David Fincher quality pattern

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Jon Ridge

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Apr 7, 2002, 5:29:49 PM4/7/02
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Just something I've noticed, and the director has
always remained faithful to it:

Alien 3 - * * *
Seven - * * * *
The Game - * * *
Fight Club - * * * *
Panic Room - * * *

Pretty good track record, if you ask me. The
man hasn't made a bad movie, yet! So,
according to the above 'quality pattern',
Fincher's next movie will be a great one.
Whatever the hell it ends up being...

Mike and Dorcie

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Apr 7, 2002, 5:46:42 PM4/7/02
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Jon Ridge wrote:

Except "Alien 3" sucked.


Dorcie


yej

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I think some of us will argue Alien 3 being a "good" movie.

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SpaceRook

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On Sun, 7 Apr 2002 14:29:49 -0700, "Jon Ridge" <shiz...@msn.com>
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Is he still going to make Rendezvous with Rama w/ Morgan Freeman? I
liked the book and would love to see Fincher's take on it.

spauldingae

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Alien 3 may have been a good movie, but it's a fricken lousy sequel.

The giant plothole at the beginning is one of the reasons why.

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Dawn Taylor

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Apr 7, 2002, 6:44:08 PM4/7/02
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>I think some of us will argue Alien 3 being a "good" movie.

Some of us will argue about The Game being a "good" movie, too.

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"Jon Ridge" <shiz...@msn.com> wrote in message
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> Just something I've noticed, and the director has
> always remained faithful to it:
>
> Alien 3 - * * *
> Seven - * * * *
> The Game - * * *
> Fight Club - * * * *
> Panic Room - * * *
>
>
I would argue Fight Club to be more of a * * * * * movie.

Rob


Jayhawker

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: On Sun, 07 Apr 2002 22:10:02 GMT, "yej" <y...@cox.net> wrote:
:
: >I think some of us will argue Alien 3 being a "good" movie.
:
: Some of us will argue about The Game being a "good" movie, too.
:

Yeah, I would have gone with four stars myself.


Olompali4

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Apr 7, 2002, 7:50:00 PM4/7/02
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Alien 3 would have much better if they shaved the dog.

Jeff Coleman

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I agree, except for the part about Alien 3. I don't blame him, though, it
was just stupid all around. Everything else he's done I've really enjoyed.

Also, what music videos did Fincher direct? I think I've heard he did
Madonna's "Express Yourself" (with its grey, rainy industrial theme) and
"Vogue"...

What others?

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John Harkness

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On Mon, 08 Apr 2002 00:35:31 GMT, "Jeff Coleman"
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>"Jon Ridge" <shiz...@msn.com> wrote in message
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>> Just something I've noticed, and the director has
>> always remained faithful to it:
>>
>> Alien 3 - * * *
>> Seven - * * * *
>> The Game - * * *
>> Fight Club - * * * *
>> Panic Room - * * *
>>
>> Pretty good track record, if you ask me. The
>> man hasn't made a bad movie, yet! So,
>> according to the above 'quality pattern',
>> Fincher's next movie will be a great one.
>> Whatever the hell it ends up being...
>
>I agree, except for the part about Alien 3. I don't blame him, though, it
>was just stupid all around. Everything else he's done I've really enjoyed.
>
>Also, what music videos did Fincher direct? I think I've heard he did
>Madonna's "Express Yourself" (with its grey, rainy industrial theme) and
>"Vogue"...
>
>What others?
>

Most of the videos from Paula Abdul's first album -- "It's Just The
Way That You Love Me", "Straight Up", "Cold-Hearted" and "Forever Your
Girl" (He didn't do "Knocked Out" or "Opposites Attract")

John Harkness
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yej

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Apr 7, 2002, 8:53:21 PM4/7/02
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I meant argue AGAINST.

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Douglas Bailey

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jcol...@NOSPAMhandofgod.com wrote:

> Also, what music videos did Fincher direct? I think I've heard he did
> Madonna's "Express Yourself" (with its grey, rainy industrial theme) and
> "Vogue"...
>
> What others?

Check out <http://www.davidfincher.net/filmography.html> for a good
list.

doug

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Jeff Coleman

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> Most of the videos from Paula Abdul's first album -- "It's Just The
> Way That You Love Me", "Straight Up", "Cold-Hearted" and "Forever Your
> Girl" (He didn't do "Knocked Out" or "Opposites Attract")

Thanks John--I don't know if I've seen any of those. I probably saw them on
TV, but don't remember them, not being much of a Paula Abdul fan :)

Jeff Coleman

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> jcol...@NOSPAMhandofgod.com wrote:
>
> > Also, what music videos did Fincher direct? I think I've heard he did
> > Madonna's "Express Yourself" (with its grey, rainy industrial theme) and
> > "Vogue"...
> >
> > What others?
>
> Check out <http://www.davidfincher.net/filmography.html> for a good
> list.

