Is Akiva Goldsman writing The Sum of All Fears???

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Kill Switch

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Aug 27, 1998, 3:00:00 AM8/27/98
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Please someone tell me this is a twisted rumor. I enjoyed Clear and
Present Danger so much, to go from Steven Zaillian(Schindler's List) to
the writer of Batman and Robin would be downright depressing.


Teo Ee Ming

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According to Cinescape Online, he is. I was really contemplating whether he
will destroy the Jack Ryan franchise like he did with Batman. What's wrong
with Hollywood anyway? Why do they keep supporting hack writers like him?

Teo Ee Ming

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KBusby2256

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Aug 27, 1998, 3:00:00 AM8/27/98
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>According to Cinescape Online, he is. I was really contemplating whether he
>will destroy the Jack Ryan franchise like he did with Batman. What's wrong
>with Hollywood anyway? Why do they keep supporting hack writers like him?

how dare Tom Clancy do such a thing! That lunatic will ruin the franchise and
the book!!!!!! They might as well as hired the Farrelley brothers to write and
direct it..
"Look sir, droids"

Skins17a

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Aug 27, 1998, 3:00:00 AM8/27/98
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Are you kidding me?! Where did you hear this from? Please tell me the source is
as reliable as a chainlink condom. Besides, Harrison Ford will NOT stoop down
to the level of saying the stupid shit Akiva writes. I hope not, at least. Look
at Batman and Robin. Every single piece of dialogue was like one sentence, and
there was most likely a horribly stupid cliche or joke in it. This guy needs a
couple smacks in the face.

EddisJ

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Aug 27, 1998, 3:00:00 AM8/27/98
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what else has Akiva written?

Kill Switch

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Aug 27, 1998, 3:00:00 AM8/27/98
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EddisJ wrote:

> what else has Akiva written?

Lost In Space, Batman Forever, Batman and Robin. Some others but I can't
remember.


TomRipley

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Aug 27, 1998, 3:00:00 AM8/27/98
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On Thu, 27 Aug 1998 05:36:21 -0400, Kill Switch
<tra...@REMOVE.yahoo.com> wrote:

>Please someone tell me this is a twisted rumor. I enjoyed Clear and
>Present Danger so much, to go from Steven Zaillian(Schindler's List) to
>the writer of Batman and Robin would be downright depressing.

NO!!!!! DEAR GOD, NO!!!!!!!

Hell. I think I'm just gonna slit my wrists and get it over with...

Tom
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BuddingFox

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Aug 28, 1998, 3:00:00 AM8/28/98
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To the producers of "Sum Of All Fears" : what would persaude you to hire the
man who sunk the Batman, John Grisham and potential Lost In Space franchises
with geriatic storylines, cliched characters and cheesy dialogue to carry on
Tom Clancy epics into the next millenium ?

Goldsman's films have made some bucks, but there is no one else outside maybe
Ed Wood who personifies Hollywood cheese like Akiva Goldsman does.

Aren't Steven Zaillian, David Koepp, John Milius, Jeb Stuart, David Twohy or
Joss Whedon - guys who have written cool military thrillers - available?
Dictation from these guys would be better than a full script from a hack like
Goldsman.

Unless he gets severely rewritten, I anticipate Lost In Space/Batman & Robin
type audience groaning over the end credits on this one.

Bud Fox

Vozhd

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Aug 28, 1998, 3:00:00 AM8/28/98
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>From: Kill Switch <tra...@REMOVE.yahoo.com>

Don't dare forget A TIME TO KILL, another collaboration with Joel Schumacher,
in which Goldsman contributes perhaps the worst courtroom speech ever uttered
in a movie, Matt. McConaughey's ". . . now imagine she's black" bit, teary eyes
and all. I doubt Goldsman could write an effective signature, from the
evidence of his screenplays.


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Brian Takeshita

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Aug 28, 1998, 3:00:00 AM8/28/98
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vo...@aol.com (Vozhd) wrote:

>>EddisJ wrote:
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>>> what else has Akiva written?

