Here's the Guardian article on it:
http://film.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/Observer/0,4029,476622,00.html
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Mark Rylance?? He's a big-time Shakespearean actor. I saw him kick ass
as Hamlet once. What a trip....
"Viewfinder" <viewf...@icrazy.com> wrote in message
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> Well, it seems that we have a quasi-crossover from mainstream to porn, if
we
> can call it that. Kerry Fox, a well known british actress, apparently
> performs oral sex for real on an actor in a new british film called
> "Intimacy
I'm pretty sure this is a first.
>
When someone sees the film, give us a blow by blow account of what is shown
Pam
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"P for Chat" <pfor...@aol.com> wrote in message
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>You figure that there are plenty of Actresses who are willing to sleep with
>a producer or director to get a part, these will be the first to "Take One"
>for a Mainstream movie. I've never heard of this Maintream actress, but I
>wonder how her career will turn out? Either she will be Ostricized or will
>be hailed as "The First of Many"
>
>
>"P for Chat" <pfor...@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:rame.988188013p19265@bash...
>> Has anyone got pictures of Kerry Fox?
>>
>> When someone sees the film, give us a blow by blow account of what is
>shown
>>
I wouldn't be surprised to find out that Patsy Kensit had been penetrated by
her "brother" in "Angels and Insects" - he definitely has a hard-on in the
coitus interruptus scene. I've always figured her to be one that would be
willing to actually screw on screen if the part called for it.
Frank
** Traci, Ginger, Christy, Amber, Nikki, Kristara, Ali; Those Were The Days **
> I wouldn't be surprised to find out that Patsy Kensit had been penetrated
> by
> her "brother" in "Angels and Insects" - he definitely has a hard-on in
> the
> coitus interruptus scene. I've always figured her to be one that would
> be
> willing to actually screw on screen if the part called for it.
>
It's that scene-- where he jumps out of bed with some serious wood---
that caused the film to get an NC-17 reating
There have been some other infamous instances:
Carole Laure, a French-Canadian actress who starred in Victory with Sylvester
Stallone and Michael Caine (playing Stallone's love interest - not a minor
part), and also in Sweet Country with Randy Quaid. In 1977 she made a film
called The Angel And The Woman, appearing with her husband Lewis Furey. In the
film they have missionary intercouse and she sucks him off, ending with a
facial cumshot.
Amanda Ooms, a Swedish actress, appears to give forced head to a costar in the
1988 film Hotel St. Pauli. Whether this was a dildo or the guy's real schlong
is open for debate as the actress refuses to comment.
Marushka Detmers, an actress from the Netherlands, starred in Devil in the
Flesh in 1987 and can quite clearly be seen giving head to a young costar.
There was alot of other sex, but it is unclear as to whether or not it was
simulated.
Caroline Ducey, a French actress sometimes credited as Caroline Trousselard,
starred in Romance last year, performing some uninspired fellatio and having
our very own Rocco Siffredi hump her from behind.
There are mpegs freely floating around the internet of all these scenes and
they pop up in various newsgroups on a regular basis.
> Well, it seems that we have a quasi-crossover from mainstream to
> porn, if we can call it that. Kerry Fox, a well known british
> actress, apparently performs oral sex for real on an actor in a new
> british film called "Intimacy".
Oh shoot -- that's news to me, and there's sure to be plenty of press
about it down here in New Zealand.
See, Kerry Fox isn't British -- she's a New Zealander and quite well
known down here -- on a level with other New Zealand actors like Russell
Crowe, Lucy (Xena) Lawless, Anna Paquin, Sam Neill etc. Imagine any of
them doing a blowjob on screen (mmm... especially Lucy Lawless) --
that's the sort of coverage Kerry will get down here.
On top of that, we're a repressive little society with almost no local
porn and a tendency to wild-ass moral panics. I'm gonna call my local
newspaper now, before the rush starts...
--
Paul Slickey
Huh. Amazon lists the tape as R-rated, and the trailer doesn't make it look
like the rest of the film is something I want to sit through...
Mike Paul
So much for adding it to my Patsy 'collection'...
> Carole Laure, a French-Canadian actress who starred in Victory
> with Sylvester Stallone and Michael Caine (playing Stallone's love
> interest - not a minor part), and also in Sweet Country with Randy
> Quaid. In 1977 she made a film called The Angel And The Woman, appearing
> with her husband Lewis Furey. In the film they have missionary
> intercouse and she sucks him off, ending with a facial cumshot.
I found it for sale for $47 at http://www.robertsvideos.com.
Is there something worth watching beyond her sex scene? The stuff she did
in "Sweet Movie" was OK, but I put that tape away after a couple of
viewings...
Mike Paul
It'd be nice to make more use of this one than that...
Did anyone see Alice In Wonderland?
