Tom Cruise, no eye contact clause?
Jacob Oost
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> this can't be serious.
It is serious, but this is hardly the first movie that he's had the "no
eye-contact" clause. And he's not the only star to demand it. There are a
handful of other A-list stars that get that perk in their contract. It's
becoming a trend.
Jim
Well, he's still trying to get over the bad experience he had when he forgot
to get that French wrestler to sign a no butt contact clause.
Trent
wrote:
>What is he, the love child of Medusa and Zeus?
What do you mean "no eye contact"? People working on a movie can't
look him in the eyes?
Jim
That's right. Apparently, more and more stars feel like it's an invasion of
their privacy when too many people look them in the eye. I can almost see
the sense of it. When you're famous, anybody and everybody will assume they
just know you. Not that I've ever had to deal with that, but it must get
tiring.
W. Long
For the love of my playstation's bi-sexual lover! You've got to be kidding me.
WIth the money that "we the working people "contirbute to these brats, now
the common man can't look them in the eyes? And to think teachers barely make
$35,000 a year. The crew must love him on the set.
rande...@aol.com
wrote:
>Trent wrote:
>> On Thu, 02 Jan 2003 19:56:38 GMT, Jacob Oost <zo...@insight.rr.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>What is he, the love child of Medusa and Zeus?
>>
>> What do you mean "no eye contact"? People working on a movie can't
>> look him in the eyes?
>
>That's right. Apparently, more and more stars feel like it's an invasion of
>their privacy when too many people look them in the eye.
More like they are afraid people might see the glint of Scientologist
insanity there.
-Rich
Jacob Oost
> >
> >Trent wrote:
> >> On Thu, 02 Jan 2003 19:56:38 GMT, Jacob Oost <zo...@insight.rr.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>>What is he, the love child of Medusa and Zeus?
> >>
> >> What do you mean "no eye contact"? People working on a movie can't
> >> look him in the eyes?
> >
> >That's right. Apparently, more and more stars feel like it's an invasion
> >of their privacy when too many people look them in the eye. I can almost
> >see the sense of it. When you're famous, anybody and everybody will
> >assume they just know you. Not that I've ever had to deal with that, but
> >it must get tiring.
> >
>
> For the love of my playstation's bi-sexual lover!
Juh?
You've got to be
> kidding me.
> WIth the money that "we the working people "contirbute to these brats,
> now
> the common man can't look them in the eyes? And to think teachers barely
> make
> $35,000 a year. The crew must love him on the set.
>
I remember hearing that tabloids had reported this during the making of the
first movie he made after Eyes Wide Shut, and I didn't believe it then, but
now it's being reported in "reputable" press.
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>> >That's right. Apparently, more and more stars feel like it's an invasion
>> >of their privacy when too many people look them in the eye. I can almost
>> >see the sense of it. When you're famous, anybody and everybody will
>> >assume they just know you. Not that I've ever had to deal with that, but
>> >it must get tiring.
Reportedly, Diana Ross feels the same way and her crew is explicitly
instructed not to even look at her . Not sure if its contractual (like
she ever honors contracts?). Nowadays, she'd be lucky to get a second
glance riding the subway.
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JerryD
In case they're minions of Xenu, or something, probably.
Giftzwerg
> Reportedly, Diana Ross feels the same way and her crew is explicitly
> instructed not to even look at her . Not sure if its contractual (like
> she ever honors contracts?). Nowadays, she'd be lucky to get a second
> glance riding the subway.
>
> Love child, always second best. Love child, different from the rest.
Except, apparently, where a DUI rap is involved, then it's, "Love child,
finds her ass in jail. Love child, better scrape up bail."
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Jim <jcph...@SPAMmindspring.com> wrote:
>That's right. Apparently, more and more stars feel like it's an invasion of
>their privacy when too many people look them in the eye. I can almost see
>the sense of it. When you're famous, anybody and everybody will assume they
>just know you. Not that I've ever had to deal with that, but it must get
>tiring.
I'm reminded of the Dinea; a man will generally not look you in the eyes
unless he thinks you're lying.
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Giftzwerg
jcph...@SPAMmindspring.com says...
> >>What is he, the love child of Medusa and Zeus?
> >
> > What do you mean "no eye contact"? People working on a movie can't
> > look him in the eyes?
