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Virtua Flapper

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I'm at a loss here. I don't want to hear any flamish type responses like
"South Park sucks" or "you're an immature bastard for liking that movie",
but some serious discussion here. It's one thing for a movie to
flop....but it seems to me that at least movies that flop find their way
into the top ten on their openning weekend....even "Dirty Work" made it
into the top ten! I just don't understand how BASEketball could have done
so horribly, considering it had lots of advertising and considering the
popularity of South Park and Zucker Bros. films. Any insights would be
appriciated...I'm just baffled.

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I think people went into Baseketball expecting to see "Airplane" or
something like that. What they got was a spoof about sports....not a
direct send-up of lots of other movies (although there were movie send
ups here, just not as blatant as, say, Jane Austins Mafia, Naked Gun, or
Airplane.)

What the movie was about was how sports stars are looked at as something
more then human many times, and how we put these labels on them. This
movie was not about 'sports movies' as much as it was about sports and
the people who follow them.

Back when "Last Action Hero" came out, it bombed. Bad. Why? Because
everyone went expecting "Terminator", "Commando" or even "Conan". What
they got was an action/comedy about the things that are funny in this
genre of films.

Take a look at "Dracula: Dead and Loving It". Most people expected
another "Young Frankenstien". But, YF looked at an entire genre and
poked fun at it. It did not just aim at Frankenstien.

But...D:D andLI aimed at one place...The Dracula movie that had just
come out. It did not really aim around and pick different movies, it
shot at one thing....and because of that it failed.

People are not tired of spoof, parody or low brow humor. We probably
never will tire of it, because we like to find fun with what we love.
How long do you think it will be before "Saving Private Ryan" gets
targeted?

The first episode of SNL? The second? Or maybe some other show will do
it. But it will happen.

Baseketball was a funny film, dealing with sports and the people who
enjoy them. If people looked at it like that, I don't think it would
have missed with it's audience.

Just me opinion.

LArry

Justin Siegel

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GCarras wrote:
>
> >
> >Basically, they created a movie nobody over 18 would want to see, then made
> >it R, forcing the majority of the target audience to eith
>
> Hmm.I was born in 1960..last timeI checked on December the 8th..(Sammy
> Davis,Jr.'sb-day..) it was my 37trh b';day.

You're *37* years old?! I could've sworn you were maybe 7 or 8 or
something. Are you like Rain Man or something? You can't type for shit
and your grammer leaves something to be desired, but you can like,
calculate the square root of 238,593,754 in 10 milliseconds?

Question: how much does a candy bar cost?

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Ickyboy1

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Probably because another "toilet" movie, Something about Mary, was dominating
the market at the time. And with Mafia! taking a small box office bite too, it
seems audiences have had their fill of "silly" for a while. BASEketball was in
the wrong place at the wrong time.

Wag the Frog

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Virtua Flapper wrote in message ...

>
>I'm at a loss here. I don't want to hear any flamish type responses like
>"South Park sucks" or "you're an immature bastard for liking that movie",
>but some serious discussion here. It's one thing for a movie to
>flop....but it seems to me that at least movies that flop find their way
>into the top ten on their openning weekend....even "Dirty Work" made it
>into the top ten! I just don't understand how BASEketball could have done
>so horribly, considering it had lots of advertising and considering the
>popularity of South Park and Zucker Bros. films. Any insights would be
>appriciated...I'm just baffled.


The only thing I can come up with is that it was OVERadvertised (I'm sure
that's a word). It's like that Playing God movie that bombed so bad. They
can overdue it with TV ads sometimes. Plus, well, it looks like a shit
movie.

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On Thu, 6 Aug 1998 20:46:01 -0400, in rec.arts.movies.current-films,
Virtua Flapper wrote:

>
>I'm at a loss here. I don't want to hear any flamish type responses like
>"South Park sucks" or "you're an immature bastard for liking that movie",
>but some serious discussion here. It's one thing for a movie to
>flop....but it seems to me that at least movies that flop find their way
>into the top ten on their openning weekend....even "Dirty Work" made it
>into the top ten! I just don't understand how BASEketball could have done
>so horribly, considering it had lots of advertising and considering the
>popularity of South Park and Zucker Bros. films. Any insights would be
>appriciated...I'm just baffled.

