Tape recorder in "Sixth Sense"???? (spoilers!)
TexasBall
When Bruce Willis is playing back the tape of his conversations with the insane
patient who shot him, he hears the voices of the boy on the tape. What the heck
was that about? Was the movie inferring that the characters were, in fact, the
same person???
Del March
It wasn't the same boy. The tape was ten years old, when Vincent was a lot
younger, and had a boy's voice.
MasonBarge
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>When Bruce Willis is playing back the tape of his conversations with the
>insane
>patient who shot him, he hears the voices of the boy on the tape. What the
>heck
>was that about? Was the movie inferring that the characters were, in fact,
>the
>same person???
It wasn't the same person, but the boy might have been played by the same
actor. There is a strong connection between the two characters but they aren't
supposed to be the same person, only have the same problem. (Tape is from the
distant past.)
- Mason Barge
"If this is coffee, please bring me some tea. If this is tea, please bring me
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>When Bruce Willis is playing back the
>tape of his conversations with the insane
>patient who shot him, he hears the
>voices of the boy on the tape. What the
>heck was that about? Was the movie
>inferring that the characters were, in fact,
>the same person???
No, it was establishing that one of his former patients was having the
same problem as Cole: Seeing dead people.
--LOSTnCYBRspace
Yelmock83
thought ghosts weren't supposed to be able to see or hear other ghosts. I guess
maybe it could be Malcolm hearing what he wanted to hear on the tape, since at
that point he wanted to believe what Cole was saying more than anything.
Still it's kind of a cheat, along with Malcolm being able to break the glass at
his wife's shop. Ghosts probably shouldn't be able to do that, since the reason
they seek Cole's help in the first place is because they can't interact with
people who don't have the 6th sense.
Norman Wilner
<19990826185239...@ng-co1.aol.com>...
It's established fairly early in the film that ghosts can interact with the
real world (like, say, opening all the cupboards and drawers in a kitchen)
while not being seen by people who aren't sensitive to them.
It's also established that the presence of ghosts can be recorded by
conventional means, like photography; the voice on the tape was captured
when the recording was made, and would presumably be audible to anyone who
listened to the tape. Malcolm, dead or alive, would have heard that voice.
Norm Wilner
Starweek Magazine
MasonBarge
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>>someone want to explain how Malcolm can hear the
>>ghost on the tape recorder? I thought ghosts weren't
>>supposed to be able to see or hear other ghosts.
Apparently people can sense the presence of ghosts, just in a very attenuated
manner. There is a scene early on, where Cole's mom is looking at photos of
Cole. In each of them there is a bright little star, that looks like some kind
of reflection in the lens. But it appears again and again. She even puts one
long lavender fingernail on top of one of these, to show that she's wondering
about them and bring them to the audience's attention.
Also ghosts can make people feel cold, make the hair on their arms/necks stand
up, can sometimes affect physical objects, etc. I think we're supposes to
accept that they can sometimes speak loud enough for mortals to hear them.
This is the one point at which Shyamalan attempts to connect the movie to real
life and make the possibility of ghosts palatable to real experience. One
would conclude that people do see and hear these ghosts in real life, in very
subtle manifestations.
Personally, I wish he'd allowed someone to see a ghost, just barely, like a
floating shadow in the night.
IrishRose
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> someone want to explain how Malcolm can hear the ghost on the tape
> recorder? I thought ghosts weren't supposed to be able to see or hear
> other ghosts.
BUT once they've been recorded...ANYBODY living or dead (going with the
flow here) would/should be able to hear them. The tape has become a
"tangible" record -- not dependant on extrasensory perception -- it is
sense-able through the regular (sight, sound, taste, touch, smell)
senses.
> Still it's kind of a cheat, along with Malcolm being able to break the
> glass at his wife's shop. Ghosts probably shouldn't be able to do
> that, since the reason they seek Cole's help in the first place is
> because they can't interact with people who don't have the 6th sense.
There's a difference between interacting with people and impacting the
environment. Ever hear of poultergeists? Generally don't interact
directly with humans, but they certainly interact with furniture, rocks,
cabinets, etc.....
Linda
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"If a tree falls (or ghost talks) in the woods (outside of "seers"), does it
make a sound?"
