Thin Red Line Questions
Teo Ee Ming
1. Who's the soldier who is with Witt all the time when he was AWOL?
2. What did the Japanese guy said to Dale when he was about to pull his
teeth out? Anybody who does translation?
3. What did the Japanese soldier said to Witt near the end of the film? Was
it something like "Surrender", or "Drop your gun"?
Teo Ee Ming
Michael Chen
> 3. What did the Japanese soldier said to Witt near the end of the film? Was
> it something like "Surrender", or "Drop your gun"?
I'm not very good at Japanese, but in case no-one else here answers your
question, I THINK I heard him say, "Ore-wa omae-o koroshitakunai" which means,
"I don't want to kill you."
Lorne
>I'm sorry if these questions have been asked before.
>3. What did the Japanese soldier said to Witt near the end of the film? Was
>it something like "Surrender", or "Drop your gun"?
It wasn't being said to Witt... it was directed towards the audience.
He said, "Wake up, it's almost over."
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Lorne
Last three movies seen, rated out of four:
Varsity Blues (*1/2)
Office Space (***)
October Sky (***1/2)
* To reply, remove the second "o" (between the "d" and "g").
Louis
> "Teo Ee Ming" wrote:
> >I'm sorry if these questions have been asked before.
> (snip)
> >3. What did the Japanese soldier said to Witt near the end of the film? Was
> >it something like "Surrender", or "Drop your gun"?
>
> It wasn't being said to Witt... it was directed towards the audience.
> He said, "Wake up, it's almost over."
>>>>
Guess you should have seen Antz.
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Tingli Pan
>"Teo Ee Ming" wrote:
>>I'm sorry if these questions have been asked before.
> (snip)
>>3. What did the Japanese soldier said to Witt near the end of the film? Was
>>it something like "Surrender", or "Drop your gun"?
>
>It wasn't being said to Witt... it was directed towards the audience.
>He said, "Wake up, it's almost over."
>-----
It should be. "Don't wake up. Although the battle is ended, yet the
movie is still in the middle of no where."
Louis
> On Sat, 27 Feb 1999 08:59:39 GMT, lorn...@hotmail.com (Lorne) wrote:
> >"Teo Ee Ming" wrote:
> >>I'm sorry if these questions have been asked before.
> > (snip)
> >>3. What did the Japanese soldier said to Witt near the end of the film? Was
> >>it something like "Surrender", or "Drop your gun"?
> >It wasn't being said to Witt... it was directed towards the audience.
> >He said, "Wake up, it's almost over."
> It should be. "Don't wake up. Although the battle is ended, yet the
> movie is still in the middle of no where."
>>>>
Being proud of being a stupid shit...yeah, that's the ticket.
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Reagen Sulewski
>> tl...@ibm.net (Tingli Pan) writes:
>> On Sat, 27 Feb 1999 08:59:39 GMT, lorn...@hotmail.com (Lorne) wrote:
>
>> >"Teo Ee Ming" wrote:
>> >>I'm sorry if these questions have been asked before.
>> > (snip)
>> >>3. What did the Japanese soldier said to Witt near the end of the film? Was
>> >>it something like "Surrender", or "Drop your gun"?
>
>> >It wasn't being said to Witt... it was directed towards the audience.
>> >He said, "Wake up, it's almost over."
>
>> It should be. "Don't wake up. Although the battle is ended, yet the
>> movie is still in the middle of no where."
>
>>>>>
>
>Being proud of being a stupid shit...yeah, that's the ticket.
You know, I've yet to see you even post one articulate thing in
defense of TRL, just idiot flames.
Louis
TRL doesn't need a "defense", jackoff.
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Tharsia
he meets on the hill coming back from leave, the one who has gotten a "blighty
wound" and will be going home. This means, checking against the book, that he's
Private Ash. But the characters and scenes in the book aren't as well drawn or
as much continuity as on the film -- when the friend asks him where he's
headed, it makes more sense than in the book because we know in the film that
they've already run away once.
That part is Witt's last goodbye to the world -- he has given up on the ideal
of home and family, and now his friend and fellow-fugitive is leaving, and he
goes back to the Company to die with them without any regrets.
