazon" appearance.
I read a remark once by one of her co-stars that she liked giving BJ's
much more than she did anal, but anal paid more.
HCH
Frank Simmons
>
>a question also for you: do you think facials are "treating girls
>bad"?
>
>I'm not searching for a flame, simply I would like to understand.
IMO, it depends on the facial. If it's one where the girl definitely dislikes
it from all appearances, yeah, it's treating her bad. If, however, it is one
where the girl appears to enjoy it (and yes, in the real world, this strange
creature really does exist) then it isn't "treating her bad", imo. A good
example of the latter is the facial that Marilyn Chambers takes from Richars
Pacheco in "Insatiable" - the way her face lights up and the incredible smile
she puts on says either (1) Marilyn really enjoyed that scene or (2) Marilyn
was a dman fine actress.
Frank
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Frank Simmons
>Well, I think it's the same effect as Amber. Desperation b/c they're
>all showing how old they've become. So they know that in order to be
>relevant it had better be anal, which will guarantee that people pay
>attention to the comeback
I disagree. With Amber's comeback, seeing her do anal might be a reason to
watch the vid. For Ginger and Marilyn it isn't - it isn't something new.
At least none of them have taken to mating outside their species, AFAIK -
unlike someone whose initials are CM.
Hal Horn
> the porn Hall of Fames other than Desiree West? No Sahara, No FM
> Bradley, No Angel Kelly.
Johnny Keyes is in the XRCO Hall of Fame, and Sean Michaels certainly
will be.
I think a stronger case among females could be made for Jeannie Pepper
than Sahara or Angel Kelly. The XRCO seems to honor longevity, and they
weren't around very long.
HCH
Snowman
>>>Sherie St. Clair was in it, you knew there was going to be anal.
>>I was going to mention that. Really the only person doing anal back
>>then was Sheri.
>
>Penny Morgan, Jeannie Pepper, Siobahn Hunter, Tish Ambrose, Lili
>Marlene, Sahara, Elle Rio, Nina DePonca all did probably as much anal
>as a rational as is done today
There was regular stable of girls who regularly performed anal in that
time period -- but the tapes they appeared in were less numerous than
today.
Besides the starlets Torris mentioned:
Early Eighties: Crystal Breeze, Angel Cash
Mid Eighties: Kelli Richards, Buffy Davis, Tanya Foxx, Tiffany Storm,
Jennifer Knox. These four alone -- together with Penny Morgan (AKA
Rachel Ryan) were probably responsible for dozens of anal scenes
during this period. Also Brittany Stryker, Patti Petite, Kari Foxx,
Chanel Price.
Late Eighties to Early 90's: Cassi Nova, Kari Foxx, Chanel Price,
Viper, Debi Diamond
There's more whose names are not coming to me...
>I agree. However, I think that her willingness to do anal is
>>largely responsible for the giant influx that anal made into
>>pornography in the 90s. Prior to Ginger, you knew just from the cast
Not me... Although Ginger was the cutest girl who did anal back then,
most of her scenes did not include it.
I'd say in chronlogical order, the people most responsible for the
giant influx of anal was
1. Hal Freedman and his Caught From Behind Series -- this series was
the rage for anal fans during the mid eighties and risky due to the
political climate.
2. Buttman -- although he didn't start off with tons of anal in his
movies, he focused people people on the ass like never before.
3. Max Hardcore - his anal scenes were way more explicit and longer
than anyone else. At the time, it was really groundbreaking.
4. Rosebud -- They were high quality, explicit and came out once a
month I believe.
Girls willing to perform anal were always there. It was the visions
of the people above who changed the face of porn. Whether you like
this direction or not is a different matter.
Snowman
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Lazar921
come on...who is that?? ]
did i miss something
Torris
>h...@spam.com (David) wrote in <rame.965268026p32020@bash>:
>
>>IIRC Asia had a hand in the production of "A is for Asia" and
>>presumably got a larger share of the $$$ because of that. IMO Asia
>>did anal in that movie, because by doing a rare anal (for her) she
>>insured that it would be a big seller, and she'd get more $$$ in her
>>pocket.
>
>It's a very smart move. Even as a "second-tier" performer, as I am
>described by some, whenever I doled out an anal the movie was a great
>seller because I have/had lots of fans and they really wanted to see me
>do it. Suply and demand is a foreign concept to porners.
Doesn't this explain then why anal is so overwhelming. I'm sure most
starlets who make more than a half dozen videos have their SFBs who
salivate over their favorites doing anal.
