THE MOST UGLY ACTRESS
ki...@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu
tHE UGLIEST LADY OF THE SUMMER.
wHAT YOU GUYS THINK ABOUT ?
hA JONG
Courtenay Sue Hameister
Wow. What a fascinating piece of film criticism.
Not that it makes a difference, but I think Julianne Moore is beautiful
- more importantly, though, I think she's a wonderful actress. She did great
work in Altman's "Short Cuts", "Benny and Joon," and even in "The Hand
that Rocks the Cradle." I think she's a bit like Dianne Wiest in that
she always seems to raise the caliber of the films she's in. Looking
forward to seeing her in the upcoming indie "Safe". Does anyone who's
seen it already have comments? (Preferably more insightful than the one
I commented on above).
Courtenay
ki...@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu
>
> What can really be said on this subject?
Hasn't Barbra Streisand pretty much
> got this title wrapped up for all time?
>
> *********************************************
> Idealism, once armed, becomes totalitarianism.
> ---- Patrick E. Kennon
> *********************************************
>
OK,
Maybe the nose of Barbara is too big. But she was sexy in Prince of
Tides. I still think that Ninve Months actress is the most ugliest.
PS We are luck because this movie didnt show any nude scene-it would
be disgusting, see this lady naked.
Ha-Jong>
Dong-Ick Lee
ki...@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu wrote:
#You wrote:
#>
#> What can really be said on this subject?
#Hasn't Barbra Streisand pretty much
#> got this title wrapped up for all time?
#>
#> *********************************************
#> Idealism, once armed, becomes totalitarianism.
#> ---- Patrick E. Kennon
#> *********************************************
#>
#OK,
#Maybe the nose of Barbara is too big. But she was sexy in Prince of
#Tides. I still think that Ninve Months actress is the most ugliest.
#PS We are luck because this movie didnt show any nude scene-it would
#be disgusting, see this lady naked.
What? Nine Months doesn't even have a single nude scene? I'LL NEVER EVER GO
SEE THAT MOVIE!!!
____________________________________________________________________________
Dong-Ick Lee <d...@acpub.duke.edu>
PhD student in Economics
Duke University
Durham, North Carolina
USA
Gary Davis
co...@jove.acs.unt.edu says...
>(snipped)
What can really be said on this subject? Hasn't Barbra Streisand pretty much
got this title wrapped up for all time?
*********************************************
Idealism, once armed, becomes totalitarianism.
Dong-Ick Lee
#What can really be said on this subject? Hasn't Barbra Streisand pretty
#much
#got this title wrapped up for all time?
I second it. (Yeah, she's REALLY ugly!)
Patman
>Someone else wrote:
>> What can really be said on this subject?
>> Hasn't Barbra Streisand pretty much
>> got this title wrapped up for all time?
>OK,
>Maybe the nose of Barbara is too big. But she was sexy in Prince of
>Tides. I still think that Ninve Months actress is the most ugliest.
>PS We are luck because this movie didnt show any nude scene-it would
>be disgusting, see this lady naked.
You haven't seen "Short Cuts" now have you? :)
--
"Comics are a visual medium. You don't have to read."
- John Byrne, at Dragon Con 1995.
George W. Harris
>In article <Pine.SOL.3.91.950728...@jove.acs.unt.edu>,
>co...@jove.acs.unt.edu says...
>>(snipped)
> What can really be said on this subject? Hasn't Barbra Streisand pretty much
>got this title wrapped up for all time?
What about the Picasso Girl from all those Almadovar films? And then
there's Mink Stole, who is wholly unappealing in a number of John
Waters' films.
George W. Harris
Duncan Stewart Matheson
award. How anyone has the cheek to find this woman attractive, is well
beyond me. Second place can go to Juliette Lewis.
Duncan
Matthew Dundon
complexity that blend marvellously and evocatively with her
classical beauty. She owns the screen when she is on it, absolutely
compells attention.
I haven't seen "Nine Months," so it's possible that comedy,
especially slapstick, neglects or even misuses this actor's resources,
but that doesn't detract from the briliance of her work
in "Short Cuts" or "Vanya on 42nd Street." (Get this last one
on video, folks, if you haven't seen it yet.)
For the poster who inquired, "Safe" is a great picture. Moore's
streching here, acting a role (a housewife victimized by
environmental illness) very different from that of her ealier
work I've seen. Unfortunately, this is very much a writer-director's
picture, and the intensity of Todd Haynes vision sometimes gets
in the way of the actors.
Still, an essential picture, and, as Haynes first one to edge into
the mainstream (after the gay-art-film "Poison" and the weird-underground
picture "Superstar") the mark of a talent who may rank among
the best of the next decade.
_______________________________________________________
Matthew J. Dundon http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~dundon
Through September: University of California at Berkeley
After September: University of Chicago Law School
"Every lawyer has the remains of a poet inside him,"
Julian Barnes, 17 July 1995 issue of "The New Yorker"
Michelle Michel
: What can really be said on this subject? Hasn't Barbra Streisand pretty much
I don't understand you guys...My husband feels the same way about Babs,
but I think she's very attractive. So she has a big nose? I think it's
sad the way alot of new Hollywood starlets are getting nose jobs (e.g.,
Elizabeth Grey, that girl from Cocktail) just so they can all look like
clones!