2. A friend told me that he is asking "When will I die?" I think he also said
it in French, too, first -- because I thought I heard the Qu' -
interrogatory prefix and the final word "mort," which is death in French; my
French is really bad, but I do know that French was a <sorry> 'lingua franca'
throughout the Far East in the early part of this century.
3. I only know a few words of Japanese (the praying soldier was reciting the
plea "Namu Amida Butsu," the prayer of last resort, for example) and most of
them are from poetry studies, so I too would like to know what was said.
It looked to me as though he were first expressing surprised anger/admiration
that they'd been tricked into following only one man, and the wrong one; and
then perhaps that he was trying to tell him to drop the gun --?
Joan Barger
tha...@aol.com
--Whoever does not study history is doomed to repeat its errors.
"History is also written by the bystanders."
--Timothy Zahn
Tharsia
>
>> Well, I was going to post this privately as a friendly correction, but
>since Mr
>> Hampton has his email blocked <surprise, surprise> I have to do this
>publicly.
>
>Do you want your mail box filled with trash when you get up in the morning?
Does it occur that there might be a _reason_ when neighbors fill your yard or
box with trash?
>> Louis, you seem to have missed one of the central themes of Thin Red Line
>--
>> that _no one_, absolutely NO ONE is to be considered beyond respect and
>> compassion.
>
>After they've been bayoneted and shot.
Let's see -- there's Tall, the corrupt guardian of the law, who's allowed to
retain a certain dignity and sympathetic character; there's Charlie Dale, who
in spite of all his repugnant behavior is shown to be acting in part by a
disorder of devotion, and to be not beyond redemption; there's Dash Mihok's
hulking blond hick, whose almost inarticulate odyssey from swaggering coward to
berserker to mature soldier is quite as fascinating as any other progress in
the movie; Welsh is not a villain even though he is Witt's nemesis -- and none
of these characters is either bayoneted or shot. There are in fact NO
characters who are not granted a measure of dignity, regardless of the manner
of their dying -- the assertion that Death is universal, inevitable, and the
way to divide good from bad is _not_ by the crass terms of success, of who
lives or dies...
>> And you aren't doing the film any favors by your obstinate and unreasoning
and
>> discourteous answers, either.
>
>You actually think that these trivial little comments actually influence
>people either way?
>
Well, obviously not you. But Clausewitz declares war the _breakdown_ of
diplomacy, not that which preempts diplomatic relations.
"Peace through Strength" --and reason is the human race's greatest strength.
But without good will it is worthless.
I've succeeded in convincing at least five people to give it a chance, so far.
How many have you convinced, Mr. Hampton?
And how many have you pushed, by your intransigence, into defending their own
attitudes with equal obstinacy, through your rudeness?
Louis
> >> Well, I was going to post this privately as a friendly correction, but
> >since Mr
> >> Hampton has his email blocked <surprise, surprise> I have to do this
> >publicly.
> >Do you want your mail box filled with trash when you get up in the morning?
>
> Does it occur that there might be a _reason_ when neighbors fill your yard or
> box with trash?
They don't, and you won't.
> >> Louis, you seem to have missed one of the central themes of Thin Red Line
> >> that _no one_, absolutely NO ONE is to be considered beyond respect and
> >> compassion.
> >After they've been bayoneted and shot.
> Let's see -- there's Tall, the corrupt guardian of the law, who's allowed to
> retain a certain dignity and sympathetic character; there's Charlie Dale, who
> in spite of all his repugnant behavior is shown to be acting in part by a
> disorder of devotion, and to be not beyond redemption; there's Dash Mihok's
> hulking blond hick, whose almost inarticulate odyssey from swaggering coward to
> berserker to mature soldier is quite as fascinating as any other progress in
> the movie; Welsh is not a villain even though he is Witt's nemesis -- and none
> of these characters is either bayoneted or shot. There are in fact NO
> characters who are not granted a measure of dignity, regardless of the manner
> of their dying -- the assertion that Death is universal, inevitable, and the
> way to divide good from bad is _not_ by the crass terms of success, of who
> lives or dies...
> >> And you aren't doing the film any favors by your obstinate and unreasoning
> >> and discourteous answers, either.
