Jennifer Tilly, Mensa candidate
Michael Dautermann
I really liked Bound and am still suprised that it hasn't appeared in the
top five or ten box-office-grossing movies in the week or two since it has
been released. Has it's lack of success been due to a limited run (it's
playing in a bunch of theaters here in the Bay Area) or that people aren't
interested in the story?
One comment I gotta make though, I was watching Jennifer Tilly's
appearance last night on The Tonight Show. She came off as completely
vapid and frantic. Other than Jay Leno introducing her, there was no
mention of her work in Bound (much less her acting profession) at all, and
90% of the conversation revolved around how Jennifer lost a lot of her
hair (bad stylist!) and a supposedly ultra-sexy (but didn't look very
flattering) photo appearing in Premiere.
Bound is the first movie I've seen with her, and supposedly she's played a
ditzy character in the movies she's been in. The only reason I can see
for her success is that producers/directors are casting her in parts that
are total matches for how she really is. I was kinda hoping that she'd be
a consumate actress... i.e. an intellectual in real life who can play dumb
in front of the camera. Am I off-base with my impression?
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my...@apple.com (Michael Dautermann) wrote:
One comment I gotta make though, I was watching Jennifer Tilly's
>appearance last night on The Tonight Show. She came off as completely
>vapid and frantic. Other than Jay Leno introducing her, there was no
>mention of her work in Bound (much less her acting profession) at all, and
>90% of the conversation revolved around how Jennifer lost a lot of her
>hair (bad stylist!) and a supposedly ultra-sexy (but didn't look very
>flattering) photo appearing in Premiere.
>Bound is the first movie I've seen with her, and supposedly she's played a
>ditzy character in the movies she's been in. The only reason I can see
>for her success is that producers/directors are casting her in parts that
>are total matches for how she really is. I was kinda hoping that she'd be
>a consumate actress... i.e. an intellectual in real life who can play dumb
>in front of the camera. Am I off-base with my impression?
Ha Ha that is the funniest subject header I have seen in a while :).
No Jennifer Tilly has made a career out of playing the ditz. I am not
sure if her act is to ensure she gets more roles or is for real. She
played a similar but sexy and somewhat disturbing part in the remake
of the getaway. She was also very good as a ditz in bullets over
broadway. Thats all I know of her. A good example of an actress who
plays a ditz but who is actually very intelligent is Mira Sorvino. I
first saw her in Mighty Aphrodite and though she might actually be
like that character. I later saw an interview with her and found that
she had been in several movies I had seen such as quiz show. She
played a completely different character and seems to have that
chamelian ability only a handfull of actors.actresses have. She
deserved the oscar she got.
In reality I like the luncheon meat spam as well as treat and various store brands as well as souse, scrapple, and dinty moors beef stew. I just dont like the intrusive off topic scam posts.
Guy Schackman
> my...@apple.com (Michael Dautermann) wrote:
>
> One comment I gotta make though, I was watching Jennifer Tilly's
> >appearance last night on The Tonight Show. She came off as completely
> >vapid and frantic. Other than Jay Leno introducing her, there was no
> >mention of her work in Bound (much less her acting profession) at all, and
> >90% of the conversation revolved around how Jennifer lost a lot of her
> >hair (bad stylist!) and a supposedly ultra-sexy (but didn't look very
> >flattering) photo appearing in Premiere.
>
> >Bound is the first movie I've seen with her, and supposedly she's played a
> >ditzy character in the movies she's been in. The only reason I can see
> >for her success is that producers/directors are casting her in parts that
> >are total matches for how she really is. I was kinda hoping that she'd be
> >a consumate actress... i.e. an intellectual in real life who can play dumb
> >in front of the camera. Am I off-base with my impression?
That evening was a late-night nightmare. While trying to escape the
stimulating conversation of Cindy Crawford on Larry King and David
Letterman, I stumbled across Jennifer Tilly on Leno. I was simultaneously
both fascinated and horrified. I've liked her in every film I've seen her
in, including 'Bound'. Like Michael above, I too hoped that perhaps she
was a bit more cerebral than her characters. The Leno performance was
like watching a train wreck. It was awful, but I couldn't stop. It
actually crossed my mind that she was high on something...she can't be
like that in real life, can she?
