Overcomplicated Wild Things
Stephen Wellington
> I guess the makers of this movie just made the same mistake as the makers of
> Usual Suspect, they wrote themselves into the corner and there was no way to
> come out in any logical way.
> The film is enjoyable, but if you start to think about it too much, the story
> just doesn't make any sense.
How so? I hadn't given it much thought, but it seemed plausible if the
participants were all sociopaths or immoral greedheads.
Regards,
Steve
Petibacsi
bla...@earthlink.net
HOW doesnt it make sense?
Alex Crouvier
>
> The film is enjoyable, but if you start to think about it too much, the story
> just doesn't make any sense.
Have you seen THE BIG SLEEP? Compared to Hawks' classic WILD THINGS is
like cartton panels. Mua-hahhahahahahahahaa...
Brian John Wright
: Have you seen THE BIG SLEEP? Compared to Hawks' classic WILD THINGS is
: like cartton panels. Mua-hahhahahahahahahaa...
You don't read much, do you?
--
-Brian J. Wright
HOMER: It seems that the cat has been caught, by the very
people who were trying to catch him!
SEYMOUR: How ironic.
Petibacsi
Easy. The scene between Campbell smoking pot and Bacon is meaningless, hard
to explain knowing that Bacon was into the game.
Just when exactly he got into it?From the beginning? And why? It was not
necessary for the threesome's interest.
OK, he was one of the players. Than why he started to rock the boat AFTER the
investigation was completed and case closed? It didn't make any sense. Making
waves when they could just enjoy the money.
The playing the 2 girls against each other was good for the audience, but
senseless for the storyline. I am talking here the teethpulling/killing scene.
Why the other girl couldn't know about the fake murder? What was the point of
it?
But here is a challenge. Write a chronological timeline of the events, and
we will see if it holds up.
Eric Way
>
> Easy. The scene between Campbell smoking pot and Bacon is meaningless,
hard
>to explain knowing that Bacon was into the game.
OK, LISTEN UP, I will explain this, easily...
It all started with Suzie (Neve Campbell) getting busted. She called Sam
(Matt Dillon) and realized he wasn't where he was supposed to be and she
later uncovered his affair with Kelly (Denise Richards), thus giving her
the info to blackmail him. (THIS IS ALL SHOWN DURING THE CREDITS) She
made Sam get Ray Duquette (Kevin Bacon) into the mix, but she had Sam act
it out with Ray so that he made Ray think it was his whole idea to use
Suzie and Kelly to get Sandra's (Theresa Russell) money, when in fact it
was all Suzie's. Now, you say the scene between Suzie and Ray is
meaningless? Not so. Ray didn't know that Suzie was the mastermind and
that she was pulling the strings, he thought that he and Sam were.
> Just when exactly he got into it?From the beginning? And why? It was
not
>necessary for the threesome's interest.
See above. He was in on the scam from the getgo, but he didn't hold the
"authority" he thought he did.
> OK, he was one of the players. Than why he started to rock the boat
AFTER the
>investigation was completed and case closed? It didn't make any sense.
Making
>waves when they could just enjoy the money.
If you listen to Sam while Ray is getting dressed after his shower, you
hear him say, "Kelly wasn't supposed to die, she was only supposed to be
framed." If you think about it, the whole reason Suzie had Ray get
involved was to make sure that Kelly was framed for Suzie's death. By
doing this, A.) Suzie had one less person to share the money with, and
ultimately, kill B.) keep her own name cleared while Kelly sits in jail.
> The playing the 2 girls against each other was good for the audience,
but
>senseless for the storyline. I am talking here the teethpulling/killing
scene.
>Why the other girl couldn't know about the fake murder? What was the
point of
>it?
See above. Suzie's intentions were to frame Kelly. Suzie had to make
Kelly really believe that she was dead and that Sam really did kill her.
There would have been nothing to frame Kelly for otherwise now would
there have been?
> But here is a challenge. Write a chronological timeline of the
events, and
>we will see if it holds up.
Simple...
