My 80s favourite films

[TT]

http://www.listchallenges.com/excellent-films-of-the-1980s

Comments?

How many have you seen?

[Michael OConnor]

Not a bad list. I would have found a place for the following:

Fukkatsu No Hi (aka Virus aka Day of Resurrection) - 1980
The Elephant Man - 1980
Ragtime - 1981
Escape From New York - 1981
Absence of Malice - 1981
The Right Stuff - 1983
The Fly - 1986
Hoosiers - 1986
The Untouchables - 1987
Lean on Me - 1989

And since I saw you're adding TV shows, I would also have added St. Elsewhere.

[SLGreg]

Blue Velvet - 1986
--
- greg

[william ahearn]

On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 6:56:12 PM UTC-4, SLGreg wrote:
>
> Blue Velvet - 1986
> --

Probably tons but one them is WarGames. Oh, and Blade Runner.

[TT]

Thanks.

And your suggestions are good films too, although I've not rated Virus
(looks familiar though) or Ragtime. Goldblum Fly is sort of good but I
always found it somehow too disturbing/appalling (I guess that's good
for the genre but...) I like the original much more.

Interesting with 'Escape from New York' is that I used to think it's not
very good... until recently learning to appreciate it more and it feels
better each time I see it. It grows on you. Sort of same with Blade
Runner which slowly grew from ok to great...

[TT]

They're there. Heck, I even chose a Wargames theme for the list as you
can see here:
http://www.listchallenges.com/lists/search/?s=excellent+films

I also made myself another Wargames related picture, but decided not to
use it:
https://postimg.org/image/wtngo4p8f/

The latter is probably better for list of Ally Sheedy films...

[alvey]

The last listed (#145) fails your criteria on two counts. Good effort that
when the criteria is four words... :-)



alvey

[TT]

You got me there. :)

[Michael OConnor]

> > Not a bad list. I would have found a place for the following:
> >
> > Fukkatsu No Hi (aka Virus aka Day of Resurrection) - 1980
> > The Elephant Man - 1980
> > Ragtime - 1981
> > Escape From New York - 1981
> > Absence of Malice - 1981
> > The Right Stuff - 1983
> > The Fly - 1986
> > Hoosiers - 1986
> > The Untouchables - 1987
> > Lean on Me - 1989
> >
> > And since I saw you're adding TV shows, I would also have added St. Elsewhere.
> >
>
> Thanks.
>
> And your suggestions are good films too, although I've not rated Virus
> (looks familiar though) or Ragtime.

With Fukkatsu No Hi, seek out the longer directors cut, which runs over two and a half hours, not the original US theatrical edit which was like an hour 40. A nice quality copy of the directors cut of Fukkatsu No Hi is available on youtube.

Goldblum Fly is sort of good but I
> always found it somehow too disturbing/appalling (I guess that's good
> for the genre but...) I like the original much more.

I like the original but prefer the remake. Jeff Goldblum should have at least gotten an Oscar nomination for the role, and been the top contender to win the Oscar for best Actor.

I forgot two films I wanted to put on the list:

Raising Arizona - 1987
Robocop - 1987

[irishra...@gmail.com]

I follow a simple formula to determine the best films of a particular
genre or decade. I check Movie Pig's list, delete 40% for being too
artsy-artsy, and go with the remaining 60%.

Irish Mike

[luisb...@aol.com]

I like most of these. I'd throw in Crimes and Misdemeanors, Desert Bloom, Blind Chance (Poland), Raging Bull, Betrayal.

[TT]

Michael OConnor kirjoitti 3.8.2017 klo 4:35:
>>> Not a bad list. I would have found a place for the following:
>>>
>>> Fukkatsu No Hi (aka Virus aka Day of Resurrection) - 1980
>>> The Elephant Man - 1980
>>> Ragtime - 1981
>>> Escape From New York - 1981
>>> Absence of Malice - 1981
>>> The Right Stuff - 1983
>>> The Fly - 1986
>>> Hoosiers - 1986
>>> The Untouchables - 1987
>>> Lean on Me - 1989
>>>
>>> And since I saw you're adding TV shows, I would also have added St. Elsewhere.
>>>
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> And your suggestions are good films too, although I've not rated Virus
>> (looks familiar though) or Ragtime.
>
> With Fukkatsu No Hi, seek out the longer directors cut, which runs over two and a half hours, not the original US theatrical edit which was like an hour 40. A nice quality copy of the directors cut of Fukkatsu No Hi is available on youtube.
>

Thanks. I might check that out... although I think I'm done with 80s
films for a while...

