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What the movie was about was how sports stars are looked at as something
more then human many times, and how we put these labels on them. This
movie was not about 'sports movies' as much as it was about sports and
the people who follow them.
Back when "Last Action Hero" came out, it bombed. Bad. Why? Because
everyone went expecting "Terminator", "Commando" or even "Conan". What
they got was an action/comedy about the things that are funny in this
genre of films.
Take a look at "Dracula: Dead and Loving It". Most people expected
another "Young Frankenstien". But, YF looked at an entire genre and
poked fun at it. It did not just aim at Frankenstien.
But...D:D andLI aimed at one place...The Dracula movie that had just
come out. It did not really aim around and pick different movies, it
shot at one thing....and because of that it failed.
People are not tired of spoof, parody or low brow humor. We probably
never will tire of it, because we like to find fun with what we love.
How long do you think it will be before "Saving Private Ryan" gets
targeted?
The first episode of SNL? The second? Or maybe some other show will do
it. But it will happen.
Baseketball was a funny film, dealing with sports and the people who
enjoy them. If people looked at it like that, I don't think it would
have missed with it's audience.
Just me opinion.
LArry
You're *37* years old?! I could've sworn you were maybe 7 or 8 or
something. Are you like Rain Man or something? You can't type for shit
and your grammer leaves something to be desired, but you can like,
calculate the square root of 238,593,754 in 10 milliseconds?
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(Expected answer: "'bout a hundred dollars.")
The only thing I can come up with is that it was OVERadvertised (I'm sure
that's a word). It's like that Playing God movie that bombed so bad. They
can overdue it with TV ads sometimes. Plus, well, it looks like a shit
movie.
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>I'm at a loss here. I don't want to hear any flamish type responses like
>"South Park sucks" or "you're an immature bastard for liking that movie",
>but some serious discussion here. It's one thing for a movie to
>flop....but it seems to me that at least movies that flop find their way
>into the top ten on their openning weekend....even "Dirty Work" made it
>into the top ten! I just don't understand how BASEketball could have done
>so horribly, considering it had lots of advertising and considering the
>popularity of South Park and Zucker Bros. films. Any insights would be
>appriciated...I'm just baffled.
Possible solutions to your bafflement:
People are tired of Zuckerisms.
People are tired of Southparkisms.
People are tired, by August, of sophomoric wit, such as it is.
People are tired of ads that give away 90 percent of "the good stuff."
People are tired of trailers that provide nothing, and deliver on it.
People see through trailers that are flops.
People see through trailers, period.
People are saving their money for "How Stella Got Her Groove Back."
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>I'm at a loss here. I don't want to hear any flamish type responses like
>"South Park sucks" or "you're an immature bastard for liking that movie",
>but some serious discussion here. It's one thing for a movie to
>flop....but it seems to me that at least movies that flop find their way
>into the top ten on their openning weekend....even "Dirty Work" made it
>into the top ten! I just don't understand how BASEketball could have done
>so horribly, considering it had lots of advertising and considering the
>popularity of South Park and Zucker Bros. films. Any insights would be
>appriciated...I'm just baffled.
I just think it didn't appeal to many people. Basically from the
previews and the press it looked immature and stupid. I think alot of
people probably had that same thought, and some probably decided not
to spend the $4-$8 on the ticket to see a movie that looked "stupid"
to them. I know you said not to mention the "South Park" and stuff -
but just because something is popular doesn't mean everything the
people involved in the popular show is going to bring in a crowd. So
basically I think it failed because the movie's aim was to a narrow
band of movie goers and really looked kinda stupid.
Hmm.I was born in 1960..last timeI checked on December the 8th..(Sammy
Davis,Jr.'sb-day..) it was my 37trh b';day.
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> I'm at a loss here. <snip snip>
I just don't understand how BASEketball could have done
> so horribly, considering it had lots of advertising and considering the
> popularity of South Park and Zucker Bros. films. Any insights would be
> appriciated...I'm just baffled.