1. Suzie gets busted by Ray after she sees him murder Davy.
2. Suzie is released and takes nasty pics of Sam and Kelly.
3. Suzie blackmails Sam into her web.
4. Suzie has Sam recruit Ray into her web.
5. Kelly and her friend wash Sam's car.
6. Kelly accuses Sam of rape.
7. Suzie accuses Sam of rape.
8. Trial begins and ultimately Sam is free.
9. Sandra breaks Kelly's trust and pays Sam off.
10.Menage trois scene.
11.Suzie and Sam make Kelly think that she and Sam are going to have to
get rid of Suzie if she doesn't keep her mouth shut.
12.Suzie and Sam fake Suzie's death.
13.Suzie's teeth are found at the beach.
14.Sam makes Det. Gloria think that Kelly may have killed Suzie. Gloria
informs Ray that Kelly may be the criminal and not Sam.
15.Ray acts as if he is out to protect Kelly from Sam and ultimately
kills her, saying she attacked him, when in fact he murdered her in cold
blood.
16.Ray is stripped of his duties.
17.The police declare that they believe Kelly murdered Suzie.
18.Ray and Sam meet up in the Carribean to share their money.
19.Suzie kills Ray, after revealing that she faked her death and that
their intentions were to frame Kelly and that Ray must pay for that, and
the fact that he killed her friend Davy.
20.Suzie kills Sam.
T H E E N D
Eric
Eric Way
Petibacsi
about.
>Eric:
> She
>made Sam get Ray Duquette (Kevin Bacon) into the mix,
How? How could they get a criminal investigator into the scam so easily? did
they blackmail him?
>she later uncovered his affair with Kelly
She was just there in the room accidentally with a camera?
>See above. He was in on the scam from the getgo, but he didn't hold the
>"authority" he thought he did.
Why they needed a cop in the scam? I don't see the reason for that. And how
reasoned for him to get into it?
>If you think about it, the whole reason Suzie had Ray get
>involved was to make sure that Kelly was framed for Suzie's death.
So according to the original plan, how many people were supposed to survive?
Sam and Suzie only? They could have killed Kelly in an accident or so. How did
they know that Ray is going to kill Kelly? As he said, it was an accident so he
didn't exactly plan that.
>By
>doing this, A.) Suzie had one less person to share the money with,
Yes but by having Ray in the picture one more person too.
>and
>ultimately, kill B.) keep her own name cleared while Kelly sits in jail.
She was believed to be dead, so there was no reason for that.
>See above. Suzie's intentions were to frame Kelly.
I forgot, but what was the evidence against Kelly?
>There would have been nothing to frame Kelly for otherwise now would
>there have been?
Thinking about it, whose side Sam was in? Which girl he really wanted? Or
both?
>1. Suzie gets busted by Ray after she sees him murder Davy.
I don't remember again, why Ray killed Dave?
>2. Suzie is released and takes nasty pics of Sam and Kelly.
That wasn't explained (or I missed it) how she could do that.
>3. Suzie blackmails Sam into her web.
>4. Suzie has Sam recruit Ray into her web.
Again, how? Blackmailing him?
>5. Kelly and her friend wash Sam's car.
>6. Kelly accuses Sam of rape.
>7. Suzie accuses Sam of rape.
>8. Trial begins and ultimately Sam is free.
>9. Sandra breaks Kelly's trust and pays Sam off.
When Sam's lawyer got into the picture? I mean when he knows about the whole
scam? Only at the end when he helps Suzie to get the money from the bank? Or
was he in too from earlier?
>10.Menage trois scene.
>11.Suzie and Sam make Kelly think that she and Sam are going to have to
>get rid of Suzie if she doesn't keep her mouth shut.
Again, what was Sam's original intention? Which girl to stay with?
>12.Suzie and Sam fake Suzie's death.
>13.Suzie's teeth are found at the beach.
>14.Sam makes Det. Gloria think that Kelly may have killed Suzie. Gloria
>informs Ray that Kelly may be the criminal and not Sam.