>
> That's right. Apparently, more and more stars feel like it's an invasion of
> their privacy when too many people look them in the eye. I can almost see
> the sense of it. When you're famous, anybody and everybody will assume they
> just know you. Not that I've ever had to deal with that, but it must get
> tiring.
My God! People automatically feeling a friendly bond with you!
Ugh, imagine all the things our stars have to put up with in return for
a measly $20 million dollars per picture.
Kenneth Crudup
"Icebreaker" <the_artist_forme...@yahoo.com> says:
>It is serious, but this is hardly the first movie that he's had the "no
>eye-contact" clause. And he's not the only star to demand it. There are a
>handful of other A-list stars that get that perk in their contract. It's
>becoming a trend.
What a bunch of *pussies*!
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>From: Jacob Oost zo...@insight.rr.com
explain please ?? no eye contact where??? when ?? and your source ??
Trent
wrote:
>In article <CN6R9.1254$dC....@tornadotest1.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
>Jim <jcph...@SPAMmindspring.com> wrote:
>>That's right. Apparently, more and more stars feel like it's an invasion of
>>their privacy when too many people look them in the eye. I can almost see
>>the sense of it. When you're famous, anybody and everybody will assume they
>>just know you. Not that I've ever had to deal with that, but it must get
>>tiring.
>
>I'm reminded of the Dinea; a man will generally not look you in the eyes
>unless he thinks you're lying.
And acting is just lying. So people must try to look into Cruise's
eyes a lot!
dudester
> In article <3e15aab...@netnews.attbi.com>, gsl...@attbi.com says...
>
>
>>Reportedly, Diana Ross feels the same way and her crew is explicitly
>>instructed not to even look at her . Not sure if its contractual (like
>>she ever honors contracts?). Nowadays, she'd be lucky to get a second
>>glance riding the subway.
>>
>>Love child, always second best. Love child, different from the rest.
>
>
> Except, apparently, where a DUI rap is involved, then it's, "Love child,
> finds her ass in jail. Love child, better scrape up bail."
>
She, unlike you, could never get convicted of anything. I guess that's
why celebrities piss on the little people. The little people are
consumed with jealousy.
dudester
> I could go to that set with no fear, then, because I couldn't look
> Tomidget Cruise in the eyes if I wanted. They'd be too far below my line
> of sight. The same goes for 90% of humans over the age of 12, who are
> free from any diseases that cause one to stop growing. And since in my
> case his eyes would be below my beltline, too, if he looked straight
> up, I *might* be able to look right in them. And do something else right
> in them, too.
Are you suggesting that you'd like to engage in gay sex with Tom?
Are you a fag?
dudester
> Jacob Oost <zo...@insight.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
>>>I remember hearing that tabloids had reported this during the making of the
>>>first movie he made after Eyes Wide Shut, and I didn't believe it then, but
>>>now it's being reported in "reputable" press.
>>
>
> not wanting the movie set plebes to set their unworthy eyes upon him...
>
I don't blame him. Those gritty stage hands always want to bond with
the big stars. Who has time for that shit? All they have to do is get
his coffee and condoms.
Josh_Gilchrist
Years ago I was an extra in "Far And Away." Don't try renting it to
see me because I am nothing more than a blur behind Nicole in the
chicken factory scene. Both Tom and Nicole had similar rules back
then. You could not talk to them or bother them in any way. Although I
have heard horror stories of what Tom did while he was here, I felt he
was much friendlier than Nicole.
A funny thing happened in fact. I came back from a lunch break and
they had moved the camera. Ron Howard told us all to look at the
camera and me, being the dumb kid I was back then, did not know where
they moved it to. LOL I started to get a look of panic on my face.
Then I hear this whistle behind me and it's Tom Cruise pointing to
where the camera is now. He just laughed and said hello to me. He also
gave me an autograph, two in fact. I was not allowed to get autographs
of Nicole or Ron Howard.
rande...@aol.com
Anyone: "I'm averting my eyes, lord"
Jacob Oost
> Cruise: "What are you doing??"
> Anyone: "I'm averting my eyes, lord"
>
>
Well don't! It's like that miserable Mission: Impossible movie, it's *so*
depressing(ly bad....).
Rick S.
"K. Smith" <kas...@uselessspamaccess1.net> wrote
> "Interview with the Vampire" was the first I heard of Mighty Mouse Tommy
> not wanting the movie set plebes to set their unworthy eyes upon him...
