Where was Reagan's Nobel Peace Prize
Irish Mike
facilitated the increased freedom of millions of people. Where was his
Nobel Peace Prize?
Irish Mike
"The problem with socialism is that, sooner or later, you run out of other
people's money."
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trotsky
> President Reagan ended the cold war, tore down the Berlin Wall and
> facilitated the increased freedom of millions of people. Where was his
> Nobel Peace Prize?
I think Reagan screwed the pooch by illegally funding the Contras. We
got to start throwing these guys in prison.
nick
> President Reagan ended the cold war, tore down the Berlin Wall and
> facilitated the increased freedom of millions of people. Where was his
> Nobel Peace Prize?
>
years does not a Peace Prize winner make.
trotsky
Otoh, what with Reagan's excessive use of Brylcreem, I think he'd be a
lock for the Nobel Grease Prize.
berk
> President Reagan ended the cold war, tore down the Berlin Wall and
> facilitated the increased freedom of millions of people. Where was his
> Nobel Peace Prize?
>
> Irish Mike
Mr. Reagan was not a Peace maker, he was a spokesman.
berk
"My Country, Right or Wrong..." sometimes asks a lot.
The Shadow
> President Reagan ended the cold war, tore down the Berlin Wall and
> facilitated the increased freedom of millions of people. Where was his
> Nobel Peace Prize?
IIRC his work in the film Bedtime For Bonzo ruined any hope for a Nobel.
william
> facilitated the increased freedom of millions of people. Where was his
> Nobel Peace Prize?
>
William
Rich
He kept communism out of South America. Look at the place now after Bush
and with Obama.
Irish Mike
Yeah, it's not like he was an attorney for ACORN or a disciple of Jeremiah
Wright.
Irish Mike
Where have all the anti-war protesters gone? When Bush was President,
left wing anti-war protesters were staging rallies and marches in major
cities all over the country, and MSNBC covered them in depth. Now that
Obama is President, where have all the anti-war protesters gone?
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Irish Mike
> On Oct 10, 10:34�am, "Irish Mike" <ad7c...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
> > President Reagan ended the cold war, tore down the Berlin Wall and
> > facilitated the increased freedom of millions of people. �Where was his
> > Nobel Peace Prize?
> >
> > Irish Mike
>
>
> Mr. Reagan was not a Peace maker, he was a spokesman.
As opposed to Obama who reads well from a teleprompter.
Irish Mike
"The problem with socialism is that, sooner or later, you run out of other
people's money."
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trotsky
> History" about says it:
>
> "They're saying Ronald Reagan was the Master Of Diplomacy
> 'Cos he ended the Cold War with only Thatcher there to help him
> They say he led the world in times that were more optimistic
> I don't know about you but that is not how I remember it
> The constant crushing certainty of nuclear oblivion
> Was ended by East Germans in Berlin not politicians
> When warmongers seek credit for a peace they didn't want
> They've one eye on the history books, the other's on the clock."
Thatcher and Reagan: there was politics making some strange bedfellows.
trotsky
How does that compare to the biggest communist country in the world
being our bestest buddies?
trotsky
And, sadly, his "win one for the Gipper" treatise to the Nobel committee
got his nomination thrown right in the trash.
clouddreamer
> History" about says it:
>
> "They're saying Ronald Reagan was the Master Of Diplomacy
> 'Cos he ended the Cold War with only Thatcher there to help him
> They say he led the world in times that were more optimistic
> I don't know about you but that is not how I remember it
> The constant crushing certainty of nuclear oblivion
> Was ended by East Germans in Berlin not politicians
> When warmongers seek credit for a peace they didn't want
> They've one eye on the history books, the other's on the clock."
Yup. Chernobyl had more to do with the end of the cold war than Reagan
ever did. He simply rode the tide started by Solidarity and the failing
Soviet economy.
..
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We must change the way we live
Or the climate will do it for us.
tomcervo
Rich
> Rich wrote:
> > trotsky <gmsi...@email.com> wrote innews:Lz4Am.79918$5n1.6096@attbi_s21:
Well, lets wait until the Taiwan thing comes to a head before saying
whose friends with whom.
