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Stephen Thompson

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Well, okay, not really. But the CAPalert guy finally found out she was under
eighteen...

"And Thora Birch, one of the two actresses in the movie who permitted the
world to see their femine attributes is reported to be only 17 years old!
Since the threshold of acceptability of gratuitous nudity content has now
sleezed into the lives of 13-year old kids and even younger (ref: Titanic -
PG-13, The Fifth Element - PG-13, others), why not let younger and younger
girls bare themselves onscreen? Maybe in another few years 16 year old girls
will be permitted to participate in this enlightened and progressive freedom?
In a few more years, 15, 14, 13.......?"
http://www.capalert.com/capreports/americanbeauty.htm

It's even worse than he thinks. She was actually sixteen when the scene was
shot, so our slide into the abyss is a few years ahead of schedule.

==============================================================================
1999: 1. Rushmore* 2. Go 3. American Beauty 4. The Sixth Sense 5. Three Kings
6. Fight Club 7. Mystery Men 8. Austin Powers 2 9. Eyes Wide Shut 10. Minus
Man 11. The Matrix 12. Phantom Menace 13. Blair Witch Project 14. South Park
15. The Muse 16. Summer of Sam 17. 8MM 18. Bowfinger 19. Blue Streak 20.
Payback 21. Deep Blue Sea 22. The Mummy 23. Tarzan 24. Mod Squad 25. Thomas
Crown Affair 26. General's Daughter 27. True Crime 28. Entrapment 29. Carrie 2
(*I know, very limited '98 release.)

Gloria S Chase

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Stephen Thompson wrote:
>
> Well, okay, not really. But the CAPalert guy finally found out she was under
> eighteen...

This is one of the funniest web sites I've ever seen! Is it a parody?

http://capalert.com/capreports/southpark.htm

"Straight from the smoking pits of hell"? "Igniting anal wind"? "The
most foul of foul words"? "'Let's ([homo]sexual intercourse)'"????

What the fuck, huh? I mean really, what the fucking fuck???

Brian J. Chase

Stephen Thompson

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Gloria S Chase <thec...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>Stephen Thompson wrote:

>>Well, okay, not really. But the CAPalert guy finally found out she was
>>under eighteen...

>This is one of the funniest web sites I've ever seen! Is it a parody?

Perhaps, but not an intentional one.

>What the fuck, huh? I mean really, what the fucking fuck???

Welcome to the party. Some folks seem to enjoy my summaries of favorite
CAPalert items, so if you're interested, have a look...

http://x40.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=507390579
http://x21.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=533826837

akh...@my-deja.com

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In article <38267959...@news.slurp.com>,

th...@REMOVE-TO-EMAIL.cableaz.com wrote:
> Well, okay, not really. But the CAPalert guy finally found out she
was under
> eighteen...
>
> "And Thora Birch, one of the two actresses in the movie who permitted
the
> world to see their femine attributes is reported to be only 17 years
old!
> Since the threshold of acceptability of gratuitous nudity content has
now
> sleezed into the lives of 13-year old kids and even younger (ref:
Titanic -
> PG-13, The Fifth Element - PG-13, others), why not let younger and
younger
> girls bare themselves onscreen? Maybe in another few years 16 year
old girls
> will be permitted to participate in this enlightened and progressive
freedom?
> In a few more years, 15, 14, 13.......?"
> http://www.capalert.com/capreports/americanbeauty.htm
>
> It's even worse than he thinks. She was actually sixteen when the
scene was
> shot, so our slide into the abyss is a few years ahead of schedule.
>
>

Thanks -- that was hilarious, and if more of Thora-like breasts is the
price we pay for sliding into the abyss, I am diving into it right
now!!!


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Before you buy.