Possible solutions to your bafflement:

People are tired of Zuckerisms.
People are tired of Southparkisms.
People are tired, by August, of sophomoric wit, such as it is.
People are tired of ads that give away 90 percent of "the good stuff."
People are tired of trailers that provide nothing, and deliver on it.
People see through trailers that are flops.
People see through trailers, period.
People are saving their money for "How Stella Got Her Groove Back."

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Alleigh

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On Thu, 6 Aug 1998 20:46:01 -0400, Virtua Flapper
<col...@river.it.gvsu.edu> wrote:

>
>I'm at a loss here. I don't want to hear any flamish type responses like
>"South Park sucks" or "you're an immature bastard for liking that movie",
>but some serious discussion here. It's one thing for a movie to
>flop....but it seems to me that at least movies that flop find their way
>into the top ten on their openning weekend....even "Dirty Work" made it
>into the top ten! I just don't understand how BASEketball could have done
>so horribly, considering it had lots of advertising and considering the
>popularity of South Park and Zucker Bros. films. Any insights would be
>appriciated...I'm just baffled.

I just think it didn't appeal to many people. Basically from the
previews and the press it looked immature and stupid. I think alot of
people probably had that same thought, and some probably decided not
to spend the $4-$8 on the ticket to see a movie that looked "stupid"
to them. I know you said not to mention the "South Park" and stuff -
but just because something is popular doesn't mean everything the
people involved in the popular show is going to bring in a crowd. So
basically I think it failed because the movie's aim was to a narrow
band of movie goers and really looked kinda stupid.

RyAnder23

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Plus it had NO female/date appeal. And all the teens who couldn't buy a
Baseketball ticket because it's Rated R just bought one for Dr. Dolittle and
then walked into the Basekeball showing.

GCarras

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>
>Basically, they created a movie nobody over 18 would want to see, then made
>it R, forcing the majority of the target audience to eith

Hmm.I was born in 1960..last timeI checked on December the 8th..(Sammy
Davis,Jr.'sb-day..) it was my 37trh b';day.

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> I'm at a loss here. <snip snip>


I just don't understand how BASEketball could have done
> so horribly, considering it had lots of advertising and considering the
> popularity of South Park and Zucker Bros. films. Any insights would be
> appriciated...I'm just baffled.

Basically, they created a movie nobody over 18 would want to see, then made

it R, forcing the majority of the target audience to either not be able to
see the movie, or to have to sneak in (so THAT'S why Zorro's box office
results doubled this week ;) Teen movies rated R, like Scream, had plenty of
adults lined up too, but this movie...

Of course, just seeing someone pretend to drink Marlon Brando's fat out of a
straw was probably enough to keep the majority of movie-going Americans away.

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Virtua Flapper wrote in message ...
> >I just don't understand how BASEketball could have done
> >so horribly, considering it had lots of advertising and considering the
> >popularity of South Park and Zucker Bros. films.

The premise made me go, "Huh?"

Maybe the premise made people go huh.

Dylan
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Wag the Frog

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Justin Siegel wrote in message <35CA9E...@sk.sympatico.ca>...

>GCarras wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >Basically, they created a movie nobody over 18 would want to see, then
made
>> >it R, forcing the majority of the target audience to eith
>>
>> Hmm.I was born in 1960..last timeI checked on December the 8th..(Sammy
>> Davis,Jr.'sb-day..) it was my 37trh b';day.
>
>You're *37* years old?! I could've sworn you were maybe 7 or 8 or
>something. Are you like Rain Man or something? You can't type for shit
>and your grammer leaves something to be desired, but you can like,
>calculate the square root of 238,593,754 in 10 milliseconds?
>
>Question: how much does a candy bar cost?


I think he's lying about his age. At Ieast I HOPE he's lying about his age.

UH OH, Jeopardy's on in five minutes.....