Look at Private: Vivid quality girls all doing anal and DPs. The
Czech/Hungarian girls are infinitely more attractive and better built
then anyone working as a contract girl for Vivid. Mercedes alone makes
Janine look like Nina Whett
They seem to
>believe they'll get rich by finding something people like and giving
>them dumptruckloads of it rather than meting out the supply to keep the
>demand at a sustained level.
I think what alot of the analphobics aren't willing to admit is that
over the past porn generation anal has become expected as a sexual
"checkoff" for a video. Meaning, you would be pissed if you rented a
video and it didn't have any oral sex wouldn't you? Same applies. I
don't think these porn producers see it as flooding the market but
more like providing the daily nutritional requirement in their movies.
But maybe I'm wrong and soon an enterprising company will cater to
this supposed silent majority and start marketing their Videos "Anal
Free"!
Torris
"Rehab is for quitters"
Tinto
>tin...@bigfoot.com (Tinto) wrote in <rame.965253615p24897@bash>:
>>a question also for you: do you think facials are "treating girls
>>bad"?
>>
>>I'm not searching for a flame, simply I would like to understand.
>
>It depends on what kind. If you mean gabbing her by the hair, forcing
>a dick in her maoth and shooting in her eyes, yeah I might say that's
>bad.
ok, this was already clear to me ;)
the facials I like to see are absolutely not of that kind:
"large loads&large smiles" should be a proper slogan :))
>But I'm really the wrong person to ask about general facials
>because I liked them and tried to end all of my scenes that way.
well, this was the response I was hoping :)
> I was
>sort of the Sheri St. Clair of the facial in my day. ;)
mmm, I don't konw who's her (I live in italy), but it' clear what you
meant
>One of few who would, and fewer who liked it.
thanks for being a good "pathfinder" :)
P.S.: about "bad anals": today I was happy to remove from the free web
space (that I have to check at work) an anal MPEG with Rocco *hurting*
a fine brunette.
It's a pity when I'm forced to delete good .jpgs and .mpgs, but this
time it was right ;)
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Mikey
tor...@uswest.net wrote:
>
> But maybe I'm wrong and soon an enterprising company will cater to
> this supposed silent majority and start marketing their Videos "Anal
> Free"!
>
> Torris
>
Great. That's all I need to see on a box cover. As if it's not enough
that my marriage is anal-free, for chrissakes...
~Mikey~
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news:rame.965280022p2253@bash...
>
> It's a very smart move. Even as a "second-tier" performer, as I am
> described by some, whenever I doled out an anal the movie was a great
> seller because I have/had lots of fans and they really wanted to see me
> believe they'll get rich by finding something people like and giving
> them dumptruckloads of it rather than meting out the supply to keep the
> demand at a sustained level.
I always thought that at the end of her career Janine would do one boy-girl
video, which she would produce. Just think how big a seller that would have
been. Looks like I was wrong.
[MOD: You don't think she had a piece of the Janine & Vince
distribution rights? :-) -- Jeff]
Lazar921
all i can come up w is chessie moore or constance money and i don't think you
are referring to them.
oh i love constance money.
damn.........THOSE were the days alright!!
Frank Simmons
>
><<unlike someone whose initials are CM.>>
>
>come on...who is that?? ]
>did i miss something
Chessie Moore - early 90s big breast chick. Did at least one doggie flick.
Frank
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Torris
>tor...@uswest.net (Torris) wrote in <rame.965312413p7542@bash>:
>
>
>>But maybe I'm wrong and soon an enterprising company will cater to
>>this supposed silent majority and start marketing their Videos "Anal
>>Free"!
>>
>As I've said, if I felt like risking my own investment for the experiment it
>would probably pay off rather well. I'm just too much of a fucking tightwad.
>:)
Steve Drake's Sex Offenders line for Wicked kind of already does this.
Talks about how his series doesn't gross you out or anything. Funny, I
don't think I've ever seen anyone on this group ever talk about this
line
Torris
"Rehab is for quitters"
Torris
>In article <rame.965312413p7542@bash>,
> tor...@uswest.net wrote:
>
>>
>> But maybe I'm wrong and soon an enterprising company will cater to
>> this supposed silent majority and start marketing their Videos "Anal
>> Free"!
>>
>> Torris
>>
>
>
>Great. That's all I need to see on a box cover. As if it's not enough
>that my marriage is anal-free, for chrissakes...
>
>~Mikey~
Thanks for proving my point so well
Patrick Riley
>There was regular stable of girls who regularly performed anal in that
>time period -- but the tapes they appeared in were less numerous than
>today.
>Besides the starlets Torris mentioned:
>Early Eighties: Crystal Breeze, Angel Cash
When did Crystal Breeze do an anal? What movie?