Brian Krak0w

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>
>Well, okay, not really. But the CAPalert guy finally found out she was under
>eighteen...
>
>"And Thora Birch, one of the two actresses in the movie who permitted the
>world to see their femine attributes is reported to be only 17 years old!
>Since the threshold of acceptability of gratuitous nudity content has now
>sleezed into the lives of 13-year old kids and even younger (ref: Titanic -
>PG-13, The Fifth Element - PG-13, others), why not let younger and younger
>girls bare themselves onscreen? Maybe in another few years 16 year old girls
>will be permitted to participate in this enlightened and progressive freedom?
>In a few more years, 15, 14, 13.......?"
>http://www.capalert.com/capreports/americanbeauty.htm
>
>It's even worse than he thinks. She was actually sixteen when the scene was
>shot, so our slide into the abyss is a few years ahead of schedule.
>

Big deal.See Walkabout, circa 1971.

Larry M.
http://members.xoom.com/lmcgill/movpage.htm

shanihn

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In article <38209BF7...@worldnet.att.net>, Gloria S Chase

<thec...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> Stephen Thompson wrote:
> >
> > Well, okay, not really. But the CAPalert guy finally found out
> she was under
> > eighteen...
> This is one of the funniest web sites I've ever seen! Is it a
> parody?
> http://capalert.com/capreports/southpark.htm
> "Straight from the smoking pits of hell"? "Igniting anal wind"?
> "The
> most foul of foul words"? "'Let's ([homo]sexual
> intercourse)'"????
> What the fuck, huh? I mean really, what the fucking fuck???
> Brian J. Chase

Whenever I want a good laugh, I check out the CAP site. No, it is not
a parody, which just makes it that much funnier!

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McNeeley

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On Wed, 03 Nov 1999 18:18:02 GMT, th...@cableaz.com (Stephen Thompson)

wrote:
>Well, okay, not really. But the CAPalert guy finally found out she was under
>eighteen...
>
>"And Thora Birch, one of the two actresses in the movie who permitted the
>world to see their femine attributes is reported to be only 17 years old!
>Since the threshold of acceptability of gratuitous nudity content has now
>sleezed into the lives of 13-year old kids and even younger (ref: Titanic -
>PG-13, The Fifth Element - PG-13, others), why not let younger and younger
>girls bare themselves onscreen? Maybe in another few years 16 year old girls
>will be permitted to participate in this enlightened and progressive freedom?
>In a few more years, 15, 14, 13.......?"
>http://www.capalert.com/capreports/americanbeauty.htm
>
>It's even worse than he thinks. She was actually sixteen when the scene was
>shot, so our slide into the abyss is a few years ahead of schedule.

Good. Soon my master plan will be complete.

Cheers,

Todd "Servant of Ming The Merciless" McNeeley

email: mcneeley at donet dot com

Don Porter

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>> Maybe in another few years 16 year old girls
>> will be permitted to participate in this enlightened and progressive freedom?
>> In a few more years, 15, 14, 13.......?"

Brian Krak0w <brian...@aol.com> wrote:
> Big deal.See Walkabout, circa 1971.

When was that filmed? Jenny Agutter was born in 1952.

Better be sure the CAPalert folks don't get a copy of PRETTY BABY.

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Thomas Skogestad

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* Stephen Thompson

| http://x21.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=533826837

Breast bulge? Does that mean that all girls are immoral?

| http://x24.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=507390579

The amount of exposure of the curvature of Tarzan's glutemous maximi

Ah. The famous Roman emperor. (Hint: John Sayles movie.)

--
thomas.s...@jusstud.uio.no
«Sometimes people laugh at silent films because they find them corny or
feel superior to them. I can understand that. I felt the same way about
`Armageddon.'» -- Leonard Maltin

Siva

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Perhaps this is just me, but while I was watching I got the impression
that the breasts shown were very possibly not Thora Birch's very own...
maybe it was the way that the scene was shot, with the window slightly
impeding the view. Is it confirmed that those are her's? Not that it
would calm the Capalert folks any...