[Mod: She gives the Mad Hatter a blow job, masturbates, and has a g-g scene
with the Queen of Hearts, There is also footage of her and her boyfriend
screwing - although there is a controversy as to whether or not the scene was
explicit. The original theatrical release did not include any insertion
shots during that scene, but the version currently available does. All of
the insertion shots are close-ups, however, so it could be footage of some
other people inserted into the scene. -- Frank]
On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 05:25:32, "Viewfinder" <viewf...@icrazy.com>
wrote:
>Well, it seems that we have a quasi-crossover from mainstream to porn, if we
>can call it that. Kerry Fox, a well known british actress,
A New Zealander actually.
>apparently
>performs oral sex for real on an actor in a new british film called
>"Intimacy". The flick was done by french director Patrice Chereau. The
>director, when asked whether Kerry Fox and her co-star had actually had real
>intercourse during the many sex scenes in the movie, responded in an evasive
>way, saying that those kind of scenes are "too difficult to fake". The uncut
>version of the film shows Kerry Fox clearly sucking Mark Rylance's dick, but
>no clear shots of intercourse. I'm pretty sure this is a first.
Possibly a first in English language cinema, but there have been
several non-anglophone films recently with real sex performed by
leading cast members (e.g. The Idiots, Romance).
>I may be way off base here but didn't Kristine deBell give some short bj
>scenes in
>Alice In Wonderland back in the 1970s. I never saw it but have heard alot
>about
>it. She stared in a Jackie Chan movie (The Big Brawl), Meatballs,
Cheerleaders
>Wild Weekend, and did a season on The Young And The Resless. I'd say that
>makes
>her fairly well known. But then I never heard of Kerry Fox before so....
>
>Did anyone see Alice In Wonderland?
>
>[Mod: She gives the Mad Hatter a blow job, masturbates, and has a g-g scene
>with the Queen of Hearts, There is also footage of her and her boyfriend
>screwing - although there is a controversy as to whether or not the scene
was
>explicit. The original theatrical release did not include any insertion
>shots during that scene, but the version currently available does. All of
>the insertion shots are close-ups, however, so it could be footage of some
>other people inserted into the scene. -- Frank]
I finally saw some mpegs of this. Is the tape still available for
purchase anywhere?
[Mod: Last I checked, both Excalibur and Video Age had it. I got mine from
Excalibur about a year ago or so. Be prepared, however - it's a musical! --
Frank]
Torris
"Rehab is for quitters"
I checked Excalibur yesterday and Alice in Wonderland is no longer
available.
[Mod: I just checked Video Age, and they don't have it either. Guess I got
lucky. Sorry, Torris. -- Frank]
>On Fri, 27 Apr 2001 07:06:01 GMT, trojanman <troj...@mailcity.com>
>wrote:
>
>>I may be way off base here but didn't Kristine deBell give some short bj
>>scenes in
>>Alice In Wonderland back in the 1970s. I never saw it but have heard alot
>>about
>>it. She stared in a Jackie Chan movie (The Big Brawl), Meatballs,
>Cheerleaders
>>Wild Weekend, and did a season on The Young And The Resless. I'd say that
>>makes
>>her fairly well known. But then I never heard of Kerry Fox before so....
>>
>>Did anyone see Alice In Wonderland?
>>
>>[Mod: She gives the Mad Hatter a blow job, masturbates, and has a g-g
scene
>>with the Queen of Hearts, There is also footage of her and her boyfriend
>>screwing - although there is a controversy as to whether or not the scene
>was
>>explicit. The original theatrical release did not include any insertion
>>shots during that scene, but the version currently available does. All of
>>the insertion shots are close-ups, however, so it could be footage of some
>>other people inserted into the scene. -- Frank]
>
>From my observations I'd say it is 'stunted'. The penetration shots
never show Kristine's face and the hands in the frame during said
shots, don't match her hands in other shots in that scene.
>I finally saw some mpegs of this. Is the tape still available for
>purchase anywhere?
>
>[Mod: Last I checked, both Excalibur and Video Age had it. I got mine from
>Excalibur about a year ago or so. Be prepared, however - it's a musical! --
>Frank]
>
>Torris
>
>"Rehab is for quitters"
Stan Stewart
>On Sat, 28 Apr 2001 14:00:58, tor...@uswest.net (Torris) wrote:
>
>I checked Excalibur yesterday and Alice in Wonderland is no longer
>available.
>
>[Mod: I just checked Video Age, and they don't have it either. Guess I
>got lucky. Sorry, Torris. -- Frank]
Toyboxxx has a copy of it, or Blue Door has a copy to rent:
http://www.iafd.com/searchvendormovie.asp?movie=alice+in+wonderland
Actually, Oshima Nagisa's 1976 materpiece, IN THE REALM OF THE SENSES featured
mainstream Japanese thespians Tatsuya Fuji & Eiko Matsuda (a drop-dead beauty
too) not only shagged in glorious detail but there's a nice sequence where she
gives Fuji head and really savors it.
The film was banned in Japan, at first, and received funding from a French
consortium. As a kid I recall a lot of the neauvo riche Tokyoites paying
exhorbadant sums of dough for a special Paris vacation that included a
screening of the film.
