Kill Bill: Best Movie Ever Made?
David Mills
The only ones that I can think of that are even close are:
-Schlinder's List
-The Godfather
-The Silence of the Lambs
-Scarface
-One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest
-The Usual Suspects
-Pulp Fiction
-Goodfellas
-Seven
Can anyone think of a movie that is better than Kill Bill? Neither could I.
nightwriter
american beauty was amazing.
dune
withnail and i
star wars
lord of the rings
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Buckaroo Banzai
movies???
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RogerM
I can. Hundreds of them.
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Crown Triple
>From: davidm...@yahoo.com (David Mills)
yes of course it is..... but just to be on
the safe side....did you take your meds
today ? : )
Mike O'Sullivan
No, but "Ishtar" was close!
Ron
davidm...@yahoo.com (David Mills) wrote:
> I think it would be hard to find a movie that is better than Kill Bill.
> The only ones that I can think of that are even close are:
<list snipped>
You need to see more movies.
Derek Janssen
(Gee, and he didn't go for the lame "trademark" Shaggy D.A. or Ghosts of
Mars jokes this time, either--
So why the heck DID he post it??)
Derek Janssen
dja...@rcn.com
James Neibaur
davidm...@yahoo.com wrote on 10/13/03 10:31 AM:
> I think it would be hard to find a movie that is better than Kill Bill.
> The only ones that I can think of that are even close are:
>
> -Schlinder's List
> -The Godfather
> -The Silence of the Lambs
> -Scarface
> -One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest
> -The Usual Suspects
> -Pulp Fiction
> -Goodfellas
> -Seven
Are we only to consider movies that go back as far as 1975?
JN
massivegrooves
Banzai at black...@yahoo.com wrote on 10/13/03 12:18 PM:
> Gee David, I thought "The Shaggy DA" and "Ghosts of Mars" were the best
> movies???
Really, I was thinking the same thing ;0)
Snail
oen. But here's some that are around the level of goodness that Kill Bill
has so amazingly acheived:
Fight Club
Blue Velvet
Terminator 2
Mulholland Drive
The Substitute
By the way, Usual Suspects kind of sucks.
-Snail
Example
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you discredited your opinion when you said that.
example
>
> -Snail
David Mills
> Gee David, I thought "The Shaggy DA" and "Ghosts of Mars" were the best
> movies???
>
Buck, that is a good point, I should add them on to my list. Thanks
for correcting me.
Mi...@hotmail.com
David M. Geshwind
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Isn't that how QT does it?
-- dmg
David M. Geshwind
"the emoticon is implicit"
Hostile 17
Bill.
> The only ones that I can think of that are even close are:
>
> Can anyone think of a movie that is better than Kill Bill? Neither
could I.
True Romance. And TR was even written by Tarantino - you'll notice among
the many homages to his own earlier films in KB, that the Elvis glasses
also make an appearance. Ah, True Romance, a veritable chronicling of my
unrequited love for Patricia Arquette...
The original Highlander film (all the sequels sucked) would also get my
vote, as it's a favorite from my teen years.
--
John
"It takes a big man to cry, but it takes a bigger man to laugh at that
man."
- from Deep Thoughts
by Jack Handey
Buckaroo Banzai
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> So it's good in spite of Uma being in it?
What've you got against Uma?
MC
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I know what of hers I'd like to have against me.
Skye
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If you couldn't get into the movie that's not his fault. Or maybe you just
don't like movies that make you think.
How about Memento?
coming to America
reservoir dogs
Romeo & Juliet
Saving Private Ryan
The sixth Sense
Spirited Away
Trainspotting
Vanilla Sky
Scarface
those are my favs
--Brenden
David Mills
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> I love how this douchebag still posts this junk to video game groups.
"Skye", the king of all the trolls.
leo86
On your list, the only one better than KILL BILL is GOODFELLAS.
The rest of them, except for the overrated USUAL SUSPECTS and SEVEN,
are not bad, either.
ringo_nutter
As with most Tarantino movies, the source material is better. That's the
great thing about them, though. They encourage viewers to want more.
Japanese movie recommendations relevent to Kill Bill:
Lady Snowblood (Female samurai flick.)
Lone Wolf and Cub, Shogun Assassin (Classic samurai movies, and an American
edit of them.)
Karate Kiba/The Bodyguard, The Street Fighter (Sonny Chiba action.)
Tokyo Drifter (Colors and style from House of Blue Leaves segement.)
Black Tight Killers (Best Kill Bill style movie I've seen.)
Dead or Alive, Ichi the Killer, Fudoh (Takashi Miike style action.)
Battle Royale (Obvious.)
Hong Kong:
Peace Hotel (A Hong Kong western starring Chow Yun Fat. Features the best
single-swordsman-versus-an-army fight I had seen before Kill Bill.)
"Ten crazy kung fu films of Shaolin." At least. I've seen a bunch of them,
but always thought of them as light entertainment. Liu Chia Liang films
seem the most artistic to me and would probably appeal to Kill Bill fans,
though I don't know of any direct similarities:
Deadly Mantis (David Chiang is taught kung fu by a preying mantis,
literally.)
Shaolin vs. Ninja (I Dream of Jeannie meets Game of Death.)
Mad Monkey Kung Fu (Just what it sounds like. Monkey Style kung fu. Real
fun movie.)
8-Diagram Pole Fighter (One of Gordon Liu's most praised roles.)
36th Chamber of Shaolin (Another classic Gordon Liu movie, and one that
Tarantino has mentioned many times.)
Return to the 36th Chamber (Also starring Gordon Liu, and my personal
favorite.)
Westerns: I know nothing about westerns, but Kill Bill has raised my
interest.
This is why I love Kill Bill so much. You can watch that movie, and talk
about movies for hours afterward. It showcases so much great stuff that
just about everyone can learn about something new by watching it.
Grand Inquisitor
Typical uninformed hyperbole from a Tarantino fan.