>15.Ray acts as if he is out to protect Kelly from Sam and ultimately
>kills her, saying she attacked him, when in fact he murdered her in cold
>blood.
This one is also enigmatic. If Ray thinks that Sam loves the girl, killing
him is a dangerous thing without asking Ray about it before that. What if Sam
gets mad later because he loved the girl?
Also to be in a scam is one thing, to kill somebody is an other thing for a
criminal investigator. Not very plausible.
>16.Ray is stripped of his duties.
>17.The police declare that they believe Kelly murdered Suzie.
>18.Ray and Sam meet up in the Carribean to share their money.
Ray is not very carefull, hard to believe specially after killing Sam's
girlfriend.
>19.Suzie kills Ray, after revealing that she faked her death and that
>their intentions were to frame Kelly and that Ray must pay for that, and
>the fact that he killed her friend Davy.
>20.Suzie kills Sam.
> T H E E N D
Well, some things are clearer, thanks, although the role of Ray is still
problematic for me.
I don't see why he was needed for the whole
scam, specially that his killiof Kelly wasn't planed by Suzie.
Peti
>
Eric Way
>
> Thanks for making it clearer, there were a few parts what I didn't
remember
>about.
OK, easy enough...
>> She
>>made Sam get Ray Duquette (Kevin Bacon) into the mix,
>
> How? How could they get a criminal investigator into the scam so
easily? did
>they blackmail him?
He was crooked. If you remember the dialogue with Suzie's grandmother
and Gloria, the grandmother reveals that he was beating up some girl he
was dating at that motel. Suzie's friend Davy tried to stop him and Ray
killed him. Ray then busted Suzie (who was probably innocent at the
time) because she was a witness. He was crooked. At the end, you see
him coming out of the motel with that hooker, just before Sam goes into
the bar to recruit him.
> >she later uncovered his affair with Kelly
>
> She was just there in the room accidentally with a camera?
My guess is that she knew something was up and had probably noticed him
coming and going from the motel before as she lived right next to it.
She probably went in one day before he (or Kelly) got there and that's
where the pics came from.
> So according to the original plan, how many people were supposed to
survive?
>Sam and Suzie only? They could have killed Kelly in an accident or so.
How did
>they know that Ray is going to kill Kelly? As he said, it was an
accident so he
>didn't exactly plan that.
DID YOU NOT WATCH THE SCENES THAT PLAYED DURING THE CREDITS? Ray went in
and murdered Kelly in cold blood, it was NOT self defense. It's really
up in the air as to who was supposed to survive, but I am sure Suzie was
always planning on killing Ray and Sam. As for Kelly, if you'll remember,
she was only supposed to be framed for the muder of Suzie and only go to
jail. Nobody knew Ray would murder her.
>>By
>>doing this, A.) Suzie had one less person to share the money with,
>
> Yes but by having Ray in the picture one more person too.
She was never going to share the money with Ray. After all he did to her,
she was only using him and planned on killing him.
>>and
>>ultimately, kill B.) keep her own name cleared while Kelly sits in jail.
>
> She was believed to be dead, so there was no reason for that.
But with Kelly in jail, it was another less person to share the money
with. Also, there needed to be a closure on who killed Suzie and they
needed someone to pin it on, and it was pretty much either Kelly or Sam.
>>See above. Suzie's intentions were to frame Kelly.
>
> I forgot, but what was the evidence against Kelly?
>
Well, Suzie's blood was found in the back of the Range Rover that Kelly
was driving that night. Also the fact that they were seen fighting in
court, the fact that Sam gave Gloria those files (which were probably a
bunch of BS) that stated that Kelly was dangerous and attacked Suzie
before, and that pool tape that Ray made.
> Thinking about it, whose side Sam was in? Which girl he really wanted?
Or
>both?
Well, I think he honestlty wanted Kelly, BUT, he was being blackmailed by
Suzie so he really wasn't on anyone's side. He was a pawn in the whole
thing.
>>1. Suzie gets busted by Ray after she sees him murder Davy.
>
> I don't remember again, why Ray killed Dave?