Next up probably 60s and 70s films list (which btw looks at the moment
like a REALLY strong list)... I guess I'll have to check out some
'important' films from the era before posting it though.

[TT]

That sounds like a plan.

Or just skip French New Wave, Tarkovsky and every film Wes Anderson ever
made.

[TT]

Raging Bull is by far the biggest omission on my list. I have it at 7/10
(aka very good) but probably should have included it anyway.
Cinematography is great, acting is memorable, but I have some trouble
with the story/script - it doesn't quite do it for me.

I wouldn't include Crimes and Misdemeanors though... Let's just say that
it might have been a good film if the other completely unrelated story
with Woody Allen's character would have been left out. There was no
purpose to that character apart from inserting Allen and his tiring
jokes about neurosis to the film. Self-serving film making.

[hector]

I remember seeing the Brave New World TV movie a long time ago.
It's dreadful. About the only director who could do an Aldous Huxley
novel is Ken Russell. I'm still waiting for the movie of Eyeless in Gaza.

[hector]

On 3/08/2017 3:31 AM, TT wrote:

I don't know how many I've seen, that list is terribly presented, too
much scrolling and page clicking to see everything easily. The 80s was
the decade I seeked out arthouse movies and everything else the most. I
just don't believe there are any actual arthouse movies to the same
extent as there were in the 80s. The worst decade for television and
alternative music was worth seeking out then. Probably my decade.
Lucille Ball infamously tried to make a tv comeback, but nobody had a
clue how to make a decent tv show properly then.

[hector]

I looked up Eyeless in Gaza on imdb. Apparently there was a tv version
made in 1971. I wonder if that could be any good. People just don't
get Huxley novels though.

I've got to say that an 80s movie list can't be complete without Paris,
Texas. Koyaanisqatsi was a real cinema treat in its day. I remember
seeing an experimental film called Turnaround at some festival, earlier
than that with a similar theme.
Where The Buffalo Roam is another one, if they can release the movie now
with the original soundtrack.

[hector]

I eventually found Paris, Texas in the pages. Brainstorm was a
particular favourite which I saw again not that long ago.
Some don't work at all I think, such as Prizzi's Honor, Ragtime (if it's
there), Out of Africa

Favorites include, Blue Velvet, After Hours, An American Werewolf in
London, Once Upon A Time in America which was shown in the proper non
chronological version in Australia from release, The Philadelphia
Experiment one of the most underrated movies, etc.

[Michael OConnor]

> > With Fukkatsu No Hi, seek out the longer directors cut, which runs over two and a half hours, not the original US theatrical edit which was like an hour 40. A nice quality copy of the directors cut of Fukkatsu No Hi is available on youtube.
> >
>
> Thanks. I might check that out... although I think I'm done with 80s
> films for a while...

Fukkatsu No Hi is a big budget Japanese apocalyptic movie with a large international cast including many American B actors such as George Kennedy and Chuck Connors. It was also the first feature film of note for Edward James Olmos, and Sonny Chiba plays a doctor. Great cinematography and score, and the story is interesting. Quite unlike the Irwin Allen disaster films of the 70's as it isn't special effects based.

[william ahearn]

On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 5:44:49 PM UTC-4, Michael OConnor wrote:

> Fukkatsu No Hi is a big budget Japanese apocalyptic movie with a large international cast including many American B actors such as George Kennedy and Chuck Connors. It was also the first feature film of note for Edward James Olmos, and Sonny Chiba plays a doctor. Great cinematography and score, and the story is interesting. Quite unlike the Irwin Allen disaster films of the 70's as it isn't special effects based.

Kinji Fukasaku did way better movies. See The Yakusa Papers.

[TT]

You're comparing it to the book. But in general as a science fiction
film it really is rather deep.

[TT]

Exactly. Wait... what?

[TT]

Don't have Ragtime there. I think Prizzi's honor is misunderstood - it's
really a great dark comedy, one of the best.