But as for the subject--what about KATHY BATES???
--
Michelle S. Michel (mmi...@sterinfo.com)
Sterling Information Group
ki...@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu
> #much
> #got this title wrapped up for all time?
>
> I second it. (Yeah, she's REALLY ugly!)
>
> ____________________________________________________________________________
months is a real SPECIES.
Kim>
>
COLEMAN EDRICE M
I don't know for sure, but I think he was referring to watzhername -
(I hate when I can't remember names) who played the "wife" of
Tom Arnold's character.
EMC
JD Ahmanson
co...@jove.acs.unt.edu writes:
>>What can really be said on this subject? Hasn't Barbra Streisand
>>pretty much got this title wrapped up for all time?
I thought Sandra Bernhard wins this hands down.
Not that Streisand is a looker by any means....
JD
Marten Sahlen
I cast my vote for Ellen Barkin. She has ruined all movies for me
that she was in, thanx to her grisly looks.
Juliette Lewis comes close second, though.
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Amit K. Basu
And then there's Mink Stole, who is wholly unappealing in a number of John
>Waters' films.
Nicely phrased.
Tom & Kim Johnson
says...
>
>NINE months actress is so awful....
I can't get past Sandra Bernhard for total ugly!!
Roland Lee
this newsgroup.
Roland
Jan Marra
>
>____________________________________________________________________________
"You're ugly too!"
--Lyle Lovett
Daniel Andre Roy
It's my opinion that just about every actor and actress in
Hollywood is, let us say, butt-ugly. Sylvester Stallone and Michelle
Pfeiffer (neither of whom can act, to boot) spring to mind, as do
Brad Pitt and Geena Davis, Warren Beatty and Sharon Stone...
... you get the picture (unfortunately).
=========================
Daniel Andre Roy
cc...@freenet.carleton.ca
Hull, Quebec
=========================
Gary Davis
says...
Pfeiffer is anything other than drop-dead-beautiful? Or those other people either,
for that matter? So, who, in your opinion IS beautiful? I gots to know! (Dirty
Harry reference, sorry.)
Alice J. Merchant
Ellen Barkin? You must be kidding! Anyway, there have got to be more ugly
actresses than her - this would seem more like - "most overrated" or "most
irritating."
Anyway, this is pretty sexist. How about an ugliest male actor thread? I'll
nominate Jack Nicholson, just to get things rolling. (I'm not sure I think
he's ugliest - but he's not attractive and was the first one who came to mind.)
Alice
Alice J. Merchant
> It's my opinion that just about every actor and actress in
>Hollywood is, let us say, butt-ugly. Sylvester Stallone and Michelle
>Pfeiffer (neither of whom can act, to boot) spring to mind, as do
>Brad Pitt and Geena Davis, Warren Beatty and Sharon Stone...
> ... you get the picture (unfortunately).
>=========================
>Daniel Andre Roy
>cc...@freenet.carleton.ca
>Hull, Quebec
>=========================
I'm afraid I don't get the picture - why do you think these people are ugly?
Most wouldn't agree with you. What do you think is ugly about them?
Alice
Daniel Andre Roy
Gary Davis (gdm...@onr.com) writes:
> In article <DCotn...@freenet.carleton.ca>, cc...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> says...
>>
>>Hollywood is, let us say, butt-ugly. Sylvester Stallone and Michelle
>>Pfeiffer (neither of whom can act, to boot) spring to mind, as do
>>Brad Pitt and Geena Davis, Warren Beatty and Sharon Stone...
>>
>> ... you get the picture (unfortunately).
>>
>>=========================
>>Daniel Andre Roy
>>cc...@freenet.carleton.ca
>>Hull, Quebec
>>=========================
> Pfeiffer is anything other than drop-dead-beautiful? Or those other people either,
> for that matter? So, who, in your opinion IS beautiful? I gots to know! (Dirty
> Harry reference, sorry.)
>
I find Pfeiffer's Droopy Dog eyes and slight physique repugnant.
Stallone... well, he's the spitting image of his mother, the ugliest
woman I have ever seen. Geena Davis... come on! Stone... built like a man
from the neck down (breasts notwithstanding)...
Who is beautiful?
Contemporary actresses: Carole Bouquet, Sophie Marceau,
Catherine Deneuve, Arsinee Khadjian, Helen Bergstrom, Emmanuelle Beart
spring to mind...
Past? Myrna Loy, Louise Brooks, Greta Garbo, Liv Ullmann,
Bibi Andersson, Arletty, Grace Kelly, among others...
You may notice a French bias in my choice of contempoary
actresses -- it is not a bias, it is objective observation. There
haven't been any *really* beautiful American or English actresses
since the '60s.
You want Stone? You want Pfeiffer? You want Davis?
You can have them. As far as I'm concerned, they are all D O G S !!!
brad
You are totally and completely wrong. First place goes to Juliette
Lewis. Second place goes to your mother.
