Worst Oscar Snub of 1997....
Sal Id
The nominees for worst snub of 1997:
Kevin Spacey in L.A. Confidential
Russle Crowe in L.A. Confidential
Boogie Nights for best picture
Chasing Amy for best original screenplay (too bad they don't give
awards for this based on dialog.. oh wait, Pulp Fiction)
Speed 2: Cruise Control for sound f/x and editing
and the awawd goes to:
SPEED 2: Cruise Control
This movie had some kick ass sound, it definately belonged in the
sound editing and f/x catagories. I spent most of the movie glancing
at the speakers because the sound was so good. (plus I was avoiding
looking at the screen)
Tim
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Dave Howlett
In article <34e13d6d...@news.idt.net>, mass...@haven.ios.com#NOSPAM
(Sal Id) wrote:
> The nominees for worst snub of 1997:
>
> Kevin Spacey in L.A. Confidential
> Russle Crowe in L.A. Confidential
> Boogie Nights for best picture
> Chasing Amy for best original screenplay (too bad they don't give
> awards for this based on dialog.. oh wait, Pulp Fiction)
> Speed 2: Cruise Control for sound f/x and editing
>
How about The Fifth Element not getting nominated for either art
direction or costume design? There are times when not being a nineteenth
century period piece can really hurt your chances for an Oscar nomination
(like, most of the time).
-dave
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MindOnMont
(Sal Id) wrote:
> The nominees for worst snub of 1997:
>
> Kevin Spacey in L.A. Confidential
> Russle Crowe in L.A. Confidential
> Boogie Nights for best picture
> Chasing Amy for best original screenplay (too bad they don't give
> awards for this based on dialog.. oh wait, Pulp Fiction)
> Speed 2: Cruise Control for sound f/x and editing
Well, I know of two films that I loved that came out in '97 and are not being
nominated, Waiting for Guffman and Gross Pointe Blank. Be them snubs or not,
they are just a couple of films I wish would've gotten more recognition by the
academy. But hell, who's to say a film isn't worthy of an Oscar just because
it wasn't nominated??
M
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Anne Conway
Sal Id <mass...@haven.ios.com#NOSPAM> wrote:
: Kevin Spacey in L.A. Confidential
: Russle Crowe in L.A. Confidential
: Boogie Nights for best picture
: Chasing Amy for best original screenplay (too bad they don't give
: awards for this based on dialog.. oh wait, Pulp Fiction)
I am no good at rating the sound and editing qualities of films, so
I skipped commenting on those noms. I wholeheartedly agree with the absence
of nominations for Crowe and Smith's Chasing Amy screenplay. I enjoyed
Boogie Nights, and I hope Reynolds wins. He was great. The film just
came back to a theatre here in town...must go see again! I would've liked
all of the men in LAC (at least, Crowe, Pearce, and Spacey) get nominated,
but I figured Spacey wouldn't be because of The Usual Suspects. I can't
wait to see what else Spacey puts out in the cinema.
Anne
Derek Janssen
Sal Id wrote:
>
> The nominees for worst snub of 1997:
>
> Russle Crowe in L.A. Confidential
> Boogie Nights for best picture
> Chasing Amy for best original screenplay (too bad they don't give
> awards for this based on dialog.. oh wait, Pulp Fiction)
snub (v): To deliberately insult or ignore based on perceived levels of
taste or social standing...
The others were passed over, left out, also-ran or forgotten--
Only "Princess Mononoke" was actually SNUBBED...
Derek Jansen
dja...@ultranet.com
Plain and Simple Cronan
Derek Janssen wrote
>The others were passed over, left out, also-ran or forgotten--
>Only "Princess Mononoke" was actually SNUBBED...
>
And what this film about?