Siva

In article <38267959...@news.slurp.com>, th...@cableaz.com


(Stephen Thompson) wrote:
> Well, okay, not really. But the CAPalert guy finally found out she
> was under
> eighteen...
> "And Thora Birch, one of the two actresses in the movie who
> permitted the
> world to see their femine attributes is reported to be only 17
> years old!
> Since the threshold of acceptability of gratuitous nudity content
> has now
> sleezed into the lives of 13-year old kids and even younger (ref:
> Titanic -
> PG-13, The Fifth Element - PG-13, others), why not let younger and
> younger

> girls bare themselves onscreen? Maybe in another few years 16 year


> old girls
> will be permitted to participate in this enlightened and
> progressive freedom?
> In a few more years, 15, 14, 13.......?"

> http://www.capalert.com/capreports/americanbeauty.htm
> It's even worse than he thinks. She was actually sixteen when the
> scene was
> shot, so our slide into the abyss is a few years ahead of schedule.

> ===================================================================


> ===========
> 1999: 1. Rushmore* 2. Go 3. American Beauty 4. The Sixth Sense 5.
> Three Kings
> 6. Fight Club 7. Mystery Men 8. Austin Powers 2 9. Eyes Wide Shut
> 10. Minus
> Man 11. The Matrix 12. Phantom Menace 13. Blair Witch Project 14.
> South Park
> 15. The Muse 16. Summer of Sam 17. 8MM 18. Bowfinger 19. Blue
> Streak 20.
> Payback 21. Deep Blue Sea 22. The Mummy 23. Tarzan 24. Mod Squad
> 25. Thomas
> Crown Affair 26. General's Daughter 27. True Crime 28. Entrapment
> 29. Carrie 2
> (*I know, very limited '98 release.)

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John H

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Nov 4, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/4/99
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Here we go again. Those are, according to several interviews, the
actress's actuall breasts.

John Harkness

Baby Yoda

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Who really cares??? If her parents signed a permission form - then FINE>

John H <jgx...@netcom.ca> wrote in message
news:3821ba0a....@nntp.netcom.ca...

Fawlty

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Siva <shannan8...@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote in message
news:2750ac20...@usw-ex0102-016.remarq.com...

> Perhaps this is just me, but while I was watching I got the impression
> that the breasts shown were very possibly not Thora Birch's very own...
> maybe it was the way that the scene was shot, with the window slightly
> impeding the view. Is it confirmed that those are her's? Not that it
> would calm the Capalert folks any...
Contact KalS...@aol.com about this. He also believes the breasts are not
hers, possibly computer generated or altered.

/Mike

Stephen Thompson

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Siva <shannan8...@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote:

>Perhaps this is just me, but while I was watching I got the impression that
>the breasts shown were very possibly not Thora Birch's very own... maybe it
>was the way that the scene was shot, with the window slightly impeding the
>view. Is it confirmed that those are her's?

There's one conspiracy-minded fellow around here who still has serious doubts,
but most who've discussed it seem convinced that it was really her.

She's talked in interviews about what it was like to do the scene. Sam Mendes
has said she was brave in doing it, and denied that a body double was used.
(He seemed surprised that there was even a question.) Both her parents and the
California Child Labor Board approved the scene and were on the set when it
was shot.

==============================================================================

Ken James Burke

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On 3 Nov 1999, Brian Krak0w wrote:
>
> Big deal.See Walkabout, circa 1971.
>
Mmmmmm. Jenny Agutter. Mmmmmmm. This is pretty well guaranteed, as she was
born on December 20, 1952. For her to have been underage for this early 1971
release, the scenes in question would have to have been shot before
December 1970. In my mind, though, the fact that I was *also* underage
when I first saw WALKABOUT completely absolves the filmmakers from any
shame (and earned my sincere gratitude).