Actually, I have no opinion of Uma Therman, but Uma Thurman, if she
were a dinosaur, would be a Babe-adactyl.
blacksheep
Merchant) wrote:
> Anyway, this is pretty sexist. How about an ugliest male actor thread? I'll
> nominate Jack Nicholson, just to get things rolling. (I'm not sure I think
> he's ugliest - but he's not attractive and was the first one who came to
mind.)
Damn right it's sexist. Women must be judged by their appearance and not
their talent, always. I would contribute to the "ugliest male actor"
thread (Sylvester Stallone and Arnold Schwarznegger come to mind) but then
again it's pointless- nobody cares if men are ugly as long as they're
talented.
brad
Dong-Ick Lee
Courtenay Sue Hameister
> Thus, in rec.arts.movies.current-films ahma...@ix.netcom.com (JD Ahmanson) spake unto the masses
> >In <Pine.SOL.3.91.950728...@jove.acs.unt.edu>,
> >co...@jove.acs.unt.edu writes:
> >
> >I thought Sandra Bernhard wins this hands down.
> >
Just wanted to say that this quote that's attributed to me, wasn't me. I
responded to the original post that Julianne Moore was "the most ugly
actress" by saying that I not only thought she was beautiful, but
extremely talented.
I think Sandra Bernhard is hilarious, and while she may not be considered
attractive by our current cultural standards, my definition of attractive
encompasses more than just the physical.
This is why I think Wallace Shawn is one hot fella!!!
Courtenay
Deonor
UGLY... it's their personality and the way they treat other people. As far
as MOST UGLY celebrities go; my picks are:
1) David Letterman - prior to his being a
Prozac Pal
2) Sharon Stone - here's personality and
treatment in a BIG way
3) Julia Robers - same as above + annoying
4) Pauly Shore - he's REALLY annoying
5) Madonna - same excrement different level
(not that I have a problem
with people feeling erotic
once in a while, but they
do stop once in a while, too.)
6) Sean Pen - 'Cause he's a dork who beats
up journalists.
7) "Prince" - 'Cause he's a dork who sicks
his bodyguards on journalists.
8) Johnny Carson - What makes his so darn
special?!
9) Joan Collins - I'm an eye witness to her
throwing a screaming fit at
United Airlines employees
after showing up 3 minutes
prior to a full flight from London
to New York and finding out
that she had to sit in Business
Class (with me) because
she did not choose to show
up in time to take her First
Class Seat. Spent the entire
flight throwing cups of coffee
and being a GIANT pain in the
ass.
On a positive note; I'd select Bill Murray for most beautiful
(personality, anyway) celebrity because he's got the best record as far as
trying to be being funny and nice with his fans. I've heard from Harold
Ramis that Bill has bad days, but he still doesn't punch people for
wanting to say 'hi' or ask him for an autograph.
Deonor
could'nt agree more; even after I contribute to it! :)
Deonor
At first I thought Joan Collins was the most ugly actress for throwing
that screaming fit for United Airlines and throwing coffee cups for the
benefit of Business Class for 13 hours. No, I stand corrected. In a back
page news clip in the 8/03 issue of the Rocky Mountain News, a lawsuit
against Melanie Griffith is described. Graham and Maura Clark are seeking
$34,000 in damages against Griffith for trashing their $3.5 million dollar
home in Long Island (Griffith rented it last summer). In a quote
describing the damage, the Clarks' lawyer said, "Furniture legs were
chewed off... crystal was broken and the mattresses were urinated on."
Furniture legs chewed off? Urine stained mattresses!?! Not in MY little
house, I'll tell you!! Either Melanie lives a secret life as a wherewolf,
or she is a crazed irresponsible psycho vandal hag! I couldn't imagine
that kind of behavior from drunken transients in a subway! Good Marilee
Joseph Pillywig!
-Deonor
Lynda Moulton
>This is why I think Wallace Shawn is one hot fella!!!
>
>Courtenay
Inconceivable!
sorry sorry sorry
Lynda
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All together now: "Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya..."
Dong-Ick Lee
Cybil Shephard(sp?)
She isn't pretty at all, and can't act either. I wonder how she became an
actress.
Alice J. Merchant
ju...@sdsu.edu
I have noticed that online that women are just as adept at and willing
to objectify men as men are women. It's fun and harmless. These are
actors after all, they get hired on the basis of their appeal--
physical, charasmatic, animal, or what have you. Women do care about
if actors are ugly, they just have different ways to classifiy it.
What I want to know is why did hardly anyone spoke up for Julianne
Moore who is a lovely and talented woman. The guy who thinks she is
the ugliest women on the screen deserves what li.
My pick for ugly actors (because life is too short to watch movies
with ugly guys in it, but OTOH, Keanu Reeves shouldn't have to be the
alternative):
All those mentioned earlier
Any really old guy paired up with some young babe (I don't care if he
is Sean Connery, this just turns my stomach)
Nick Nolte
Micky Rourke
Dustin Hoffman (and Renee Russo? HA!)