I heard this story once about Tom Cruise being on the David
Letterman show...
He starts talking about when he was "Hoffman", and Letterman
stops him by saying: "way, way, wait a minute. Do you mean
*Dustin* Hoffman ????"
And then a few minutes later the guy starts talking about when
he was working with "Newman", and Letterman stops him by
saying: "way, way, wait a minute. Do you mean *Paul*
Newman ????"
Somebody like Tom Hanks is probably a very intelligent guy,
in his own way, but Tom Cruise is a major league buffoon.
And he always plays the same character. "a young cocky fighter
pilot", "a young cocky lawyer", "a young cocky professional
sports agent"... "a young cocky... " et cetera.
One can only feel compassion for him over the fact that he is an
actor that can't act. If he could really "act", he could play roles
other than himself.
The guy is just a stupid two-bit prick and this clause in his contract is
just more evidence of that.
John R. Rybock
And reputable press recently printed a month old gossip story that Ian McKellan would play
Dumbledore in Harry Potter... that turned out to be false.
Just read a book on the history of hoaxes a friend gave me for Christmas, and there are plenty of
times where the "mainstream" media ends up reprinting unsubstantiated stuff from lesser sources.
I'll wait for The Smoking Gun to get a copy of one of these contracts. Until then, I figure it
starts with one thing (perhaps, no staring or asking for autographs by the crew) but gets
exageratted (no eyecontact by anyone). That's the usual trend on these legends.
Clayton Development Corp
'glacial water' on set usually empties his bladder in it first.
I have seen actors who have these 'no eye contact' clauses and after 24
years working in films the only thing I can say is I have seen some pretty
disgusting things done (without them knowing it) to actors such as Tom
Cruise, Nic Cage, Arny and Alyssa Milano....as a matter of fact, when I
worked for Shavick Entertainment in Vancouver on "Deadly Sins" Milano was so
rude to the stunt coordinator by DEMANDING he not look her in the eyes and
that he get her something from the craft services table on his next trip
past her that he disappeared for nearly fifteen minutes, only to return with
a hot dog. Only two people on the crew knew it but (Darrell) had taken the
hotdog with him to the washroom, hollowed it out with a pen and filled it
with......well....use your imaginations but next time you see her on set and
someone tells her to eat shi* you can grin knowing she has truly 'been
there, done that'.
And THAT is what attitude gets these actors.
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Emanuel Brown
playing an extra on a film was mildly reprimanded for passing him on
the set and, like about a million people do every day, making eye
contact and saying "Hey." In that story the person said there was no
tantrum, threats of firing, or anything acrimonious - they were just
told that crew doesn't make eye contact with or speak to Bruce,
period.
Over the years, it's come up more and more.
Emanuel
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> On the other hand maybe people could start looking at Tom with Chinese
eyes!
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scojo
> "Roseanne Rosannadana" <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote in
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> > On the other hand maybe people could start looking at Tom with Chinese
> eyes!
>
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is denying our basic human right to look at people. It's so absurd.
How can you enforce such a clause? You, yes you, you moved your
eyeball! Only in mad Hollywood would they come up with this lunacy.
Assuming it's true of course.
Of course the irony of it all isn't lost on me. Tom Cruise has craved
fame since he became an actor. He wants people to go and see his
films. Last time I checked, most people see films with their eyes.
It's okay to see him on film but not on set? Right Tom, that makes
sense.:P
If he doesn't want people to look at him, perhaps we should respect
his feelings and not see his films.
What a hypocrite.
scojo
Nashboi
Ok, I give up. What the hell is the purpose behind a "no eye contact"
clause. I've tried to figure it out on my own and have failed!
Nash
Giftzwerg
mfel...@hotmail.com says...
> Ok, I give up. What the hell is the purpose behind a "no eye contact"
> clause. I've tried to figure it out on my own and have failed!
The purpose? To rectify the flaw in the structure of the universe which
allows ordinary people to look directly at "stars" without being
instantly turned into a pillars of fire.
Can't have the commoners looking right at one, old boy.
John Pierce Guyllenhaal
"Giftzwerg" <gift...@NOSPAMZ.dwp.net> wrote in message
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> In article <iobj1vo3hg2vv3pg2...@4ax.com>,
> mfel...@hotmail.com says...