Guy
Kanga
my...@apple.com wrote:
::I was watching Jennifer Tilly's
::appearance last night on The Tonight Show. She came off as completely
::vapid and frantic. Other than Jay Leno introducing her, there was no
::mention of her work in Bound (much less her acting profession) at all, and
::90% of the conversation revolved around how Jennifer lost a lot of her
::hair (bad stylist!) and a supposedly ultra-sexy (but didn't look very
::flattering) photo appearing in Premiere.
Is this the same Tilly who supposedly recently wrote a great novel or was
that her sister Meg?
I was surprised by her spacey appearance on Leno as well. I, too, thought
the Tilly family was one of those intellectual ones. Maybe smart but
ditzy? *shrug*
~ Kanga ~
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but friendship hardly ever does."
-= Jane Austen =-
Alex Fung
Michael Dautermann (my...@apple.com) writes:
> I really liked Bound and am still suprised that it hasn't appeared in the
> top five or ten box-office-grossing movies in the week or two since it has
> been released. Has it's lack of success been due to a limited run (it's
> playing in a bunch of theaters here in the Bay Area) or that people aren't
> interested in the story?
I'd be fairly certain that "Bound" has not been among the top grossing
films over the past few weeks is due primarily to the fact that it's not
playing on many screens across North America - I don't have the figures to
back me up, but I'd be really surprised if this was on anywhere near 1500
screens (my unsubstantiated guess would be around half that). Couple that
with lack of marquee power (Jennifer Tilly is not a major draw), and it's
reasonable that the film isn't up there battling it out with "Sleepers".
Then again, the film *is* getting great word-of-mouth, and it struck me as
sufficiently commercially-oriented to appeal to a mass audience. I could
definitely see this film opening wider and sneaking into the lower half of
a weekend Top 10.
As for Tilly, as someone's mentioned, her career has been peppered with
'ditz'-type roles (loved her in "The Fabulous Baker Boys"); I'm merely
hypothesizing here, but is it possible that she was behaving similarly on Jay
Leno's show simply to conform with the public's expectations of her and to not
shatter her image?
(Then again, most celebrities who show up on Leno's show end up appearing
vapid - maybe it's a strategy.)
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"No, my life's not perfect. I don't really like my friends."
- Winona Ryder, _Heathers_
Bradley Yearwood
In article <guyjs-22109...@news.vegas.infi.net>,
Guy Schackman <gu...@infi.net> wrote:
>
>That evening was a late-night nightmare. While trying to escape the
>stimulating conversation of Cindy Crawford on Larry King and David
> ... The Leno performance was
>like watching a train wreck. It was awful, but I couldn't stop. It
>actually crossed my mind that she was high on something...she can't be
>like that in real life, can she?
I have seen her on a couple of previous talk show appearances - this
has been her consistent talk show behavior for some years.
In answer to a previous question, it was her sister Meg who wrote the book.
Guy Schackman
In article <54p8om$e...@news.interlog.com>, jjo...@interlog.com wrote:
> In article <guyjs-22109...@news.vegas.infi.net>, gu...@infi.net
> (Guy Schackman) wrote:
> > I've liked her in every film I've seen her in, including 'Bound'.
> ----------------
>
> "Every" film? EVEN that wretched Canadian film where she played an
> eskimo with Lou Diamond Phillips? [forgot the title. The original title
> was supposed to be "Aguluk".]
I didn't see that one.
Guy
Michael Mell
gu...@infi.net (Guy Schackman) wrote:
>> my...@apple.com (Michael Dautermann) wrote:
>>
>> One comment I gotta make though, I was watching Jennifer Tilly's
>> >appearance last night on The Tonight Show. She came off as completely
>> >vapid and frantic. Other than Jay Leno introducing her, there was no
>> >mention of her work in Bound (much less her acting profession) at all, and
>> >90% of the conversation revolved around how Jennifer lost a lot of her
>> >hair (bad stylist!) and a supposedly ultra-sexy (but didn't look very
>> >flattering) photo appearing in Premiere.
>>
>> >Bound is the first movie I've seen with her, and supposedly she's played a
>> >ditzy character in the movies she's been in. The only reason I can see
>> >for her success is that producers/directors are casting her in parts that
>> >are total matches for how she really is. I was kinda hoping that she'd be
>> >a consumate actress... i.e. an intellectual in real life who can play dumb
>> >in front of the camera. Am I off-base with my impression?