Brian John Wright

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Virtua Flapper (col...@river.it.gvsu.edu) wrote:

: I'm at a loss here. I don't want to hear any flamish type responses like


: "South Park sucks" or "you're an immature bastard for liking that movie",
: but some serious discussion here. It's one thing for a movie to
: flop....but it seems to me that at least movies that flop find their way
: into the top ten on their openning weekend....even "Dirty Work" made it

: into the top ten! I just don't understand how BASEketball could have done


: so horribly, considering it had lots of advertising and considering the

: popularity of South Park and Zucker Bros. films. Any insights would be
: appriciated...I'm just baffled.

Basically, for a few reasons.

One, is that it just looks fucking retarded. I don't mean
regular, run-of-the-mill bad, this looks absolutely painful.

Two, is that it's got the creators of South Park and
it's not South Park. (shrug) Even their fans don't really
care what they have to say or do outside of their cartoon.

Three, is that it's got a title that's just plain
embarrassing to say. Even though there's actually a movie
out there called _BASEketball_, saying the title makes you
look like a moron, even when you're referring to the film.
It's just something people don't want to be associated with.

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Virtua Flapper

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On 7 Aug 1998, Brian John Wright wrote:
> One, is that it just looks fucking retarded. I don't mean
> regular, run-of-the-mill bad, this looks absolutely painful.

That's what many people said about Armageddon and Godzilla, yet they still
managed to pull in some audience. Even Dirty Work ended up in the Top Ten
during it's opening week....I'm not saying this movie should have been
super-huge....it's just that I figured that it would at the very least be
in the top ten during it's opening week.

Icebreaker

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On Fri, 07 Aug 1998 02:54:54 GMT, jam...@my-dejanews.com wrote:


>Basically, they created a movie nobody over 18 would want to see, then made

>it R, forcing the majority of the target audience to either not be able to
>see the movie, or to have to sneak in (so THAT'S why Zorro's box office
>results doubled this week ;) Teen movies rated R, like Scream, had plenty of
>adults lined up too, but this movie...
>
>Of course, just seeing someone pretend to drink Marlon Brando's fat out of a
>straw was probably enough to keep the majority of movie-going Americans away.
>

You pretty much nailed it. Thrown in the fact that Parker and Stone
are not movie stars but producers of South Park and you have the
overal reason(s) why it failed. The drinking of the fat from Marlon
Brando sealed it for me. I'm definitely not going to see it.
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On Fri, 7 Aug 1998 16:58:26 -0400, Virtua Flapper
<col...@river.it.gvsu.edu> wrote:

>On 7 Aug 1998, Brian John Wright wrote:
>> One, is that it just looks fucking retarded. I don't mean
>> regular, run-of-the-mill bad, this looks absolutely painful.
>
>That's what many people said about Armageddon and Godzilla, yet they still
>managed to pull in some audience. Even Dirty Work ended up in the Top Ten
>during it's opening week....I'm not saying this movie should have been
>super-huge....it's just that I figured that it would at the very least be
>in the top ten during it's opening week.
>

But the thing that brought in viewers for Armaggeddon and Godzilla
were the stars (Bruce Willis - Armaggeddon) and the fact that Godzilla
has a following of fans. The only people that would go to BASKETball
either have (IMO) a strange sense of humor or those who watch "South
Park" - and I think that people would still rather pay the money to
see SPR (I didn't like it), Mask of Zorro....etc than the "stupid
looking" movie

ultimat...@hotmail.com

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Just one opinion.

LArry

Norman Wilner

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Icebreaker wrote in message <35cb70be...@news.mindspring.com>...

>On Fri, 07 Aug 1998 02:54:54 GMT, jam...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
>
>>Basically, they created a movie nobody over 18 would want to see, then made
>>it R, forcing the majority of the target audience to either not be able to
>>see the movie, or to have to sneak in (so THAT'S why Zorro's box office
>>results doubled this week ;) Teen movies rated R, like Scream, had plenty of
>>adults lined up too, but this movie...
>>
>>Of course, just seeing someone pretend to drink Marlon Brando's fat out of a
>>straw was probably enough to keep the majority of movie-going Americans away.
>>
>
>You pretty much nailed it. Thrown in the fact that Parker and Stone
>are not movie stars but producers of South Park and you have the
>overal reason(s) why it failed. The drinking of the fat from Marlon
>Brando sealed it for me. I'm definitely not going to see it.