>
> > Ok, I give up. What the hell is the purpose behind a "no eye contact"
> > clause. I've tried to figure it out on my own and have failed!
>
> The purpose? To rectify the flaw in the structure of the universe which
> allows ordinary people to look directly at "stars" without being
> instantly turned into a pillars of fire.
>
> Can't have the commoners looking right at one, old boy.
It's a particularly odd clause given the fact that the vast majority of
people on any given set would have to stoop down uncomfortably low in order
to make eye contact with the formidable Mr. Cruise.
Bob
Giftzwerg wrote:
> In article <iobj1vo3hg2vv3pg2...@4ax.com>,
> mfel...@hotmail.com says...
>
> > Ok, I give up. What the hell is the purpose behind a "no eye contact"
> > clause. I've tried to figure it out on my own and have failed!
>
> The purpose? To rectify the flaw in the structure of the universe which
> allows ordinary people to look directly at "stars" without being
> instantly turned into a pillars of fire.
>
> Can't have the commoners looking right at one, old boy.
>
How times have changed. When I was 14, the movie "A Place in the Sun" was
being filmed in our neighborhood. A bunch of us schoolkids stopped to
look. Elizabeth Taylor walked about 50 yards or so to come over and talk to
us. ( Incredible beauty, then, when she was 17 ). Somehow, I cannot see
Mr. Cruise doing the same. Nor can I ever see him reaching the heights of
stardom that she did.
Bob
patti
have ever read!! you folks are quick!
the whole thing reminds me a little of a female pal i had years
ago--alright she is no celebrity but she looked like julie newmar did
when she was really young (a charming face and a hot bod to go with
it) well here in portland oregon--cow town moo moo--whenever we went
anywhere men just ogled her--it was a little ridiculous but in a way
who could blame them?? women in pdx --well---anyhow--she really did
very little to look this appealing (she did not wear low blouses etc)
and finally one day she just hit the roof!! we are eating turkey
sandwiches at a downtown deli when she starts yelling "what the f**k
are YOU looking at you old asshole???????" (spitting turkey sandwich
all over me) i look over and here is this sheepish little man (about
62) at the next table hanging his head like a little boy..
i asked her what the hell was that about?? her answer--"why does
anyone think they have the RIGHT to stare at ME when they don't even
know me!!! "
i sort of get that but twas sad.
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> >What is he, the love child of Medusa and Zeus?
>
> Well first off, Tom Cruise isn't such a tall man after all.
> He.......a very, very, very teeeeny tiny man. <hehehehehehehe>
> Secondly, He can never play a "Shakesperean" character.
> Lastly, the no eye contact clause is a result of the opposing actor
> be able to confront the "no eye" player...and silently say, "I am stronger
than
> you."
> Finally, In ancient theatre the ability to not look your player in the
eyes has
> a symbolic gesture that you are a repressed homosexual?
> I think!
>
> On the other hand maybe people could start looking at Tom with Chinese
eyes!
>
> Ciao!
>
Bob
"R. Coyote" wrote:
> Yul Brynner gave the same standing orders for the The King And I tour
Could it be that it makes an actor break character? Could there be a logical
explanation for this, beyond ego?
Any actors out there that might shed some light on this? I am not an actor, so
I really do not know.
Bob
Frost
Staring is one thing, admiring is another. I hope she could tell the
difference between the two.
Giftzwerg
says...
> It's a particularly odd clause given the fact that the vast majority of
> people on any given set would have to stoop down uncomfortably low in order
> to make eye contact with the formidable Mr. Cruise.
Better yet, just don't look down at *any* dwarves.
Giftzwerg
says...
> > Yul Brynner gave the same standing orders for the The King And I tour
>
> Could it be that it makes an actor break character? Could there be a logical
> explanation for this, beyond ego?
Feh. I could - maybe - believe this about Al Pacino. But *Tom Cruise*?
The guy's whole acting schtick involves grinning and smirking - he can't
do that shit and chew gum at the same time?
Nashboi
wrote:
A friend of mine was on the aircraft carrier that was used for "Top
Gun" and said that Tom was a neat guy and was, ahem, just one of the
guys! Of course, that was when he was young and on the way up.
Things can change.