Davy tried to stop Ray from beating up a waitress that Davy liked.
>>2. Suzie is released and takes nasty pics of Sam and Kelly.
>
> That wasn't explained (or I missed it) how she could do that.
Explained during the scenes that run during the credits.
>>3. Suzie blackmails Sam into her web.
>
> Again, how? Blackmailing him?
The pics of Sam ravaging Kelly.
> When Sam's lawyer got into the picture? I mean when he knows about
the whole
>scam? Only at the end when he helps Suzie to get the money from the bank?
Or
>was he in too from earlier?
I'm sure he was in on it from the beginning. Suzie probably recruited
him before anyone. He was a borkeass loser of a lawyer and of course
winning this case would propel his business and the cash would be nice,
too.
>>11.Suzie and Sam make Kelly think that she and Sam are going to have to
>>get rid of Suzie if she doesn't keep her mouth shut.
>
> Again, what was Sam's original intention? Which girl to stay with?
I am sure he wanted to be with Kelly as they were already having an
affair and she repeatedly told him how much she loved him. I don't think
Sam cared for Suzie much after she started blackmailing him.
> This one is also enigmatic. If Ray thinks that Sam loves the girl,
killing
>him is a dangerous thing without asking Ray about it before that. What
if Sam
>gets mad later because he loved the girl?
Well, Sam never said to Kelly that he loved her. He may have only been
using her for sex, but we don't know that. It really doesn't matter.
Ray's rationale was that Sam killed Suzie for being a loose end and Ray
killed Kelly, the other loose end. Ray didn't know that Suzie faked her
death.
> Also to be in a scam is one thing, to kill somebody is an other thing
for a
>criminal investigator. Not very plausible.
AGAIN, he was a crooked sonofabitch. He already murdered Davy, Suzie's
friend. He beat the girl up and he obviously didn't respect women very
much.
> I don't see why he was needed for the whole
>scam, specially that his killiof Kelly wasn't planed by Suzie.
He was needed to make sure that Kelly was framed and went to jail. Ray
took it upon himself to kill her. That shows us how cold and cruel he
really was and why Suzie hated him so much.
Eric
IrishRose
(It's been a while since I saw the film myself)
Linda
Eric Way wrote:
>
> >>HOW doesnt it make sense?
> >
> > Easy. The scene between Campbell smoking pot and Bacon is meaningless,
> hard
> >to explain knowing that Bacon was into the game.
>
> OK, LISTEN UP, I will explain this, easily...
>
> It all started with Suzie (Neve Campbell) getting busted. She called Sam
> (Matt Dillon) and realized he wasn't where he was supposed to be and she
> later uncovered his affair with Kelly (Denise Richards), thus giving her
> the info to blackmail him. (THIS IS ALL SHOWN DURING THE CREDITS) She
> made Sam get Ray Duquette (Kevin Bacon) into the mix, but she had Sam act
> it out with Ray so that he made Ray think it was his whole idea to use
> Suzie and Kelly to get Sandra's (Theresa Russell) money, when in fact it
> was all Suzie's. Now, you say the scene between Suzie and Ray is
> meaningless? Not so. Ray didn't know that Suzie was the mastermind and
> that she was pulling the strings, he thought that he and Sam were.
>
> > Just when exactly he got into it?From the beginning? And why? It was
> not
> >necessary for the threesome's interest.
>
> See above. He was in on the scam from the getgo, but he didn't hold the
> "authority" he thought he did.
>
> > OK, he was one of the players. Than why he started to rock the boat
> AFTER the
> >investigation was completed and case closed? It didn't make any sense.
> Making
> >waves when they could just enjoy the money.
>
> If you listen to Sam while Ray is getting dressed after his shower, you
> hear him say, "Kelly wasn't supposed to die, she was only supposed to be
> framed." If you think about it, the whole reason Suzie had Ray get
> involved was to make sure that Kelly was framed for Suzie's death. By
> doing this, A.) Suzie had one less person to share the money with, and
> ultimately, kill B.) keep her own name cleared while Kelly sits in jail.