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Australia's Dingo Barrier Fence, nor do you work the Savannah, capturing
and tagging wildebeests."
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Grand Inquisitor
http://www.dvdprofiler.com/mycollection.asp?alias=Oost
Martin Koolhoven
I haven't seen Kill Bill yet. But I can name dozens that are better than
the ones mentioned above...
--
gr,
Martin Koolhoven
Leon Dexter
> What've you got against Uma?
I don't like her. You can have her. :-)
D.C. Eaton
thought in his head and that I'd thrown away $8.25 - again.
O wait, I already knew that.
So I guess I learned nothing, period.
Seriously, I really hated this movie and I know that statements such as this
will be thrown back at me with the usual elitist "you just don't get it"
rebuff. Maybe I didn't "get" it, but the point is, I didn't like it.
Dean
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grottyschlub
most of the stuff Tarrantino has done . . . except for that episode of
ER he directed.
Blair P. Houghton
wouldn't even get it near the all-time top 100, and only
ranks it 61st for 2003.
imdb.com, whose voting system is more populist (RT counts
the sentiment in published reviews), ranks it #150 all-time.
--Blair
"No."
Buckaroo Banzai
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> I don't know if they're the best movies ever, but they probably beat
> most of the stuff Tarrantino has done . . . except for that episode of
> ER he directed.
I don't want to be standing next to you when the lightning strikes!
Reservoir Dogs and Pulp Fiction were masterpieces.
ringo_nutter
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> I learned nothing except that Quentin Tarantino doesn't have one original
> thought in his head and that I'd thrown away $8.25 - again.
>
> O wait, I already knew that.
>
> So I guess I learned nothing, period.
>
> Seriously, I really hated this movie and I know that statements such as
this
> will be thrown back at me with the usual elitist "you just don't get it"
> rebuff. Maybe I didn't "get" it, but the point is, I didn't like it.
>
You haven't written anything here that would imply you don't get it. I just
wonder why you feel like you didn't learn anything.
Are you already a fan of Asian cinema and think that Tarantino did a bad job
as a mimic? Did you dislike the movie so much that you don't want to find
out what inspired it?
I also have some big problems with the movie. I also have big problems with
Tarantino himself. This movie, despite all that, really got me excited.
Maybe it's because I haven't seen an American movie that inspired me for a
long time, so I'm desperate. I just know that this was the right movie at
the right time, and I hope that other people feel the same way.
It's like when you see a con man on the street, and you know he's a conman.
You walk up and listen. The crowd is buying everything. It's obvious what
he is, but you can't turn away. Who knows what you could learn from this
charlaten?
I am extremely grateful that I was ripped off for $7.50. He's such a good
con man that I'm going again. That's a really good con man!
I would like to read some honest-to-goodness criticism of Kill Bill, though.
If you hate it so much, please post a negative point-by-point critique here.
James Neibaur
Eaton at dce...@earthlink.net wrote on 10/13/03 10:01 PM:
> I learned nothing except that Quentin Tarantino doesn't have one original
> thought in his head and that I'd thrown away $8.25 - again.
>
> O wait, I already knew that.
>
> So I guess I learned nothing, period.
Why did you bother going to see it? Heck, if I was paying full admission
price I would never go see a film by a director I didn't like. I'd probably
get out to the theater around once every month or two.
JN
Richard Edwards
> David Mills wrote:
>
>> I think it would be hard to find a movie that is better than Kill Bill.
>> The only ones that I can think of that are even close are:
>>
>> -Schlinder's List
>> -The Godfather
>> -The Silence of the Lambs
>> -Scarface
>> -One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest
>> -The Usual Suspects
>> -Pulp Fiction
>> -Goodfellas
>> -Seven
>>
>>
>> Can anyone think of a movie that is better than Kill Bill? Neither
>> could I.
>
>
> Typical uninformed hyperbole from a Tarantino fan.
Blah, blah, I'm so special, blah.
Later,
Richard
Richard Edwards
> I learned nothing except that Quentin Tarantino doesn't have one original
> thought in his head and that I'd thrown away $8.25 - again.
>
> O wait, I already knew that.
>
> So I guess I learned nothing, period.
>
> Seriously, I really hated this movie and I know that statements such as this
> will be thrown back at me with the usual elitist "you just don't get it"
> rebuff. Maybe I didn't "get" it, but the point is, I didn't like it.
Hey, if you watched it and didn't like it, what's there to yell at you
about. Honest opinions are cool. It's the "elitists" on either side
that piss me off.
Watch a movie as a movie. Enjoy it or hate it as such.
Later,
Richard
Hitman of Las Vegas
wrote:
>Can anyone think of a movie that is better than Kill Bill? Neither could I.
Well, a s a general rule, it's usually good to wait at least a week or
two after first seeing a movie before it can be crowned 'best movie
ever made.'
Johnnie Kendricks
wrote:
>I think it would be hard to find a movie that is better than Kill Bill.
>The only ones that I can think of that are even close are:
>
>-Schlinder's List
>-The Godfather
>-The Silence of the Lambs
>-Scarface
>-One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest
>-The Usual Suspects
>-Pulp Fiction
>-Goodfellas
>-Seven
>
>
>Can anyone think of a movie that is better than Kill Bill? Neither could I.
Fight Club is right at the top of the list, and may have a slight
edge.
Scott
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Nah, I say Howard the Duck is one of the best movies EVER, superior special
effects, acting and it has originality.
Billy Bissette
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Fight Club over Kill Bill? Definitely. And not because Fight Club
is the best movie ever, but because Kill Bill isn't. Heck, Pulp Fiction
is a better movie than Kill Bill.
Kill Bill is a fun movie. It also succeeds on its artistic level as
an homage to old samurai movies as well as anime and other films. But
it is also a rather flawed movie.
Supposedly it is two parts because Tarantino had too much to edit down
to one movie. And truthfully, if he had made the cuts necessary for a
single film, he would have lost a lot of the homage elements. Since the
homage was a major point of the film (and why the film succeeds
artistically), it's not that hard to see why he would rather have two
movies.