===========================================================================
Ken Burke <aa...@chebucto.ns.ca> Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
Last five movies, rated: DARK CITY: B-(v) OUR HOSPITALITY: A(v), CLERKS: C-(v)
FRANKENSTEIN: B+(v), COPYCAT: B(v) {(v) = seen on video}

'Top ten of '99 so far:
1. Fight Club 2. Eyes Wide Shut 3. The Iron Giant 4. American Beauty 5.
Cookie's Fortune 6. The Matrix 7. Election 8. Summer of Sam 9. Three Kings
10. eXistenZ
===========================================================================


shanihn

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In article <19991103155558...@ng-fr1.aol.com>,

brian...@aol.com (Brian Krak0w) wrote:
> >
> >Well, okay, not really. But the CAPalert guy finally found out
> she was under
> >eighteen...
> >
> >"And Thora Birch, one of the two actresses in the movie who
> permitted the
> >world to see their femine attributes is reported to be only 17
> years old!
> >Since the threshold of acceptability of gratuitous nudity content
> has now
> >sleezed into the lives of 13-year old kids and even younger (ref:
> Titanic -
> >PG-13, The Fifth Element - PG-13, others), why not let younger
> and younger
> >girls bare themselves onscreen? Maybe in another few years 16
> year old girls
> >will be permitted to participate in this enlightened and
> progressive freedom?
> >In a few more years, 15, 14, 13.......?"
> >http://www.capalert.com/capreports/americanbeauty.htm
> >
> >It's even worse than he thinks. She was actually sixteen when the
> scene was
> >shot, so our slide into the abyss is a few years ahead of
> schedule.
> >
> Big deal.See Walkabout, circa 1971.
> Larry M.
> http://members.xoom.com/lmcgill/movpage.htm

If I'm not mistaken, Jane March was a minor when she did "The Lover".
If I am wrong, please someone feel free to correct me.

das...@my-deja.com

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Here is an excerpt from a post I found on moviething.com.
Although it is possible this person is mistaken, they
must have some basis for identifying Marina Freeman as
the body double. Anyone know who Marina Freeman is, and
what her role was, if in fact she was not a body double?

"They used a body double for the window scene.
Thora was only sixteen when they shot American
Beauty. The breasts you saw belonged to
body-double Marina Freeman."

In article <3821ba0a....@nntp.netcom.ca>,


jgx...@netcom.ca (John H) wrote:
> Here we go again. Those are, according to several interviews, the
> actress's actuall breasts.
>
> John Harkness
>

> On Thu, 04 Nov 1999 07:07:57 -0800, Siva


> <shannan8...@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote:
>
> >Perhaps this is just me, but while I was watching I got the
impression
> >that the breasts shown were very possibly not Thora Birch's very
own...
> >maybe it was the way that the scene was shot, with the window
slightly

> >impeding the view. Is it confirmed that those are her's? Not that
it
> >would calm the Capalert folks any...
> >

> >(Stephen Thompson) wrote:
> >> Well, okay, not really. But the CAPalert guy finally found out she
> >> was under
> >> eighteen...
> >> "And Thora Birch, one of the two actresses in the movie who
> >> permitted the
> >> world to see their femine attributes is reported to be only 17
> >> years old!
> >> Since the threshold of acceptability of gratuitous nudity content
> >> has now
> >> sleezed into the lives of 13-year old kids and even younger (ref:
> >> Titanic -
> >> PG-13, The Fifth Element - PG-13, others), why not let younger and
> >> younger
> >> girls bare themselves onscreen? Maybe in another few years 16 year
> >> old girls
> >> will be permitted to participate in this enlightened and
> >> progressive freedom?
> >> In a few more years, 15, 14, 13.......?"
> >> http://www.capalert.com/capreports/americanbeauty.htm
> >> It's even worse than he thinks. She was actually sixteen when the
> >> scene was
> >> shot, so our slide into the abyss is a few years ahead of schedule.