>That evening was a late-night nightmare. While trying to escape the
>stimulating conversation of Cindy Crawford on Larry King and David
>Letterman, I stumbled across Jennifer Tilly on Leno. I was simultaneously
>both fascinated and horrified. I've liked her in every film I've seen her
>in, including 'Bound'. Like Michael above, I too hoped that perhaps she
>was a bit more cerebral than her characters. The Leno performance was
>like watching a train wreck. It was awful, but I couldn't stop. It
>actually crossed my mind that she was high on something...she can't be
>like that in real life, can she?
>Guy
I've no intimate knowlege but I have noticed a number of women making
an effort to look sexy/stupid. The list includes Tilly, Geena Davis,
and that actress who starred as the pilot of Northen Exposure. She
latter really made an effort to be a valley girl on Leno.
They've been others which escape me at the moment, but I do think
there is a trend to look sexy and stupid.
Jeff Joseph
In article <guyjs-22109...@news.vegas.infi.net>, gu...@infi.net
(Guy Schackman) wrote:
>> my...@apple.com (Michael Dautermann) wrote:
[discussion of Tilly and appearance on Tonight Show deleted]
>That evening was a late-night nightmare. While trying to escape the
>stimulating conversation of Cindy Crawford on Larry King and David
>Letterman, I stumbled across Jennifer Tilly on Leno. I was simultaneously
>both fascinated and horrified. I've liked her in every film I've seen her
>in, including 'Bound'.
"Every" film? EVEN that wretched Canadian film where she played an
eskimo with Lou Diamond Phillips? [forgot the title. The original title
was supposed to be "Aguluk".]
>she can't be like that in real life, can she?
Maybe. But she's getting more employment than her sister these days
isn't she?
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Jeff Joseph
e-mail:jjo...@interlog.com
"I don't know about you, but if I got rich I'd buy something
warm and weatherproof that held still, like a bar" - P.J.
O'Rourke
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Sincere Slayer
kang...@li.net (Kanga) wrote:
> Is this the same Tilly who supposedly recently wrote a great novel or was
> that her sister Meg?
That was Meg, I believe. [who really should act more, imo]
> I was surprised by her spacey appearance on Leno as well. I, too, thought
> the Tilly family was one of those intellectual ones. Maybe smart but
> ditzy? *shrug*
I've read a few interviews with her where she comes off as more
intelligent than you would assume if all you had to go on were her
ditz roles. She could have just been nervous on Leno.
eb
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"I love a man who gives you head...and lets you keep it."
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Chuck Fullerton
Sincere Slayer <eir...@ptw.com> wrote:
She could have just been nervous on Leno.
. .You just didn't see her on Arsenio Hall all those times. She acts
like a complete idiot-wait, I don't think it's an act.
******PERSONAL TO JENNIFER TILLY*********
You suck.
I do *not* want to see you acting like
a lobotomy patient on talk-shows, I do *not* want
to see your so-called films, and I SURE don't want to
see up your fuckin skirt, lady!!!! (Entertainment
Weekly)
FUCK OFF AND GET A CLUE you BRAIN-DEAD FLOOZY!!
!!!!! YOU SUCKSUCKSUCKSUCKSUCK!!!!!!!!
******************************************
-cHuCk
Derrick Hopkins
>******PERSONAL TO JENNIFER TILLY*********
> You suck.
> I do *not* want to see you acting like
>a lobotomy patient on talk-shows, I do *not* want
>to see your so-called films, and I SURE don't want to
>see up your fuckin skirt, lady!!!! (Entertainment
>Weekly)
> FUCK OFF AND GET A CLUE you BRAIN-DEAD FLOOZY!!
>!!!!! YOU SUCKSUCKSUCKSUCKSUCK!!!!!!!!
>******************************************
> -cHuCk
I'm sure Jennifer will see this and start crying. Her heart
will be broken becasue Chuck doesn't like her. Very effective.
Chuck, do you also send email to Saddam Hussien telling
him that is he doesn't reduce his military, you'll call
him names?
D
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Matthew Feeney
Sincere Slayer (eir...@ptw.com) wrote:
: I've read a few interviews with her where she comes off as more
: intelligent than you would assume if all you had to go on were her
: ditz roles. She could have just been nervous on Leno.
I think she's smarter than she sounds, but it was still painful when - in
talking about the dumb guys who tried to pick her up when her hair was
blonde - she said they weren't the types who go home and read Proust, but
pronounced it "Prowst."