On the other hand, it might likely have been a better movie overall
if he had editted it more severely, and just thrown the extra footage onto
a DVD.
The pacing in the movie is off due to the editting. While the excess
violence is of course a planned selling point, it goes on for so long
that it becomes downright boring. I speak mainly of the big brawl, not
the one-on-one deals. The big brawls themselves are an homage, but you
can get a similar effect by watching too many samurai movies back to
back. The homages also start to wear thin, particularly if you are picking
up on enough of them and realize that the reason that some are there is
more for the reference than for making the movie better. There are other
things I could mention like some story aspects, but that starts to get into
spoiler territory and someone here might not have seen the movie yet.
Again, it is a fun movie. It is a darn good homage. It definitely isn't
best movie ever. Unless you are rating just on violence without as much
concern for other aspects.
Junkyard Willie
> Can anyone think of a movie that is better than Kill Bill? Neither could
I.
What? No "Armageddon" "The Rock" or "Ghosts of Mars" for you?
Junkyard Willie
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> you must like death... and murder... and blood... a lot.
>
> american beauty was amazing.
I don't know about that- "whoa dude, like the whole paradigm of middle class
suburbia is totally fucked! The only people that don't openly love
homosexuality must be gay themselves. Like, pass the joint, man! Spacey
has it all right- it's all about like, realization of one's own banal
desires- fuck the man, fuck responsibility, and fuck families! If everyone
just smoked a little bit and admitted they were like gay and stuff, the
world would be totally cool!"
> dune
One of the greatest SF books ever written. And you better be talking about
the Lynch movie! I mean, Jurgen Pronchow, Sean Young, Kyle MacLachlan,
Freddie Jones, Sting, Linda Hunt and Patrick Stewart in one movie? Not to
mention the H.R. Giger-esque setpieces and the special effects of the eyes
and shields- it doesn't get any better than that!
> withnail and i
must've missed it.
> star wars
For a lot of similarities btwn Dune and SW check out:
http://www.dune2k.com/?page=community-articles&show=swanddune
> lord of the rings
Fun movies, to be sure, and great novels as well.
Junkyard Willie
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> "David Mills" <davidm...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> > The only ones that I can think of that are even close are:
> >
> > -Schlinder's List
> > -The Godfather
> > -The Silence of the Lambs
> > -Scarface
> > -One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest
> > -The Usual Suspects
> > -Pulp Fiction
> > -Goodfellas
> > -Seven
> >
> >
>
Or Waterworld (aka "Fishtar")...
Junkyard Willie
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> I'm not going to say what my favorite movie ever is, because I don't have
> oen. But here's some that are around the level of goodness that Kill Bill
> has so amazingly acheived:
>
> Fight Club
fun rental, but way overrated/overhyped
> Blue Velvet
> Terminator 2
> Mulholland Drive
> The Substitute
The best was whe he crushes the can and throws back in the guy's face... I
rewound that part a couple times
> By the way, Usual Suspects kind of sucks.
Kind of?
Brandon J. Van Every
>
> Nah, I say Howard the Duck is one of the best movies EVER, superior
> special effects, acting and it has originality.
To each their own. As a teenager, I thought Howard was one of the most
obnoxious, stupid, unlikeable characters I'd ever seen. I remember the plot
being cobbled together, stretchy, and boring. It's possible that I might
perceive the film differently all these years later, but as a betting man I
doubt it.
--
Cheers, www.indiegamedesign.com
Brandon Van Every Seattle, WA
Taking risk where others will not.
Brandon J. Van Every
I wish someone had put all the film cannisters of "Armageddon" up on that
asteroid.
JnEricsonX
>the Lynch movie! I mean, Jurgen Pronchow, Sean Young, Kyle MacLachlan,
>Freddie Jones, Sting, Linda Hunt and Patrick Stewart in one movie? Not to
>mention the H.R. Giger-esque setpieces and the special effects of the eyes
>and shields- it doesn't get any better than that!
I hope you're saying that in a liking tone, because I've loved the Dune film
since I first saw it when I was a kid. Yes, I've read the book, but I love the
film first, one of the first big sci-fi movies I ever saw when I was young, and
I thought the mini-series remake made me wanna puke.
Brandon J. Van Every
>
> One of the greatest SF books ever written. And you better be talking
> about the Lynch movie! I mean, Jurgen Pronchow, Sean Young, Kyle
> MacLachlan, Freddie Jones, Sting, Linda Hunt and Patrick Stewart in
> one movie? Not to mention the H.R. Giger-esque setpieces and the
> special effects of the eyes and shields- it doesn't get any better
> than that!
Truthfully, the recent sci-fi channel version was much longer and thus much
better at communicating the scope of Dune. "I *will* kill him!" is,
however, one of my all time favorite movie lines and one that I utter
regularly in all sorts of circumstances where it ain't gonna happen. Too
bad Our Savior matches it with the utterly lame whisper of, "I will bend
like a reed in the wind." (IIRC) A halfway decent finishing move, at least
in theory if not in execution, but definitely a stupid thing to say. Why
not, "I will punch him in the nuts." "I will poke his eye out." Please
imagine the ethereal, whispering voice as you play these variants back and
forth in your mind. Try other variants: "I will break his finger." "I will
smash his head into the cement like a watermelon."
And, um, looking back on it with the wisdom of many more years of martial
training, if he were really any good at bending like a reed in the wind he
would have done it long before and not gotten locked up like that. Lockups
look dramatic, but basically they mean you can't fight. The proper use of a
lockup is like in Saving Private Ryan, where indeed the combatants *can't*
fight and it probably *would* come down to a contest of brute strength that
way.
Exception: lockups do occur between highly skilled fighters in a sport
context, such as boxing, kickboxing, wrestling, judo, sumo, or ultimate
fighting. That's 'cuz neither person has to die right that minute. They
can use the lockup to reduce injury, take a rest, run out the clock, or wear
out the opponent with their body weight.