Once Upon a time in America is by far the best gangster film I've
seen... way better than Godfather, imo. Then again Leone is nothing
short of a legend, he's someone who changed the whole landscape of
western... can you really even compare good old US westerns to Dollar
Trilogy - no, Leone reinvented the whole genre.

Out of Africa is simply class.

Philadelphia Experiment is good imo, although I seem to like pretty much
all time travel films. (except 'The Primer', which is just kindergarten
level of film making really)

And yeah... Paris, Texas is great... the confrontation in the end and
the atmosphere/music earlier make a powerful mix no doubt. Perhaps not
one of the very best but certainly noteworthy.

[Michael OConnor]

Another great 80's film was Miracle Mile, about a guy in downtown LA in the middle of the night who picks up a ringing pay phone, only to find out from a frightened soldier who thought he was calling his parents on the other end of the phone that the US and USSR have just gone to Def Con 1 and the nukes were going to start hitting the US in the next hour or so. The guy has to figure out how to get out of LA before the bomb drops there. The rest of the movie pretty much plays out in real time from that point forward.

I would also include the mid-80's BBC movie Threads, about a nuclear war told from the point of view of the town of Sheffield, England, which took a hit. Perhaps the most disturbing film I have ever seen; I have watched it several times and once it gets going, I can't watch more than about ten minutes of it at a time. Very realistic, far superior to the overrated "Day After".

[Lesmond]

On Thu, 3 Aug 2017 22:52:02 -0700 (PDT), Michael OConnor wrote:

>Another great 80's film was Miracle Mile, about a guy in downtown LA in the middle of the night who picks up a ringing pay phone, only to find out from a frightened soldier who thought he was calling his parents on the other end of the phone that the US and USSR have just gone to Def Con 1 and the nukes were going to start hitting the US in the next hour or so. The guy has to figure out how to get out of LA before the bomb drops there. The rest of the movie pretty much plays out in real time from that point forward.

It's a great movie. I was once in a club where Mare Winningham was singing
and later ended up next to her at the bar. I felt a bit awkward since I had
not enjoyed her set. So I told her I loved Miracle Mile. She was very
nice.

--
She may contain the urge to run away
But hold her down with soggy clothes and breeze blocks

[hector]

I just think that some people think that Italian accents make good
cinema on their own account. I haven't seen it in years.
I put Ragtime as one of the worst movies ever made, haven't seen that in
years either, hard to find for some reason.

>
> Once Upon a time in America is by far the best gangster film I've
> seen... way better than Godfather, imo. Then again Leone is nothing
> short of a legend, he's someone who changed the whole landscape of
> western... can you really even compare good old US westerns to Dollar
> Trilogy - no, Leone reinvented the whole genre.

I loved finding very long movies in the 80s. Reds was another favourite.
I recently got the Dollar trilogy on bluray, I think I need to watch the
first one again. The Good the Bad and the Ugly is far and away the best
one.

>
> Out of Africa is simply class.

It just didn't look very good when I saw it at the cinema.

>
> Philadelphia Experiment is good imo, although I seem to like pretty much
> all time travel films. (except 'The Primer', which is just kindergarten
> level of film making really)

Time travel movies are an easy concept for movies. It was produced by
John Carpenter. Conspiracy theories seem to come about that supported
the movie version of the Philadelphia Experiment.

[hector]

Just raving about the 80s. It's true, they made the Lucille Ball thing
on video tape I think and it came across dreadfully, nothing of the
magic of her earlier shows. They didn't broadcast all the episodes and
wouldn't tell her at first. TV was just awful in the 80s, video tape
looked awful.

[TT]

Michael OConnor kirjoitti 4.8.2017 klo 8:52:
> Another great 80's film was Miracle Mile, about a guy in downtown LA in the middle of the night who picks up a ringing pay phone, only to find out from a frightened soldier who thought he was calling his parents on the other end of the phone that the US and USSR have just gone to Def Con 1 and the nukes were going to start hitting the US in the next hour or so. The guy has to figure out how to get out of LA before the bomb drops there. The rest of the movie pretty much plays out in real time from that point forward.
>

I agree that Miracle Mile is very good.