Rich
> They don't have a prize for make-up.
Sure they do. Most of the peace prize winners were clowns.
Rich
Ridiculous. Turkey has Chernobyl style reactors. Do you think when
they go, Islam will fall? The Soviets could have crushed Solidarity
just like they did the Prague Spring.
trotsky
"The Taiwan thing"? Is that what you call your penis?
calvin
The party of Carter the fool and Clinton the pants dropper
should just shut its collective mouth about a good man
like Reagan.
tomcervo
No one's saying that he wasn't a nice guy--just a nice guy who
couldn't recognize his grandchildren, and who tended to think that he
was in a movie, and was sometimes surprised by reality. Look up the
provenance of that bomber story he liked to tell. If Gorbachev hadn't
come along, he might be recalled as an affable failure.
Irish Mike
> They don't have a prize for make-up.
Obama is an international celebrity and the socialist countries like the
fact that he is willing to trash America in front of any foreign country
that will give him a microphone. Obama is not a leader in either an
economic or military sense. He has divided and polarized America more, in
less time, than any one thought possible.
He as given Iran the green light to complete their nuclear weapon, he has
stabbed Israel in the back and North Korea, Russia and China see him as
weak and indecisive. Obama's hand-picked General (McChrystal) submitted a
request for 40,000 more troops in Afghanistan seven weeks ago and Obama
still can't make a decision. American troops are being killed and wounded
while Obama plays politics and his attack dogs (Pelosi, Reid and Biden) go
after McChrystal for making his request public. A recent poll showed that
only 4% of Israelis have confidence that Obama will back them up. So when
Israel does launch an attack against Iran Obama can go back on Letterman
and criticize them for acting unilaterally.
Irish Mike
OK folks, our phone lines are open and the tenth caller will win... The
Nobel Peace Prize!
Irish Mike
"The problem with socialism is that, sooner or later, you run out of other
people's money."
Proud to be one of the 60,000,000 Americans who did not vote for Obama.
Global warming is the biggest scam ever pulled on the American people. It
makes Bernard Madoff look like a crooked Girl Scout selling over priced
cookies.
Where have all the anti-war protesters gone? When Bush was President,
left wing anti-war protesters were staging rallies and marches in major
cities all over the country, and MSNBC covered them in depth. Now that
Obama is President, where have all the anti-war protesters gone?
Tax the rich and give it to the poor, 'til there ain't no rich no more.
OK folks, our phone lines are open and the tenth caller will win... The
Nobel Peace Prize!
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Thumper
Congratulations. You just set the record for being absolutely wrong
on the most points in a single message.
THumper
trotsky
> On Oct 11 2009 10:44 AM, tomcervo wrote:
>
>> They don't have a prize for make-up.
>
> Obama is an international celebrity and the socialist countries
Can you name a single person on the planet Earth that would be a better
choice than Obama?
Take as much time as you need while your brain explodes from the strain.
calvin
> Can you name a single person on the planet Earth that would be a better
> choice than Obama?
Condoleezza Rice, obviously, for both President
and Nobel prize winner.
nick
I know you're biased because you're related and all but you have
really got to be kidding. What exactly did she do in her tenure with
the Bush administration but maybe some hokey piano recitation for
Queen Elizabeth?
calvin
See the question, above. You don't have to do much
to surpass Obama's achievement. However, you can
Google her deeds as SoS as well as anyone. I'm sure
Wikipedia has it all.
william
>
> See the question, above. You don't have to do much
> to surpass Obama's achievement. However, you can
> Google her deeds as SoS as well as anyone. I'm sure
> Wikipedia has it all.
Her "deeds" will be viewed politically for what that's worth. All I
can say about this debate is that Obama didn't nominate himself. If
people want to dump on the Nobel prizes (one could argue them as one
argues the Oscars) that's one thing and where the dissatisfaction
should be directed. Me, I don't think he's done much to deserve it but
he didn't campaign for it and shoudn't be the brunt of the anger.
William
www.williamahearn.com
calvin
For the record, there's no anger from me on this.