Thanks! I notice that he did Billy Idol's "Cradle of Love". That's
probably my favorite music video ever :)

Reagen Sulewski

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> "Jon Ridge" <shiz...@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:Ogknpsn3BHA.1328@cpimsnntpa03...
>> Just something I've noticed, and the director has
>> always remained faithful to it:
>>
>> Alien 3 - * * *
>> Seven - * * * *
>> The Game - * * *
>> Fight Club - * * * *
>> Panic Room - * * *
>>
>> Pretty good track record, if you ask me. The
>> man hasn't made a bad movie, yet! So,
>> according to the above 'quality pattern',
>> Fincher's next movie will be a great one.
>> Whatever the hell it ends up being...
>
> I agree, except for the part about Alien 3. I don't blame him,
> though, it was just stupid all around. Everything else he's done I've
> really enjoyed.
>
> Also, what music videos did Fincher direct? I think I've heard he did
> Madonna's "Express Yourself" (with its grey, rainy industrial theme)
> and "Vogue"...
>
> What others?

Recently, he did Tool's "Judith".

John Harkness

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Apr 7, 2002, 9:25:47 PM4/7/02
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On Mon, 08 Apr 2002 01:43:57 GMT, "Jeff Coleman"
<jcol...@NOSPAMhandofgod.com> wrote:

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>"John Harkness" <j...@attcanada.ca> wrote in message
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>> Most of the videos from Paula Abdul's first album -- "It's Just The
>> Way That You Love Me", "Straight Up", "Cold-Hearted" and "Forever Your
>> Girl" (He didn't do "Knocked Out" or "Opposites Attract")
>
>Thanks John--I don't know if I've seen any of those. I probably saw them on
>TV, but don't remember them, not being much of a Paula Abdul fan :)
>
>Jeff
>--

I was browsing the discount VHS rack at my local and saw them --
flipped the box over and saw that string of "directed by David
Fincher"s and bought for like, six bucks.

John Harkness

Sawfish

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Apr 7, 2002, 11:30:04 PM4/7/02
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dawn...@pacifier.com (Dawn Taylor) writes:

>On Sun, 07 Apr 2002 22:10:02 GMT, "yej" <y...@cox.net> wrote:

>>I think some of us will argue Alien 3 being a "good" movie.

>Some of us will argue about The Game being a "good" movie, too.

Hear, hear!


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Then you are ridiculously easy to please.

Feckless

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It starts out great and then gets really stupid (not to give it away). What
a copout, reminds me of a story I wrote in seventh grade. Helena Bonham
Carter was awesome though, every time she comes onscreen it gets exciting
again.


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Feckless

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So maybe Fincher is the Paula Abdul of movies?

HudsonGrl

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>Date: 4/7/02 4:46 PM Central Daylight Time
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>>
>> Alien 3 - * * *
>> Seven - * * * *
>> The Game - * * *
>> Fight Club - * * * *
>> Panic Room - * * *
>>
>> Pretty good track record, if you ask me. The
>> man hasn't made a bad movie, yet!

>Except "Alien 3" sucked.

and Panic Room sucked too...lol.

John Harkness

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On Sun, 7 Apr 2002 23:10:24 -0500, "Feckless" <so...@nospam.com>
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Naah, he's taller.

John Harkness

ANIM8Rfsk

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Apr 8, 2002, 12:45:07 AM4/8/02
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<< >I think some of us will argue Alien 3 being a "good" movie.

Some of us will argue about The Game being a "good" movie, too. >>

I'd argue about Alien 3 being 'competent' much less 'good'

And the same for The Game. Bleah.

ANIM8Rfsk

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Apr 8, 2002, 12:46:59 AM4/8/02
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<< > Most of the videos from Paula Abdul's first album -- "It's Just The
> Way That You Love Me", "Straight Up", "Cold-Hearted" and "Forever Your
> Girl" (He didn't do "Knocked Out" or "Opposites Attract") >>

Wow, so there's Fincher material I actually enjoyed - although the best ones
aren't his.

deering

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Feckless wrote:
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> So maybe Fincher is the Paula Abdul of movies?

More like the Alan Parker . . .

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Said movies made to concentrate on ominous visuals and shades of
blue and gray even God never intended--check. Editing and tortuous
camera movements onto near hysteria--check. Movies that are way less
than the sum of their parts and wind up saying nothing nearly as
strong as the premise would lead you to expect--yep. All present and
accounted for--g!)