Jim Carrey
And others beyond counting that I can't think of right now.
Julie
Roland Lee
: She may not be the most ugly actress, but somehow I feel that way.
: Cybil Shephard(sp?)
I think she got her start starring in Peter Bogdanavich (sp?) films.
I believe that she was Mr. Bogdanavich's lover at the time.
Roland
Lynda Moulton
>Damn right it's sexist. Women must be judged by their appearance and not
>their talent, always. I would contribute to the "ugliest male actor"
>thread (Sylvester Stallone and Arnold Schwarznegger come to mind) but then
>again it's pointless- nobody cares if men are ugly as long as they're
>talented.
I agree with you there. Take rock & roll. Some male stars are as homely as mud
fences. If a woman can sing up a storm, and is plain (by the standards of western
culture), chances are her voice, or her face will never see the big time. There
are exceptions, like Bette Midler, but Midler was so outrageous she would NOT be
ignored. It works the same way on TV and in the movies. The male star of a
comedy can be average or even funny looking, but his wife is always cute as a
bug. Bob Newhart is one. Stallone, Nicholson, Dustin Hoffman... can succeed because,
for men, looks don't matter quite so much. (I'll leave Stallone's talend for another
discussion) I does matter sometimes for men, and if you are "beautiful",
you will get the chance to succeed in show biz even if you have the talent of a
slug.
Acting can be learned. Given half a chance even the most talentless among us can
learn to act. While natural ability is a boon, it's not necessary if you have
"the look". I'll qualify by saying that you get a couple of chances if you're
beautiful. If nothing happens, it's back to the runway. The model Paulina
comes to mind.
Lynda (I'll just step down from this soap-box, now.) *thump* Sorry.
Matthew Dundon
> Cybil Shephard(sp?)
>
>She isn't pretty at all, and can't act either. I wonder how she became an
>actress.
I refer you to _The Last Picture Show_. The B&W overlit photography
gives her a cold, brilliant beauty. She is breathtaking.
As she got older, she began to be filmed in vaseline-lensed soft-color,
cf. "Moonlighting". She is now being shot as a realistic-if-still-
attractive-young-middle-age (a la Murphy Brown) in her current
sitcom. (Which I haven't watched more than five minutes of, b.t.w.)
________________________________________________________________
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Courtenay Sue Hameister
> ba...@halcyon.com (blacksheep) wrote:
> >
> > In article <3vp3rh$r...@aludra.usc.edu>, amer...@aludra.usc.edu
(Alice J. > > Merchant) wrote:
> >
> > > Anyway, this is pretty sexist. How about an ugliest male actor thread? I'll
> > > nominate Jack Nicholson, just to get things rolling. (I'm not sure I think
> > > he's ugliest - but he's not attractive and was the first one who came to
> > mind.)
> >
> > Damn right it's sexist. Women must be judged by their appearance and not
> > their talent, always. I would contribute to the "ugliest male actor"
> > thread (Sylvester Stallone and Arnold Schwarznegger come to mind) but then
> > again it's pointless- nobody cares if men are ugly as long as they're
> > talented.
>
> I have noticed that online that women are just as adept at and willing
> to objectify men as men are women. It's fun and harmless. These are
> actors after all, they get hired on the basis of their appeal--
> physical, charasmatic, animal, or what have you. Women do care about
> if actors are ugly, they just have different ways to classifiy it.
I don't agree that women are JUST as adept and willing to objectify. I
think that if an objectification-fest has started, women will put in
their two cents, but they're MUCH less likely to start a discussion like
this one.
I think women have been socialized to look beyond the physical more, and
therefore can more readily look past perceived physical "faults" in a man or
women whose personality they find appealing. I also know MANY women for
whom TALENT and intelligence is a huge turn-on, hence the fact that
Lyle Lovett has a pretty large following of slobbering women. (Honest!
I'll count myself among 'em if it'll prove it to you!)
As far as ugly actors are concerned, I wouldn't be too upset if a "Wizard
of Oz"-style tornado wiped out the home office at Planet Hollywood and
took the primary investors (Bruce Willis, Schwartzenegger, Stallone) up
with it. And by ugly, I of course mean the cinematic pile of dookie
(this is a technical film criticism term....) that they've created
collectively. Eccch.
Courtenay
P.S. Before all you PF fanatics get riled up, I'll give that one to Bruce.
But that was some sort of fluke, and it's not like he brought anything new
and different to his role....
Deonor
flaming message:
I can only say that my head was very far up my ass for even putting one
entry on this thread. I got an E-mail this evening from Brian
[scor...@mail.ut] pointing out the following things:
1) Just because something is printed in a newspaper that doesn't mean
it's fact.
2) Celebrities are often targets of malicious ungrounded lawsuits
because they're famous and wealthy and you're not.
3) I am stupid to judge anyone based on heresay or what's been written.
Judgement is bad all by itself, but it's even worse when it's made against
those whom I dont personally know and used as grounds for spewing refuse
about them, especially if they have not hurt me.