Rodrick Su
In article <34E1DA...@ultranet.com>, Derek Janssen <dja...@ultranet.com> wrote:
>Sal Id wrote:
>>
>> The nominees for worst snub of 1997:
>>
>> Kevin Spacey in L.A. Confidential
>> Russle Crowe in L.A. Confidential
>> Boogie Nights for best picture
>> Chasing Amy for best original screenplay (too bad they don't give
>> awards for this based on dialog.. oh wait, Pulp Fiction)
>> Speed 2: Cruise Control for sound f/x and editing
>
>snub (v): To deliberately insult or ignore based on perceived levels of
>taste or social standing...
>
>Only "Princess Mononoke" was actually SNUBBED...
Ian Holms for The Sweet Hereafter
Sarah Polley for The Sweet Hereafter
Editing for The Sweet Hereafter
And the Best Picture for The Sweet Hereafter.
Jody Foster for Contact
Special FX for Contact (just for the mirror scene)
Rupert Graves for My Best Friend's Wedding
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Alex Crouvier
Derek Janssen wrote:
> snub (v): To deliberately insult or ignore based on perceived levels of
> taste or social standing...
Just because they ran an ad on VARIETY? It is tough to have a deserving
foreign film nominated, let alone an animation.
>
> The others were passed over, left out, also-ran or forgotten--
> Only "Princess Mononoke" was actually SNUBBED...
>
> Derek Jansen
> dja...@ultranet.com
Alex Crouvier
Plain and Simple Cronan wrote:
>
> Derek Janssen wrote
>
> >The others were passed over, left out, also-ran or forgotten--
> >Only "Princess Mononoke" was actually SNUBBED...
> >
>
Ask about Hayao Miyazaki then ask about the film again.
Derek Janssen
Plain and Simple Cronan wrote:
>
> >The others were passed over, left out, also-ran or forgotten--
> >Only "Princess Mononoke" was actually SNUBBED...
> >
>
> And what this film about?
http://www.nausicaa.net/~miyazaki/mh/
(Yeah, I know, but no e-mail reply address; what am I _supposed_ to
do?...)
Derek Janssen
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Dave Howlett wrote in message ...
> How about The Fifth Element not getting nominated for either art
>direction or costume design? There are times when not being a nineteenth
>century period piece can really hurt your chances for an Oscar nomination
>(like, most of the time).
>
I agree. It is much harder to create than recreate.
Mike
Derek Janssen
Alex Crouvier wrote:
>
["Mononoke"]
> > snub (v): To deliberately insult or ignore based on perceived levels of
> > taste or social standing...
>
> Just because they ran an ad on VARIETY? It is tough to have a deserving
> foreign film nominated, let alone an animation.
Yes, but the Japanese voluntarily submitted it _over_ "Hana-Bi" and
"Maborosi" because they believed that it COULD compete with well-made
foreign films of 43 other countries, and be seen as such--
But (if the one insider poster was any indication), the moment the
committee saw the cute cartoonies and began using the dreaded "B&B"
words, those hopes went flying out the window... : (
Derek Janssen
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Derek Janssen <dja...@ultranet.com> wrote in article
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> But (if the one insider poster was any indication), the moment the
> committee saw the cute cartoonies and began using the dreaded "B&B"
> words, those hopes went flying out the window... : (
Bread and Breakfast ?
> Derek Janssen
> dja...@ultranet.com
>
Andrew In Amherst
Aaron Eckhart for best actor. His performance in The Company of Men is
as good a performance as I've ever seen. I've seen all the
performances nominated for this award, and none of them comes anywhere
close. I strongly recommend TCoM, and not only for Eckhart's
portrayal of a monster.
Andrew wat...@som.umass.edu
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Please visit before the cobwebs gather again. Enter at:
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Ken Rudolph
Derek Janssen wrote:
[re: Princess Mononoke:]
> Yes, but the Japanese voluntarily submitted it _over_ "Hana-Bi" and
> "Maborosi" because they believed that it COULD compete with well-made
> foreign films of 43 other countries, and be seen as such--
> But (if the one insider poster was any indication), the moment the
> committee saw the cute cartoonies and began using the dreaded "B&B"
> words, those hopes went flying out the window... : (
I'm tired of hearing this canard being repeated over and over. Not
one single member of the foreign language committee could possibly
have compared Mononoke with Beauty and the Beast. What really
turned the committee off was its simplistic ecologic
sword-and-sorcery subtext and lack of any emotional involvement.