Basically, they created a movie nobody over 18 would want to see, then made
it R, forcing the majority of the target audience to either not be able to
see the movie, or to have to sneak in (so THAT'S why Zorro's box office
results doubled this week ;) Teen movies rated R, like Scream, had plenty of
adults lined up too, but this movie...
Of course, just seeing someone pretend to drink Marlon Brando's fat out of a
straw was probably enough to keep the majority of movie-going Americans away.
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The premise made me go, "Huh?"
Maybe the premise made people go huh.
Dylan
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I think he's lying about his age. At Ieast I HOPE he's lying about his age.
UH OH, Jeopardy's on in five minutes.....
: I'm at a loss here. I don't want to hear any flamish type responses like
: "South Park sucks" or "you're an immature bastard for liking that movie",
: but some serious discussion here. It's one thing for a movie to
: flop....but it seems to me that at least movies that flop find their way
: into the top ten on their openning weekend....even "Dirty Work" made it
: into the top ten! I just don't understand how BASEketball could have done
: so horribly, considering it had lots of advertising and considering the
: popularity of South Park and Zucker Bros. films. Any insights would be
: appriciated...I'm just baffled.
Basically, for a few reasons.
One, is that it just looks fucking retarded. I don't mean
regular, run-of-the-mill bad, this looks absolutely painful.
Two, is that it's got the creators of South Park and
it's not South Park. (shrug) Even their fans don't really
care what they have to say or do outside of their cartoon.
Three, is that it's got a title that's just plain
embarrassing to say. Even though there's actually a movie
out there called _BASEketball_, saying the title makes you
look like a moron, even when you're referring to the film.
It's just something people don't want to be associated with.
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That's what many people said about Armageddon and Godzilla, yet they still
managed to pull in some audience. Even Dirty Work ended up in the Top Ten
during it's opening week....I'm not saying this movie should have been
super-huge....it's just that I figured that it would at the very least be
in the top ten during it's opening week.
>Basically, they created a movie nobody over 18 would want to see, then made
>it R, forcing the majority of the target audience to either not be able to
>see the movie, or to have to sneak in (so THAT'S why Zorro's box office
>results doubled this week ;) Teen movies rated R, like Scream, had plenty of
>adults lined up too, but this movie...
>
>Of course, just seeing someone pretend to drink Marlon Brando's fat out of a
>straw was probably enough to keep the majority of movie-going Americans away.
>
You pretty much nailed it. Thrown in the fact that Parker and Stone
are not movie stars but producers of South Park and you have the
overal reason(s) why it failed. The drinking of the fat from Marlon
Brando sealed it for me. I'm definitely not going to see it.
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>On 7 Aug 1998, Brian John Wright wrote:
>> One, is that it just looks fucking retarded. I don't mean
>> regular, run-of-the-mill bad, this looks absolutely painful.
>
>That's what many people said about Armageddon and Godzilla, yet they still
>managed to pull in some audience. Even Dirty Work ended up in the Top Ten
>during it's opening week....I'm not saying this movie should have been
>super-huge....it's just that I figured that it would at the very least be
>in the top ten during it's opening week.
>
But the thing that brought in viewers for Armaggeddon and Godzilla
were the stars (Bruce Willis - Armaggeddon) and the fact that Godzilla
has a following of fans. The only people that would go to BASKETball
either have (IMO) a strange sense of humor or those who watch "South
Park" - and I think that people would still rather pay the money to
see SPR (I didn't like it), Mask of Zorro....etc than the "stupid
looking" movie
Just one opinion.
LArry
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> I'm at a loss here. I don't want to hear any flamish type responses like
> "South Park sucks" or "you're an immature bastard for liking that movie",
> but some serious discussion here. It's one thing for a movie to
> flop....but it seems to me that at least movies that flop find their way
> into the top ten on their openning weekend....even "Dirty Work" made it
> into the top ten! I just don't understand how BASEketball could have done
> so horribly, considering it had lots of advertising and considering the
> popularity of South Park and Zucker Bros. films. Any insights would be
> appriciated...I'm just baffled.