I responded to Brian's E-mail with the following message. I'm
reprinting and sharing it with everyone else, so that I may forward it as
an appology to the rest of you. What I'd allowed myself to do was beyond
criticism for even the idea. It was shameful, hurtful, and nasty, as well
as being something that I'd promised I wouldn't do after being injured in
same manner, recently. (Lies about me involved alleged drug distribution
and questions about my sexual orientation. Along with losing friendships
with people I cared about, I almost got kicked out of school.) My response
to Brian's E-mail reads as follows:
<<Brian,
I got your letter and I appreciate your civility. You're right. Since I
didn't see the condition of the house, or the vandalism in progress, I was
wrong in jumping fully against Ms. Griffith's reputation. Since I've never
had the benefit of any personal dealings with her, I was operating only on
previous impresions left on me by heresay and [the activities of] other
celebs. Now that I think even more about it; I should not just be ashamed
for simply going by what the newspaper says, but for being a hypocrite and
allowing myself to sink to the very level that others have gone to ruin my
reputation. In hindsight, I think I only participated in the 'UGLY' thread
to do something shallow and stupid for my self-esteem. I'm not offended by
your message at all Brian, in fact, I'm happy you spoke up.>>
-Deonor
Kuriyama, Constance
> You may notice a French bias in my choice of contempoary
> actresses -- it is not a bias, it is objective observation.
> =========================
> Daniel Andre Roy
> cc...@freenet.carleton.ca
> Hull, Quebec
> =========================
No one is more credible than the person who tells you himself how
objective he is!
I agree with you about Deneuve, though--even though I rarely admire the
looks of actresses. Cool, elegant, and extremely well-preserved.
Connie K.
Ryan Jackson
: In <Pine.SOL.3.91.950728...@jove.acs.unt.edu>,
: co...@jove.acs.unt.edu writes:
: >>What can really be said on this subject? Hasn't Barbra Streisand
: >>pretty much got this title wrapped up for all time?
: I thought Sandra Bernhard wins this hands down.
: Not that Streisand is a looker by any means....
Sure, they're awful, but have you ever truly seen Susan
Sarandon's neck? HURRRRRRRRRLLLLLLLL!
: JD
--
>> Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions and you are a<<
>>conqueror. Kill all, and you are a God. -Jean Rostand <<
>> ------------------------- <<
>> Ryan Jackson: Megalomaniac. Nihilist. Aspiring GOD OF WAR! <<
Barbara Arnold
> She may not be the most ugly actress, but somehow I feel that way.
>
> Cybil Shephard(sp?)
>
> She isn't pretty at all, and can't act either. I wonder how she became an
> actress.
>
> ____________________________________________________________________________
> Dong-Ick Lee <d...@acpub.duke.edu>
> PhD student in Economics
> Duke University
> Durham, North Carolina
> USA
She pretends.
BA
Adam Neil Villani
Kuriyama, Constance <CB...@ttacs3.ttu.edu> wrote:
>I agree with you about Deneuve, though--even though I rarely admire the
>looks of actresses. Cool, elegant, and extremely well-preserved.
Strange thing about Deneuve--- She looks like she's in her late 30's now,
but I just saw Belle De Jour, and in that she looked about 30, though I
understand she was about 23. Very well-preserved, though I still don't
really find her all that attractive. Her face is too long.
--
Adam Villani
ad...@cco.caltech.edu
http://www.ugcs.caltech.edu/~addam
"I was in this prematurely air-conditioned supermarket..."
Steven Sullivan
Dong-Ick Lee (d...@acpub.duke.edu) wrote:
: She may not be the most ugly actress, but somehow I feel that way.
: Cybil Shephard(sp?)
: She isn't pretty at all, and can't act either. I wonder how she became an
: actress.
good lord, man, have you ever seen 'The Last Picture Show'?
w...@ni.net
: She isn't pretty at all, and can't act either. I wonder how she became an
> : actress.
>
> good lord, man, have you ever seen 'The Last Picture Show'?
>
Yes, but since that she should not appear on TV or films without the necessary
precautions of a bag over her face and tape over her mouth so we don't have to
be struck with her annoying voice.
Kuriyama, Constance
> Women have been socialized to look beyond exteriors, and therefore can
> more readily look past perceived physical "faults" in a man or
> women whose personality they find appealing.
The fact that women have only recently taken an interest in pinups and male
burlesque would support that.
> I wouldn't object if a "Wizard of Oz"-style tornado wiped out the home
> office at Planet Hollywood and
> took the primary investors (Bruce Willis, Schwartzenegger, Stallone) up
> with it. And by ugly, I of course mean the cinematic pile of dookie
> (this is a technical film criticism term....) that they've created
> collectively. Eccch.
>
> Courtenay
Amen! And while the tornado is at it, it could take all those ghastly,
ugly "showcase" restaurants with it.
> P.S. Before all you PF fanatics get riled up, I'll give that one to Bruce.
> But that was some sort of fluke, and it's not like he brought anything new
> and different to his role....
He's incapable of bringing anything new to any role. He's a classic
"personality," not an actor. And a tolerably obnoxious personality at that.
Connie K.
Lord of Chaos
Hands down
its...
