American Beauty - a question about Angela/Suvari
Lennie Augustine
I finally saw American Beauty last night. My fiance and I have a
difference of opinion about one issue - is Angela Hayes (Mena Suvari)
*actually* a virgin or did she just tell Lester (Spacek) that she was
to stop the act that was about to happen?
On the one hand, she talks about sex the whole way through, including
apparently graphic details to Jane. And she seems smart enough to know
that Lester would probably back off on hearing that she was a virgin.
On the other hand, she seems genuine in her reactions to Lester during
that scene and in the one immediately after when her and Lester are
talking.
I never even considered that she was lying to Lester and my fiance
never considered that she wasn't until we talked about it later. We've
considered that our gender might be a factor in our reactions.
LA
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difference of opinion about one issue - is Angela Hayes (Mena Suvari)
*actually* a virgin or did she just tell Lester (Spacek) that she was
to stop the act that was about to happen?>>
Her act around Lester's daughter was just that -- an act.
Michael
damnfine
> I finally saw American Beauty last night. My fiance and I have a
> difference of opinion about one issue - is Angela Hayes (Mena Suvari)
> *actually* a virgin or did she just tell Lester (Spacek) that she was
> to stop the act that was about to happen?
Yes, she was actually a virgin and that was clear from quite early in the movie. Her
constant sex chatter was extremely indicative of insecurity and denial.
--
Damnfine,
"I wear the cheese, it does not wear me." - Cheese Guy
Bjorn Olson
Lennie Augustine <laugu...@my-deja.com> wrote:
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> I finally saw American Beauty last night. My fiance and I have a
> difference of opinion about one issue - is Angela Hayes (Mena Suvari)
> *actually* a virgin or did she just tell Lester (Spacek) that she was
> to stop the act that was about to happen?
>
> On the one hand, she talks about sex the whole way through, including
> apparently graphic details to Jane. And she seems smart enough to
know
> that Lester would probably back off on hearing that she was a virgin.
>
> On the other hand, she seems genuine in her reactions to Lester during
> that scene and in the one immediately after when her and Lester are
> talking.
>
> I never even considered that she was lying to Lester and my fiance
> never considered that she wasn't until we talked about it later.
We've
> considered that our gender might be a factor in our reactions.
>
She was definitely a virgin. It goes along with that whole "look
closer" theme, things not being what they seem and all. Lester had
this elaborate conception of what kind of girl Angela was, and his
whole 'youthful rebellion' was intended to lead up to the point where
he would finally bed this object of pure lust, only to find out she was
a frightened, inexperienced little girl, bringing his rock n' roll
fantasy crashing down. It's become trendy to bash AMERICAN BEAUTY, but
I thought it was quite incisive in this respect.
--
Bjorn "I rule" Olson
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"It's been a bloody stupid day."
starfish
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> I finally saw American Beauty last night. My fiance and I have a
> difference of opinion about one issue - is Angela Hayes (Mena Suvari)
> *actually* a virgin or did she just tell Lester (Spacek) that she was
> to stop the act that was about to happen?
I assumed immediately that she was lying. She'd manipulated him up to that
point; why stop there?
But I don't think she wanted him to stop.
Rotifer
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> I finally saw American Beauty last night. My fiance and I have a
> difference of opinion about one issue - is Angela Hayes (Mena Suvari)
> *actually* a virgin or did she just tell Lester (Spacek) that she was
> to stop the act that was about to happen?
>
> apparently graphic details to Jane. And she seems smart enough to know
> that Lester would probably back off on hearing that she was a virgin.
>
> On the other hand, she seems genuine in her reactions to Lester during
> that scene and in the one immediately after when her and Lester are
> talking.
>
> I never even considered that she was lying to Lester and my fiance
> never considered that she wasn't until we talked about it later. We've
> considered that our gender might be a factor in our reactions.
>
>
the truth. and it awakens lester to the divide that separates them and the
very necessity of different social roles with varying responsibilities. it
reignites the meaning of being a father, an older man--a mature person--in
his conscience.
sand...@my-deja.com
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I just saw American Beauty and was wondering about a few of the events
in the final sequences of the film.
I should rewatch the ending to verify that the person shooting Lester
was his wife as my recollection indicates this, as does her behavior.
BUT-- there was a short flash of Colonel Fitts with blood all over his
tee shirt.
So one question is forensic related-- if shot in the back of the
head would blood discharge backwards towards the shooter as well as
forwards? If so this would indicate that the Colonel was the killer (and
there can be little disagreement that he had his own personal motives to
carry out such a deed).
If the above is the case then the wife may have entered the house and
found Lester already dead. She then might have run up to the closet,
tossed her gun into the hamper, and cried into the clothes,
thoroughly upset by her own breakdown and the bloody scene she came
home to.