> >You actually think that these trivial little comments actually influence
> >people either way?
> Well, obviously not you. But Clausewitz declares war the _breakdown_ of
> diplomacy, not that which preempts diplomatic relations.
Hah! That's a neat thought, all right. Unfortunately it has absolutely nothing
to do with reality: He who has the most weapons wins. Period.
> "Peace through Strength" --and reason is the human race's greatest strength.
> But without good will it is worthless.
> I've succeeded in convincing at least five people to give it a chance, so far.
> How many have you convinced, Mr. Hampton?
Surely you jest? As soon as a George Herbert Walker Bush convinces your
"five people" that Sodamn Insane is worse than Hitler, they'll be chomping
at the bit to bomb the crap out of Baghdad...mass psychosis (war) cannot be
intellectually wished away by good intentions - if that were the case it would
have long since disappeared...
> And how many have you pushed, by your intransigence, into defending their own
> attitudes with equal obstinacy, through your rudeness?
Have a nice day. You live in Berkeley, CA?
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Tharsia
>or
>> box with trash?
>
>They don't, and you won't.
If you'd rather carry out your debate on the public square, that's your
problem. Not mine. I could not care less. I have much more interesting people
I'd rather write to.
I used to carry a well- oiled pocketknife as well as an Xacto knife -- one in
each pocket -- because of being threatened in high school.
So no, I don't have any illusions about human nature.
But I've also read more history than most people I know, and there are a lot
more complex aspects to conquest and domination than simply the application of
force. That's why Rome and the Califs were able to make empires, for a while at
least -- while Saddam Hussein couldn't even hold onto a tiny territory. If he
had obeyed the ancient 3-day rule of the Sultans he claimed to emulate, the
Gulf War would have likely never happened, as there would have not been the
outrage of Arab neighbors. And if you don't know about the 3-Day rule, then you
need to do some research before you talk...
Do you even know where that motto "Peace through Strength" comes from?
(Hint -- not TAC or MAC)
>Have a nice day. You live in Berkeley, CA?
A good day to you also, sir. And no, I've never been closer to Berkeley than
San Diego, as far as I recall, and that was twentyodd years ago. Non-sequitur,
btw
Can't figure out for the life of me what _you_ saw in TTRL, though. Or perhaps
you're simply trolling to make people argue more fiercely against it -- that
would seem to be in keeping with your posts on this board.
Bilge Ebiri
Gensu 2000 wrote in message
<19990228022246...@ng-cb1.aol.com>...
I thought the soldier he met was
>the same soldier that he was AWOL with the first 3 or 4 times I saw it. But
>when I saw it last time, I realized that I was wrong. Look at the soldier
he
>was AWOL with. He looks nothing like Ash. It makes perfect sense that they
are
>the same person (and it is the only way to explain why they know each other
>from the finished cut we have) but I don't think they are the same guy:
they
>look different, and they talk different. When it's on home video, we can be
>sure. As I think about it, I think maybe they could be the same soldier if
the
>soldier he meets when walking has ash (forgive me) on his face, making him
look
>different. But I can't explain the voice. Any thoughts?
It's not Ash. Ash is played by Thomas Jane, who was the mustachioed porn
star in Boogie Nights. Ash's only appearance is in this scene at the end. I
don't know the name of the AWOL soldier, but the actor's name is Will
Wallace. He's the son of Eckie Wallace, which now makes him Malick's
step-son (I think)... :) We see him again as the lead stretcher-bearer,
briefly arguing w/ Staros when they're going after Pvt. Jacques. Two
different actors with blond hair.
love,
Bilge
>
>
Tingli Pan
>> reag...@hotmail.com (Reagen Sulewski) writes:
>> On Sat, 27 Feb 1999 19:42:19 GMT, Louis Ham...@xteleport.com wrote:
>
>> >Being proud of being a stupid shit...yeah, that's the ticket.
>
>> You know, I've yet to see you even post one articulate thing in
>> defense of TRL, just idiot flames.
>
>>>>>
>
>TRL doesn't need a "defense", jackoff.
>
Not such kind one.