> I would also include the mid-80's BBC movie Threads, about a nuclear war told from the point of view of the town of Sheffield, England, which took a hit. Perhaps the most disturbing film I have ever seen; I have watched it several times and once it gets going, I can't watch more than about ten minutes of it at a time. Very realistic, far superior to the overrated "Day After".
>

I don't remember seeing 'Threads'... but what I wanted to say was that
it doesn't take much to top 'Day After', imo.

[Lewis]

Overrated? Really? By whom?

Huh, how odd, it does seem to have high scores. I've never heard anyone
say anything good about it. Important? Yes, absolutely, good? not so
much.

In fact, I'd go further, it was a very bad movie, poorly paced and
poorly edited and 90% just stupid, but that said it did connect with a
lot of people and brought the threat of nuclear Armageddon home to a lot
of people in a way no previous film had.

--
I collect blondes and bottles. ~Marlowe

[william ahearn]

On Friday, August 4, 2017 at 5:50:01 PM UTC-4, Lewis wrote:

> In fact, I'd go further, it was a very bad movie, poorly paced and
> poorly edited and 90% just stupid, but that said it did connect with a
> lot of people and brought the threat of nuclear Armageddon home to a lot
> of people in a way no previous film had.
>

Because it was on TV and presented with those values. It was hyped as an "event" and played off the glow left behind by Roots and other TV movies of the time.

[SJC]

On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 10:31:11 AM UTC-7, TT wrote:
> http://www.listchallenges.com/excellent-films-of-the-1980s
>
> Comments?
>
> How many have you seen?

Airplane
Airplane
Airplane
Airplane

And don't call me Shirley.

[TT]

Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue...

[william ahearn]

On Saturday, August 5, 2017 at 6:34:10 AM UTC-4, TT wrote:

> Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue...

It's always the wrong week . . .

[luisb...@aol.com]

On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 7:42:05 AM UTC-4, TT wrote:
> luisb...@aol.com kirjoitti 3.8.2017 klo 5:34:
> > On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 6:22:21 PM UTC-4, Michael OConnor wrote:
> >> Not a bad list. I would have found a place for the following:
> >>
> >> Fukkatsu No Hi (aka Virus aka Day of Resurrection) - 1980
> >> The Elephant Man - 1980
> >> Ragtime - 1981
> >> Escape From New York - 1981
> >> Absence of Malice - 1981
> >> The Right Stuff - 1983
> >> The Fly - 1986
> >> Hoosiers - 1986
> >> The Untouchables - 1987
> >> Lean on Me - 1989
> >>
> >> And since I saw you're adding TV shows, I would also have added St. Elsewhere.
> >
> > I like most of these. I'd throw in Crimes and Misdemeanors, Desert Bloom, Blind Chance (Poland), Raging Bull, Betrayal.
> >
>
> Raging Bull is by far the biggest omission on my list. I have it at 7/10
> (aka very good) but probably should have included it anyway.
> Cinematography is great, acting is memorable, but I have some trouble
> with the story/script - it doesn't quite do it for me.

No man is an island--especially in a corrupt racket...especially if you're all feelings. That's the story. It's explored in a very interesting, very unusual way. A lot of dialogue is hard to make out.

Camera work. The 1:40 dolly/tracking shot (steadicam?) at the Marcel Cerdan championship fight leading from the holding room out to the ring is tremendous.

Movie also has the distinction of being the only film I'm aware of where someone says, "another county heard from," though maybe there are others.

>
> I wouldn't include Crimes and Misdemeanors though... Let's just say that
> it might have been a good film if the other completely unrelated story
> with Woody Allen's character would have been left out. There was no
> purpose to that character apart from inserting Allen and his tiring
> jokes about neurosis to the film. Self-serving film making.

In the Woody Allen/Mia Farrow story, the holocaust philosopher he's endlessly doing the film about kills himself, both awful and funny. That isn't unrelated.

[TT]

luisb...@aol.com kirjoitti 5.8.2017 klo 21:56:
>> I wouldn't include Crimes and Misdemeanors though... Let's just say that
>> it might have been a good film if the other completely unrelated story
>> with Woody Allen's character would have been left out. There was no
>> purpose to that character apart from inserting Allen and his tiring
>> jokes about neurosis to the film. Self-serving film making.