>
> > The playing the 2 girls against each other was good for the audience,
> but
> >senseless for the storyline. I am talking here the teethpulling/killing
> scene.
> >Why the other girl couldn't know about the fake murder? What was the
> point of
> >it?
>
> See above. Suzie's intentions were to frame Kelly. Suzie had to make
> Kelly really believe that she was dead and that Sam really did kill her.
> There would have been nothing to frame Kelly for otherwise now would
> there have been?
>
> > But here is a challenge. Write a chronological timeline of the
> events, and
> >we will see if it holds up.
>
> Simple...
> 1. Suzie gets busted by Ray after she sees him murder Davy.
> 2. Suzie is released and takes nasty pics of Sam and Kelly.
> 3. Suzie blackmails Sam into her web.
> 4. Suzie has Sam recruit Ray into her web.
> 5. Kelly and her friend wash Sam's car.
> 6. Kelly accuses Sam of rape.
> 7. Suzie accuses Sam of rape.
> 8. Trial begins and ultimately Sam is free.
> 9. Sandra breaks Kelly's trust and pays Sam off.
> 10.Menage trois scene.
> 11.Suzie and Sam make Kelly think that she and Sam are going to have to
> get rid of Suzie if she doesn't keep her mouth shut.
> 12.Suzie and Sam fake Suzie's death.
> 13.Suzie's teeth are found at the beach.
> 14.Sam makes Det. Gloria think that Kelly may have killed Suzie. Gloria
> informs Ray that Kelly may be the criminal and not Sam.
> 15.Ray acts as if he is out to protect Kelly from Sam and ultimately
> kills her, saying she attacked him, when in fact he murdered her in cold
> blood.
> 16.Ray is stripped of his duties.
> 17.The police declare that they believe Kelly murdered Suzie.
> 18.Ray and Sam meet up in the Carribean to share their money.
> 19.Suzie kills Ray, after revealing that she faked her death and that
> their intentions were to frame Kelly and that Ray must pay for that, and
> the fact that he killed her friend Davy.
> 20.Suzie kills Sam.
> T H E E N D
>
> Eric
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for killing Davy. And his behavior was fairly predictable because Suzie
knew he was corrupt and a killer. (see above)
Petibacsi wrote:
>
> Thanks for making it clearer, there were a few parts what I didn't remember
> about.
>
> >Eric:
> > She
> >made Sam get Ray Duquette (Kevin Bacon) into the mix,
>
> How? How could they get a criminal investigator into the scam so easily? did
> they blackmail him?
>
> >she later uncovered his affair with Kelly
>
> She was just there in the room accidentally with a camera?
>
> >See above. He was in on the scam from the getgo, but he didn't hold the
> >"authority" he thought he did.
>
> Why they needed a cop in the scam? I don't see the reason for that. And how
> reasoned for him to get into it?
>
> >If you think about it, the whole reason Suzie had Ray get
> >involved was to make sure that Kelly was framed for Suzie's death.
>
> So according to the original plan, how many people were supposed to survive?
> Sam and Suzie only? They could have killed Kelly in an accident or so. How did
> they know that Ray is going to kill Kelly? As he said, it was an accident so he
> didn't exactly plan that.
>
> >By
> >doing this, A.) Suzie had one less person to share the money with,
>
> Yes but by having Ray in the picture one more person too.
>
> >and
> >ultimately, kill B.) keep her own name cleared while Kelly sits in jail.
>
> She was believed to be dead, so there was no reason for that.
>
> >See above. Suzie's intentions were to frame Kelly.
>
> I forgot, but what was the evidence against Kelly?
>
> >There would have been nothing to frame Kelly for otherwise now would
> >there have been?
>
> Thinking about it, whose side Sam was in? Which girl he really wanted? Or
> both?
>
> >1. Suzie gets busted by Ray after she sees him murder Davy.
>
> I don't remember again, why Ray killed Dave?
>
> >2. Suzie is released and takes nasty pics of Sam and Kelly.
>
> That wasn't explained (or I missed it) how she could do that.