> >> ===================================================================


> >> ===========
> >> 1999: 1. Rushmore* 2. Go 3. American Beauty 4. The Sixth Sense 5.
> >> Three Kings
> >> 6. Fight Club 7. Mystery Men 8. Austin Powers 2 9. Eyes Wide Shut
> >> 10. Minus
> >> Man 11. The Matrix 12. Phantom Menace 13. Blair Witch Project 14.
> >> South Park
> >> 15. The Muse 16. Summer of Sam 17. 8MM 18. Bowfinger 19. Blue
> >> Streak 20.
> >> Payback 21. Deep Blue Sea 22. The Mummy 23. Tarzan 24. Mod Squad
> >> 25. Thomas
> >> Crown Affair 26. General's Daughter 27. True Crime 28. Entrapment
> >> 29. Carrie 2
> >> (*I know, very limited '98 release.)
> >
> >
> >

> >* Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion
Network *
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Free!
> >
>
>

Siva

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Thanks much for not getting persnicketty about my ignorance regarding
the debate around this topic (I haven't followed all the threads, as
you can tell!). The shot just looked a little distorted to me (I guess
that glass might have that effect) and it seemed like it would be easy
to alter it a bit if they so wished.

Siva

In article <3825ccac...@news.slurp.com>, th...@cableaz.com


(Stephen Thompson) wrote:
> Siva <shannan8...@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote:
> >Perhaps this is just me, but while I was watching I got the
> impression that
> >the breasts shown were very possibly not Thora Birch's very
> own... maybe it
> >was the way that the scene was shot, with the window slightly
> impeding the
> >view. Is it confirmed that those are her's?

> There's one conspiracy-minded fellow around here who still has
> serious doubts,
> but most who've discussed it seem convinced that it was really her.
> She's talked in interviews about what it was like to do the scene.
> Sam Mendes
> has said she was brave in doing it, and denied that a body double
> was used.
> (He seemed surprised that there was even a question.) Both her
> parents and the
> California Child Labor Board approved the scene and were on the
> set when it
> was shot.

Stephen Thompson

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das...@my-deja.com wrote:

>Here is an excerpt from a post I found on moviething.com. Although it is
>possible this person is mistaken, they must have some basis for identifying
>Marina Freeman as the body double. Anyone know who Marina Freeman is, and
>what her role was, if in fact she was not a body double?
>
>"They used a body double for the window scene. Thora was only sixteen when
>they shot American Beauty. The breasts you saw belonged to body-double
>Marina Freeman."

On the crew list for AMERICAN BEAUTY, IMDb lists Marina Freeman as a stand-in,
which is not the same as body double. Assuming the credit is accurate, someone
probably thought incorrectly that it meant she had body doubled for Birch.

By the way, I thought I'd see if there was any follow-up, so I searched the
Moviething.com forums for both "Marina" and "Thora". The post you describe
isn't there, at least not now.

==============================================================================

Alex Fung

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shanihn (smullina...@sprynet.com.invalid) writes:
> If I'm not mistaken, Jane March was a minor when she did "The Lover".
> If I am wrong, please someone feel free to correct me.
>

I'm pretty sure that Jane March was eighteen when she filmed THE LOVER. I
recall the controversy which erupted mostly centered around the fact that
her character in the film was a minor. (A lot of people also felt she
looked awfully young, too.)

Great cinematography in that picture -- Robert Fraisse, I think.
--
Alex Fung (aw...@freenet.carleton.ca) | http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~aw220/

Baelzar

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Gloria S Chase wrote in message <38209BF7...@worldnet.att.net>...

>What the fuck, huh? I mean really, what the fucking fuck???


PLEASE tell me you got this line from the same place I got it. I'll give
you a hint: S&L.

If not, please disregard.

>Brian J. Chase

das...@my-deja.com

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In article <38330f9f...@news.slurp.com>,


The URL is:

http://moviething.com/cgi-bin/comments/ssi.cgi?action=read&review=939049
611&file=thorabirch

It still seems to be there.

das...@my-deja.com

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In article <7vumh6$ket$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,

Sorry this URL unfortunately got split over two lines. In any
event it is in the "Bios" section. Another way to get to the
post is through the following URL:

http://moviething.com/bios/thorabirch/

Towards the bottom of the page is a post which clearly refers
to a "body double". Click on that.

It seems moviething.com is somewhat slow to post new messages
so I would not expect to see any followups there any time soon.