James Neibaur
jd...@yahoo.com wrote on 10/14/03 12:28 AM:
> Fight Club is right at the top of the list, and may have a slight
> edge.
see Hard Times (1975)
JN
D.C. Eaton
$6.50 (the average bargain matinee hereabouts) would have made it any
better.
However, I was a big fan of Tarantino's "Jackie Brown" (because it's based
on one of my favorite Elmore Leonard books). For the movie fan, film-going
is an optimistic exercise. You read a ton of good reviews and say, "Well,
maybe I'll like this one." Why bother going is you think something's going
to stink? Pessmists should never go to the movies unless they love ranting
so much that they need new fuel to keep going.
Dean
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T.O. Comer
> I think it would be hard to find a movie that is better than Kill Bill.
> The only ones that I can think of that are even close are:
>
> -Schlinder's List
> -The Godfather
> -The Silence of the Lambs
> -Scarface
> -One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest
> -The Usual Suspects
> -Pulp Fiction
> -Goodfellas
> -Seven
>
>
I can think of about thousand movies better than Kill Bill. We now
know what we only suspected after Pulp Fiction: Tarrantino is a
brilliant technician with absolutely nothing to say.
TOC
diana lyster
Mi...@hotmail.com
>What've you got against Uma?
>
I just think she's a horrible actress, and for eye candy, there are
much better looking women.
nightwriter
Johnnie Kendricks
Richard
Well, Thurmond's acting was a let-down but the movie was interesting enough.
It does not have the wit of "Pulp Fiction" and the violence is not nearly
as effective as "Resevoir Dogs" because it is cartoonish.
-Rich
bruce little
What would that be? Her silicone Cs or her boney rib cage?
Ron
Billy Bissette <bai...@coastalnet.com> wrote:
> Kill Bill is a fun movie. It also succeeds on its artistic level as
> an homage to old samurai movies as well as anime and other films. But
> it is also a rather flawed movie.
I guess one of those things I don't understand is why being an homage
to asian action films is a raison d'etre for a 3-hour-plus epic.
Is the bar for "succeeds artistically" set that low?
(I have nothing wrong with paying homage to older films-- the thing is
homage is something you can do in passing. It's not an excuse to ignore
story, plot, character, etc...)
Joanne Capella
> in article 8bde24b0.03101...@posting.google.com, David Mills at
> davidm...@yahoo.com wrote on 10/13/03 10:31 AM:
>
> > I think it would be hard to find a movie that is better than Kill Bill.
> > The only ones that I can think of that are even close are:
> >
> > -Schlinder's List
> > -The Godfather
> > -The Silence of the Lambs
> > -Scarface
> > -One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest
> > -The Usual Suspects
> > -Pulp Fiction
> > -Goodfellas
> > -Seven
>
>
> JN
Gosh, you mean they made movies before 1975!?!? Wow, what a concept!
Maybe I should check some of them out, dude. ;-)
Joanne
nightwriter
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> > I know what of hers I'd like to have against me.
>
> What would that be? Her silicone Cs or her boney rib cage?
real boobs.
besides, what's the difference... none of y'all are going to touch them, and
if you did, you wouldn't be complaining either way...
Billy Bissette
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That's why I said artistic level, and said that more editting could have
made it a better movie overall.
If you look at it as trying to be a homage first and a solid movie only
second, it succeeds in that goal. It's not that the bar is so low, it is
that it is a different bar. :)
It's a good violence flick. Though the violence gets downright stupid
and boring after a while, I'm sure the majority who went to see it because
it was violent won't care or even notice.
It's a good homage flick, with plenty of references. Everything from the
obvious like fighting as black shapes to the "slash everyone, then everyone
falls afterwards" to things that might be less noticed like the short bit
where the background music switches to the old black&white/early color low
quality recording Japanese samurai movie music and how certain moves come
from certain things.
Spoiler below:
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Sadly, I'd say that the majority of the supposed plot is actually
superfluous to the movie Volume 1. Volume 1 is about two things. It is
about Black Mamba/Bride having a reason to kill people, and about O-Ren.
And I can't help but think Tarantino realized that as well. But
rather than remake the movie from the ground up, or recut the movie into
something else, he decided to go with what he had. After all, most of
the audience would be in it for the violence anyway, and might not care
if there was no plot at all as long as the violence was "good".
So you start with the throw away death of Copperhead, and get background,
and then get what Tarantino had put so much effort into...the whole O-Ren
deal. Make sure Bill gets referenced every now and then so that people
won't forget, then endcap with him, and ship it to the theaters.
The bulk of the film was O-Ren though, and indeed she will likely end
up the bulk of both films combined. Copperhead is taken out in a few
minutes and in a way that leaves nothing much to say about her death
or her character. O-Ren's animated origin is probably longer than
anything dealing with Copperhead.
Volume 2 will quite possibly focus on Bill, who himself is supposed to
be a skilled fighter. But Vol 2 also has to deal with Brad(?), the
one-eyed woman, and Black Mamba's kid. On top of that, characters from
the first movie are listed as being in the second (through time jumps
most likely), so you should get more of Gogo and company, even if it
is only a few scenes.
James Neibaur
jd...@yahoo.com wrote on 10/14/03 9:39 AM:
>> see Hard Times (1975)
>>
>> JN
>
> I have. Bronson kicks ass.
I always thought that was the best fight film, moreso than Fight Club. It
is a favorite of mine.
JN
David M. Geshwind
<Xns94148F11919...@207.69.154.204>...
I have not seen it yet. May or may not. I thought "Pulp Fiction" was good,
but nowhere near as groudbreaking and important as the critics did.
That said, this discussion SOUNDs to me like discussions I have heard
regarding modern (or post-modern) art.
It's a little like saying Andy Warholl's (sp?) "Campbell's Soup" painting
is bad commercial art (a photo would be better in an advertizement) and bad
painting (subject mundane). It misses the point that was being made
regarding iconic images.