>
> >3. Suzie blackmails Sam into her web.
> >4. Suzie has Sam recruit Ray into her web.
>
> Again, how? Blackmailing him?
>
> >5. Kelly and her friend wash Sam's car.
> >6. Kelly accuses Sam of rape.
> >7. Suzie accuses Sam of rape.
> >8. Trial begins and ultimately Sam is free.
> >9. Sandra breaks Kelly's trust and pays Sam off.
>
> When Sam's lawyer got into the picture? I mean when he knows about the whole
> scam? Only at the end when he helps Suzie to get the money from the bank? Or
> was he in too from earlier?
>
> >10.Menage trois scene.
> >11.Suzie and Sam make Kelly think that she and Sam are going to have to
> >get rid of Suzie if she doesn't keep her mouth shut.
>
> Again, what was Sam's original intention? Which girl to stay with?
>
> >12.Suzie and Sam fake Suzie's death.
> >13.Suzie's teeth are found at the beach.
> >14.Sam makes Det. Gloria think that Kelly may have killed Suzie. Gloria
> >informs Ray that Kelly may be the criminal and not Sam.
> >15.Ray acts as if he is out to protect Kelly from Sam and ultimately
> >kills her, saying she attacked him, when in fact he murdered her in cold
> >blood.
>
> This one is also enigmatic. If Ray thinks that Sam loves the girl, killing
> him is a dangerous thing without asking Ray about it before that. What if Sam
> gets mad later because he loved the girl?
>
> Also to be in a scam is one thing, to kill somebody is an other thing for a
> criminal investigator. Not very plausible.
>
> >16.Ray is stripped of his duties.
> >17.The police declare that they believe Kelly murdered Suzie.
> >18.Ray and Sam meet up in the Carribean to share their money.
>
> Ray is not very carefull, hard to believe specially after killing Sam's
> girlfriend.
>
> >19.Suzie kills Ray, after revealing that she faked her death and that
> >their intentions were to frame Kelly and that Ray must pay for that, and
> >the fact that he killed her friend Davy.
> >20.Suzie kills Sam.
> > T H E E N D
>
> Well, some things are clearer, thanks, although the role of Ray is still
> problematic for me.
>
> I don't see why he was needed for the whole
> scam, specially that his killiof Kelly wasn't planed by Suzie.
>
> Peti
>
> >
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The problem was that during the first run through, everyone acted liked
they weren't involved and were playing it straight, from Ray to Matt Dillon
to Bill Murray etc. etc. etc. Later on we find out EVERYONE is involved
except for one detective from kalamazoo mi. C'mon.
Still I liked it. Good, over the top, steamy fun trash.
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Eric Way
>
>The problem was that during the first run through, everyone acted liked
>they weren't involved and were playing it straight, from Ray to Matt
Dillon
>to Bill Murray etc. etc. etc. Later on we find out EVERYONE is
involved
>except for one detective from kalamazoo mi. C'mon.
It's true that they were all in it, BUT they were acting because most of
them didn't know others were in it.
Kelly, she only knew Sam and Suzie were in on it and she thought Sam was
the mastermind.
Sam knew Kelly, Suzie, and Ray were in on it and he knew Suzie was the
mastermind.
Ray knew Sam, Suzie, and Kelly were in on it and he thought he and Sam
were the masterminds.
Suzie knew Kelly, Sam, Ray, and Ken were all in on it because she WAS the
mastermind.
Watch the film over with everything that has been explained and watch the
scenes during the credits. It's all very plausible, especially for a
movie.
Eric
Arthur Wohlwill
>From: QBG...@prodigy.com (Eric Way)
>Subject: Re: Overcomplicated Wild Things HARDLY!
>Date: 24 Oct 1998 02:10:57 GMT
>><SPOILERS>
(snip)
>It's true that they were all in it, BUT they were acting because most of
>them didn't know others were in it.
>Kelly, she only knew Sam and Suzie were in on it and she thought Sam was
>the mastermind.
>Sam knew Kelly, Suzie, and Ray were in on it and he knew Suzie was the
>mastermind.