Comparing Mononoke Hime with Karakter is like comparing Batman and
Robin to Wings of the Dove.
--Ken Rudolph
Bill Huelbig
Sal Id wrote:
>
> The nominees for worst snub of 1997:
>
> Kevin Spacey in L.A. Confidential
> Russle Crowe in L.A. Confidential
> Boogie Nights for best picture
> Chasing Amy for best original screenplay (too bad they don't give
> awards for this based on dialog.. oh wait, Pulp Fiction)
> Speed 2: Cruise Control for sound f/x and editing
>
> SPEED 2: Cruise Control
> This movie had some kick ass sound, it definately belonged in the
> sound editing and f/x catagories. I spent most of the movie glancing
> at the speakers because the sound was so good. (plus I was avoiding
> looking at the screen)
>
> Tim
>
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Jodie Foster in CONTACT. I mean, they nominated her for NELL, didn't
they? But that wasn't a science fiction film ...
While we're at it, the visual effects in CONTACT were better than those
in TITANIC, no matter what the Academy says.
--Bill Huelbig
Weehawken, NJ, USA
ELurio
"Princess Mononoke" wasn't the only one snubbed. So was "My Life in Pink" which
was a friggen' masterpiece.
eric l.
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Not sure, but I think Belgium chose the very good La Prommesse as their
choice this year.
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Puzzlr
Especially when all they did was look up the costumes. I mean how hard
is that? I remember Ebert getting on the Academy for nominating
Maverick in the costume category for the same reason you guys cite.
Puzz
Brad Yasuda
Plain and Simple Cronan (cro...@DeathsDoor.com) wrote:
> Derek Janssen wrote
> >The others were passed over, left out, also-ran or forgotten--
> >Only "Princess Mononoke" was actually SNUBBED...
> >
> And what this film about?
I read somewhere that The Princess Mononoke was not eligible in this
year's Oscars because it didn't play for one week in L.A. Foreign films
have to play for at least one week in L.A. to qualify, even though it is
the official nominee of a country.
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ELurio
>I'm tired of hearing this canard being repeated over and over. Not
>one single member of the foreign language committee could possibly
>have compared Mononoke with Beauty and the Beast. What really
>turned the committee off was its simplistic ecologic
>sword-and-sorcery subtext and lack of any emotional involvement.
>Comparing Mononoke Hime with Karakter is like comparing Batman and
>Robin to Wings of the Dove.
Nonono. You don't understand. "Mononoke Hime" is a cartoon. That's the be all
and end all. Why do you think the academey specifically took "Toy Story" out of
the Best picture competition?
Because it's a cartoon.
Same thing with Mononoke Hime.
eric l.
Ken Rudolph
ELurio wrote:
> Nonono. You don't understand. "Mononoke Hime" is a cartoon. That's the be all
> and end all. Why do you think the academey specifically took "Toy Story" out of
> the Best picture competition?
>
> Because it's a cartoon.
Toy Story was qualified for competition in its year. Just as
Hercules and Anastasia were this past year and Beauty and the Beast
*obviously* was in its year.
> Same thing with Mononoke Hime.
Sorry. A cartoon per se is not disqualified. The foreign language
film committee was very well aware that it was going to view a
cartoon; and the movie's reputation and commercial success was not
exactly a mystery. The film failed on its own merit as a movie
having nothing to do with the cartoon format.
--Ken Rudolph
ELurio
Ken Rudolph wrote:
>>Sorry. A cartoon per se is not disqualified. The foreign language
film committee was very well aware that it was going to view a
cartoon; and the movie's reputation and commercial success was not
exactly a mystery. The film failed on its own merit as a movie
having nothing to do with the cartoon format.<<
Then what happened to "My Life in Pink?"