Now, I do not necessarily subscribe to any of this about "fine art" or "art
cinema".
It's just that it sounds familliar. One side proclaiming a groud-breaking
paradigm-shifting work. The other side not getting that at all. But it is
unclear if the first group is being hoodwinked, or the second group is
blind. Probably a little of both.
But, I say, if QT can get a significant portion of the film establishment
and the public to suscribe to his take on his art, then he succeeds, in the
same way that Warholl did, commercially and in his own time.
It doesn't mean that I have to like it. But I appreciate his ability to
market his art and pay the bills.
-- dmg
David M. Geshwind
"the emoticon is implicit"
Billy Bissette
> I have not seen it yet. May or may not. I thought "Pulp Fiction" was
> good, but nowhere near as groudbreaking and important as the critics
> did.
Kill Bill isn't what I would call groundbreaking. And in the footnotes
of history, I doubt it will be considered important. It is a very
Tarantino film, but Tarantino has done films before.
Some have said the violence itself is groundbreaking, saying that it
is the most violent film they've seen. But I don't really see that as
groundbreaking. It doesn't redefine violence or anything. The blood
spurts are references to anime and such. The big kill count sword battles
are references to the old samurai films and similar, except this time
done with better special effects. Etc...
The story certainly isn't groundbreaking, what little bit there is.
The time jumps were done better by Tarantino in Pulp Fiction. They aren't
bad here, but here are just tools to remind you that there is more than
just a few big sword fights. (And are mainly here probably just because
it is something Tarantino does.) Etc.
> It's just that it sounds familliar. One side proclaiming a
> groud-breaking paradigm-shifting work. The other side not getting that
> at all. But it is unclear if the first group is being hoodwinked, or
> the second group is blind. Probably a little of both.
I don't think it is either ground-breaking or paradigm shifting. But I
also don't think Tarantino intended for it to be either. He wanted to
make a movie, he wanted it to do certain things, both he and it did.
He wanted a fun little action flick with a particular story and wanted
to reference heavily certain genres. And that is what he got.
LIBERATOR
> I think it would be hard to find a movie that is better than Kill Bill.
> The only ones that I can think of that are even close are:
>
> -Schlinder's List
> -The Godfather
> -The Silence of the Lambs
> -Scarface
> -One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest
> -The Usual Suspects
> -Pulp Fiction
> -Goodfellas
> -Seven
>
>
> Can anyone think of a movie that is better than Kill Bill? Neither could I.
Ron
"David M. Geshwind" <acaesq...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> I have not seen it yet. May or may not. I thought "Pulp Fiction" was good,
> but nowhere near as groudbreaking and important as the critics did.
Indeed.
One thing it did do, however, was bring certain ideas back to the
forefront of filmmaking. It's not like structuring a story nonlinearly
was even remotely new-- and it hadn't been for decades-- but it was new
to a certain audience.
"Important" is a tough word to toss around. Certainly Tarantino's (or
Tarantino's and Avary's, I should say) dialog was memorable and
much-imitated for about three or four years there.
To me, that doesn't qualify as important in the same way that, say,
Brando's performance in "On the Waterfront" was important.
-Ron
Charles Bix
TH1138?
Brandon J. Van Every
> davidm...@yahoo.com (David Mills) wrote in message
> news:<8bde24b0.03101...@posting.google.com>...
>> I think it would be hard to find a movie that is better than Kill
>> Bill.
>> The only ones that I can think of that are even close are:
>>
You mean that thing where Jodie Foster goes "NhUUUHGH!" as she turns around
to cap the creep? It had a good character in the way of Hannibal Lechter in
it, and the serial killer was sick enough with his sewn skin, but otherwise
I wasn't too impressed.
> TH1138?
You're missing an "X." THX1138. It's an interesting film because of who
made it and some ideas in it. Definitely had some boring drag to it.
T.O. Comer
And, in case you haven't noticed, films were and are being made in
countries other than US, before AND after 1975. Many of them better
than most of your Top Nine list.
bruce little
>
>
> real boobs.
>
> besides, what's the difference... none of y'all are going to touch them, and
> if you did, you wouldn't be complaining either way...
Yeah, actually I would. Not all of us penis owners have been sold on
Madison Ave.'s vision of feminine beauty.
Example
"ringo_nutter" <ringo_...@australia.com> wrote in message
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> > The only ones that I can think of that are even close are:
> >
> > -Schlinder's List
> > -The Godfather
> > -The Silence of the Lambs
> > -Scarface
> > -One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest
> > -The Usual Suspects
> > -Pulp Fiction
> > -Goodfellas
> > -Seven
> >
> >
could
> I.
>
> As with most Tarantino movies, the source material is better. That's the
> great thing about them, though. They encourage viewers to want more.
>
> Japanese movie recommendations relevent to Kill Bill:
>
> Lady Snowblood (Female samurai flick.)
> Lone Wolf and Cub, Shogun Assassin (Classic samurai movies, and an
American
> edit of them.)
> Karate Kiba/The Bodyguard, The Street Fighter (Sonny Chiba action.)
> Tokyo Drifter (Colors and style from House of Blue Leaves segement.)
> Black Tight Killers (Best Kill Bill style movie I've seen.)
> Dead or Alive, Ichi the Killer, Fudoh (Takashi Miike style action.)
> Battle Royale (Obvious.)
>
> Hong Kong:
>
> Peace Hotel (A Hong Kong western starring Chow Yun Fat. Features the best
> single-swordsman-versus-an-army fight I had seen before Kill Bill.)
>
> "Ten crazy kung fu films of Shaolin." At least. I've seen a bunch of
them,
> but always thought of them as light entertainment. Liu Chia Liang films
> seem the most artistic to me and would probably appeal to Kill Bill fans,
> though I don't know of any direct similarities:
>
> Deadly Mantis (David Chiang is taught kung fu by a preying mantis,
> literally.)
> Shaolin vs. Ninja (I Dream of Jeannie meets Game of Death.)