On the film's 25th anniversary, it was finally released uncut (albeit with the
"mosaic" over penetration and the penis (it's now okay to show female pubes,
but not the pink) and I caught an interview with Fuji who seems to have no
remorse about breaking that invisible-wall for "art."
Ja-ne,
Shinji
Jinsei Ai!
>See, Kerry Fox isn't British -- she's a New Zealander and quite well
>known down here -- on a level with other New Zealand actors like Russell
>Crowe, Lucy (Xena) Lawless, Anna Paquin, Sam Neill etc. Imagine any of
>them doing a blowjob on screen (mmm... especially Lucy Lawless) --
>that's the sort of coverage Kerry will get down here.
>
>On top of that, we're a repressive little society with almost no local
>porn and a tendency to wild-ass moral panics.
What about BRuno Lawrence going the "full monty" in THE QUITE EARTH? Also, the
shotgun to Jesus church sequence (with Lawrence in drag_ ahem, blows a hole
into moral pulchritude!
Ja-ne,
Shinji
I'm gonna call my local
>newspaper now, before the rush starts...
> --
>Paul Slickey
Jinsei Ai!
I wrote:
>There is also footage of her and her boyfriend
>>>screwing - although there is a controversy as to whether or not the scene
>>was
>>>explicit. The original theatrical release did not include any insertion
>>>shots during that scene, but the version currently available does. All of
>>>the insertion shots are close-ups, however, so it could be footage of some
>>>other people inserted into the scene. -- Frank]
Stan wrote:
>>From my observations I'd say it is 'stunted'. The penetration shots
>never show Kristine's face and the hands in the frame during said
>shots, don't match her hands in other shots in that scene.
Leave it to Stan. :-) I'll concede that it might well be stunted (in fact, I
already did) although the box claims otherwise. (Miss DeBell claims that this
scene was simulated, afaik.) For some reason, I wasn't looking at her hands
when I've watched the scene. :-)
Frank
** Traci, Ginger, Christy, Amber, Nikki, Kristara, Ali; Those Were The Days **
But the blowjob scene definitely was not stunted.
[Mod: Correct - there's no doubt that it's Kristine's pretty face around
that dick. -- Frank]
>Posted again as first seems to have been lost in cyber-space.
>
>On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 05:25:32, "Viewfinder" <viewf...@icrazy.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Well, it seems that we have a quasi-crossover from mainstream to porn, if we
>>can call it that. Kerry Fox, a well known british actress,
>
>A New Zealander actually.
>
>>apparently
>>performs oral sex for real on an actor in a new british film called
>>"Intimacy". The flick was done by french director Patrice Chereau. The
>>director, when asked whether Kerry Fox and her co-star had actually had real
>>intercourse during the many sex scenes in the movie, responded in an evasive
>>way, saying that those kind of scenes are "too difficult to fake". The uncut
>>version of the film shows Kerry Fox clearly sucking Mark Rylance's dick, but
>>no clear shots of intercourse. I'm pretty sure this is a first.
>
>Possibly a first in English language cinema, but there have been
>several non-anglophone films recently with real sex performed by
>leading cast members (e.g. The Idiots, Romance).
Add to these the 2 movies directed by Bruno Dumont, "La Vie de Jesus" and
"L'inquetude". Both contained full penetration scenes played by main actors
and both won some important prize (the second was "Prix Speciale de la
Jurie" at 1999 Cannes Festival).
The mainstreaming of daily sex acts like penetration or oral sex is a
reality in european Cinema.
_______________________
"Like a bird on the wire,
like a drunk in a midnight choir
I have tried in my way to be free."
Leonard Cohen - Bird on the Wire (1969)
I wonder what rating they would give to this movie in the US, since you can
get an NC-17 for excessive language. And then you have most MovieTheatres
in the US won't play a NC-17 or Non-Rated movie (I only know of one or two
theatres in the Atlanta Metro area that would possibly air the movie).
Would HBO or Showtime or ... put the movie on uncut??? I have a sad feeling
that these movies will only appear on Videotape (not available at Media Play
or Blockbuster video) or Pay Per View (not available everywhere due to
community standards)
I think we should all move to Spain :-}
"soljARis" <david...@comune.re.it> wrote in message
news:rame.988646413p19418@bash...
>You figure that there are plenty of Actresses who are willing to sleep with
>a producer or director to get a part, these will be the first to "Take One"
>for a Mainstream movie. I've never heard of this Maintream actress, but I
>wonder how her career will turn out? Either she will be Ostricized or will
>be hailed as "The First of Many"
>
She was the female flatmate in 'Shallow Grave' directed by
Danny 'Trainspotting' Boyle. IMDB lists some other stuff, mostly
independent cinema that probably never made it to US, but it's
an extensive resume.
I think she's actually from New Zealand
I think the point here is that it's one of the few scenes in
'English -language' cinema where an actress with an
established mainstream career has done this, rather than
starting out with the skinflick and hoping it stays buried :-)
TSoC