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Reagen Sulewski
>> reag...@hotmail.com (Reagen Sulewski) writes:
>> On Sat, 27 Feb 1999 19:42:19 GMT, Louis Ham...@xteleport.com wrote:
>
>> >Being proud of being a stupid shit...yeah, that's the ticket.
>
>> You know, I've yet to see you even post one articulate thing in
>> defense of TRL, just idiot flames.
>
>>>>>
>
>TRL doesn't need a "defense", jackoff.
So then why respond in such a way to (What seems like) each and every
post which takes even a marginally negative position to the movie? It
sure seems like you're trying to defend it.
Louis
> On Sat, 27 Feb 1999 21:12:17 GMT, Louis Ham...@xteleport.com wrote:
> >> On Sat, 27 Feb 1999 19:42:19 GMT, Louis Ham...@xteleport.com wrote:
> >TRL doesn't need a "defense", jackoff.
> So then why respond in such a way to (What seems like) each and every
> post which takes even a marginally negative position to the movie? It
> sure seems like you're trying to defend it.
>>>>
I get oral sex from Hillary Clinton every time I respond to an even vaguely
negative TRL post...and you?
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Gensu 2000
who
he meets on the hill coming back from leave, the one who has gotten a "blighty
wound" and will be going home. This means, checking against the book, that he's
Private Ash. But the characters and scenes in the book aren't as well drawn or
as much continuity as on the film -- when the friend asks him where he's
headed, it makes more sense than in the book because we know in the film that
they've already run away once.>>
Tharsia
Hampton has his email blocked <surprise, surprise> I have to do this publicly.
Louis, you seem to have missed one of the central themes of Thin Red Line --
that _no one_, absolutely NO ONE is to be considered beyond respect and
compassion.
And you aren't doing the film any favors by your obstinate and unreasoning and
discourteous answers, either.
Louis
> Well, I was going to post this privately as a friendly correction, but since Mr
> Hampton has his email blocked <surprise, surprise> I have to do this publicly.
Do you want your mail box filled with trash when you get up in the morning?
> Louis, you seem to have missed one of the central themes of Thin Red Line --
> that _no one_, absolutely NO ONE is to be considered beyond respect and
> compassion.
After they've been bayoneted and shot.
> And you aren't doing the film any favors by your obstinate and unreasoning and
> discourteous answers, either.
You actually think that these trivial little comments actually influence people
either way?
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Tharsia
>the same soldier that he was AWOL with the first 3 or 4 times I saw it. But
>when I saw it last time, I realized that I was wrong. Look at the soldier he
>was AWOL with. He looks nothing like Ash. It makes perfect sense that they
>are
>the same person (and it is the only way to explain why they know each other
>from the finished cut we have) but I don't think they are the same guy: they
>look different, and they talk different. When it's on home video, we can be
>sure. As I think about it, I think maybe they could be the same soldier if
>the
>soldier he meets when walking has ash (forgive me) on his face, making him
>look
>different. But I can't explain the voice. Any thoughts?
"You can call me anything except late for dinner" ;-)
Well, I guess I'll have to take a look again. (sheesh, what a hardship!) I have
drawn portraits and done some singing, so I have some semi-obscure "keys" to
use for checking faces and voices as long as I remember, though it's hard when
the scenes are so far apart.
That was one (just one) of the reasons I never had any trouble telling Witt
and Bell apart-- they have bone structures nothing like each other -- the
angles of the maxillary bones and the dental planes are utterly different, even
if they both do have dark hair and "southern" accents; though blue vs brown
eyes is also a dead giveaway -- Gee, I wonder how all those Italians tell each
other apart...? <g>
(Not every southern accent is the same, I doubt I need to tell you, but maybe
one needs to come from the south to get that...?)
Lorne
>> lorn...@hotmail.com (Lorne) writes:
>> "Teo Ee Ming" wrote:
>
>> >I'm sorry if these questions have been asked before.
>> (snip)
>> >3. What did the Japanese soldier said to Witt near the end of the film? Was
>> >it something like "Surrender", or "Drop your gun"?
>>
>> It wasn't being said to Witt... it was directed towards the audience.
>> He said, "Wake up, it's almost over."
>
I'd seen it already. It just missed a spot on my Ten Best list, too.
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