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J. Lower

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In article <Pine.HPP.3.95.980806...@river.it.gvsu.edu>,
Virtua Flapper <col...@river.it.gvsu.edu> wrote:

> I'm at a loss here. I don't want to hear any flamish type responses like
> "South Park sucks" or "you're an immature bastard for liking that movie",
> but some serious discussion here. It's one thing for a movie to
> flop....but it seems to me that at least movies that flop find their way
> into the top ten on their openning weekend....even "Dirty Work" made it
> into the top ten! I just don't understand how BASEketball could have done
> so horribly, considering it had lots of advertising and considering the
> popularity of South Park and Zucker Bros. films. Any insights would be
> appriciated...I'm just baffled.

The explaination as far as I'm concerned and maybe for others as well is
that some movies look like they'll be just as good on video. This is one
of them.

My guess is it'll be on video by Christmas and I'll definately rent it
when it comes out. The trailers didn't grab me enough to pull me down to
the local mega-plex to stand in line to see it.

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Bobster123

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>From: jlo...@flnet.com (J. Lower) wrote:

>The explaination as far as I'm concerned and maybe for others as well is
>that some movies look like they'll be just as good on video. This is one
>of them.


Could the movie have flopped because people are just fed-up with professional
sports?


ultimat...@hotmail.com

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I think that was one of the messages of the movie.

Larry

GCarras

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><HTML><PRE>Subject: Re: BASEketball: Why did it flop SOOOO bad?
>From: ultimat...@hotmail.com
>Date: Fri, Aug 7, 1998 01:13 EDT
>Message-id: <35CA8D...@hotmail.com>

>
>I think people went into Baseketball expecting to see "Airplane" or
>something like that. What they got was a spoof about sports....not a
>direct send-up of lots of other movies (although there were movie send
>ups here, just not as blatant as, say, Jane Austins Mafia, Naked Gun, or
>Airplane.)
>
>What the movie was about was how sports stars are looked at as something
>more then human many times, and how we put these labels on them. This
>movie was not about 'sports movies' as much as it was about sports and
>the people who follow them.
>
>Back when "Last Action Hero" came out, it bombed. Bad. Why? Because
>everyone went expecting "Terminator", "Commando" or even "Conan". What
>they got was an action/comedy about the things that are funny in this
>genre of films.

Plus,regarding BASEketball,Jenny McCarthy and Yasmine Bleeth are a pair
o'foxes.

Tally ho!

GCarras

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>but you can like,
>calculate the square root of 238,593,754 in 10 milliseconds?
>
>Question: how much does a candy bar cost?
>
>

Hmmm..what KIND of candy bar..?:)

MIlky way..75 cents,...of course if you use wvending machine y'allcan get
lifesavers for the ITTY BITTY little olprice of 50 cents..:)
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GCarras

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>e:
>>>
>>> >
>>> >Basically, they created a movie nobody over 18 would want to see, then
>made
>>> >it R, forcing the majority of the target audience to eith
>>>
>>> Hmm.I was born in 1960..last timeI checked on December the 8th..(Sammy
>>> Davis,Jr.'sb-day..) it was my 37trh b';day.
>>
>>You're *37* years old?! I could've sworn you were maybe 7 or 8 or
>>something. Are you like Rain Man or something? You can't type for shit
>>and your grammer leaves something to be desired, but you can like,

>>calculate the square root of 238,593,754 in 10 milliseconds?
>>
>>Question: how much does a candy bar cost?
>
>
>I think he's lying about his age. At Ieast I HOPE he's lying about his age.
>
>UH OH, Jeopardy's on in five minutes.....