Matt
Jeff Joseph
In article <54qtok$9...@newsgate.duke.edu>, mfe...@acpub.duke.edu
(Matthew Feeney) wrote:
>Sincere Slayer (eir...@ptw.com) wrote:
It takes talent to play a convincing "bimbo" on the big screen. The big
reason why Jennifer Tilly has a movie career.....and Pamela Lee doesn't.
Michael Dautermann
> In article <54qtok$9...@newsgate.duke.edu>, mfe...@acpub.duke.edu
> (Matthew Feeney) wrote:
>
> >Sincere Slayer (eir...@ptw.com) wrote:
>
> >: I've read a few interviews with her where she comes off as more
> >: intelligent than you would assume if all you had to go on were her
> >: ditz roles. She could have just been nervous on Leno.
>
> >I think she's smarter than she sounds, but it was still painful when - in
> >talking about the dumb guys who tried to pick her up when her hair was
> >blonde - she said they weren't the types who go home and read Proust, but
> >pronounced it "Prowst."
>
> It takes talent to play a convincing "bimbo" on the big screen. The big
> reason why Jennifer Tilly has a movie career.....and Pamela Lee doesn't.
uh. i gotta disagree.
Pamela Lee (and her breast enhancements) didn't sag at "Barbed Wire"
because of a bad acting job. I'd say blame it on the writers and the
producers who came up with a preposterous movie to begin with.
caveat here, I did not see Barbed Wire, btw. I just know it's lame
because 99% of the postings I saw on this group said it was lame.
On the other hand, I want to consider Jennifer Tilly to be just plain
flat-out LUCKY to have the successful career that she does. From her
appearance on Jay Leno (and just from what else I heard in this thread),
she doesn't seem to be very intellectual in real life at all.
Dan Bongard
Jeff Joseph (jjo...@interlog.com) wrote:
: It takes talent to play a convincing "bimbo" on the big screen. The big
: reason why Jennifer Tilly has a movie career.....and Pamela Lee doesn't.
Pamela Lee is, however, perfectly willing to admit that she's not
all that great an actress and primarily gets by on her looks.
If more Hollywood actors/actresses would admit that I might be a
little more willing to watch these interview shows. :)
-- Dan
George Tsuji
On Wed, 6 Nov 1996, Jeff Joseph wrote:
> In article <54qtok$9...@newsgate.duke.edu>, mfe...@acpub.duke.edu
> (Matthew Feeney) wrote:
> >I think she's smarter than she sounds,
>
> It takes talent to play a convincing "bimbo" on the big screen. The big
> reason why Jennifer Tilly has a movie career.....and Pamela Lee doesn't.
So, how much talent does it take to play a convincing "bimbo" on USENET?
:)
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In article <54k53o$l...@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
aw...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Alex Fung) writes:
>I'd be fairly certain that "Bound" has not been among the top grossing
>films over the past few weeks is due primarily to the fact that it's not
>playing on many screens across North America - I don't have the figures
to
>back me up, but I'd be really surprised if this was on anywhere near 1500
>screens (my unsubstantiated guess would be around half that)
According to the B.O. listings in the 10/29 HR, Bound ranked no. 24 with a
cumulative take of $2.8 million in three weeks on an average of 172
screens.
Jo
"Failure will never overtake me if my determination to succeed is strong
enough."
From The Greatest Salesman in the World
and a special thanks and many apopologies to Kohser for the Nelson Mandela
quote that used to grace my .sig ;-)
Michael Mell
my...@apple.com (Michael Dautermann) wrote:
>In article <55qroe$7...@news.interlog.com>, jjo...@interlog.com wrote:
>
>> In article <54qtok$9...@newsgate.duke.edu>, mfe...@acpub.duke.edu
>> (Matthew Feeney) wrote:
>>
>> >Sincere Slayer (eir...@ptw.com) wrote:
>>
>> >: I've read a few interviews with her where she comes off as more
>> >: intelligent than you would assume if all you had to go on were her
>> >: ditz roles. She could have just been nervous on Leno.
>>
>> >I think she's smarter than she sounds, but it was still painful when - in
>> >talking about the dumb guys who tried to pick her up when her hair was
>> >blonde - she said they weren't the types who go home and read Proust, but
>> >pronounced it "Prowst."