The explaination as far as I'm concerned and maybe for others as well is
that some movies look like they'll be just as good on video. This is one
of them.
My guess is it'll be on video by Christmas and I'll definately rent it
when it comes out. The trailers didn't grab me enough to pull me down to
the local mega-plex to stand in line to see it.
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>The explaination as far as I'm concerned and maybe for others as well is
>that some movies look like they'll be just as good on video. This is one
>of them.
Could the movie have flopped because people are just fed-up with professional
sports?
Larry
Plus,regarding BASEketball,Jenny McCarthy and Yasmine Bleeth are a pair
o'foxes.
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>I'm at a loss here. I don't want to hear any flamish type responses like
>"South Park sucks" or "you're an immature bastard for liking that movie",
>but some serious discussion here. It's one thing for a movie to
>flop....but it seems to me that at least movies that flop find their way
>into the top ten on their openning weekend....even "Dirty Work" made it
>into the top ten! I just don't understand how BASEketball could have done
>so horribly, considering it had lots of advertising and considering the
>popularity of South Park and Zucker Bros. films. Any insights would be
>appriciated...I'm just baffled.
I think that ad that showed one of the duo drinking from a bag of
liposuctioned fat from Marlon Brando was too gross for people. It was
just too disgusting. I know every time I saw that I cringed and
changed the channel. No interest at all in seeing the movie.
Mr. Peabody
This film may be an even bigger flop than Godzilla. By it's second
weekend BB had dropped 72 percent to a measly 320,000 dollars per
weekend day. What's so funny here is that PREMIERE said this film
would be in the top 10 this summer, with box office total somewhere
around $100 million or better.
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>Of course, just seeing someone pretend to drink Marlon Brando's fat out of a
>straw was probably enough to keep the majority of movie-going Americans away.
>
>
I figure you meant this tongue in cheek to a certain extent, but I think you
are exactly right.
This was a rare guilty pleasure type of movie that actually had a lot of
critical kudos given to it pre-release. With that combo, shouldn't you be able
to please everybody? You'd think so, but...
I seriously think that the footage of drinking Marlon Brando's fat in the
commercials, while hilarious, was the reason this movie bombed like almost no
other.
Movies like Airplane and Naked Gun are well thought out and well acted
even though they are devil-may-care light hearted.
With Zucker and his experience behind BASEKETBALL they had a chance at
success, but these two South Park guys have not paid enough dues to
immediately think they are comic geniuses on the acting front.
Maybe in the future when they take on another acting role, they can
approach it with a little more caution and thought rather than expecting
that their every move is automattically a gut buster.
I'll give my thoughts on why baseketball flopped. Basically, the trailers
absoutely suck. They are not funny at all. They make the movie looked
painfully un-funny. "Dude?" "Dude." "Dude?" "Dude." "Dude?". This awful
scene is the highlight of the trailer..
I heard from those who saw Basketball that the movie is very funny, but that
most of the gags are too racy to be shown on the ads. And that's a shame,
really... I really think that hurt the movie.
"There's Something About Mary" had a lot of racy jokes too. But luckily it
had the dog scene. The dog scene got HUGE laughs every time the trailer came
up in the theater..
But there's just not a single part of the Baseketball trailer that makes you
laugh..
Because it was a stupid movie........Plain and simple.... I wouldn't shell
out even $3 on cheap seat night for it... people aren't interested in
gross-out jokes, visual gags that are over the top, fart jokes, etc.......
unless you're about 8 years old .....and then the movie was rated R... so
other than sneaking in no one is going to pay for it..
Did you see it Alex? If not, I don't think it's your place to make that
kind of assesment.
Personally, I liked the trailer (forgive me! I really though that
the 'sign on the breasts' gag) up until the moment the guy did his "King
of the World" remark. That gag not only was tasteless, it had some
really bad timing/editing.