Fawlty

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<das...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:7vumh6$ket$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...

> In article <38330f9f...@news.slurp.com>,
> th...@REMOVE-TO-EMAIL.cableaz.com wrote:
> > On the crew list for AMERICAN BEAUTY, IMDb lists Marina Freeman as a
> stand-in,
> > which is not the same as body double. Assuming the credit is accurate,
> someone
> > probably thought incorrectly that it meant she had body doubled for
> Birch.
> >
> > By the way, I thought I'd see if there was any follow-up, so I
> searched the
> > Moviething.com forums for both "Marina" and "Thora". The post you
> describe
> > isn't there, at least not now.
>
>
> The URL is:
>
> http://moviething.com/cgi-bin/comments/ssi.cgi?action=read&review=939049
> 611&file=thorabirch
>
> It still seems to be there.

I guess it all boils down to who you trust the most: the movie's director,
the actress in question, and people like Moriarty and Roger Ebert, or an
anonymous poster on a WWW message-board.

/Mike

Ghost of KalElFan

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In article <7vusgs$i5k$1...@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net>, "Fawlty"
<faw...@hotmail.com> writes:

>I guess it all boils down to who you trust the most: the movie's
>director, the actress in question, and people like Moriarty and
>Roger Ebert, or an anonymous poster on a WWW message-board.

Except that no one's ever said it in a straight question and
answer, in fact in what little we do have they were curiously
evasive, suggesting obfuscation. Ebert's *site* had some
canned answer like this that some spokesperson gave them.
Ebert has never said anything about this to my knowledge,
and that canned answer his site was given doesn't address
the question.

Then you have the suspicious nature of the shot, the fact
it's Dreamworks and she was 16, potential trouble in certain
jurisdictions because of that and the portrayal of under-18s
in at least arguably sexual and/or voyeuristic situations,
things like Mena's modesty on Leno doesn't mesh, curious
reports like this that pull a name out of the blue and seem
a stretch to just make up (there was a post like this on the
AICN board that didn't mention Freeman but seemed equally
certain it was fake), and the equally curious lack of specifics
from everyone babbling about interviews that supposedly
say otherwise. The latter smack of the kind of internet
myth that just gets propogated and propogated, without
most people who refer to it having a clue what they're talking
about.

Anyway, it's been fun watching this thread, at least since
that poster brought this Marina Freeman rumor up.

KalS...@aol.com
http://www.scifipi.com

shanihn

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In article <7vtgbs$i...@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,

aw...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Alex Fung) wrote:
> shanihn (smullina...@sprynet.com.invalid) writes:
> > If I'm not mistaken, Jane March was a minor when she did "The
> Lover".
> > If I am wrong, please someone feel free to correct me.
> >
> I'm pretty sure that Jane March was eighteen when she filmed THE
> LOVER. I
> recall the controversy which erupted mostly centered around the
> fact that
> her character in the film was a minor. (A lot of people also felt
> she
> looked awfully young, too.)
> Great cinematography in that picture -- Robert Fraisse, I think.
> --
Fantastic film, one of the few in my permanent video library. She does
look very young in the film, I guess that's why I thought she was a
minor.

John H

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On 5 Nov 1999 02:45:16 GMT, aw...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Alex Fung)
wrote:

>
>shanihn (smullina...@sprynet.com.invalid) writes:
>> If I'm not mistaken, Jane March was a minor when she did "The Lover".
>> If I am wrong, please someone feel free to correct me.
>>
>
>I'm pretty sure that Jane March was eighteen when she filmed THE LOVER. I
>recall the controversy which erupted mostly centered around the fact that
>her character in the film was a minor. (A lot of people also felt she
>looked awfully young, too.)
>
>Great cinematography in that picture -- Robert Fraisse, I think.
>--

Borderline call on March -- she was born in, appropriately enough,
March 1973, and The Lover was released in 1981. The character, however
was 15, if I remember Duras' novella.