Rosanne "Bitch" Arnold
"The fat fuck"
Duncan Stewart Matheson
<bro...@ariz.edu.ccit> wrote:
> You are totally and completely wrong. First place goes to Juliette
> Lewis. Second place goes to your mother.
>
> Actually, I have no opinion of Uma Therman, but Uma Thurman, if she
> were a dinosaur, would be a Babe-adactyl.
>
A dinosaur is probably better looking than Uma Therman, and as for my
mother..well.....your father thought she was pretty good, just before he
went for a special visit to see Ru Paul.
Elizabeth H
>On 4 Aug 1995 ju...@sdsu.edu wrote:
>> ba...@halcyon.com (blacksheep) wrote:>>
>> I have noticed that online that women are just as adept at and willing
>> to objectify men as men are women. It's fun and harmless. These are
>> actors after all, they get hired on the basis of their appeal--
>> physical, charasmatic, animal, or what have you. Women do care about
>> if actors are ugly, they just have different ways to classifiy it.
In article <Pine.SOL.3.91.950804...@jove.acs.unt.edu>
Courtenay Sue Hameister <co...@jove.acs.unt.edu> writes:
snip
they're MUCH less likely to start a discussion like
>this one.
>I think women have been socialized to look beyond the physical more, and
>therefore can more readily look past perceived physical "faults" in a man or
>women whose personality they find appealing. I also know MANY women for
>whom TALENT and intelligence is a huge turn-on, hence the fact that
>Lyle Lovett has a pretty large following of slobbering women. (Honest!
>I'll count myself among 'em if it'll prove it to you!)
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I'm sure there are going to be many who disagree with Courtenay's observations
above. However, studies agree with her. This is known as the "beauty and
the beast" phenomenon, and has been a human female trait long enough
that it is mythologized. You will also find men totally baffled by this
feminine tendency. I once heard Eddie Murphy express amazement in a comedy
routine that there are many women who would marry a legless guy, but he
couldn't imagine a man marrying a legless woman. There is also a running
thread in Star Trek Voyager from young men truly upset over an inter-alien
romance between a lovely female and a really ugly male character.
The tendency women have to ignore what society might deem homely attributes
is probably not basically due to socialization tho, but is more likely a
species survival mechanism. Since they will be the ones having to
deal with spitting up, slobbering, wailing infants, women have to
instinctively behave responsively and sympathetically to what is often not
that basically appealing.
There are exceptions to this empathy for sure. Joan Rivers comes to mind.
But generally, I think Courtenay is correct. Women don't usually start these
kinds of threads. [I do have to add, tho, that Mr. Lovett would have to
have a pretty darn nice personality before I could say he was attractive. ;-D
Betsy H.
Lynda Moulton
Excellent post about female tendencies to overlook physical attribute
deleted.
>There are exceptions to this empathy for sure. Joan Rivers comes to mind.
>But generally, I think Courtenay is correct. Women don't usually start these
>kinds of threads. [I do have to add, tho, that Mr. Lovett would have to
>have a pretty darn nice personality before I could say he was attractive. ;-D
>Betsy H.
I am NOT a country/western music fan AT ALL. I loathe most of it. BUT,
I make an exception with Lovett. His music is wonderful, the lyrics
are intriguing and thoughtful. These positive feelings make him
attractive to me. The point is, women are usually willing to give the
plain man a chance. Many men dismiss a plain woman out of hand. Dustin
Hoffman said of TOOTSIE (when he was in drag) to the effect that:
"I looked in the mirror and saw a woman I wouldn't give a second glance.
It was a humbling moment." Dustin Hoffman humility or lack there of
is not an issue here. The point is he realized something about himself,
and many men like him.
Exceptions accepted. Some women do dismiss plain men and some men
are accepting of plain women. However, statistics show that the
tendency over all, is toward the opposite.
There was a great "Cathy" cartoon which spoke to this issue. The
girls are at the beach. An overweight man makes a big show of telling
them to "not be shy" and "enjoy!"
The girls say that he probably doesn't know or care that he's overweight
and unattractive. Cathy defends him, saying that under that happy exterior
he's probably very vulnerable and sensitive about his looks.
Sure enough, the man is shown to be thinking "The one in pink would be
cute if she lost a few pounds." Heh heh heh.
Lynda
The Wagners
>Math...@ceri.memphis.edu (Duncan Stewart Matheson) wrote:
>>
>> Despite what everyone else thinks, I am voting in Uma Therman for this
>> award. How anyone has the cheek to find this woman attractive, is well
>> beyond me. Second place can go to Juliette Lewis.
>> Duncan
>You are totally and completely wrong. First place goes to Juliette
>Lewis. Second place goes to your mother.
>Actually, I have no opinion of Uma Therman, but Uma Thurman, if she
>were a dinosaur, would be a Babe-adactyl.
> no way juliette lewis isn't that bad, she's just bitchy, my vote goes to Uma Thurman, depending on what color of hair she has, I perfer the blonde.