Patrick Riley
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>On Thu, 03 Aug 2000 14:48:31, bra...@kamikaze.org (Brandy A.) wrote:
[Anal Free]
>>As I've said, if I felt like risking my own investment for the experiment it
>>would probably pay off rather well. I'm just too much of a fucking tightwad.
>>:)
>Steve Drake's Sex Offenders line for Wicked kind of already does this.
>Talks about how his series doesn't gross you out or anything. Funny, I
>don't think I've ever seen anyone on this group ever talk about this
>line
Maybe that's because Sex Offenders was little different from any other
gonzo line with the normal quota of anals and facials. Certainly not
anal-free. Even if it were anal free this group is hardly likely to
discuss it. Witness voyager's comments about never hearing mentioned
some of the award winners at the AVN Oscars.
Frank Simmons
>all i can come up w is chessie moore or constance money and i don't think you
>are referring to them.
>
>oh i love constance money.
>damn.........THOSE were the days alright!!
I like Constance a lot as well. And I was referring to Chessie. Yep - Chessie
Does Fido...
Frank
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Torris
wrote:
>tor...@uswest.net (Torris) wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 03 Aug 2000 14:48:31, bra...@kamikaze.org (Brandy A.) wrote:
>
>[Anal Free]
>
>>>As I've said, if I felt like risking my own investment for the experiment it
>>>would probably pay off rather well. I'm just too much of a fucking tightwad.
>>>:)
>
>>Steve Drake's Sex Offenders line for Wicked kind of already does this.
>>Talks about how his series doesn't gross you out or anything. Funny, I
>>don't think I've ever seen anyone on this group ever talk about this
>>line
>
>Maybe that's because Sex Offenders was little different from any other
>gonzo line with the normal quota of anals and facials. Certainly not
>anal-free. Even if it were anal free this group is hardly likely to
>discuss it. Witness voyager's comments about never hearing mentioned
>some of the award winners at the AVN Oscars.
Why is that? Bad promotion from Wicked? Isn't it the Wicked Gonzo
equivalent like Penetrating the East is supposed to match up with
Private; EuroBabes; Big Babies in Budapest etc?
The whole idea that Brandy believes that she could market an Anal Free
line -- marketing it as such, when even as you and others are pointing
out that Vivid etc are having more anal in them is the premise that I
was questioning.
Even if we're talking about the mail order customer, which how many
units does an Excalibur or Jaded sell direct to the customer in a
given month? You really have to be able to sell to the wholesaler like
a Goalie or GVA. Why would they want to take orders for a product that
turns off as many potential buyers as it purports to attract? I'm
questioning her line that she could make big money on an anal free
product.
The only instance where the industry really has done so, marketing a
"sanitized product" was Zane's Safe Sex ads. Funny a year later, I
don't see them marketing all condom in their ads. I wonder why that is
(sarcasm)
Torris
"Rehab is for quitters"
Snowman
wrote:
>>Besides the starlets Torris mentioned:
>
>>Early Eighties: Crystal Breeze, Angel Cash
>
>When did Crystal Breeze do an anal? What movie?
LOL (the ever watchful Patrick Riley)
When I wrote that, I couldn't remember the girl's last name, and
Breeze was all that was coming to me. Now, I think I meant to write
Crystal Dawn -- she was a blond with straight blond hair -- sort of
skanky looking. She was in a lot of loop compilations in the early
days of video tape. I never really cared for her, I just remember she
did a lot of anal. Does that ring more of a bell?
But, I also think Crystal Breeze did perform anal a few times. It's
been so long, I am not sure I can remember the movies. It's hazy --
maybe a Vidco movie? If I saw her photo, maybe that would help me
remember.
Snowman
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Patrick Riley
>On Thu, 03 Aug 2000 23:13:26, Patrick Riley <p_r...@pipeline.com>
>wrote:
>
>>>Besides the starlets Torris mentioned:
>>
>>>Early Eighties: Crystal Breeze, Angel Cash
>>
>>When did Crystal Breeze do an anal? What movie?
>
>LOL (the ever watchful Patrick Riley)
>When I wrote that, I couldn't remember the girl's last name, and
>Breeze was all that was coming to me. Now, I think I meant to write
>Crystal Dawn -- she was a blond with straight blond hair -- sort of
>skanky looking. She was in a lot of loop compilations in the early
>days of video tape. I never really cared for her, I just remember she
>did a lot of anal. Does that ring more of a bell?
OK, that's more like it.