John Harkness

DESSCRIBE1

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Ken James Burke wrote:

>On 3 Nov 1999, Brian Krak0w wrote:
>>

>> Big deal.See Walkabout, circa 1971.
>>

>Mmmmmm. Jenny Agutter. Mmmmmmm. This is pretty well guaranteed, as she was
>born on December 20, 1952. For her to have been underage for this early 1971
>release, the scenes in question would have to have been shot before
>December 1970. In my mind, though, the fact that I was *also* underage
>when I first saw WALKABOUT completely absolves the filmmakers from any
>shame (and earned my sincere gratitude).

Yeah, but let's not forget her little brother, played by Lucien John (Roeg),
who joined in the final skinny-dipping scene and was DEFINITELY a minor. And
he was the director's son, too, so I can't even BEGIN to imagine the kind of
frothing-at-the-mouth that would inspire in the CAPAlert guy...

Erich

"I'm like a tree, I'm all root, hep to the jep what it's all aboot."--Cab
Calloway

shanihn

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In article <38224bff....@nntp.netcom.ca>, jgx...@netcom.ca (John
I believe the movie was released in 1991. Or else Miss March was 7 or
8.

Reagen Sulewski

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kals...@aol.com (Ghost of KalElFan) wrote in
<19991105103912...@ngol05.aol.com>:

>In article <7vusgs$i5k$1...@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net>, "Fawlty"
><faw...@hotmail.com> writes:
>
>>I guess it all boils down to who you trust the most: the movie's
>>director, the actress in question, and people like Moriarty and
>>Roger Ebert, or an anonymous poster on a WWW message-board.
>
>Except that no one's ever said it in a straight question and
>answer, in fact in what little we do have they were curiously
>evasive, suggesting obfuscation. Ebert's *site* had some
>canned answer like this that some spokesperson gave them.
>Ebert has never said anything about this to my knowledge,
>and that canned answer his site was given doesn't address
>the question.
>

Not everyone is as paranoid as you. Methinks that even if they -did- deny
it(as he has with the body double-the issue in question in this thread),
you'd say they were lying to cover up. There's no reasoning with you.

>Then you have the suspicious nature of the shot, the fact
>it's Dreamworks and she was 16, potential trouble in certain
>jurisdictions because of that and the portrayal of under-18s
>in at least arguably sexual and/or voyeuristic situations,
>things like Mena's modesty on Leno doesn't mesh, curious
>reports like this that pull a name out of the blue and seem
>a stretch to just make up (there was a post like this on the
>AICN board that didn't mention Freeman but seemed equally
>certain it was fake), and the equally curious lack of specifics
>from everyone babbling about interviews that supposedly
>say otherwise. The latter smack of the kind of internet
>myth that just gets propogated and propogated, without
>most people who refer to it having a clue what they're talking
>about.
>
>Anyway, it's been fun watching this thread, at least since
>that poster brought this Marina Freeman rumor up.

If you're taking -this- as a victory, it only shows how low you've sunk.

Stephen Thompson

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das...@my-deja.com wrote:
>th...@cableaz.com wrote:


>>By the way, I thought I'd see if there was any follow-up, so I searched the
>>Moviething.com forums for both "Marina" and "Thora". The post you describe
>>isn't there, at least not now.

Thanks for the pointer. I was told that their servers are at least partially
down, so maybe that's why the search didn't find it. (Still doesn't.) Anyway,
there isn't any follow-up or indication of who this guy is, so for now I'll
stick with the director as the best authority so far.

n(m)

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>Good. Soon my master plan will be complete.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Todd "Servant of Ming The Merciless" McNeeley
>

Dammit! Dammit, dammit, dammit, dammit . . . almost gone, and then:

"FLASH!! AH-AAAHH!!"

--
Noah

"I have made good judgements in the Past. I have made
good judgements in the Future."
-- Vice President Dan Quayle

n(m)

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>Breast bulge? Does that mean that all girls are immoral?
>

My favorite is the description of Carrie Fisher's "breast bounce" in Star
Wars. Apparently there is indeed gravity in space.