Nash
Bob
Giftzwerg wrote:
> In article <3E1A87F6...@ix.netcom.com>, chil...@ix.netcom.com
> says...
>
> > > Yul Brynner gave the same standing orders for the The King And I tour
> >
> > Could it be that it makes an actor break character? Could there be a logical
> > explanation for this, beyond ego?
>
> Feh. I could - maybe - believe this about Al Pacino. But *Tom Cruise*?
> The guy's whole acting schtick involves grinning and smirking - he can't
> do that shit and chew gum at the same time?
I can understand your comment about T. Cruise, but I was thinking about other
actors who were mentioned that did the same thing. Could it be that eye contact
breaks an actors concentration on being in character? Could it be a valid thing
for an actor? That's why I asked if there were any actors out there who could
comment upon this. I am not an actor. I do not know.
Bob
Bill
Bob wrote:
> I can understand your comment about T. Cruise, but I was thinking about other
> actors who were mentioned that did the same thing. Could it be that eye contact
> breaks an actors concentration on being in character? Could it be a valid thing
> for an actor? That's why I asked if there were any actors out there who could
> comment upon this. I am not an actor. I do not know.
> Bob
If this is indeed Cruise's preference consider it a personal fluke.
That he might make it a contractual condition is an indication of his
star power. That fellow actors might put up with such unconventional
behavior (and keep their mouths shut) means that they want to protect
their future marketability.
The irony about Cruise is that one of his better than average acting
gigs was in RAINMAKER, in which his co-star, Dustin Hoffman (whose
character suffered from autism) avoided ALL eye contact (except for a
brief side glance in the final scene. Hmmmm, maybe that's where Cruise
learned the behavior.
Look, we've all encountered people who for reasons of insecurity avoid
eye contact. It makes me uncomfortable, but I've also learned a trick
(from one of my acting coaches, Bobby Lewis) about how to alter the
behavior of of most people who are evasive in connecting. When speaking
to the individual, stop in the middle of a sentence, and hold the
thought. Sooner or later, that person will glance at you to see what's
holding up your thought. Then smile (positive reinforcement) and finish
your thought. Repeat this pattern often enough and it make work like
Pavlovian conditioning, encouraging this introverted person to feel more
comfortable with eye contact.
I mentioned that I had learned this approach from Bobby Lewis, one of
the most famous acting coaches in the USA. He taught a technique called
"talking and listening" which REQUIRES eye contact when you are reading
a two person scene from a script. The actor glances at the script for a
line or text and then delivers the line with full eye contact. Your
scene partner must maintain eye contact with you while your are talking.
When you have finished your cue line, the scene partner responds in
similar fashion.
The technique requires some practice, but once learned, the actors tend
to discover some major benefits. Your concentration (think of
concentration as a brain "muscle" which "grows" with daily exercise)
improves. (And as your concentration improves, you can learn dialogue
scenes (text -- your lines and the other actor's lines; AND action) much
more efficiently. You learn that what you say (as character) is more
meaningful because you are "connecting" with your partner (the other
character in the scene.) You improve your listening skills, because you
are listening and reacting (via eye contact) to the other actor's
reactions.
An actor who avoids eye contact is typically self-centered, and more
concerned with "acting out" his character, than forming a relationship
with other actors. He/she does not know the concept of ensemble.
Break a leg,
Bill
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"Bob" <chil...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> "R. Coyote" wrote:
>
> > Yul Brynner gave the same standing orders for the The King And I tour
>
> Could it be that it makes an actor break character? Could there be a
logical
> explanation for this, beyond ego?
> Any actors out there that might shed some light on this? I am not an
actor, so
> I really do not know.
> Bob
>
Nope there is a such a thing as keeping an eyeline clear. The area in which
an actor is supposed to look should be clear of any distractions during
filming. But the actors I've worked with that needed to remain in character
between setups would just go back to their trailer and not have any contact
with the crew. People could look at them just not bother them.
Evan
Roundtable
This entire thread has been very informative - and funny.
I didn't know anyone had such a wierd clause in their contract. I find
it extremely odd, because on a movie set one can safely presume that
98 percent of cast and crew are professionals, and will hardly gape
and gawk and scream like teens at a Beatle's concert when Tom Cruise
or Alyssa Milano come out of their dressing room/trailer. More likely,
they'll be busy thinking about their job!