>But, I also think Crystal Breeze did perform anal a few times. It's
>been so long, I am not sure I can remember the movies. It's hazy --
>maybe a Vidco movie? If I saw her photo, maybe that would help me
>remember.
Well, I'd certainly like to find one especially from her early days
but I think it's wishful thinking. I seem to remember that when she
returned (in 98?) there was some discussion and the conclusion was
that she had never done anal.
I can't help with a photo, sorry. Maybe there's a boxcover on
excalibur?
Patrick Riley
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>
>Snowman <snowm...@mail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>But, I also think Crystal Breeze did perform anal a few times. It's
>>been so long, I am not sure I can remember the movies. It's hazy --
>>maybe a Vidco movie? If I saw her photo, maybe that would help me
>Well, I'd certainly like to find one especially from her early days
>but I think it's wishful thinking. I seem to remember that when she
>returned (in 98?) there was some discussion and the conclusion was
>that she had never done anal.
>
>I can't help with a photo, sorry. Maybe there's a boxcover on
>excalibur?
>
Here's one - an unlike Excalibur, you don't have to be a member:
http://jadedvideo.com/y_result.asp?DESCRIPTION=&MANUFACTURER=ALL&PRODUCT_I
D=06297&CATEGORY=ALL&SQLStmt=SELECT+*+FROM+PRODUCT+WHERE+%28%28DESCRIPTION
+LIKE+%27%25%25%27+OR+LONG_DESCRIPTION+LIKE+%27%25%25%27%29+AND+%28PRODUCT
_ID+LIKE+%27%2506297%25%27%29+AND+%28%28%28product.CATEGORY+LIKE+%27%25%25
%27%29+OR+%28product.CATEGORY+%3D+%27%27%29%29+AND+%28%28product.MFG+LIKE+
%27%25%25%27%29+OR+%28product.MFG+%3D+%27%27%29%29%29%29+ORDER+BY+DESCRIPT
ION+ASC+&ScrollAction=Page+1
(Geeze - I hope that works, otherwise search on "Crystal Breeze" on Jaded.)
Frank
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wrote:
>>>But, I also think Crystal Breeze did perform anal a few times. It's
>>>been so long, I am not sure I can remember the movies. It's hazy --
>>>maybe a Vidco movie? If I saw her photo, maybe that would help me
>
>>Well, I'd certainly like to find one especially from her early days
>>but I think it's wishful thinking. I seem to remember that when she
>>returned (in 98?) there was some discussion and the conclusion was
>>that she had never done anal.
>>
>>I can't help with a photo, sorry. Maybe there's a boxcover on
>>excalibur?
>>
>Here's one - an unlike Excalibur, you don't have to be a member:
I did a search on Jaded and looked at the boxcovers, but Crystal isn't
featured on most of them. Many of them were comp tapes, not the
original features.
One really old one popped up - Wild Weekend -- one of Ginger Lynn's
first movies. I think it is from 1984. Crystal is on the back.
That's pretty much how I remember her.
I still think she may have performed anal. If I come across any
further information on this, I'll be sure to post about it.
Snowman
Spenk
thought about the "health thing"!Having very often anal sex can
badly influence your health!I heard a rumor(!) that Ginger Lynn
is reported to shit in her pants because she cannot hold it back
(she has done to often anal)!That could be a reason, too, why
some stars refuse to do anal scenes!
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>
> >But, I also think Crystal Breeze did perform anal a few times. It's
> >been so long, I am not sure I can remember the movies. It's hazy --
> >maybe a Vidco movie? If I saw her photo, maybe that would help me
>
> Well, I'd certainly like to find one especially from her early days
> but I think it's wishful thinking. I seem to remember that when she
> returned (in 98?) there was some discussion and the conclusion was
> that she had never done anal.
Casino of Lust (1984 Atom), but it looked fake!
Felix Miata
> >>But maybe I'm wrong and soon an enterprising company will cater to
> >>this supposed silent majority and start marketing their Videos "Anal
> >>Free"!
> >As I've said, if I felt like risking my own investment for the experiment it
> >would probably pay off rather well. I'm just too much of a fucking tightwad.
> >:)
Put me down for a copy of the debut release if you change your mind,
assuming it isn't distributed on Vivid media of course.
> Steve Drake's Sex Offenders line for Wicked kind of already does this.
> Talks about how his series doesn't gross you out or anything.
I wouldn't call them materially less gross than average. I've seen 20
Drake-directed features, including the first four Sex Offenders. Of the
20, only 2 made in 1986 failed to include anal.
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Tommy1871
>> >>this supposed silent majority and start marketing their Videos "Anal
>> >>Free"!
And lose the biggest spenders in the market? No time soon.
TD