My anger at him is for his policies, and for his put-downs
of America. As for the Nobel committee, whatever it
calls itself, its anti-American sentiment is an expression
of ingratitude for what history has shown it about America.
One would think that the Nobel committee would know
history as a bigger picture than simply the previous
administration.
william
As for the Nobel committee, whatever it
> calls itself, its anti-American sentiment is an expression
> of ingratitude for what history has shown it about America.
> One would think that the Nobel committee would know
> history as a bigger picture than simply the previous
> administration.
You're gonna have a hard row to hoe with that one. Far be it from me
to support the Nobel committee(s) but to position them as anti-
American for this particular award denies decades of other awards. If
one tries to assess a political slant for every award over the years,
one has to realize that the make-up of the committee(s) changes over
the years. Going through just the literary awards one can see it grow
from a local view to a self-conscious and "important" one. As much as
you (or I) might disagree with the award, it does show that the
"world" (as envisioned by the Nobel awarders) sees a sea change in the
White House. There is little debate in that regard. Whether Obama
lives up to the hype is actually a different argument.
William
www.williamahearn.com
trotsky
Hey, here's a question for you, calvie: is it well known that Condy is
gay or is it only rumored. Either way, don't you think she could have
used her position to speak out on behalf of gays in the world? If she
had she may actually have been worthy of some kind of award.
calvin
> Hey, here's a question for you, calvie: is it well known that Condy is
> gay or is it only rumored. Either way, don't you think she could have
> used her position to speak out on behalf of gays in the world? If she
> had she may actually have been worthy of some kind of award.
I'm not aware of any such rumors. Since that's your
area of special interest, I'll defer to your homophobic
suspicions. Yes, she could have spoken out against
you.
nick
"Secretary of State (2005–2009)
Main article: Condoleezza Rice's tenure as Secretary of State
Rice signs official papers after receiving the oath of office during
her ceremonial swearing in at the Department of State. Watching on
are, from left, Laura Bush, Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, President
George W. Bush and an unidentified family member.On November 16, 2004,
Bush nominated Rice to be Secretary of State. On January 26, 2005, the
Senate confirmed her nomination by a vote of 85-13. The negative
votes, the most cast against any nomination for Secretary of State
since 1825, came from Senators who, according to Senator Barbara
Boxer, wanted "to hold Dr. Rice and the Bush administration
accountable for their failures in Iraq and in the war on terrorism."
Their reasoning was that Rice had acted irresponsibly in equating
Hussein's regime with Islamist terrorism and some could not accept her
previous record. Senator Robert Byrd voted against Rice’s appointment,
indicating that she "has asserted that the President holds far more of
the war power than the Constitution grants him."[69]
As Secretary of State, Rice has championed the expansion of democratic
governments. Rice stated that the September 11 attacks in 2001 were
rooted in "oppression and despair" and so, the US must advance
democratic reform and support basic rights throughout the greater
Middle East.[70] Rice has also reformed and restructured the
department, as well as US diplomacy as a whole. "Transformational
Diplomacy" is the goal that Rice describes as "work[ing] with our many
partners around the world... [and] build[ing] and sustain[ing]
democratic, well-governed states that will respond to the needs of
their people and conduct themselves responsibly in the international
system."[71]
As Secretary of State, Rice traveled widely and initiated many
diplomatic efforts on behalf of the Bush administration. As of
September 7, 2008 Secretary Rice has visited 83 countries, traveling
for 2118.19 hours (88.26 days) over a total distance of 1,006,846
miles (1,620,362 km).["
Oh my, that is impressive.
trotsky
> On Oct 12, 9:25 pm, calvin <cri...@windstream.net> wrote:
>> On Oct 12, 8:14 pm, nick <nickmacpherso...@AOL.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Oct 12, 7:12 pm, calvin <cri...@windstream.net> wrote:
>>>> On Oct 12, 7:07 pm, trotsky <gmsi...@email.com> wrote:
>>>>> Can you name a single person on the planet Earth that would be a better
>>>>> choice than Obama?
>>>> Condoleezza Rice, obviously, for both President
>>>> and Nobel prize winner.