Anyway, I also overestimate the skill of that "Hellenback" moron in
AICN. I though although I wouldn't see the movie, Hellenmoron at least
represent some amount of movie geeks. It turns out that he represent
nothing.
I give the disaster BO to these 2 factors:
a> T S A Mary and Mafia. Look what that Crappy Impact did in an early
release.
b> Premier. It predicted that flick will do 6th 7th ARE YOU KIDDING
ME? It must ticked off everybody. I mean everybody. Most critics must
get up all night to come up with fresh way to trush this movie.
CY
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> Because it was a stupid movie........Plain and simple.... I wouldn't shell
> out even $3 on cheap seat night for it... people aren't interested in
> gross-out jokes, visual gags that are over the top, fart jokes, etc.......
> unless you're about 8 years old .....and then the movie was rated R... so
> other than sneaking in no one is going to pay for it..
Ahem??? Excuse me? I think you're describing "There's Something About Mary"
here, more than "BASEketball". So maybe the title sucked, and maybe the
trailer looked bad, but at least I found it funny. Every critic out there
found that "Mary" was really hilarious, so I went, and it almost ruined my
afternoon! That's the movie that was REALLY tasteless IMO. What was there to
laugh at, I really would like to know! Anyway, I glad I spent my money on
"BASEketball", though I must admit, if I didn't know "South Park", I would
not have gone. It looked pretty stupid from the previews. Still, AT LEAST the
funniest gags weren't in the trailer, which is what annoyed the hell out of
me with "Mary". When you spend your ride back home asking yourself how it
could have been funnier, there is definitely something wrong!! I'm sure
staying away from "Wrongly Accused" though, talk about a stupid movie! If
that doesn't look like a no-brainer, something that looks like torture to
watch, I don't know what does...
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> > Because it was a stupid movie........Plain and simple.... I
wouldn't shell
> > out even $3 on cheap seat night for it... people aren't interested in
> > gross-out jokes, visual gags that are over the top, fart jokes, etc.......
> > unless you're about 8 years old .....and then the movie was rated R... so
> > other than sneaking in no one is going to pay for it..
>
> Ahem??? Excuse me? I think you're describing "There's Something About Mary"
> here, more than "BASEketball". So maybe the title sucked, and maybe the
> trailer looked bad, but at least I found it funny. Every critic out there
> found that "Mary" was really hilarious, so I went, and it almost ruined my
> afternoon! That's the movie that was REALLY tasteless IMO. What was there to
> laugh at, I really would like to know! Anyway, I glad I spent my money on
> "BASEketball", though I must admit, if I didn't know "South Park", I would
> not have gone. It looked pretty stupid from the previews. Still, AT LEAST the
> funniest gags weren't in the trailer, which is what annoyed the hell out of
> me with "Mary". When you spend your ride back home asking yourself how it
> could have been funnier, there is definitely something wrong!! I'm sure
> staying away from "Wrongly Accused" though, talk about a stupid movie! If
> that doesn't look like a no-brainer, something that looks like torture to
> watch, I don't know what does...
I liked "Mary" so screw you.
No, actually, I saw Mary before the ads started giving everything away - I
knew it featured three people who I think are funny enough individually to
merit giving a flick a try - but who the hell is the current ad supposed
to be attracting (the one with dumbasses karaokeing their way thru the
Buttercup song)?
Along the same lines, about the Baseket ads - if you don't put the
funniest stuff (or most exciting, or most romantic, etc)in the trailer,
nobody will trust that anything good is in the actual flick. I know when I
saw the Baseket ads, all I could think was - there's nothing funny here,
therefore there's nothing funny in the movie. If I hadn't seen ANY
trailers or ads, I would've been more likely to go. The trailers literally
kept me away from the theatre.
Whoah! Age and grammar/typing slams. You must be quite the hero to your
elementary school chums.
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Why? Can't you read the numbers on the candy machine for yourself?
Just ask mommy for a dollar.