>Don't dare forget A TIME TO KILL, another collaboration with Joel Schumacher,


>in which Goldsman contributes perhaps the worst courtroom speech ever uttered
>in a movie, Matt. McConaughey's ". . . now imagine she's black" bit, teary eyes
>and all. I doubt Goldsman could write an effective signature, from the
>evidence of his screenplays.

Sorry to nitpick. but I believe the line was "Now imagine she's
white."

-Brian


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Aug 28, 1998, 3:00:00 AM8/28/98
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In article <35E52895...@REMOVE.yahoo.com>, Kill Switch <tra...@REMOVE.yahoo.com> writes:
>Please someone tell me this is a twisted rumor. I enjoyed Clear and
>Present Danger so much, to go from Steven Zaillian(Schindler's List) to
>the writer of Batman and Robin would be downright depressing.
>


Akiva Goldsman is writing a draft of The Sum of All Fears. Hopefully the
producer Mace Neufield will see the error of his ways and hire a good writer.
The only good thing about this is that producers seem to go through so many
writers and drafts that the Goldman draft might not be the shooting script.


thomas

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Aug 30, 1998, 3:00:00 AM8/30/98
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Actually, if I recall correctly, this speech is taken almost verbatim from the
Grisham novel. I do believe that the speech was in given in a somewhat less
dramatic context, and maybe possibly attributed to a different character.
(Unfortunately I'm at work and don't have access to the novel right now. Maybe
if you all beg nicely I'll dig it out when I get home and find specifics.)


> Don't dare forget A TIME TO KILL, another collaboration with Joel Schumacher,
> in which Goldsman contributes perhaps the worst courtroom speech ever uttered
> in a movie, Matt. McConaughey's ". . . now imagine she's black" bit, teary
eyes
> and all. I doubt Goldsman could write an effective signature, from the
> evidence of his screenplays.

>

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John Harkness

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Aug 30, 1998, 3:00:00 AM8/30/98
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SPOILER


You are correct, sir.

The speech is straight out of the novel, and is delivered, basically,
"off-screen" -- when the lawyer character asks one of the jurors why
they decided in favour of his client, the juror relates that another
juror gave the speech that McConaughey's character gives in the
courtroom in the movie.

Akiva Goldsman's not the ONLY bad writer out there, you know.

John

Timothy H. Damon

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Sep 1, 1998, 3:00:00 AM9/1/98
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In a previous article, j...@netcom.ca (John Harkness) says:

>SPOILER
>
I'm confused - I thought THE SUM OF ALL FEARS was a Tom Clancy novel -
Grisham has a book w/ the same title?>

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John Harkness

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Timothy H. Damon wrote:
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> In a previous article, j...@netcom.ca (John Harkness) says:
>
> >SPOILER
> >
> I'm confused - I thought THE SUM OF ALL FEARS was a Tom Clancy novel -
> Grisham has a book w/ the same title?>
> >

If you'd been paying attention, you'd realize that this discussion had
slipped over to Goldsman's screenplay for A Time To Kill, which is based
on a Grisham novel.

Given how bad The Sum Of All Fears is, I'd say that Goldsman couldn't
hurt it.


John

jse...@ime.net

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Sep 1, 1998, 3:00:00 AM9/1/98
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John Harkness (j...@netcom.ca) wrote:
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: Given how bad The Sum Of All Fears is, I'd say that Goldsman couldn't
: hurt it.

I'd contest your opinion of The Sum Of All Fears - probably my
favorite Clancy novel - but I don't think Goldsman is the person to be
worried about here, especially if Paramount is smart and gets Zallian to
rewrite the script. I'm much more concerned about the director. My
friends and I had to finish the last 300 pages of The Sum Of All Fears in
one sitting, and it will take a helluva director to translate that level
of suspense to the screen. I certainly don't think Philip Noyce is up to
it; he's decent, but not great. McTiernan, of course, would probably be
ideal, and hopefully "Sum" will be ready for him as soon as he's finished
The Thomas Crown Affair. Wolfgang Petersen is a close second (and Ford
evidently loved working with him on Air Force One), but it's important
that Paramount hires someone who can build tension.