Robert W. Hall
|> JD Ahmanson (ahma...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
|> : In <Pine.SOL.3.91.950728...@jove.acs.unt.edu>,
|> : co...@jove.acs.unt.edu writes:
|>
|> : >>What can really be said on this subject? Hasn't Barbra Streisand
|> : >>pretty much got this title wrapped up for all time?
|> : I thought Sandra Bernhard wins this hands down.
|> : Not that Streisand is a looker by any means....
|> Sure, they're awful, but have you ever truly seen Susan
|> Sarandon's neck? HURRRRRRRRRLLLLLLLL!
Uma Thurman..
Philip Cameron Swales
: Uma Thurman..
Is He crazy? Uma Thurman? No way
If you want real ugly actresses, then how about Sharon Stone.
Courtenay Keough
You know, I don't usually post nasty messages or flames to people......but
what exactly do you guys look like that you've decided you can be the
ultimate judges of beauty or the lack thereof? If you were on the movie
screen rather than the computer screen, what would people say about YOUR
looks? The "most beautiful" lists are bad and subjective enough, but when
you start calling beautiful, talented women like Susan Sarandon ugly, you're
just making asses of yourselves.
Outraged mode off,
Courtenay
Duncan Stewart Matheson
ck0...@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Courtenay Keough) wrote:
I'm not quite sure what to make of this. Everyone has different opinions
about what and what isn't attractive, so we were merely expressing this.
Whoops......how silly of us "guys" to have an opinion about something
which is part of what makes these actresses a crowd drawer.
If looks are a crucial part of their on-screen persona, then there is
nothing wrong with discussing them. Incidentally, our looks aren't in
question, as this is not a newsgroup about us.
OK...I've said my piece...I'm going back to my six-pack of Bud, and my
copy of Playboy.
Cheers,
Duncan
Courtenay Keough
>I'm not quite sure what to make of this. Everyone has different opinions
>about what and what isn't attractive, so we were merely expressing this.
>Whoops......how silly of us "guys" to have an opinion about something
>which is part of what makes these actresses a crowd drawer.
>If looks are a crucial part of their on-screen persona, then there is
>nothing wrong with discussing them. Incidentally, our looks aren't in
>question, as this is not a newsgroup about us.
>OK...I've said my piece...I'm going back to my six-pack of Bud, and my
>copy of Playboy.
Duncan,
Thanks for the amiable response! You're right, looks are a lot of an
actress' on-screen persona, and I suppose it's valid for it to be discussed.
I guess I just object to the subject line, ie the word "UGLY" in big old
caps. It seems harsher than you probably intend it to be. Also I suppose I
object because I think Susan Sarandon is BEAUTIFUL. If I look like that at
her age I'll consider myself REAL lucky. Also, I always get the silly idea
that acting is about acting, not about physical beauty. But this newsgroup
IS about Hollywood, the same place that cast the gorgeous Winona Ryder as
the supposedly awkward and gangly heroine Jo March in "Little Women."
Cheers,
Courtenay
Dong-Ick Lee
ck0...@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Courtenay Keough) wrote:
|Also I suppose I
|object because I think Susan Sarandon is BEAUTIFUL.
Are you serious? She's ugly! Look at her face 'as a whole', not 'by parts'.
:-)))))
Alice J. Merchant
>In article <1995Aug14.1...@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>,
>ck0...@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Courtenay Keough) wrote:
>> You know, I don't usually post nasty messages or flames to people......but
>> what exactly do you guys look like that you've decided you can be the
>> ultimate judges of beauty or the lack thereof? If you were on the movie
>> screen rather than the computer screen, what would people say about YOUR
>> looks? The "most beautiful" lists are bad and subjective enough, but when
>> you start calling beautiful, talented women like Susan Sarandon ugly, you're
>> just making asses of yourselves.
>>
>> Outraged mode off,
>>
>> Courtenay
>I'm not quite sure what to make of this. Everyone has different opinions
>about what and what isn't attractive, so we were merely expressing this.
>Whoops......how silly of us "guys" to have an opinion about something
>which is part of what makes these actresses a crowd drawer.
>If looks are a crucial part of their on-screen persona, then there is
>nothing wrong with discussing them. Incidentally, our looks aren't in
>question, as this is not a newsgroup about us.
>OK...I've said my piece...I'm going back to my six-pack of Bud, and my
>copy of Playboy.
>Cheers,
>Duncan
But, ugly? Wouldn't you say "overrated" or "not attractive to me"? It's hard
for me to imagine that people think these women are actually ugly. To me, ugly
would be more like the "Pat" character on SNL. I know I'm kind of nitpicking,
but it seems ludicrous to use the word "ugly" to describe Susan Sarandon,
Ellen barkin, Sharon Stone, etc. "Unattractive" or "unappealing" seem to be
more appropriate, less loaded words.
Alice
Charles Reindorf
Somebody wrote word to the effect:
> Who is the ugliest actress?
Setting policical correctness aside for the moment, Melanie Griffiths
is by far the ugliest actress to have appeared in the movies, fact.
Regards,
Charles.