Ghost of KalElFan

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In article <k6EU3.1084$9v2....@news1.sshe1.sk.home.com>, rsul...@home.com
(Reagen Sulewski) writes:

>Not everyone is as paranoid as you.

Skeptical is the word on this Reagen. (You're getting paranoid
on how much amusement I'll be having at your and several
others' expense though, if this turns out to be true.)

>If you're taking -this- as a victory, it only shows how low you've
>sunk.

It's not a victory, I've just enjoyed the thread. If it proves true,
my gloating will be rather excruciating, that's true. :-) That
won't be sinking low, that'll be new heights of fun. :-) :-) :-)

KalS...@aol.com
http://www.scifipi.com

Tom Cervo

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>This is one of the funniest web sites I've ever seen! Is it a parody?
>
>Perhaps, but not an intentional one.

>
>>What the fuck, huh? I mean really, what the fucking fuck???
>
>Welcome to the party. Some folks seem to enjoy my summaries of favorite
>CAPalert items, so if you're interested, have a look...
>
>http://x40.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=507390579
>http://x21.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=533826837

Oh geeze, Texas. No wonder.

Brian

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das...@my-deja.com wrote in message <7vv2sg$u3e$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...

>In article <7vumh6$ket$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> das...@my-deja.com wrote:
>> > das...@my-deja.com wrote:
>> >
>> > >Here is an excerpt from a post I found on moviething.com. Although
>> it is
>> > >possible this person is mistaken, they must have some basis for
>> identifying
>> > >Marina Freeman as the body double. Anyone know who Marina Freeman
>> is, and
>> > >what her role was, if in fact she was not a body double?
>> > >
>> > >"They used a body double for the window scene. Thora was only
>sixteen
>> when
>> > >they shot American Beauty. The breasts you saw belonged to
>> body-double
>> > >Marina Freeman."
>> >
>> > On the crew list for AMERICAN BEAUTY, IMDb lists Marina Freeman as a
>> stand-in,
>> > which is not the same as body double. Assuming the credit is
>accurate,
>> someone
>> > probably thought incorrectly that it meant she had body doubled for
>> Birch.
>> >

Let me once and for all set the record straight: Those are MY breasts up
there on that screen. No 16 yr old could possibly have breasts that big;
they could only have come from the body of an overweight 50 yr old man such
as myself. Now, can we all please stop obsessing about my breasts and move
on to something else?

Brian

The Man from B.R.A.N.D.O.N.

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In article <3823f...@stimpy.citylinq.com>, "Brian" <bria...@iname.com> wrote:

>Let me once and for all set the record straight: Those are MY breasts up
>there on that screen. No 16 yr old could possibly have breasts that big;
>they could only have come from the body of an overweight 50 yr old man such
>as myself. Now, can we all please stop obsessing about my breasts and move
>on to something else?

Sure.

What are you doing tonight?

--
-Brandon Blatcher
ICQ#51619871
The office: http://www.creativeloafing.com/savannah/newsstand/current/

Thomas Skogestad

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* Brian

| Let me once and for all set the record straight: Those are MY breasts up
| there on that screen. No 16 yr old could possibly have breasts that
| big; they could only have come from the body of an overweight 50 yr old
| man such as myself.

Uh. I thought we all knew that Meat Loaf did the body doubling.

--
thomas.s...@jusstud.uio.no
«Sometimes people laugh at silent films because they find them corny or
feel superior to them. I can understand that. I felt the same way about
`Armageddon.'» -- Leonard Maltin

Steve Kime

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akh...@my-deja.com wrote:

> if more of Thora-like breasts is the price we pay for sliding into the
> abyss, I am diving into it right now!!!

As a major fan of Thora's beautiful breasts, I say let the diving begin!!!

--
"The entire universe is the fabrication of thought only.
The play of the mind is created only by thought.
Transcending the mind...find rest in the changeless.
Then surely, O Rama, thou shalt find Peace."
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