> Mad Monkey Kung Fu (Just what it sounds like. Monkey Style kung fu. Real
> fun movie.)
> 8-Diagram Pole Fighter (One of Gordon Liu's most praised roles.)
> 36th Chamber of Shaolin (Another classic Gordon Liu movie, and one that
> Tarantino has mentioned many times.)
> Return to the 36th Chamber (Also starring Gordon Liu, and my personal
> favorite.)
that's the one where he's a roofer for the shaolin monks? "BUT MASTER, I
DONT WANT TO LEAVE, I WANT TO LEARN FROM YOU!" (all said during himself
defending against the headmaster shaolin monk)
example
>
> Westerns: I know nothing about westerns, but Kill Bill has raised my
> interest.
>
> This is why I love Kill Bill so much. You can watch that movie, and talk
> about movies for hours afterward. It showcases so much great stuff that
> just about everyone can learn about something new by watching it.
>
>
Example
week.
example
"ringo_nutter" <ringo_...@australia.com> wrote in message
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> "D.C. Eaton" <dce...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:uGJib.49054$mQ2....@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> > I learned nothing except that Quentin Tarantino doesn't have one
original
> > thought in his head and that I'd thrown away $8.25 - again.
> >
> > O wait, I already knew that.
> >
> > So I guess I learned nothing, period.
> >
> > Seriously, I really hated this movie and I know that statements such as
> this
> > will be thrown back at me with the usual elitist "you just don't get it"
> > rebuff. Maybe I didn't "get" it, but the point is, I didn't like it.
> >
>
> You haven't written anything here that would imply you don't get it. I
just
> wonder why you feel like you didn't learn anything.
>
> Are you already a fan of Asian cinema and think that Tarantino did a bad
job
> as a mimic? Did you dislike the movie so much that you don't want to find
> out what inspired it?
>
> I also have some big problems with the movie. I also have big problems
with
> Tarantino himself. This movie, despite all that, really got me excited.
> Maybe it's because I haven't seen an American movie that inspired me for a
> long time, so I'm desperate. I just know that this was the right movie at
> the right time, and I hope that other people feel the same way.
>
> It's like when you see a con man on the street, and you know he's a
conman.
> You walk up and listen. The crowd is buying everything. It's obvious
what
> he is, but you can't turn away. Who knows what you could learn from this
> charlaten?
>
> I am extremely grateful that I was ripped off for $7.50. He's such a good
> con man that I'm going again. That's a really good con man!
>
> I would like to read some honest-to-goodness criticism of Kill Bill,
though.
> If you hate it so much, please post a negative point-by-point critique
here.
>
> > Dean
Example
exmaple
"Buckaroo Banzai" <black...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "grottyschlub" <mpat...@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:CdKib.45258$Pd.10...@twister.tampabay.rr.com...
> > I don't know if they're the best movies ever, but they probably beat
> > most of the stuff Tarrantino has done . . . except for that episode of
> > ER he directed.
>
>
> I don't want to be standing next to you when the lightning strikes!
> Reservoir Dogs and Pulp Fiction were masterpieces.
>
>
>
Example
example
"Billy Bissette" <bai...@coastalnet.com> wrote in message
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nightwriter
"Example" <jak...@YOURMOMSHOUSEhotmail.com> wrote in message
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reservoir dogs redefined 'indie cinema' for a decade, mostly for the worse.
that's not to detract from the power of that film, but the copycats mostly
were terrible.
let's not forget TRUE ROMANCE
and, argueably, NATURAL BORN KILLERS
> >
> >
> >
>
>
stace
"nightwriter" <spide...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Um, did you just call True Romance and Natural Born Killers copycats?
nightwriter
"stace" <amp_c...@hotmail.corm> wrote in message
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no.
looks like it though, the way i wrote that. the chances of me naming two
copycats that two of tarantino's small oevre would be uncanny indeed.
>
>
>
J. Theakston
Pretentious.
-J. Theakston
Brandon J. Van Every
DON'T YOU MAKE ME touch the hottie! DON'T YOU MAKE ME!!!
Buckaroo Banzai
Yeah, *those* penis owners are known as GAY.
ven.molikai
That's the one. I only know a couple of people who watch kung fu films, and
I don't even consider myself a big fan. So, I don't hear a lot of opinion
about them. I thought that movie kicked ass, though. It was a movie about
nine-year old boys in the bodies of grown men, and that is not only funny
but also heartwarming.
Every time I saw Gordon Liu's character act as an impostor, I couldn't help
smiling. The badass martial arts sequences were just the icing on the cake.
> example
>
>
>
>
> >
> > Westerns: I know nothing about westerns, but Kill Bill has raised my
> > interest.
> >
> > This is why I love Kill Bill so much. You can watch that movie, and
talk
> > about movies for hours afterward. It showcases so much great stuff that
> > just about everyone can learn about something new by watching it.
> >
> >
>
>
--
"I'll stupefy him with my slow ball."
-- Bugs Bunny
"And God said: DANCE!"
-- Venerable Molikai
Junkyard Willie
"Brandon J. Van Every" <try_vanevery_a...@yahoo.com> wrote in
message news:bmgh17$mmsm8$1...@ID-207230.news.uni-berlin.de...> >> dune
> >
> > One of the greatest SF books ever written. And you better be talking
> > about the Lynch movie! I mean, Jurgen Pronchow, Sean Young, Kyle
> > MacLachlan, Freddie Jones, Sting, Linda Hunt and Patrick Stewart in
> > one movie? Not to mention the H.R. Giger-esque setpieces and the
> > special effects of the eyes and shields- it doesn't get any better
> > than that!