>>
>> It takes talent to play a convincing "bimbo" on the big screen. The big
>> reason why Jennifer Tilly has a movie career.....and Pamela Lee doesn't.
>
>uh. i gotta disagree.
>
>Pamela Lee (and her breast enhancements) didn't sag at "Barbed Wire"
>because of a bad acting job. I'd say blame it on the writers and the
>producers who came up with a preposterous movie to begin with.
>
>caveat here, I did not see Barbed Wire, btw. I just know it's lame
>because 99% of the postings I saw on this group said it was lame.
>
Ummmm. Beg to differ. I wouldn't use these postings to assess a
film.
I too didn't see Barb Wire 'cause, basically, when they promo a movie
with lots of obvious titty shots I have a hard time believing that's
not all they have to offer. That and one of my friends saw it and
game me a big thumbs down.
But I did see a number of other movies that posters to this newsgroup
said was SHIT*SHIT*SHIT. I thoroughly enjoyed them.
I believe most people feel more comfortable saying a movie is crap. It
makes them fell a little superior over others that thought it was
good. Why believing your negative assessment of a movie makes you
superior to others that liked it beats the heck out of me, but there
it is.
Personally, I'd love to dis a movie but to be different from the crowd
over here you should say something is really good.
So, go see Barb Wire, say it's one of the greatest in 1996, and be
prepared to defend your position with your observations and facts.
I'm sure you'll get some response.
Michael
>On the other hand, I want to consider Jennifer Tilly to be just plain
>flat-out LUCKY to have the successful career that she does. From her
>appearance on Jay Leno (and just from what else I heard in this thread),
>she doesn't seem to be very intellectual in real life at all.
Like I said in a previous post, I've seen a number of women do a
stupid on Leno and it looked intentional.
Derrick Hopkins
>Yup, boy was I way off on this one. According to Variety, "Bound" was
>playing on 137 screens as of last week, and dropping like a rock - the
>widest it ever reached was 262 screens. Not sure why Gramercy didn't
>stick behind this one - I think that "Bound" is a film that'll please most
>audiences; the trick is to get the audience into the theatre, with such
>low marquee-wattage as Tilly, Gershon, and Pantoliano.
Gramercy is notorious for have low screen counts. Maybe they just don't
have the distribution muscle to wide-release many films.
The MST-3k movie is a prime example. Good reviews, extremly funny movie,
even a bunch of commercials on the tube, and a built in 'cult'
audience. But it never hit major theatres.
Alex Fung
(chi...@aol.com) writes:
> In article <54k53o$l...@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
> aw...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Alex Fung) writes:
>
Re: "Bound"
>>back me up, but I'd be really surprised if this was on anywhere near 1500
>>screens (my unsubstantiated guess would be around half that)
>
> According to the B.O. listings in the 10/29 HR, Bound ranked no. 24 with a
> cumulative take of $2.8 million in three weeks on an average of 172
> screens.
>
> Jo
Yup, boy was I way off on this one. According to Variety, "Bound" was
playing on 137 screens as of last week, and dropping like a rock - the
widest it ever reached was 262 screens. Not sure why Gramercy didn't
stick behind this one - I think that "Bound" is a film that'll please most
audiences; the trick is to get the audience into the theatre, with such
low marquee-wattage as Tilly, Gershon, and Pantoliano.
--
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"I hope you're not too upset by it; I don't wanna read a headline in a
month's time - 'Outraged Canadian Film-Fan Fire-Bombs Academy Awards
Ceremony; 500 Actors Injured, And Warren Beatty Too'." - Roat, 96/02/14
Jeff Joseph
In article <Pine.SOL.3.91.96110...@spark22.ecf>, George
Tsuji <ts...@ecf.toronto.edu> wrote:
>On Wed, 6 Nov 1996, Jeff Joseph wrote:
>
>> In article <54qtok$9...@newsgate.duke.edu>, mfe...@acpub.duke.edu
>> (Matthew Feeney) wrote:
>
>> >I think she's smarter than she sounds,
>>
>> It takes talent to play a convincing "bimbo" on the big screen. The big
>> reason why Jennifer Tilly has a movie career.....and Pamela Lee doesn't.
>
>So, how much talent does it take to play a convincing "bimbo" on USENET?
Until the man:woman posting ratio changes dramatically, it may not be
measurable yet.
Would make for an interesting project though, wouldn't it? :-)