Jon Ridge

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Guess I'm alone in liking Alien 3.
May have not been on the level
of, say, the first two Alien films --
although it was waaaaay better
than the last one they made --
but D.Fincher had an atmospheric
visual style even back then.

anyway..
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<< Guess I'm alone in liking Alien 3.
May have not been on the level
of, say, the first two Alien films -- >>

It's not even on the level of Plan Nine from Outer Space, which is at least
enjoyable, if only for all the wrong reasons.

Robert Matthews

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In article <ej16#yr3BHA.2080@cpimsnntpa03>, "Jon Ridge" <shiz...@msn.com>
wrote:

> Guess I'm alone in liking Alien 3.
> May have not been on the level
> of, say, the first two Alien films --
> although it was waaaaay better
> than the last one they made --
> but D.Fincher had an atmospheric
> visual style even back then.

He did indeed. That sequence with the alien cozying up to Ripley and they
*not* eating her still gives me the shivers, no matter how many times I see it.
I'll never understand why so many people hate "Alien 3." So the movie falls
apart in the last half hour. It honestly looks as if the studio re-edited the
thing; I'd love to see a director's cut so we could figure out exactly what he
had in mind. The last five minutes are perfect, very Fincher.

I'll also never understand why so many people hate the fourth installment.
It's very Jeunet--his trademark dark-gold colour scheme, his bitter sense of
humour. (It's actually better than "Alien 3", in my opinion, though I may well
be alone in that.)

Robert "very" Matthews

Kevin FilmNutBoy

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"Jon Ridge" shiz...@msn.com wrote:

>Just something I've noticed, and the director has
>always remained faithful to it:
>
>Alien 3 - * * *
>Seven - * * * *
>The Game - * * *
>Fight Club - * * * *
>Panic Room - * * *
>
>Pretty good track record, if you ask me.

Those ratings are based on a 10 star scale, right?

--Kevin

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JRyanH182

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Apr 8, 2002, 9:36:12 PM4/8/02
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>Just something I've noticed, and the director has
>always remained faithful to it:
>
>Alien 3 - * * *

David Fincher really is a great director IMO. But I have to agree on Ebert's
take on Alien 3 when he said it was one of the best looking "bad" movies ever
made. The sets, photography, acting are all pretty good. But it just feels
tired and the whole film made me feel depressed. Although I'm sure thats the
mood Fincher was looking for. I just wished the Alien series would have maybe
taken a different route story-wise after "Aliens".

ANIM8Rfsk

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<< But I have to agree on Ebert's
take on Alien 3 when he said it was one of the best looking "bad" movies ever
made. The sets, photography, acting are all pretty good >>

See, I don't even like the look of it. Let's shave everybody's heads and film
them in sepia so we can't tell anybody apart or what's happening. Great.

<< I just wished the Alien series would have maybe
taken a different route story-wise after "Aliens". >>

Alien 4 should have just disavowed 3 as a bad dream.

spauldingae

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> In article <ej16#yr3BHA.2080@cpimsnntpa03>, "Jon Ridge" <shiz...@msn.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Guess I'm alone in liking Alien 3.
> > May have not been on the level
> > of, say, the first two Alien films --
> > although it was waaaaay better
> > than the last one they made --
> > but D.Fincher had an atmospheric
> > visual style even back then.
>
> He did indeed. That sequence with the alien cozying up to Ripley and
they
> *not* eating her still gives me the shivers, no matter how many times I
see it.
> I'll never understand why so many people hate "Alien 3."

My Reason- The entire film is based on a Huge plothole in the very
beginning.

That and those two were NOT the last aliens in any sense of the word.
There's still an entire ship full of eggs back there on the planet "ALIENS"
took place on.

Alien 3 did not need to be made the way it was. The fact they went through 9
script writers and, IIRC, 13 scripts says a lot.

So the movie falls
> apart in the last half hour. It honestly looks as if the studio re-edited
the
> thing; I'd love to see a director's cut so we could figure out exactly
what he
> had in mind. The last five minutes are perfect, very Fincher.
>
> I'll also never understand why so many people hate the fourth
installment.

The following reasons I can gather.

-Based off a bad premise like Alien 3, that the last alien died with her, so
they need to clone her to get one.
-Ripley playing basketball.
-The newborn.


> It's very Jeunet--his trademark dark-gold colour scheme, his bitter sense
of
> humour. (It's actually better than "Alien 3", in my opinion, though I may
well
> be alone in that.)

Actually, I thought it was better as well. But still comes nowhere close to
the first 2.

> Robert "very" Matthews


spauldingae

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