I can understand that stars hate being stared at all the time when
off the set - like, I live in this small town and have worked on stage
and in some TV stuff - bit parts! - and so sometimes when I sat in a
restaurant people would stare and as many actors are often shy when
not in costume and actually performing, it can be a bit strange.
It would bug me if people came up to me for autographs all the time,
especially when I'm trying to eat or go shopping or something. So
far this has not happened. (Sigh...)
But on a movie set?!!
Is that really true about Milano's hot dog being filled with excrement?
That's a really mean thing to do, and could poison a person. I think
people who stick out somehow - who are famous or special or something -
are often hassled and mobbed and have mean things done to them, simply
out of envy. It can happen to you in school, in the office, everywhere.
But I still don't understand why stars would want a "no eye contact"
clause from the CREW. Poor stars, some of them really do need shrinks,
don't they!
Roundtable
Bob
Your answers were clear and to the point.
Tom Cruise has too damn much ego.
Bob
R. Coyote
"Bob" <chil...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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Perhaps, but who really cares?
If Tom thinks he needs a so called big ego its none of my business.
I wouldn't mess with Alyssa though, she might vAnquish me ~`*pOoF**~..
patti
That's a really mean thing to do, and could poison a person.>>
i felt the same about this!! good lord!!
dan.
eyes downward, why not look ABOVE and OVER him (like OJ lawyer Robert
Shapiro did when doing press conferences)? Think that would piss him off?
The milano hotdog story was great.
dan
"Clayton Development Corp" <canamer...@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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> That clause in his contract is why the 'grunt' that hands him his bottle
of
> 'glacial water' on set usually empties his bladder in it first.
> I have seen actors who have these 'no eye contact' clauses and after 24
> years working in films the only thing I can say is I have seen some pretty
> disgusting things done (without them knowing it) to actors such as Tom
> Cruise, Nic Cage, Arny and Alyssa Milano....as a matter of fact, when I
> worked for Shavick Entertainment in Vancouver on "Deadly Sins" Milano was
so
> rude to the stunt coordinator by DEMANDING he not look her in the eyes and
> that he get her something from the craft services table on his next trip
> past her that he disappeared for nearly fifteen minutes, only to return
with
> a hot dog. Only two people on the crew knew it but (Darrell) had taken the
> hotdog with him to the washroom, hollowed it out with a pen and filled it
> with......well....use your imaginations but next time you see her on set
and
> someone tells her to eat shi* you can grin knowing she has truly 'been
> there, done that'.
> And THAT is what attitude gets these actors.
>
> "John R. Rybock" <ryb...@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:q7da1v0ho7av67b5p...@4ax.com...
> > On Fri, 03 Jan 2003 06:31:22 GMT, Jacob Oost <zo...@insight.rr.com>
wrote:
> >
> > >W. Long wrote:
> > >
> > >> >
> > >> >Trent wrote:
> > >> >> On Thu, 02 Jan 2003 19:56:38 GMT, Jacob Oost <zo...@insight.rr.com>
> > >> >> wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >>>What is he, the love child of Medusa and Zeus?
> > >> >>
dafujama
http://www.newsmax.com/showinside.shtml?a=2001/1/22/111821
Check #4 on this URL:
http://www.kingweb.net/bs_mil.htm
...but Babs denies it...
http://www.lvrj.com/lvrj_home/2000/Jan-26-Wed-2000/news/12813567.html
G Bell
>I've read that both Streisand and Hillary Clinton have 'no eye-contact' clauses.
Does he have to sign a "No Eye-Navel" clause; idiotic little short-arse!
Graham
Bill
>
> The topic would make a worth doctoral dissertation.
Interestingly enough, it has been done, though not (to my knowledge) as
a dissertation in theatre or acting dynamics. I once took a class with
Ray Birdwhistell, author of "Kinesics and Context." Kinesics is the
study of body language (drawn from principals and research techniques of
cultural anthrophology, sociology and psychology). As Stanislavski guy
(courtesy of my mentors, Bobby Lewis and Stella Adler), I've been
incorporating Kinesics into my acting technique for years. Every action
counts.... every gesture, every posture, one's use of space and touch
must be used purposefully. And, of course, all facial expression matters.