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Virtua Flapper wrote:
>
> I'm at a loss here. I don't want to hear any flamish type responses like
> "South Park sucks" or "you're an immature bastard for liking that movie",
> but some serious discussion here. It's one thing for a movie to
> flop....but it seems to me that at least movies that flop find their way
> into the top ten on their openning weekend....even "Dirty Work" made it
> into the top ten! I just don't understand how BASEketball could have done
> so horribly, considering it had lots of advertising and considering the
> popularity of South Park and Zucker Bros. films. Any insights would be
> appriciated...I'm just baffled.
>

maybe you should not expecting much from these braindead 'talents' in
the first place :-)

Alex Crouvier

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Because it is SOOOO bad?

Petibacsi

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Besides it entered the race in a very bad moment, when even good films got a
bite out of each other's gross.

Peti

Vozhd

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Apart from boasting the creators of South Park as actors (and who demanded
that?) BASEKETBALL's main selling point (I know this from advance ads that ran
in newspapers weeks before the opening) was the invention of a new sport. Not
exactly a major drawing card, eh? How many sports movies, much less sports
comedies, have been popular? You may cite BAD NEWS BEARS, MAJOR LEAGUE, or
BULL DURHAM, but I can't think of any others, and even in these, did the humor
focus on the sport itself, or the characters off field? With BASEKETBALL,
people probably thought they were going to see nothing but this new sport, with
the jokes shown in the ads going on on the sidelines. Its failure doesn't
surprise me.


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Virtua Flapper <col...@river.it.gvsu.edu> wrote:


>I'm at a loss here. I don't want to hear any flamish type responses like
>"South Park sucks" or "you're an immature bastard for liking that movie",
>but some serious discussion here. It's one thing for a movie to
>flop....but it seems to me that at least movies that flop find their way
>into the top ten on their openning weekend....even "Dirty Work" made it
>into the top ten! I just don't understand how BASEketball could have done
>so horribly, considering it had lots of advertising and considering the
>popularity of South Park and Zucker Bros. films. Any insights would be
>appriciated...I'm just baffled.


I think that ad that showed one of the duo drinking from a bag of
liposuctioned fat from Marlon Brando was too gross for people. It was
just too disgusting. I know every time I saw that I cringed and
changed the channel. No interest at all in seeing the movie.

Mr. Peabody


Icebreaker

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On Sun, 09 Aug 1998 17:46:55 GMT, sk...@mindspring.com (Mr. Peabody)
wrote:

This film may be an even bigger flop than Godzilla. By it's second
weekend BB had dropped 72 percent to a measly 320,000 dollars per
weekend day. What's so funny here is that PREMIERE said this film
would be in the top 10 this summer, with box office total somewhere
around $100 million or better.
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jam...@my-dejanews.com said:

>Of course, just seeing someone pretend to drink Marlon Brando's fat out of a
>straw was probably enough to keep the majority of movie-going Americans away.
>
>

I figure you meant this tongue in cheek to a certain extent, but I think you
are exactly right.

This was a rare guilty pleasure type of movie that actually had a lot of
critical kudos given to it pre-release. With that combo, shouldn't you be able
to please everybody? You'd think so, but...

I seriously think that the footage of drinking Marlon Brando's fat in the
commercials, while hilarious, was the reason this movie bombed like almost no
other.

BOB J. McCullough

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I CAN'T SAY FOR SURE BECAUSE I HAVE NOT YET SEEN IT. But I think it
flopped because from the previews and interviews with the stars, it
seems that these South Park guys are riding so high on their cartoon
success, that they think any project they touch will turn to gold.

Movies like Airplane and Naked Gun are well thought out and well acted
even though they are devil-may-care light hearted.

With Zucker and his experience behind BASEKETBALL they had a chance at
success, but these two South Park guys have not paid enough dues to
immediately think they are comic geniuses on the acting front.

Maybe in the future when they take on another acting role, they can
approach it with a little more caution and thought rather than expecting
that their every move is automattically a gut buster.