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Andrew Shore
Whoopi Goldberg or Bette Midler
hra...@intellinet.com
took the time to get on line, you pay your monthly
net charges and then you discuss which actresses facial
structures are the most in line with the american standards of
Cosmopolitan, Vogue or MTV? You people need to read
more books.
HR
AH0...@censsw.gov.ab.ca
Andrew Shore <ash...@welchlink.welch.jhu.edu> writes:
>
>Whoopi Goldberg or Bette Midler
>
Put me money down for Bette Midler as the ugliest of ugly too.
Sly.
ChapelHeel
eliminate any cries of sexism. As for judging other people's looks, it
happens everyday: at work, at the beach, in the mall. You've never
discussed with friends who you thought was cute? We're just talking here.
I don't think slamming somebody for their looks is any worse than
slamming somebody for their inability to act. I bet if Susan Sarandon was
as bored as we are and chose to read this newsgroup, she would be more
offended by criticisms of her performance than what we think of her
appearance.
I understand your objections, but don't get so upset.
ChapelHeel
Who do you think is gorgeous? Angela Lansbury?
Duncan Stewart Matheson
Wrong. ALL my stuff is free, including my Mac etc. This is the joy of
being a grad student. I read a lot, but this bears no reflection on the
content of my postings. I enjoy trivial threads...take them in the context
that they are intended.
Michael Atherton
Since this thread really belongs in rec.arts.movies.lists+surveys
I've crossed posted it in the correct news group. If you are
going to respond to followup on this thread please remove the
posting to rec.arts.movies.current-films.
Thanks.
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Alice J. Merchant
>Hi,
>Thanks.
Oh, give it up already! It doesn't matter that much. At least people aren't
posting spoilers without warning like they do in the TV groups. I complained
about it once and was told primarily to chill out. Yet, having a plot spoiled
seems to me to be a lot worse than having cross postings. I get more tired of
reading your postings than I do of reading posts in the wrong groups.
Anyway, if someone posts something in the wrong group and I want to reply, I'm
probably going to reply in the group I'm in. That's how this gets perpetuated.
It's pretty hard to control. I haven't started any original posts that I
recall, and if I did, I'd put it in the right group. It's the original posters
who cause the problems. You can't expect repliers to be so vigilant that they
will move the thread to its correct group. That's expecting too much out of
people, I think. As I'm writing this, I'm thinking that maybe I was too strong
in the first sentence of my post. I'll amend myself and request that if you're
going to flame cross-posters that you flame the ones who START the threads
rather than those who continue them.
Alice
KangaROO72
:Somebody wrote word to the effect:
:Charles.
I am absolutely, totally baffled as to what men find remotely attractive
about Melanie Griffith. She's not ugly but she's not, IMO, good-looking
either. Her voice is totally fake (or flake, take your pick) and her
brains are burned out from the years of cocaine she snorted. How many
working cells are still in there?
Now about these other women you guys find unattractive: Uma Thurman???
She's gorgeous! A classic beauty! Did you even see her on the Academy
Awards this year? Stunning.
Now, you guys claim to be so open-minded, why don't you all take a trip
further down the list and visit my new obnoxious site "Ugliest Men Alive",
to counter-act (or complement) this thread. Arguments, opinions,
whatever, always welcomed! :-)
Christine S Ng
|> Anyway, if someone posts something in the wrong group and I want to reply, I'm
|> probably going to reply in the group I'm in. That's how this gets perpetuated.
|> It's pretty hard to control. I haven't started any original posts that I
|> recall, and if I did, I'd put it in the right group. It's the original posters
|> who cause the problems. You can't expect repliers to be so vigilant that they
|> will move the thread to its correct group. That's expecting too much out of
|> people, I think. As I'm writing this, I'm thinking that maybe I was too strong
|> in the first sentence of my post. I'll amend myself and request that if you're
|> going to flame cross-posters that you flame the ones who START the threads
|> rather than those who continue them.
|>
|> Alice
The problem with this is, if people continue to do followup
on a thread that started in the wrong group, the original
poster will feel that there is _no_need_ to move to
the correct group next time, then he/she will continue to post
threads in the worng group and people continue to do followup.
Thus, if you feel that the thread is not in the right group,
at the very least, do what I've done in this post, that is, in
the header, set :
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies.current-films,rec.arts.movies.misc
Followup-To: rec.arts.movies.misc
and possibly mention about the changes in the post as well.
(of course, in most cases, you would want to direct it to
.people or .lists+surveys, but right now, this thread
isnt's about ugly actresses anymore, BTW, it has been
quite a sexist thread!)
In this way, it can smoothly move over to the correct group.
The method that I really prefer is to just do the followup
in the correct group only and email the original
poster about the change.
Thank you.
Christine
Paul Wayner
>Seriously, you people purchased computers and
>took the time to get on line, you pay your monthly
>net charges and then you discuss which actresses facial
>structures are the most in line with the american standards
Does it make any more sense for you to purchase a computer,
take the time to get on line, pay your monthly net
charges and then you spend your time chastizing other
people for discussing a topic you find trivial or silly?
A discussion, I might add, that you're in no way forced
to join or read. Maybe you should just live and let live
a little more.
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