> In the Woody Allen/Mia Farrow story, the holocaust philosopher he's endlessly doing the film about kills himself, both awful and funny. That isn't unrelated.
>

What does that have to do with Crimes and Misdemeanors?

[luisb...@aol.com]

A lot. It's what occurs.

[Poisoned Rose]

On 2017-08-02 17:31:09 +0000, TT said:

> http://www.listchallenges.com/excellent-films-of-the-1980s
>
> Comments?
>
> How many have you seen?

When I got to "Superman II" and "Any Which Way You Can," I knew I
wouldn't be finishing this challenge.

I threw a top 100 to an '80s poll last year...I probably could stand to
tweak the list now, but this is what I submitted.

1. Once Upon a Time in America 1984
2. Ran 1985
3. Fitzcarraldo 1982
4. Wings of Desire 1987
5. Raging Bull 1980
6. Brazil 1985
7. Amadeus 1984
8. Blue Velvet 1986
9. Fanny and Alexander 1982
10. Au revoir les enfants 1987
11. This Is Spinal Tap 1984
12. The Stunt Man 1980
13. The Shining 1980
14. Paris, Texas 1984
15. Dekalog 1989
16. The Vanishing 1988
17. Do the Right Thing 1989
18. Excalibur 1981
19. Chariots of Fire 1981
20. Das Boot 1985
21. The Cook, the Thief, His Wife & Her Lover 1989
22. Tanner '88 1988
23. The Killing Fields 1984
24. Diner 1982
25. Gandhi 1982
26. Raiders of the Lost Ark 1981
27. The Purple Rose of Cairo 1985
28. Repo Man 1984
29. A Zed & Two Noughts 1985
30. Mauvais Sang 1986
31. Down by Law 1986
32. The Sacrifice 1986
33. Airplane! 1980
34. Local Hero 1983
35. The Thin Blue Line 1988
36. Hannah and Her Sisters 1986
37. Big 1988
38. Koyaanisqatsi 1982
39. Cinema Paradiso 1988
40. Reds 1981
41. Say Anything... 1989
42. River's Edge 1986
43. The Last Emperor 1987
44. The State of Things 1982
45. The Mission 1986
46. Jean de Florette 1986
47. Manon of the Spring 1986
48. Broadway Danny Rose 1984
49. After Hours 1985
50. Kagemusha 1980
51. Back to the Future 1985
52. Zelig 1983
53. Crimes and Misdemeanors 1989
54. Sherman's March 1985
55. Stranger Than Paradise 1984
56. The Elephant Man 1980
57. The Last Metro 1980
58. My Left Foot: The Story of Christy Brown 1989
59. The Fly 1986
60. Hope and Glory 1987
61. The Times of Harvey Milk 1984
62. Women on the Verge of a Nervous Breakdown 1988
63. Platoon 1986
64. Time Bandits 1981
65. Heathers 1988
66. The Untouchables 1987
67. Unknown Chaplin 1983
68. Vagabond 1985
69. Aliens 1986
70. Sid and Nancy 1986
71. The Draughtsman's Contract 1982
72. Une Chambre en Ville 1982
73. I Know My First Name Is Steven 1989
74. Birdy 1984
75. The Coca-Cola Kid 1985
76. My Favorite Year 1982
77. Working Girl 1988
78. Made in Britain 1982
79. Atlantic City 1980
80. The Right Stuff 1983
81. Sophie's Choice 1982
82. Hairspray 1988
83. Gregory's Girl 1981
84. Pee-wee's Big Adventure 1985
85. Altered States 1980
86. Stardust Memories 1980
87. An American Werewolf in London 1981
88. Merry Christmas Mr. Lawrence 1983
89. Veronika Voss 1982
90. On Golden Pond 1981
91. Come and See 1985
92. Drowning by Numbers 1988
93. And the Ship Sails On 1983
94. Tie Me Up! Tie Me Down! 1989
95. Prick Up Your Ears 1987
96. The Falls 1980
97. City of Women 1980
98. Matador 1986
99. Bad Timing 1980
100. High Hopes 1988

[TT]

Poisoned Rose kirjoitti 8.8.2017 klo 5:40:
> On 2017-08-02 17:31:09 +0000, TT said:
>
>> http://www.listchallenges.com/excellent-films-of-the-1980s
>>
>> Comments?
>>
>> How many have you seen?
>
> When I got to "Superman II" and "Any Which Way You Can," I knew I
> wouldn't be finishing this challenge.
>

And why is that?