>>Look, we've all encountered people who for reasons of insecurity avoid
>>eye contact. It makes me uncomfortable, but I've also learned a trick
>>(from one of my acting coaches, Bobby Lewis) about how to alter the
>>behavior of of most people who are evasive in connecting. When speaking
>>to the individual, stop in the middle of a sentence, and hold the
>>thought. Sooner or later, that person will glance at you to see what's
>>holding up your thought. Then smile (positive reinforcement) and finish
>>your thought. Repeat this pattern often enough and it make work like
>>Pavlovian conditioning, encouraging this introverted person to feel more
>>comfortable with eye contact.
> A brilliant idea! I like the idea...as long it doesn't detract from the persona
> of the character. In NLP...this is called a "pattern interrupt." A valuable
> rapport tool in easing bizzare situations.
Excellent point, "Roseanne". Yes, the technique can be invasive if used
strictly for manipulative purposes. (And as quantum physics teachers us,
the "thing" observed is changed.) I came across an acting coach who used
NLP as his principal training technique. Actors who took his class
commented to me that the devices did help them overcome stage fright and
increase their concentration and communication skills. Alas, the
coach was not equipped with techniques or methodologies of acting in
the areas of character development and emotional transformation. But
his actors generally felt and looked very grounded.
> Eye contact is very important. It seems to me that CGI is vainly trying to
> emulate
> the "Eye"...it is very difficult. Character Voice actors take note of the above.
You've lost me on CGI, unless you are talking about computer graphics
and animation. (And I am a VO actor.)
> Was Cruise ever Shakespearean trained?
> If I were a casting director I would make "Cruise cry on cue!"
I sincerely doubt it. His prose delivery is flatter than a pancake and
he tends to generalize attitudes while demonstrating little sensitivity
to language and syntax. I am Shakespeare trained (Cicely Berry of the
RSC was my mentor.... take a peak at my website which includes a chapter
on verse acting). And I'd love to see someone like Cruise take a class
or two is classical acting. Who knows, he might decide to follow in the
footsteps of Mel Gibson (who was classically trained, yet gave us his
vain attempt a Hamlet which has more Mad Max than the Prince of Denmark.)
Boy, we've really done a number on ol' Tom. Maybe one day, he will grow
and mature into a fine actor, like Paul Newman. (Film critics in the
50s and early 60s liked Newman as much as they do Cruise in the 80s and
90s.)
Break a leg,
Bill
(and thanks for your comments)
Bill
>
> The topic would make a worth doctoral dissertation.
Interestingly enough, it has been done, though not (to my knowledge) as
a dissertation in theatre or acting dynamics. I once took a class with
Ray Birdwhistell, author of "Kinesics and Context." Kinesics is the
study of body language (drawn from principals and research techniques of
cultural anthrophology, sociology and psychology). As Stanislavski guy
(courtesy of my mentors, Bobby Lewis and Stella Adler), I've been
incorporating Kinesics into my acting technique for years. Every action
counts.... every gesture, every posture, one's use of space and touch
must be used purposefully. And, of course, all facial expression matters.
>>Look, we've all encountered people who for reasons of insecurity avoid
>>eye contact. It makes me uncomfortable, but I've also learned a trick
>>(from one of my acting coaches, Bobby Lewis) about how to alter the
>>behavior of of most people who are evasive in connecting. When speaking
>>to the individual, stop in the middle of a sentence, and hold the
>>thought. Sooner or later, that person will glance at you to see what's
>>holding up your thought. Then smile (positive reinforcement) and finish
>>your thought. Repeat this pattern often enough and it make work like
>>Pavlovian conditioning, encouraging this introverted person to feel more
>>comfortable with eye contact.
> A brilliant idea! I like the idea...as long it doesn't detract from the persona
Break a leg,
Bill
Bill
Bob
"R. Coyote" wrote:
> "Bob" <chil...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
> news:3E1B5422...@ix.netcom.com...
> > Thank you, Bill and Evander.
> > Your answers were clear and to the point.
> > Tom Cruise has too damn much ego.
> > Bob
> >
>
> Perhaps, but who really cares?
>
>
Based on the responses, more than you.
I mean, if you don't care, why did you bother to read the thread and
respond?
Bob
steve
but no problem at all with millions watching him try to act in all those
crappy movies he's in. you'd think that would be much more difficult to
take.
"dan." <televi...@att.net> wrote in message
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Bob
dafujama wrote:
> I've read that both Streisand and Hillary Clinton have 'no eye-contact' clauses.