Of course a cartoon per se is not disqualified. However look at what happened
to "Toy Story" two years ago. It was a favorite for best picture early on, but
it was given a special Oscar specifically so it wouldn't compete with the
"real" movies.
The "we already gave one to 'Beauty and the Beast' crack, BTW, was made about
"Pom Poko," another of Myazaki's films that Japan submitted.
eric l.
Ken Rudolph
ELurio wrote:
>
> Ken Rudolph wrote:
> >>Sorry. A cartoon per se is not disqualified. The foreign language
> film committee was very well aware that it was going to view a
> cartoon; and the movie's reputation and commercial success was not
> exactly a mystery. The film failed on its own merit as a movie
> having nothing to do with the cartoon format.<<
>
> Then what happened to "My Life in Pink?"
It got beaten by at least four better films, imo.
> Of course a cartoon per se is not disqualified. However look at what happened
> to "Toy Story" two years ago. It was a favorite for best picture early on, but
> it was given a special Oscar specifically so it wouldn't compete with the
> "real" movies.
You've got that totally backwards. After the nominations (which Toy
Story was qualified for but failed to get), when the film *hadn't*
been nominated for whatever reason, it was decided to have been
worthy of a special Oscar.
> The "we already gave one to 'Beauty and the Beast' crack, BTW, was made about
> "Pom Poko," another of Myazaki's films that Japan submitted.
Could you cite a reference for this crack? I was at the Pom Poko
screening and never heard anything of the sort. My only reaction
was that it was a *horrible* choice of films to send to the
committee...once again based on its lack of quality and stature on a
basic level in comparison to previous Japanese entries and those of
competing countries.
--Ken Rudolph
Wei Weng
> > Nonono. You don't understand. "Mononoke Hime" is a cartoon. That's the be all
> > and end all. Why do you think the academey specifically took "Toy Story" out of
> > the Best picture competition?
> >
> > Because it's a cartoon.
> Toy Story was qualified for competition in its year. Just as
> Hercules and Anastasia were this past year and Beauty and the Beast
> *obviously* was in its year.
> > Same thing with Mononoke Hime.
> Sorry. A cartoon per se is not disqualified. The foreign language
> film committee was very well aware that it was going to view a
> cartoon; and the movie's reputation and commercial success was not
> exactly a mystery. The film failed on its own merit as a movie
> having nothing to do with the cartoon format.
> --Ken Rudolph
I dont understand how mononoke hime is worse than toy story?
IMHO, compared to mononoke hime, crap like "toy story" or "hercules",
"anastasia" is nothing. really nothing. Does it have nice stories? Does it
mean anything except entertain kids? NO!
The brain of members in film commmittee is as small as kids', that they
can't look at a so-called "japanese cartoon" (I'd rather called it anime)
movie correctly.
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MuseMalade
Wei Weng wrote:
>
> Ken Rudolph <ke...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> > A cartoon per se is not disqualified. The foreign language
> > film committee was very well aware that it was going to view a
> > cartoon; and the movie's reputation and commercial success was not
> > exactly a mystery. The film failed on its own merit as a movie
> > having nothing to do with the cartoon format.
>
> IMHO, compared to mononoke hime, crap like "toy story" or "hercules",
> "anastasia" is nothing. really nothing. Does it have nice stories? Does it
> mean anything except entertain kids? NO!
> The brain of members in film commmittee is as small as kids', that they
> can't look at a so-called "japanese cartoon" (I'd rather called it anime)
> movie correctly.
A rather bizarre post. Ken Rudolph didn't suggest that TOY STORY was
superior to MONONOKE HIME, he merely stated that it didn't sufficiently
impress the Foreign Language Pictures committee of the Academy.
As for your (possbly rhetorical) questions regarding TOY STORY, I found
it highly entertaining. I also enjoyed the story tremendously. And to
clarify the logic here, I'm no kid. So I would adamantly assert that
it's not "nothing."
MuseMalade