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In article <Pine.HPP.3.95.980806...@river.it.gvsu.edu>,

Virtua Flapper <col...@river.it.gvsu.edu> wrote:
>
> I'm at a loss here. I don't want to hear any flamish type responses like
> "South Park sucks" or "you're an immature bastard for liking that movie",
> but some serious discussion here. It's one thing for a movie to
> flop....but it seems to me that at least movies that flop find their way
> into the top ten on their openning weekend....even "Dirty Work" made it
> into the top ten! I just don't understand how BASEketball could have done
> so horribly, considering it had lots of advertising and considering the
> popularity of South Park and Zucker Bros. films. Any insights would be
> appriciated...I'm just baffled.


I'll give my thoughts on why baseketball flopped. Basically, the trailers
absoutely suck. They are not funny at all. They make the movie looked
painfully un-funny. "Dude?" "Dude." "Dude?" "Dude." "Dude?". This awful
scene is the highlight of the trailer..

I heard from those who saw Basketball that the movie is very funny, but that
most of the gags are too racy to be shown on the ads. And that's a shame,
really... I really think that hurt the movie.

"There's Something About Mary" had a lot of racy jokes too. But luckily it
had the dog scene. The dog scene got HUGE laughs every time the trailer came
up in the theater..

But there's just not a single part of the Baseketball trailer that makes you
laugh..

Anna Foley

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Aug 10, 1998, 3:00:00 AM8/10/98
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The Title, man. It's gotta be the Title.

mor...@hotmail.com

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Aug 10, 1998, 3:00:00 AM8/10/98
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In article <6qkn8f$d0j$1...@samsara0.mindspring.com>,

sk...@mindspring.com wrote:
> Virtua Flapper <col...@river.it.gvsu.edu> wrote:
>
> >I'm at a loss here. I don't want to hear any flamish type responses like
> >"South Park sucks" or "you're an immature bastard for liking that movie",
> >but some serious discussion here. It's one thing for a movie to
> >flop....but it seems to me that at least movies that flop find their way
> >into the top ten on their openning weekend....even "Dirty Work" made it
> >into the top ten!


Because it was a stupid movie........Plain and simple.... I wouldn't shell
out even $3 on cheap seat night for it... people aren't interested in
gross-out jokes, visual gags that are over the top, fart jokes, etc.......
unless you're about 8 years old .....and then the movie was rated R... so
other than sneaking in no one is going to pay for it..

Virtua Flapper

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Aug 10, 1998, 3:00:00 AM8/10/98
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On Sat, 8 Aug 1998, Alex Crouvier wrote:
> Because it is SOOOO bad?

Did you see it Alex? If not, I don't think it's your place to make that
kind of assesment.

Jwo...@aol.com

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Aug 10, 1998, 3:00:00 AM8/10/98
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>
> I heard from those who saw Basketball that the movie is very funny, but that
> most of the gags are too racy to be shown on the ads. And that's a shame,
> really... I really think that hurt the movie.

What is the dili with this movie is it funny or not? I have pretty much
enjoyed every Zucker flick up till now but I am hearing such mixed
reviews. I read at http://studentadvantage.com/entertainment/film/ that
the flick had some funny scenes but did not even come close to past
Zuckers or South Park. To be honest I actually like the Naked Gun series
more than South Park but that is off the point. Everytime I see
Airplane! I find something new and I will always cry in the Disco scene.
Someone convince me why I shouldn't just watch that again.

Ye Chen

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Aug 10, 1998, 3:00:00 AM8/10/98
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I too though that BASEketball will do pretty well -- at least
Mafia!!! level. I also noticed that when the movie came out, the best
review it could get was 2 stars.

Personally, I liked the trailer (forgive me! I really though that
the 'sign on the breasts' gag) up until the moment the guy did his "King
of the World" remark. That gag not only was tasteless, it had some
really bad timing/editing.

Anyway, I also overestimate the skill of that "Hellenback" moron in
AICN. I though although I wouldn't see the movie, Hellenmoron at least
represent some amount of movie geeks. It turns out that he represent
nothing.

I give the disaster BO to these 2 factors:

a> T S A Mary and Mafia. Look what that Crappy Impact did in an early
release.

b> Premier. It predicted that flick will do 6th 7th ARE YOU KIDDING
ME? It must ticked off everybody. I mean everybody. Most critics must
get up all night to come up with fresh way to trush this movie.