>>> I know you're biased because you're related and all but you have
>>> really got to be kidding. What exactly did she do in her tenure with
>>> the Bush administration but maybe some hokey piano recitation for
>>> Queen Elizabeth?
>> See the question, above. You don't have to do much
>> to surpass Obama's achievement. However, you can
>> Google her deeds as SoS as well as anyone. I'm sure
>> Wikipedia has it all.
>
> Main article: Condoleezza Rice's tenure as Secretary of State
>
> Rice signs official papers after receiving the oath of office during
> her ceremonial swearing in at the Department of State. Watching on
> are, from left, Laura Bush, Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, President
> George W. Bush and an unidentified family member.On November 16, 2004,
> Bush nominated Rice to be Secretary of State. On January 26, 2005, the
> Senate confirmed her nomination by a vote of 85-13. The negative
> votes, the most cast against any nomination for Secretary of State
> since 1825, came from Senators who, according to Senator Barbara
> Boxer, wanted "to hold Dr. Rice and the Bush administration
> accountable for their failures in Iraq and in the war on terrorism."
> Their reasoning was that Rice had acted irresponsibly in equating
> Hussein's regime with Islamist terrorism and some could not accept her
> indicating that she "has asserted that the President holds far more of
> the war power than the Constitution grants him."[69]
>
> As Secretary of State, Rice has championed the expansion of democratic
> governments. Rice stated that the September 11 attacks in 2001 were
> rooted in "oppression and despair" and so, the US must advance
> democratic reform and support basic rights throughout the greater
> Middle East.[70] Rice has also reformed and restructured the
> department, as well as US diplomacy as a whole. "Transformational
> Diplomacy" is the goal that Rice describes as "work[ing] with our many
> partners around the world... [and] build[ing] and sustain[ing]
> democratic, well-governed states that will respond to the needs of
> their people and conduct themselves responsibly in the international
> system."[71]
>
> As Secretary of State, Rice traveled widely and initiated many
> diplomatic efforts on behalf of the Bush administration. As of
> September 7, 2008 Secretary Rice has visited 83 countries, traveling
> for 2118.19 hours (88.26 days) over a total distance of 1,006,846
> miles (1,620,362 km).["
>
> Oh my, that is impressive.
I just hope she got frequent flyer miles.
LookingGlass
>
> President Reagan ended the cold war, tore down the Berlin Wall and
> facilitated the increased freedom of millions of people. Where was his
> Nobel Peace Prize?
Reagan had nothing to do with the downfall of the USSR. It fell apart
all by itself...from the inside out. He just stood on the sidelines
like a paper prophet.
nick
> In article
> <5a664de1-252d-4d79-944a-9f81a5f12...@t2g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>, nick
>
>
>
>
>
> <nickmacpherso...@AOL.com> wrote:
> >"Secretary of State (2005ñ2009)
> >Main article: Condoleezza Rice's tenure as Secretary of State
>
> >Rice signs official papers after receiving the oath of office during
> >her ceremonial swearing in at the Department of State. Watching on
> >are, from left, Laura Bush, Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, President
> >George W. Bush and an unidentified family member.On November 16, 2004,
> >Bush nominated Rice to be Secretary of State. On January 26, 2005, the
> >Senate confirmed her nomination by a vote of 85-13. The negative
> >votes, the most cast against any nomination for Secretary of State
> >since 1825, came from Senators who, according to Senator Barbara
> >Boxer, wanted "to hold Dr. Rice and the Bush administration
> >accountable for their failures in Iraq and in the war on terrorism."