John Harkness

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Sep 1, 1998, 3:00:00 AM9/1/98
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jse...@ime.net wrote:
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> John Harkness (j...@netcom.ca) wrote:
> :
> : Given how bad The Sum Of All Fears is, I'd say that Goldsman couldn't
> : hurt it.
>
> I'd contest your opinion of The Sum Of All Fears - probably my
> favorite Clancy novel

It takes him 500 pages to get everything into position -- That's just
way too much exposition.

John

jse...@ime.net

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Sep 1, 1998, 3:00:00 AM9/1/98
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John Harkness (j...@netcom.ca) wrote:

Yeah, but those last 300 pages are worth it, big time. And even
the first half is fun in a way - you can see Clancy setting something up
just so, and it's almost like that clackety-clack as you climb to the top
of a roller coaster. I wish the exposition had moved swifter, but the
payoff is sufficient. And if there's a good director attached, you could
put the Super Bowl at the 1:15 mark of a 2:15 movie and have a heck of a
ride.


John Harkness

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Sep 1, 1998, 3:00:00 AM9/1/98
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I don't know just how much I needed of them building the bomb, stealing
the heavy water, etcetera, etcetera -- Frederick Forsyth always did that
logistical crap a lot faster, and is there a single character in the
Ryan books since Red October that isn't a big fat cliche?

John

John Harkness

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Sep 1, 1998, 3:00:00 AM9/1/98
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jse...@ime.net wrote:
>
> John Harkness (j...@netcom.ca) wrote:
> :
> : I don't know just how much I needed of them building the bomb, stealing

> : the heavy water, etcetera, etcetera -- Frederick Forsyth always did that
> : logistical crap a lot faster,
>
> The detail is part of the appeal of Clancy's books to his fans -
> knowing exactly what's going on makes the threats more real. The movie
> will probably streamline the process (if I had to guess, they'll get rid
> of the East Germans entirely). Sometimes the detail gets annoying -
> there's a few pages in Sum, for example, that are just lousy with
> anagrams; Larry Bond's novels have a glossary because of it - but as part
> of the audience you sometimes have to know exactly what's going on, so
> that nothing just comes out of left field.
>
> : and is there a single character in the Ryan books since Red October that

> : isn't a big fat cliche?
>
> I think Ding Chavez is a little better developed than that, as is
> the financier who became President Ryan's treasury secretary. To a
> certain extent, though, Clancy books are all plot and atmosphere: Pulp
> novels dressed up for a savvier, more knowledgable audience. Nothing
> wrong with that as long as they're executed well, and that's part of the
> reason you can make good action/adventure movies out of those books.

Of course, aside from Red October, nobody's managed to make a good
action/adventure movie out of any of them. Harrison Ford doesn't help --
that weird decision he made in Clear And Present Danger that Jack Ryan
shouldn't carry a gun (isn't Ryan an ex-marine?)

I can't read Clancy -- the prose just lies there in big, inelegant
chunks. If it wasn't for transatlantic plane rides, I don't think I
would have read any of them.

John

jse...@ime.net

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Sep 2, 1998, 3:00:00 AM9/2/98
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Kill Switch

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Sep 4, 1998, 3:00:00 AM9/4/98
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John Harkness wrote:

> Of course, aside from Red October, nobody's managed to make a good
> action/adventure movie out of any of them. Harrison Ford doesn't help --
> that weird decision he made in Clear And Present Danger that Jack Ryan
> shouldn't carry a gun (isn't Ryan an ex-marine?)

He DID carry a gun in Clear and P. D.


jse...@ime.net

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Kill Switch (tra...@REMOVE.yahoo.com) wrote:
: John Harkness wrote:
: >
: > Of course, aside from Red October, nobody's managed to make a good

: > action/adventure movie out of any of them. Harrison Ford doesn't help --
: > that weird decision he made in Clear And Present Danger that Jack Ryan
: > shouldn't carry a gun (isn't Ryan an ex-marine?)
:
: He DID carry a gun in Clear and P. D.

I don't think so; I'll have to watch it again when I get the DVD,
but I'm pretty sure Ryan never even picks a gun up in C&PD. I even recall
one being shot away from him while he's meeting with the villain in the
end. I remember thinking it was funny that Ford engaged in more gunplay
in "Sabrina" than he did in "Clear & Present Danger" and "The Fugitive"
combined.


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