>
> Truthfully, the recent sci-fi channel version was much longer and thus
much
> better at communicating the scope of Dune. "I *will* kill him!" is,
> however, one of my all time favorite movie lines and one that I utter
"Mood's a thing for cattle- and loveplay! Not fighting!"
nightwriter
"Junkyard Willie" <junkyardNO...@tekken.cc> wrote in message
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>
> "Brandon J. Van Every" <try_vanevery_a...@yahoo.com> wrote in
> message news:bmgh17$mmsm8$1...@ID-207230.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > Junkyard Willie wrote:
> > > "nightwriter" <spide...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > >>
> > >> dune
> > >
> > > One of the greatest SF books ever written. And you better be talking
> > > about the Lynch movie!
of course. the series of books is incredible. highly recommend.
>I mean, Jurgen Pronchow, Sean Young, Kyle
> > > MacLachlan, Freddie Jones, Sting, Linda Hunt and Patrick Stewart in
> > > one movie? Not to mention the H.R. Giger-esque setpieces and the
> > > special effects of the eyes and shields- it doesn't get any better
> > > than that!
again, incredible stuff. still.
> >
> > Truthfully, the recent sci-fi channel version was much longer and thus
> much
> > better at communicating the scope of Dune.
heard it stank. then again, the original Dune still gets a 'turkey' rating
from all those 'video guides'.
>"I *will* kill him!" is,
> > however, one of my all time favorite movie lines and one that I utter
i hope it isn't followed by blood and dead neighbors and stuff.... ;)
>
> "Mood's a thing for cattle- and loveplay! Not fighting!"
LEGEND.
how can this be a turkey? i've never loved something so much that was
dissed so bad by the 'critics'...
ONE MORE WORD ON KILL BILL
first half: AMAZING
second half: boring. crouching tiger did the same thing, only better.
all in all, solid film. he lived up to his 'b-movie' intentions.
>
>
RogerM
First half: Interesting, but dumb.
Second half: Incredibly dumb and boring.
I realized last night while discussing the film with friends what
Tarantino has done:
He's made the 'Itchy and Scratchy' movie.
--
Too many sticks, not enough carrots.
"No one ever says Italy" - Hank Scorpio
ven.molikai
news:3F8F3466...@ns.sympatico.ca...
Remember that clip of the Russian Itchy and Scratchy? Now THAT would make a
great movie. I can't even think of the name, or I'd try to find a link. If
you remember that, though... Imagine David Lynch or David Cronenberg
directing, with unknown Russian actors.
> --
>
> Too many sticks, not enough carrots.
>
> "No one ever says Italy" - Hank Scorpio
RogerM
"Worker and Parasite'?
ven.molikai
Yes! _Worker and Parasite_ should be the new film from David Cronenberg.
It would be like Tim Burton's Batman times ten. Ten plus. Borderline
eleven. I think we need to get the suits together and strongarm them into
this.
>
> --
>
> Too many sticks, not enough carrots.
>
> "No one ever says Italy" - Hank Scorpio
OttaWhackU
the great flicks of old in that list?
nightwriter
"OttaWhackU" <an...@anon.com> wrote in message
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> Go see more movies youngster then come back later. Where is Casablanca and
> the great flicks of old in that list?
casablanca is not a great film, imo. a film's 'greatness' is measured by
the people who remember it 'as though it were yesterday', placing the film
in the space/time context. a kid today has as much right to say that kill
bill is the best film of all time than someone who says citizen kane is.
again, in my opinion. film is fluid, tastes are fluid. if something
doesn't stand up to the test of time and 'progress', then it is left behind.
no one uses outhouses anymore as their home toilet, although at the time, it
was the greatest invention ever.
we could discuss post modernism here in this context, but i've gotta go see
my friends band.... again...
Ron
<7dllb.118506$mf.5...@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>,
"nightwriter" <spide...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "OttaWhackU" <an...@anon.com> wrote in message
> news:bn4elh$jov$1...@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk...
> > Go see more movies youngster then come back later. Where is Casablanca and
> > the great flicks of old in that list?
>
> casablanca is not a great film, imo. a film's 'greatness' is measured by
> the people who remember it 'as though it were yesterday', placing the film
> in the space/time context. a kid today has as much right to say that kill
> bill is the best film of all time than someone who says citizen kane is.
You know, saying a film is great is different from saying you like it.
I like lots of films that are crap.
But there are standards of quality. Is the film well written? Well
shot? Are the actors well directed? Are interesting and original
coverage ideas used? Do the editing and production design support the
characterization and the story?
A kid today has as much right to say "Kill Bill" is the greatest film
of all time as anyone-- but if he's measuring by any sort of objective
standard, he's wrong. And if he's speaking purely subjectively, then
he's not using the language correctly: he means to say that Kill Bill is
his favorite movie of all time.
That's something entirely different, and not arguable.
-Ron
Mike1
>Go see more movies youngster then come back later.
>Where is Casablanca and the great flicks of old in that list?
No kidding. The pups are so easy to spot.
>"David Mills" <davidm...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> I think it would be hard to find a movie that is better than Kill Bill.
>> The only ones that I can think of that are even close are:
>> -Schlinder's List
>> -The Godfather
>> -The Silence of the Lambs
>> -Scarface
>> -One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest
>> -The Usual Suspects
>> -Pulp Fiction
>> -Goodfellas
>> -Seven
Movies that I consider better than anything you've listed there (with
the possible exception of Schindler's List):
[I basically took my "master list" of films I intend to own on DVD one
of these days, and as I ran through them, I asked myself, "If I were
watching one of those nine films above on TV, and noticed this on
another channel, would I switch?", and culled accordingly.)