So, would someone be kind enough to verify for me who's hand holds the
gun before it is fired? Or is only the barrel visible? If this is the
case then the filmaker would seem to be leaving the determination of
who murdered Lester in an ambiguous state and up to the viewer to
decide.
Thanks for clarification!
damnfine
It was Colonel Fitts that shot Lester... the movie clearly showed his wife standing
outside in the rain at the time the shot went off.
> So one question is forensic related-- if shot in the back of the
> head would blood discharge backwards towards the shooter as well as
> forwards?
At that range? Every damn direction. ;)
> So, would someone be kind enough to verify for me who's hand holds the
> gun before it is fired? Or is only the barrel visible? If this is the
> case then the filmaker would seem to be leaving the determination of
> who murdered Lester in an ambiguous state and up to the viewer to
> decide.
Sorry man, you're REALLY overthinking this one. The movie is NOT a murder mystery, and
while Colonel Fitts was certainly the killer, it's pretty irrelevant anyway.
--
Damnfine,
"My face is beautiful, my skin is flawless, and my breasts are
firm and bouncy. Men dream of me when they go home and
have sex with their wives." - Anna Kournikova
Jason McNorton
> head would blood discharge backwards towards the shooter as well as
> there can be little disagreement that he had his own personal motives to
> carry out such a deed).
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> If the above is the case then the wife may have entered the house and
> found Lester already dead. She then might have run up to the closet,
> tossed her gun into the hamper, and cried into the clothes,
> thoroughly upset by her own breakdown and the bloody scene she came
> home to.
>
> gun before it is fired? Or is only the barrel visible? If this is the
> case then the filmaker would seem to be leaving the determination of
> who murdered Lester in an ambiguous state and up to the viewer to
> decide.
>
I think it's fairly clear that it's the gay Fitts who does it.
I'm not sure if the blood would cover him like that in real life, but
it's certainly the intention. I don't think the wife really intended on
killing him, as her reaction when she saw his clothes.
Overall, I think the film leads you to think that the authorities would
have a tough time deciding who did it. The daughter, with a confession
basically on film. The wife with the gun. The neighbor probably had
the least motivation of them all.
But, of course, it's left open ended like that..
Chris Borg
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missing from the col. gun case.
> It was Colonel Fitts that shot Lester... the movie clearly showed his wife standing
> outside in the rain at the time the shot went off.
> > So one question is forensic related-- if shot in the back of the
> > head would blood discharge backwards towards the shooter as well as
> > forwards?
> At that range? Every damn direction. ;)
> > So, would someone be kind enough to verify for me who's hand holds the
> > gun before it is fired? Or is only the barrel visible? If this is the
> > case then the filmaker would seem to be leaving the determination of
> > who murdered Lester in an ambiguous state and up to the viewer to
> > decide.
> Sorry man, you're REALLY overthinking this one. The movie is NOT a murder mystery, and
geo swan
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> I think it's fairly clear that it's the gay Fitts who does it.
> I'm not sure if the blood would cover him like that in real life, but
> it's certainly the intention. I don't think the wife really intended on
> killing him, as her reaction when she saw his clothes.
> Overall, I think the film leads you to think that the authorities would
> have a tough time deciding who did it. The daughter, with a confession
> basically on film. The wife with the gun. The neighbor probably had
> the least motivation of them all.
> But, of course, it's left open ended like that..
The daughter is on the son's video-tape, asking
the Colonel's son to kill Lester. The colonel
found some of his son's tapes, and may have
found that one. He now hated the son. I
believe his son had handled the murder weapon.
Didn't he show it to Lester's daughter?
Ballistics would show which gun did the deed.
My recollection is that Lester's wife gave
every indication that she was thinking very
seriously about killing him.
Hot4Hose
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>> I think it's fairly clear that it's the gay Fitts who does it.
"Fairly clear" should probably read "blindingly obvious."
sand...@my-deja.com
down to the detail of showing his gun display cabinet with a missing
space. Also, the murder weapon was a silver pistol and it looked like
the wife had a revolver.
> >> I think it's fairly clear that it's the gay Fitts who does it.
>
> "Fairly clear" should probably read "blindingly obvious."
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Ed-D
> I never even considered that she was lying to Lester and my fiance
> never considered that she wasn't until we talked about it later.
We've
> considered that our gender might be a factor in our reactions.
>
Uh..yes. And I'll tell you how: Men are smarter and more realistic
than women. Only a woman can have that kind of reaction to something
that was that obvious.
> LA
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Lester and Ricky during the final scene when Lester quotes that his last
waking moment is a dancing bag with the exact phrase used by Ricky
earlier in the film. Just rented it last night for the first time.
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