Your damn right.
DscribeDC
"channeler" types, like little Osman, and that it was the root cause of his
psychosis.
Mike Rice
>It's established fairly early in the film that ghosts can interact with the
>real world (like, say, opening all the cupboards and drawers in a kitchen)
>while not being seen by people who aren't sensitive to them.
Thats horsepucky Starweek. The Kid opened all the drawers and
things, then sat and slurped his custard when mom returned as if
"jese, I wonder how that happened!"
Mike Rice
Mike Rice
>Also ghosts can make people feel cold, make the hair on their arms/necks stand
>up, can sometimes affect physical objects, etc. I think we're supposes to
>accept that they can sometimes speak loud enough for mortals to hear them.
>This is the one point at which Shyamalan attempts to connect the movie to real
>life and make the possibility of ghosts palatable to real experience.
No, no, this is the point where the audience is supposed to detect an
allusion to the cold in Regan's room way back at the Exorcist. When
the girl threw up, I thought for sure that Cole's head was going to do
a 360 on his shoulders. Thats not right. I was hoping something like
that might happen to break up the lethargy of this film.
Mike Rice
Mike Rice
like the vampire films where they pull a cross on
Dracula and he laughs. Then they stick a wooden
stake thru his heart and he casually asks for a Martini
with it.
Mike Rice
Mike Rice
Norman Wilner
I have to ask -- do you have some kind of compulsive disorder that forces
you to respond to every single post you read, whether or not you have
anything to actually say?
Norm Wilner
Starweek Magazine
curtis martin
was the ghost he claimed he saw.
TexasBall wrote:
> SPOILERS.................
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> When Bruce Willis is playing back the tape of his conversations with the insane
> patient who shot him, he hears the voices of the boy on the tape. What the heck
> was that about? Was the movie inferring that the characters were, in fact, the
> same person???
--
Curtis Martin
"Too much is always better than not enough."
yak
yelm...@aol.com says...
> someone want to explain how Malcolm can hear the ghost on the tape recorder? I
> maybe it could be Malcolm hearing what he wanted to hear on the tape, since at
> that point he wanted to believe what Cole was saying more than anything.
> his wife's shop. Ghosts probably shouldn't be able to do that, since the reason
> they seek Cole's help in the first place is because they can't interact with
> people who don't have the 6th sense.
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uhh, if it's a voice on a tape then he is not hearing other ghosts, he is
hearing a tape recording...
and if he shouldn't be able to break the door glass, how, then, did cole
get all those scratches etc. on his body?
Yelmock83
>uhh, if it's a voice on a tape then he is not hearing other ghosts, he is
>hearing a tape recording...
there was a ghost on the tape talking to a young Vincent, that's why Malcolm
came to believe what Cole was saying He heard the ghost on the tape, he
shouldn't have been able to, recording device or not.
>and if he shouldn't be able to break the door glass, how, then, did cole
>get all those scratches etc. on his body?
right, I understand that the ghosts in the movie can physically interact with
the real world, but I think their ability to raises a few questions. Think
about it, if every ghost can move or carry whatever real life object it wants,
then the little girl who was murdered wouldn't have needed Cole at all, she
would have moved the video tape on her own. Also think about all the other
ghosts in the 6th Sense that would have the same ability to move stuff, don't
you think the world would be a lot different than the one that is presented to
us in the movie? The movie had holes and it wasn't completly logical, that's
all.
shar...@see.my.sig.org
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>>uhh, if it's a voice on a tape then he is not hearing other ghosts, he is
>>hearing a tape recording...
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>there was a ghost on the tape talking to a young Vincent, that's why Malcolm
>came to believe what Cole was saying He heard the ghost on the tape, he
>shouldn't have been able to, recording device or not.
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What makes you believe that?
>>and if he shouldn't be able to break the door glass, how, then, did cole
>>get all those scratches etc. on his body?
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>Think about it, if every ghost can move or carry whatever real life object it wants,
What makes you think that? Some ghosts apparently can, others are not
demonstrated to do so.
>then the little girl who was murdered wouldn't have needed Cole at all, she
>would have moved the video tape on her own.