CY


tracki...@hotmail.com

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Aug 11, 1998, 3:00:00 AM8/11/98
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>
> Because it was a stupid movie........Plain and simple.... I wouldn't shell
> out even $3 on cheap seat night for it... people aren't interested in
> gross-out jokes, visual gags that are over the top, fart jokes, etc.......
> unless you're about 8 years old .....and then the movie was rated R... so
> other than sneaking in no one is going to pay for it..

Ahem??? Excuse me? I think you're describing "There's Something About Mary"
here, more than "BASEketball". So maybe the title sucked, and maybe the
trailer looked bad, but at least I found it funny. Every critic out there
found that "Mary" was really hilarious, so I went, and it almost ruined my
afternoon! That's the movie that was REALLY tasteless IMO. What was there to
laugh at, I really would like to know! Anyway, I glad I spent my money on
"BASEketball", though I must admit, if I didn't know "South Park", I would
not have gone. It looked pretty stupid from the previews. Still, AT LEAST the
funniest gags weren't in the trailer, which is what annoyed the hell out of
me with "Mary". When you spend your ride back home asking yourself how it
could have been funnier, there is definitely something wrong!! I'm sure
staying away from "Wrongly Accused" though, talk about a stupid movie! If
that doesn't look like a no-brainer, something that looks like torture to
watch, I don't know what does...

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Aug 12, 1998, 3:00:00 AM8/12/98
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In article <6qop5h$6rt$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, tracki...@hotmail.com wrote:

> >
> > Because it was a stupid movie........Plain and simple.... I
wouldn't shell
> > out even $3 on cheap seat night for it... people aren't interested in
> > gross-out jokes, visual gags that are over the top, fart jokes, etc.......
> > unless you're about 8 years old .....and then the movie was rated R... so
> > other than sneaking in no one is going to pay for it..
>
> Ahem??? Excuse me? I think you're describing "There's Something About Mary"
> here, more than "BASEketball". So maybe the title sucked, and maybe the
> trailer looked bad, but at least I found it funny. Every critic out there
> found that "Mary" was really hilarious, so I went, and it almost ruined my
> afternoon! That's the movie that was REALLY tasteless IMO. What was there to
> laugh at, I really would like to know! Anyway, I glad I spent my money on
> "BASEketball", though I must admit, if I didn't know "South Park", I would
> not have gone. It looked pretty stupid from the previews. Still, AT LEAST the
> funniest gags weren't in the trailer, which is what annoyed the hell out of
> me with "Mary". When you spend your ride back home asking yourself how it
> could have been funnier, there is definitely something wrong!! I'm sure
> staying away from "Wrongly Accused" though, talk about a stupid movie! If
> that doesn't look like a no-brainer, something that looks like torture to
> watch, I don't know what does...

I liked "Mary" so screw you.

No, actually, I saw Mary before the ads started giving everything away - I
knew it featured three people who I think are funny enough individually to
merit giving a flick a try - but who the hell is the current ad supposed
to be attracting (the one with dumbasses karaokeing their way thru the
Buttercup song)?

Along the same lines, about the Baseket ads - if you don't put the
funniest stuff (or most exciting, or most romantic, etc)in the trailer,
nobody will trust that anything good is in the actual flick. I know when I
saw the Baseket ads, all I could think was - there's nothing funny here,
therefore there's nothing funny in the movie. If I hadn't seen ANY
trailers or ads, I would've been more likely to go. The trailers literally
kept me away from the theatre.

Joel Mack

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Aug 18, 1998, 3:00:00 AM8/18/98
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Justin Siegel <jus...@sk.sympatico.ca> wrote:
: You're *37* years old?! I could've sworn you were maybe 7 or 8 or
: something. Are you like Rain Man or something? You can't type for shit
: and your grammer leaves something to be desired, but you can like,
: calculate the square root of 238,593,754 in 10 milliseconds?

Whoah! Age and grammar/typing slams. You must be quite the hero to your
elementary school chums.

: Question: how much does a candy bar cost?

Why? Can't you read the numbers on the candy machine for yourself?
Just ask mommy for a dollar.


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