As if Heathers, Hairspray or Pee-wee would be somehow better...

I've rated around 85/100.

Lots of same titles as on my list anyway.

I'm really disappointed with you though... including some art films but
not a single Tarkovsky. I guess you're not a real art-film lover after
all...
(Having said that... Nostalghia & Sacrifice are pretty terrible films)

[TT]

Or not, around 25.

> I'm really disappointed with you though... including some art films but
> not a single Tarkovsky. I guess you're not a real art-film lover after
> all...
> (Having said that... Nostalghia & Sacrifice are pretty terrible films)

My bad, you did have 'Sacrifice' there...

Terrible film. All style, zero substance.

[Lewis]

In message <UzaiB.1739$mh1....@uutiset.elisa.fi> TT <as...@dprk.kp> wrote:
> Poisoned Rose kirjoitti 8.8.2017 klo 5:40:
>> On 2017-08-02 17:31:09 +0000, TT said:
>>
>>> http://www.listchallenges.com/excellent-films-of-the-1980s
>>>
>>> Comments?
>>>
>>> How many have you seen?
>>
>> When I got to "Superman II" and "Any Which Way You Can," I knew I
>> wouldn't be finishing this challenge.
>>

> And why is that?

Because they are not good.

> As if Heathers, Hairspray or Pee-wee would be somehow better...

Yes, they would. Much better. Well, maybe not Hairspray.

I wouldn't have included On Golden Pond; while the performances are
great, the movie is pretty meh.

--
Maybe I should have seen it as some kind of sign, except I don't believe
in them no more; no no, but I believe these things I can't forget, tho I
don't see you anymore.

[TT]

Lewis kirjoitti 8.8.2017 klo 15:38:
> In message <UzaiB.1739$mh1....@uutiset.elisa.fi> TT <as...@dprk.kp> wrote:
>> Poisoned Rose kirjoitti 8.8.2017 klo 5:40:
>>> On 2017-08-02 17:31:09 +0000, TT said:
>>>
>>>> http://www.listchallenges.com/excellent-films-of-the-1980s
>>>>
>>>> Comments?
>>>>
>>>> How many have you seen?
>>>
>>> When I got to "Superman II" and "Any Which Way You Can," I knew I
>>> wouldn't be finishing this challenge.
>>>
>
>> And why is that?
>
> Because they are not good.
>
>> As if Heathers, Hairspray or Pee-wee would be somehow better...
>
> Yes, they would. Much better. Well, maybe not Hairspray.
>

Hard to see anyone over 10 finding Pee-wee funny. Heathers is below
average teen comedy imo, from the long line of similar teen comedies.
You Americans need to get over your 'most popular teen' complex, it's as
shallow and ridiculous as it gets... and contributes to incredibly banal
and superficial teen flicks...

[SLGreg]

The 80's were 37 years ago. The Brat Pack are now well into their
50's.

--
- greg

[TT]

Of course, but they're still making films about the same topic. (popular
teen complex)

[TT]

...Not brat pack, but Hollywood I mean.

Likes of: Clueless, 10 things I hate about you, Mean Girls, Easy A etc

[SLGreg]

Unfortunately, Hollywood primarily whores itself out to where the
profit lies - the tween/teen audience.
--
- greg

[Lewis]

In message <OlkiB.1782$mh1...@uutiset.elisa.fi> TT <as...@dprk.kp> wrote:
> Lewis kirjoitti 8.8.2017 klo 15:38:
>> In message <UzaiB.1739$mh1....@uutiset.elisa.fi> TT <as...@dprk.kp> wrote:
>>> Poisoned Rose kirjoitti 8.8.2017 klo 5:40:
>>>> On 2017-08-02 17:31:09 +0000, TT said:
>>>>
>>>>> http://www.listchallenges.com/excellent-films-of-the-1980s
>>>>>
>>>>> Comments?
>>>>>
>>>>> How many have you seen?
>>>>
>>>> When I got to "Superman II" and "Any Which Way You Can," I knew I
>>>> wouldn't be finishing this challenge.
>>>>
>>
>>> And why is that?
>>
>> Because they are not good.
>>
>>> As if Heathers, Hairspray or Pee-wee would be somehow better...
>>
>> Yes, they would. Much better. Well, maybe not Hairspray.
>>

> Hard to see anyone over 10 finding Pee-wee funny.