> >Their reasoning was that Rice had acted irresponsibly in equating
> >Hussein's regime with Islamist terrorism and some could not accept her
> >indicating that she "has asserted that the President holds far more of
> >the war power than the Constitution grants him."[69]
>
> >As Secretary of State, Rice has championed the expansion of democratic
> >governments. Rice stated that the September 11 attacks in 2001 were
> >rooted in "oppression and despair" and so, the US must advance
> >democratic reform and support basic rights throughout the greater
> >Middle East.[70] Rice has also reformed and restructured the
> >department, as well as US diplomacy as a whole. "Transformational
> >Diplomacy" is the goal that Rice describes as "work[ing] with our many
> >partners around the world... [and] build[ing] and sustain[ing]
> >democratic, well-governed states that will respond to the needs of
> >their people and conduct themselves responsibly in the international
> >system."[71]
>
> >As Secretary of State, Rice traveled widely and initiated many
> >diplomatic efforts on behalf of the Bush administration. As of
> >September 7, 2008 Secretary Rice has visited 83 countries, traveling
> >for 2118.19 hours (88.26 days) over a total distance of 1,006,846
> >miles (1,620,362 km).["
>
> >Oh my, that is impressive.
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
Wikipedia again:
"During the summer of 2001, Rice met with CIA Director George Tenet to
discuss the possibilities and prevention of terrorist attacks on
American targets. Notably, on July 10, 2001, Rice met with Tenet in
what he referred to as an "emergency meeting"[36] held at the White
House at Tenet's request to brief Rice and the NSC staff about the
potential threat of an impending al Qaeda attack. Rice responded by
asking Tenet to give a presentation on the matter to Secretary Donald
Rumsfeld and Attorney General John Ashcroft.[37]
When asked about the meeting in 2006, Rice asserted she did not recall
the specific meeting, commenting that she had met repeatedly with
Tenet that summer about terrorist threats. Moreover, she stated that
it was "incomprehensible” to her that she had ignored terrorist
threats two months before the September 11 attacks.[36]"
calvin
>
> "During the summer of 2001, Rice met with CIA Director George Tenet to
> discuss the possibilities and prevention of terrorist attacks on
> American targets. Notably, on July 10, 2001, Rice met with Tenet in
> what he referred to as an "emergency meeting"[36] held at the White
> House at Tenet's request to brief Rice and the NSC staff about the
> potential threat of an impending al Qaeda attack. Rice responded by
> asking Tenet to give a presentation on the matter to Secretary Donald
> Rumsfeld and Attorney General John Ashcroft.[37]
>
> When asked about the meeting in 2006, Rice asserted she did not recall
> the specific meeting, commenting that she had met repeatedly with
> Tenet that summer about terrorist threats. Moreover, she stated that
> it was "incomprehensible” to her that she had ignored terrorist
> threats two months before the September 11 attacks.[36]"
>
What specific threats, concerning people learning to fly,
but not takeoff and land, jumbo jets, did Rice and the
Bush adminitration ignore?
Tom
>
> - Show quoted text -
He takes pride in that.
Tom
Tom
Ms. Rice was, and possibly still is, this country's foremost scholar
on Russia. Why, then, when Mr. Bush left office, were our relations
with Russia at their lowest point in decades?
Was she just not paying attention?
Tom
calvin
To make that a serious question, you need to
supply more facts.
trotsky
I think you haved to take both her race and her gender in account. Even
though she's qualified on paper, she was an awful choice for the position.
nick
>
> - Show quoted text -
She was entirely mediocre. A decent person, for sure, and fallen in
with a bad crowd but as a diplomat, like Donald Trump said, she never
closed anything.
I'd like Condi Ric more is she did stuff like this:
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/10/15/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry5387119.shtml
AZ Nomad
>President Reagan ended the cold war, tore down the Berlin Wall and
>facilitated the increased freedom of millions of people. Where was his
>Nobel Peace Prize?
He did none of the above. Last time I checked, the Berlin wall wasn't ever
american.
AZ Nomad
>On Oct 10 2009 5:38 PM, berk wrote:
>> On Oct 10, 10:34?am, "Irish Mike" <ad7c...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>> > President Reagan ended the cold war, tore down the Berlin Wall and
>> > facilitated the increased freedom of millions of people. ?Where was his
>> > Nobel Peace Prize?
>> >
>> > Irish Mike
>>
>>
>> Mr. Reagan was not a Peace maker, he was a spokesman.
>As opposed to Obama who reads well from a teleprompter.
It's been a while since we have a president who could utter six
words in a row without losing his train of thought.