Perhaps she didn't know that she could. For that matter, she seemed
confused and "living" in a dream world. Remember, when she met Cole,
she vomited in one scene, and in the next said "I'm feeling much
better now." Obviously reliving the end of her life. Does this sound
like someone in tune with the world around her?
> Also think about all the other
>ghosts in the 6th Sense that would have the same ability to move stuff, don't
>you think the world would be a lot different than the one that is presented to
>us in the movie?
I'd say from the movie that ghosts don't always move things around
that much. Having the ability to do something (which is not a given
for a all ghosts) does not equal actually doing it. Another
consideration is that the ghosts we see moving things around are near
Cole or have been around Cole at some time. Perhaps he stimulates the
ghosts causing them to be more in tune with the real world and able to
interact more fully with the real world. The movie suggests that this
is the case.
>The movie had holes and it wasn't completly logical, that's
>all.
I think the story holds together very well. There's no error in logic
that I can see, but just things left open to speculation which
shouldn't bother anyone other than those who need every last detail
spelled out for them.
Steve
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Jeff Joseph
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>When Bruce Willis is playing back the tape of his conversations with the insane
>patient who shot him, he hears the voices of the boy on the tape. What the heck
>was that about? Was the movie inferring that the characters were, in fact, the
>same person??? >>
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>It wasn't the same boy. The tape was ten years old, when Vincent was a lot
>younger, and had a boy's voice.
Can you explain why Vincent and Cole both had the same white streak of
hair at the same location on the back of their heads?
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yak
> Can you explain why Vincent and Cole both had the same white streak of
> hair at the same location on the back of their heads?
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> Jeff Joseph. Stonecutter #59.
> E-mail/ICQ:jjo...@interlog.com
> "Putting a man on a padded [toilet] seat is like putting Evil Knievel
> on a moped" - Adam Carrolla, "The Man Show"
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if you arent smart enough to put that answer together yourself
you shouldn't even own a computer... so box it back up and take
it back
please
yak
Paul Richardson
> hair at the same location on the back of their heads?
That's easy: they don't.
anser
yelm...@aol.com (Yelmock83) wrote:
> someone want to explain how Malcolm can hear the ghost on the tape
recorder? I
> thought ghosts weren't supposed to be able to see or hear other
ghosts. I guess
> maybe it could be Malcolm hearing what he wanted to hear on the tape,
since at
anything.
Or it could be that ghosts can't see or hear other ghosts because
they're veryveryveryvery faint in appearance to each other and normally
they don't pay attention. But with the tape he does. I found myself
wondering (after the fact of course) whether a living person would have
heard the faint voices on the tape.
Remember the little white gleam or starburst thingy that Cole's mom
notices in all those pictures of him. Very faint.
> Still it's kind of a cheat, along with Malcolm being able to break the
glass at
> his wife's shop. Ghosts probably shouldn't be able to do that...
That's poltergeist stuff - fairly well known in legend, so you can
forgive them for using it here. Remember the kitchen drawers all being
pulled out, surely not by Cole in 3 seconds. And the little girl
pushing the box towards Cole.
>... since the reason
> they seek Cole's help in the first place is because they can't
interact with
> people who don't have the 6th sense.
They can't interact in the ways that relieve their pain or sorrow or
burden. There's a big difference between banging a windowpane and
soothing your widow's grief, etc...
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> >Yelmock83 wrote in message
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> >>ghost on the tape recorder? I thought ghosts weren't
> >>supposed to be able to see or hear other ghosts.
>
> manner. There is a scene early on, where Cole's mom is looking at photos of
> Cole. In each of them there is a bright little star, that looks like some kind
> of reflection in the lens. But it appears again and again. She even puts one
> long lavender fingernail on top of one of these, to show that she's wondering
> about them and bring them to the audience's attention.
>
> up, can sometimes affect physical objects, etc. I think we're supposes to
> accept that they can sometimes speak loud enough for mortals to hear them.
> This is the one point at which Shyamalan attempts to connect the movie to real
> would conclude that people do see and hear these ghosts in real life, in very
> subtle manifestations.
>
> Personally, I wish he'd allowed someone to see a ghost, just barely, like a
> floating shadow in the night.
>
>
> - Mason Barge
> "If this is coffee, please bring me some tea. If this is tea, please bring me
> some coffee." -- Abraham Lincoln
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