20,000 Leagues Under the Sea
A Conneticutt Yankee in King Arthur's Court
A Fistful of Dollars
Adventures of Robin Hood
Aliens (original release)
American Graffiti
Beau Travail
Beauty and the Beast
Black Cat, White Cat
Blade Runner (original release; I loathe the "Director's Cut")
Blazing Saddles
Buddy Holly Story
Bullett
Captain Horatio Hornblower
Casablanca
Cat Ballou
Cyrano de Bergerac
Dark of the Sun
Das Boot
Delicatessen
Destry Rides Again
Die Hard
Doctor Zhivago
Dr. Strangelove
Dragonslayer
Freaks
Frenzy
Ghostbusters
Grave of the Fireflies
Gunga Din
High Noon
Into the West
Ivanhoe
Jason and the Argonaughts
Jaws
Judgement at Nuremburg
Kelly's Heroes
King Kong
King Soloman's Mines (original)
Lawrence of Arabia
Little Shop of Horrors
M
Major Dundee
Man in the Wilderness
Midnight Express
Murder Ahoy
Nortorious
On the Waterfront
Once Upon a Time in the West
Paint Your Wagon
Paths of Glory
Peter Pan
Prime Cut
Princess Mononoke
Raiders of the Lost Ark
Raising Arizona
Real Genius
Rob Roy
Robocop
Shane
Shenandoah
Spirited Away
Stagecoach
Star Wars
THX-1138
The 7th Voyage of Sinbad
The Adventures of Prince Achmed
The Americanization of Emily
The Beast (Russian)
The Beastmaster
The Big Red One
The Black Stallion
The Blues Brothers
The Court Jester
The Dirty Dozen
The Good Earth
The Great Escape
The Guns of Navarone
The Hunchback of Notre Dame
The Inspector General
The Italian Job (original)
The Jungle Book
The Life of Emile Zola
The Naked Prey
The Outlaw Josey Wales
The Princess Bride
The Quiet Man
The Seven Samurai
The Shawshank Redemption
The Shop Around the Corner
The Thief of Bagdad
The Train
The Wizard of Oz
The Yakuza
Throne of Blood
Thunderbolt and Lightfoot
Time Bandits
Topkapi
Toy Story I, II
Trading Places
Treasure Island
Twelve O'Clock High
Wild River
Young Frankenstein
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Mike1
>> the great flicks of old in that list?
>
>casablanca is not a great film, imo. a film's 'greatness' is measured by
>the people who remember it 'as though it were yesterday'
According to whom?
, placing the film in the space/time context.
If were to go rent, say, "Wild River" or "Paths of Glory", right now,
tomorrow you'd remember seeing them "as thought it were yesterday".
David M. Geshwind
Mike1 <mike1_jun...@usfamily.net> wrote in article
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> "OttaWhackU" <an...@anon.com> wrote:
>
> >Go see more movies youngster then come back later.
> >Where is Casablanca and the great flicks of old in that list?
>
>
> No kidding. The pups are so easy to spot.
>
101 Dalmations ???
-- dmg
David M. Geshwind
Charles Bix
> Can anyone think of a movie that is better than Kill Bill?
Yes. Gigli.
Stephen Cooke
Well, both titles rhyme, at any rate.
swac
Sophieleo
>From: Charl...@yahoo.com (Charles Bix)
>Date: 10/22/03 1:40 PM Central Daylight Time
>Message-id: <46657829.03102...@posting.google.com>
and oh let's see ..nahh that is about it...
Kill Bill will go down in history .. i suggest
seeing it at least 100 times..
>
>
>
>
>
Doug Jacobs
> heard it stank. then again, the original Dune still gets a 'turkey' rating
> from all those 'video guides'.
The performances in the Sci-Fi miniseries were flat. Wesley Crusher
whined less than their version of M'aud'dib... And the costumes. Oh my
god. Apparentally in the future, we will be secretly ruled by
intergalactic cowgirls who wear comically large cowboy hats.
The Lynch version may be horribly in accurate compared to the Sci-Fi
version, but the Lynch version beats the Sci-Fi version in terms of
performance, set design and outright style.
RogerM
>
> In alt.games.video.sony-playstation2 nightwriter <spide...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > heard it stank. then again, the original Dune still gets a 'turkey' rating
> > from all those 'video guides'.
>
> The performances in the Sci-Fi miniseries were flat. Wesley Crusher
> whined less than their version of M'aud'dib...
Most of the so-called men in the Sci-Fi version were soft-voiced wimps.
The men from the Lynch version would have wiped up the planet with them.
And the costumes. Oh my
> god. Apparentally in the future, we will be secretly ruled by
> intergalactic cowgirls who wear comically large cowboy hats.
>
Hee hee. The Bene Gesserit were a lot cuter than the cueballs in Lynch's
version, but I agree in the most part about the costumes. That party in
Arakeen when the Atreides arrived was grotesque. The guys looked like
rejects from some gay circus.
> The Lynch version may be horribly in accurate compared to the Sci-Fi
> version, but the Lynch version beats the Sci-Fi version in terms of
> performance, set design and outright style.
Amen to that. Amen.
--
Too many sticks, not enough carrots.
"No one ever says Italy" - Hank Scorpio
Name: Santa's Little Helper
Occupation: Butt Doctor
Income: What I finds, I keeps.
WareWolf
> I realized last night while discussing the film with friends what
> Tarantino has done:
>
> He's made the 'Itchy and Scratchy' movie.
>
>
Okay, THAT was funny.
Dusty
--
I'm goin' to hell! Who's comin' with me!?
-Eminem
WareWolf
No one has yet done a decent version of "Dune". The Sci-Fi version was not horrible, but
it wans't very good, either. The Lynch version was, despite the admittedly cool sets.
Dusty
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Understanding today's complex world of the future is somewhat like having bees live in
your head. But, there they are!
-The Firesign Theater
Doug Jacobs
> Hee hee. The Bene Gesserit were a lot cuter than the cueballs in Lynch's
> version, but I agree in the most part about the costumes. That party in
> Arakeen when the Atreides arrived was grotesque. The guys looked like
> rejects from some gay circus.
Those weren't Atreides...those were the Emperor's shock troops (Fahdekar?)
They looked like rejects from a Shakespeare Festival. Hardly the image
you'd expect from hardened-criminals-turned-elite-soliders...
The second Sci-Fi series wasn't as bad though.
Morehits4u
>Date: 10/30/03 12:03 AM Central
< snip > oh of course Las vegas is gonna
build them a special building..so fans can
see it all day and all nite long forever.