I claim you are either a soulless robot or have never seen Pee-Wee's Big
Adventure, and I claim my £10.

> Heathers is below average teen comedy imo,

Then you were not paying attention.

> from the long line of similar teen comedies.

There are no (precious few, at least) similar comedies, teen or not.

> You Americans need to get over your 'most popular teen' complex, it's as
> shallow and ridiculous as it gets... and contributes to incredibly banal
> and superficial teen flicks...

You have no idea what you're talking about.

--
A Clean House Is A Sign Of A Misspent Life

[Lewis]

You're not helping yourself when you point out very good movies as
being somehow a bad thing.

--
I'm on the path, he thought. I don't have to know where it leads. I just
have to follow.

[TT]

Lewis kirjoitti 8.8.2017 klo 22:30:
> In message <OlkiB.1782$mh1...@uutiset.elisa.fi> TT <as...@dprk.kp> wrote:
>> Lewis kirjoitti 8.8.2017 klo 15:38:
>>> In message <UzaiB.1739$mh1....@uutiset.elisa.fi> TT <as...@dprk.kp> wrote:
>>>> Poisoned Rose kirjoitti 8.8.2017 klo 5:40:
>>>>> On 2017-08-02 17:31:09 +0000, TT said:
>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.listchallenges.com/excellent-films-of-the-1980s
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Comments?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How many have you seen?
>>>>>
>>>>> When I got to "Superman II" and "Any Which Way You Can," I knew I
>>>>> wouldn't be finishing this challenge.
>>>>>
>>>
>>>> And why is that?
>>>
>>> Because they are not good.
>>>
>>>> As if Heathers, Hairspray or Pee-wee would be somehow better...
>>>
>>> Yes, they would. Much better. Well, maybe not Hairspray.
>>>
>
>> Hard to see anyone over 10 finding Pee-wee funny.
>
> I claim you are either a soulless robot or have never seen Pee-Wee's Big
> Adventure, and I claim my £10.
>

The film is terminally unfunny while the character is spectacularly
irritating. I may have exaggerated when I put the age limit at 10... 6
would probably be closer to truth.

In any case you're missing the point which is that one man's garbage is
another man's treasure and it's silly to dismiss entire list based on
couple films especially on a decade like the 80s which is not especially
known for good taste. Also, your only argument seems to be that you
found the childish humour of Pee wee funny... fine, but hardly a
convincing argument to pretend for example Superman 2 being a worse
film. Imo Superman 2 was not much worse than the 1978 classic, while
critics seem to agree.

[TT]

I try to watch only good films, especially when it comes to teen films
made after my own teenage. I'm sure there are lots of truly bad ones
with same concept. Having said that, I thought Clueless was pretty bad &
brainless... (Easy A & Mean Girls were pretty funny)

[Lewis]

That is not at all what I said, you are projecting. PWBA is widely
regarded as an excellent movie, not just by me and not just by 6yos. In
fact, I'd say most people like it more than I do, but that has nothing to
do with whether it belongs on a list of 80s movies, it absolutely does.

> fine, but hardly a convincing argument to pretend for example Superman
> 2 being a worse film. Imo Superman 2 was not much worse than the 1978
> classic, while critics seem to agree.

Superman II is a noticeably worse movie than the first, though the
release of the "Donner cut" is much better.

--
There is nothing so stupid that some person somewhere will not, with
earnestness, say it.

[TT]

I assume that Poisoned Rose's main problem with the film was that it's
ranked so 'high' on my list. He didn't notice the list was in
chronological order.

As for 'noticeably worse'...

Rotten Tomatoes says:

Superman: 93% - 8/10
Superman II: 89% - 7,5/10

I pretty much agree with RT here. The original is slightly better
although the sequel brings some cool stuff in it, mainly the
supervillains from Krypton. I think I also was exactly the right age for
the film in 1980...

[Ted Nolan <tednolan>]

The first 10 minutes or so of Superman III was a great comic setpiece.
The rest of the movie not so much..
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What's not in Columbia anymore..