>
What the hell contract would Hillary Clinton have that such a clause would be
needed?
Bob
Giftzwerg
dafu...@mail.com says...
> I've read that both Streisand and Hillary Clinton have 'no eye-contact' clauses.
Not that either of these two hideous sloans need offer any incentive to
look elsewhere (anywhere!) when they're about. I'd sooner stare at an
oozing pustule than make eye contact with Hitlery Clinton.
--
Giftzwerg
***
But more revealing of the mindset of today's left is
[Joan] Didion's belief that somehow open discussion
has been curtailed, censored or chilled after 9/11 by
a cadre of right-wing bullies. This is simply hooey.
The First Amendment still exists. Those legions of
leftists who occupy such establishment heights at most
American university faculties and the nation's newsrooms
and editorial boards, not to speak of the hyper-liberal
foundations, can still say whatever they think. But these days,
they've actually got to endure criticism, opposition and
occasionally ridicule as a consequence. They don't like this.
They're used to writing their opinions to universal applause,
prizes, sinecures and pliant reviews. Sorry to spoil the
party, Joan. But debate in wartime is often a tough and
grueling experience. Stop whining and start arguing."
- Andrew Sullivan
dafujama
case. How about 'strict orders' as from the NewsMax article or
'conditions for an interview'.
The point is her mindset is apparently the same as Cruise and
Streisand. Maybe it's a liberal thing.
R. Coyote
I found it interesting for other reasons
is there any other behavior you would like me to justify?
Bob
Giftzwerg wrote:
> In article <b49b15d3.03010...@posting.google.com>,
> dafu...@mail.com says...
>
> > I've read that both Streisand and Hillary Clinton have 'no eye-contact' clauses.
>
> Not that either of these two hideous sloans need offer any incentive to
> look elsewhere (anywhere!) when they're about. I'd sooner stare at an
> oozing pustule than make eye contact with Hitlery Clinton.
>
> --
> Giftzwerg
>
Interestingly enough, one of my daughters long time girlfriends recently became the
manager of an upscale spa in Sun Valley, Idaho. Streisand recently came into the
place for steam and massage. According to my daughters girlfriend, she is a very down
to earth person, and was very nice to all the employees, very cooperative, and with
none of the "big Hollywood Star" about her.
One of the few nice things that I have heard about her, and it comes from a source
that I know is telling the truth.
Bob
>
>
Bob
dafujama wrote:
> OK. Maybe 'clause' and 'contract' aren't the right words in Hillary's
> case. How about 'strict orders' as from the NewsMax article or
> 'conditions for an interview'.
>
> The point is her mindset is apparently the same as Cruise and
> Streisand. Maybe it's a liberal thing.
More likely its a "big head" thing. I don't know. Somehow, I just
cannot ascribe that to political position.
Bob
>
>
>
Bob
"R. Coyote" wrote:
> "Bob" <chil...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
> news:3E1C6D32...@ix.netcom.com...
> >
> >
> > "R. Coyote" wrote:
> >
> > > "Bob" <chil...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
> > > news:3E1B5422...@ix.netcom.com...
> > > > Thank you, Bill and Evander.
> > > > Your answers were clear and to the point.
> > > > Tom Cruise has too damn much ego.
> > > > Bob
> > > >
> > >
> > > Perhaps, but who really cares?
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Based on the responses, more than you.
> > I mean, if you don't care, why did you bother to read the thread and
> > respond?
> > Bob
> >
>
> I found it interesting for other reasons
> is there any other behavior you would like me to justify?
Yes. On line 28 of your tax return, you state - - - - - -
Bob
The Starmaker
>
> >What is he, the love child of Medusa and Zeus?
>
> He.......a very, very, very teeeeny tiny man. <hehehehehehehe>
> Secondly, He can never play a "Shakesperean" character.
> Lastly, the no eye contact clause is a result of the opposing actor
> be able to confront the "no eye" player...and silently say, "I am stronger than
> you."
> Finally, In ancient theatre the ability to not look your player in the eyes has
> a symbolic gesture that you are a repressed homosexual?
> I think!
>
> On the other hand maybe people could start looking at Tom with Chinese eyes!
>
> Ciao!
It could be to avoid eye contact, in the straight world.
Which is taken as a come-on by guys in gay town.