>Ray knew Sam, Suzie, and Kelly were in on it and he thought he and Sam
>were the masterminds.
>Suzie knew Kelly, Sam, Ray, and Ken were all in on it because she WAS the
>mastermind.
>Watch the film over with everything that has been explained and watch the
>scenes during the credits. It's all very plausible, especially for a
>movie.
Did it bother anybody (besides me) that they needed extra scenes (during the
credits) to explain what happened? It seems to me that if the filmmakers need
to do this, they really haven't thought out the film carefully. I hope that
this is not the begining of a trend. I cant think of any other examples of
movies that had extra scenes that were needed to make the plot comprehensible.
Anybody know any others?
Arthur Wohlwill adwo...@UIC.EDU
Jennifer Leigh Russell
but then around the end I felt that I should have been paying attention
and it was like someone saw Scream or I Know What You Did... and got a
"great" idea for a movie. Who was David?
Jennifer
On Tue, 20 Oct 1998, Alex Crouvier wrote:
> Petibacsi wrote:
> >
> > The film is enjoyable, but if you start to think about it too much, the story
> > just doesn't make any sense.
>
>
Kerry Allsup
> I guess the makers of this movie just made the same mistake as the makers of
>Usual Suspect, they wrote themselves into the corner and there was no way to
>come out in any logical way.
>
> The film is enjoyable, but if you start to think about it too much, the story
>just doesn't make any sense.
The one unforgivable goof was
<you should'nt be reading this if you haven't seen the movie, but I'll
be nice>
S
P
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I
L
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The TEETH. There is NO way that the coroner doesn't take one look and
say - hey, these were pulled using pliers, from a live person. End
of scam.
Still, I enjoyed it, in a goofy sort of way...
--
Kerry Allsup
Clear vision is often mistaken for cynicism by those who have not got it.
bla...@earthlink.net
wrote:
>peti...@aol.comic (Petibacsi) wrote:
>
>> I guess the makers of this movie just made the same mistake as the makers of
>>Usual Suspect, they wrote themselves into the corner and there was no way to
>>come out in any logical way.
>>
>> The film is enjoyable, but if you start to think about it too much, the story
>>just doesn't make any sense.
>
>
>The one unforgivable goof was
>
><you should'nt be reading this if you haven't seen the movie, but I'll
>be nice>
>
>S
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If someone beats you in the head with a big pipe, and your teeth fall
out, do you think your teeth came out of a dead person or a live
person? Do you think your teeth might show some trauma?
Kerry Allsup
Sure. But I would also contend that any coroner would be able to tell
the difference between teeth broken out of someone's head by a blow,
and teeth yanked out by pliers. Grooves, don't ya know. And since
this is the only part of the body they found, they're sure going to
take a close look, no?
Tony Rogers
Small potatoes. Overcomplicated? I'd say full of surprising twists and
turns.
"Wild Things" is a great movie with a great plot. I loved the way that you
find out the real course of events as the credits roll. That really threw
the audience that I was in.
Tony
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The coroner wasn't involved, because a body was never recovered because
Suzie(Neve Campbell) wasn't dead. Kevin Bacon's character, (forgot his name)
collected the evidence, and since he was also involved in the scam, the teeth
were never discussed. He may have just disposed of them on his own.
William J. Bessette
: The TEETH. There is NO way that the coroner doesn't take one look and
: say - hey, these were pulled using pliers, from a live person. End
: of scam.
If the pliers left marks, the coroner would spot them, no doubt. But
there's no guarantee that he/she would be able to identify what left them.
The scrapes could be left by just about anything. It's not like you're
analyzing rifling marks left on a bullet :)
I also don't get your comment about "from a live person."
The teeth were left there to look as though they were knocked out of a
live (but soon to be dead) person during the murder.
Bill
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William J. Bessette
: collected the evidence, and since he was also involved in the scam, the teeth
: were never discussed. He may have just disposed of them on his own.
He handed them over to an associate, who was told by a superior to "come
see me with the results".