[hector]

I remember the 80s and I lived through the 80s, but I couldn't do a
list. I don't know every movie in this list. Some I have only seen
more recently.
Koyaanisqatsi was a cinema treat, recently got the bluray.

You can add maybe an Australian movie, Malcolm (1986?)
I never got the hype over Come and See.
Unknown Chaplin was a documentary, I thought there was an actual series
too but I can't find it.
Another one to add:
The Kids Are Alright about The Who.
The In Crowd (a movie I've tried to find again for a long time)
Purple Haze (actually available to get a copy from the director which I
haven't gotten around to).
1969 (maybe the movie that got Robert Downey Jr the part in Chaplin).

I'm still frustrated over the presumed hate over The Philadelphia
Experiment. A movie that used time travel to combine with a suspense
narrative. And maybe people should understand there was a myth over the
Philadelphia Experiment, it's not based entirely on fiction. It's been
extrapolated in more recent years. I don't seek agreement on
newsgroups, and probably not trying to find my people either.

I think Where The Buffalo Roam has recently been released on disc
finally with the original soundtrack.
I didn't mind a movie called Shag, about 1988 with Bridget Fonda, and
Scandal with her, which might have been her first movie. Haven't seen
Scandal in years, about a political scandal in England in the early 60s,
with John Hurt if I'm not wrong. The Profumo Affair.
Shag was another one over soundtrack confusion. It came out on video
with a different music soundtrack, then when the original soundtrack was
released it confused people who didn't know which was which.

[hector]

On 4/08/2017 3:52 PM, Michael OConnor wrote:
> Another great 80's film was Miracle Mile, about a guy in downtown LA in the middle of the night who picks up a ringing pay phone, only to find out from a frightened soldier who thought he was calling his parents on the other end of the phone that the US and USSR have just gone to Def Con 1 and the nukes were going to start hitting the US in the next hour or so. The guy has to figure out how to get out of LA before the bomb drops there. The rest of the movie pretty much plays out in real time from that point forward.
>
> I would also include the mid-80's BBC movie Threads, about a nuclear war told from the point of view of the town of Sheffield, England, which took a hit. Perhaps the most disturbing film I have ever seen; I have watched it several times and once it gets going, I can't watch more than about ten minutes of it at a time. Very realistic, far superior to the overrated "Day After".
>

I'm pretty sure there was a TV movie made in the 60s about the aftermath
to a nuclear bomb. The Day After might have been a belated American
version. No one would have wanted to touch it in America at the time.

[TT]

hector kirjoitti 10.8.2017 klo 10:26:
>
> I remember the 80s and I lived through the 80s, but I couldn't do a
> list. I don't know every movie in this list. Some I have only seen
> more recently.
> Koyaanisqatsi was a cinema treat, recently got the bluray.
>

Yeah, I have that at 10/10. It's a visual treat and also reflects the
frantic modern society brilliantly without use of words, the contrast
between modern day technology vs nature/natural way of life etc... real
eye-opener.

> I never got the hype over Come and See.

Great visually which adds to the atmosphere, it's mostly a
mood/atmosphere piece. Has some *very* effective scenes of violence as
well. I do think it deserves its reputation, a different kind of war film.

> I'm still frustrated over the presumed hate over The Philadelphia
> Experiment. A movie that used time travel to combine with a suspense
> narrative. And maybe people should understand there was a myth over the
> Philadelphia Experiment, it's not based entirely on fiction. It's been
> extrapolated in more recent years. I don't seek agreement on
> newsgroups, and probably not trying to find my people either.
>

It's a nice scifi film for its time I think. Still I'd say as a film
around average.

[SJC]

On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 10:31:11 AM UTC-7, TT wrote:

> http://www.listchallenges.com/excellent-films-of-the-1980s
>
> Comments?
>
> How many have you seen?

My favorites
Airplane! (1980)
Airplane! (1980)
Airplane! (1980)
Airplane! (1980)
Airplane! (1980)
Airplane! (1980)
Airplane! (1980)
Airplane! (1980)
Airplane II! (1982)
The Naked Gun: From the Files of Police Squad! (1988) (and its early 1990s sequels).

You can see a director favouring pattern--I love Zucker/Abrahams/Zucker movies. SHIRLEY I can't be SIRIUS!