T3 is very good, not quite great SPOILERS!!!
rande...@rogers.com
but with enough twists and a blockbuster ending to make it a real
pleasure to watch. Where it really shines is in the FX and sound
dept. It actually starts out somewhat muted, but them pummels you
into the theatre seats, provided they have a good sound system
and play it at correct THX levels. The FX is superb. This film
makes almost every other FX-driven movie this summer look like dog
dirt, especially the "Hulk." If the "Hulk" cost $140 mill (and that
figure is highly suspect) then this movie should have cost $250
million. For on thing, the FX are simply better in every category.
The inevitable auto chase scene is frightening in it's
power. If any model or FX work was done, it was sparringly
applied.
There are only a couple scenes that I'd have changed.
But it raises a question; AS got $30 million for his role, something
Eric Bana did not, so WHERE is the $140 million in the "Hulk?"
Ang Lee's pretty desert shots of half-dead flora?
Anyway, model-actress Loken is convincing in her role, which
is no mean feat given the Terminators don't have emotions.
No, the killing doesn't quite have the edge that T-1's did, but I did
buy the Terminatrix (the term is used in the movie) as a killing
machine.
The only thing that keeps the movie from being great is it's
brightness. I'd have preferred a slightly darker film, with a
slightly darker musical score, but I understand the director for
wanting to show of the films outstanding FX.
But perhaps the best thing about this movie is the ending. Forget the
Hollywood, happy cliches, this does not have it and thankfully it
delivers a credible ending. Man is shown to have sown the seeds of
his own near destruction, and there was nothing he could do to
stop it, once things got to a certain point. I applaud the producers
for this since they are just about the only one's who have ever done
it, save a few obscure films. Yes, it does pave the way for sequels,
but if they continue to deliver T's of the quality of T-1, 2, and 3,
then I'm all for them. The scene at the end is so good that a poster
of it should be sent to every foreign power with nuclear weapons
as a reminder of what to avoid.
-Rich
cr carr
"artsy-fartsy-bullet time-slow motion-wire using-cgi to death-special
effects-crap." T3 was solid, steel bending, crushing, raw action, reminded
me of the Road Warrior type 80s action movies.
I will not write any spoilers about it. I'm glad that it wasn't directed by
Joel Shumacker, Ang Lee, Micheal Bay, McG or The Wachawski Bros.
<rande...@rogers.com> wrote in message
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trotsky
rande...@rogers.com wrote:
> Well, I have to say it was a very entertaining movie, familiar plot
> but with enough twists and a blockbuster ending to make it a real
> pleasure to watch. Where it really shines is in the FX and sound
> dept. It actually starts out somewhat muted, but them pummels you
> into the theatre seats, provided they have a good sound system
> and play it at correct THX levels. The FX is superb. This film
> makes almost every other FX-driven movie this summer look like dog
> dirt, especially the "Hulk." If the "Hulk" cost $140 mill (and that
> figure is highly suspect) then this movie should have cost $250
> million. For on thing, the FX are simply better in every category.
>
> The inevitable auto chase scene is frightening in it's
> power. If any model or FX work was done, it was sparringly
> applied.
>
> There are only a couple scenes that I'd have changed.
> But it raises a question; AS got $30 million for his role,
That's a good value for someone that can't even speak English properly.
Where's the fucking outrage, Rich?
yodude
else. When I left the theater I told me girlfriend...That is what an action
movie should be... continual action scenes, one after the next. The only
stops is to explain the plot.
Great movie.
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The Shadow
<rande...@rogers.com> wrote :
I did enjoy T2 a great deal but not as much as the first film. The main
problem that I myself had with it was the "Hollywood ending" but it was a
thrill when the Terminator said that all they did was postpone judgment day,
it can not be stopped. Now if they did "terminate" judgment day then why
would John Connor still be around since his father came from the future? It
made sense to do a third film and in this case the sequels to the original
do have a story unlike the Alien films for example which should have stopped
after the second film.
I did not know what to expect with all the hype surrounding the film and in
this case the hype does live up to my expectations. I don't know if this
will make more money then any of the other so-called summer blockbusters of
this summer but I do not care. I have seen all of the films so far and
right now at this point in time T3 is the best of the lot.
Blake Merriam
SPOILING THE MOVIE OR I WILL CRUSH YOU LIKE A GRAPE WITH MY MASSIVE
PECTORALS YA!*
So John Conner is 22 now. Judgement day never happened. Yet he is
still somewhat in hiding. Hes without an address, a phone, or identity
of any kind, just incase SkyNet sends someone back into the past to
get him again. (But why would he do that if he honestly thinks the
threat is gone!?) The movie very briefley explored Connors life, but I
really with it had made his emotional life more of the center peice. I
mean, he was raised to lead humanity out of the ashes, but now that
history has been erased (or so we think). And he is clearly depressed
about that, and yet, the movie doesn't really explore this idea of him
trying to come to terms with his "new" life, a life where he has no
grand destinty, hes now just a nameless person wondering the country.
Again, the movie VERY briefly touches upon this, but I wanted to see
it more explored.
The new villian T-X, ofcourse comes back. Kristanna Loken was hot, a
good choice, but her intro was kind of cheesy. Remember how the T-1000
appears nakked, killed the cop and got his clothes? Well, the T-X does
this too (although she was not nakked enough) but I'm not shure where
she got the clothes from. She dusts a woman in a Lexus but the woman
is wearing different clothes than she does in the movie.
Because the T-X has nothing to go on to find John Conner, she starts
to hunt down the people that will become Conners leutenants in the
future. One of them just so happens to be hanging around Conner at the
time. Arnie as the Terminator shows up (he transported earlier in the
movie), and the action begins.
Now, the big question. If they destroyed the company that was to
create SkyNet in the second movie, then how could SkyNet still be
around. Ah-nold gives the answer "Judgemnet day is inevitable." SkyNet
is still around. How possible?
I Loved the ending tho, very sweet.
"cr carr" <cr_c...@hotmaill.com> wrote in message news:<vg55iuq...@corp.supernews.com>...
Geezer From The Freezer
Arthur Lipscomb
>
> *WARNING YOU PUNY GIRLY MAN! SPOILER AHEAD! DO NOT BLAME ME FOR
> SPOILING THE MOVIE OR I WILL CRUSH YOU LIKE A GRAPE WITH MY MASSIVE
> PECTORALS YA!*
>
> So John Conner is 22 now. Judgement day never happened. Yet he is
> still somewhat in hiding. Hes without an address, a phone, or identity
> of any kind, just incase SkyNet sends someone back into the past to
> get him again. (But why would he do that if he honestly thinks the
> threat is gone!?) The movie very briefley explored Connors life, but I
> really with it had made his emotional life more of the center peice. I
> mean, he was raised to lead humanity out of the ashes, but now that
> history has been erased (or so we think). And he is clearly depressed
> about that, and yet, the movie doesn't really explore this idea of him
> trying to come to terms with his "new" life, a life where he has no
> grand destinty, hes now just a nameless person wondering the country.
> Again, the movie VERY briefly touches upon this, but I wanted to see
> it more explored.
>
> The new villian T-X, ofcourse comes back. Kristanna Loken was hot, a
> good choice, but her intro was kind of cheesy. Remember how the T-1000
> appears nakked, killed the cop and got his clothes? Well, the T-X does
> this too (although she was not nakked enough) but I'm not shure where
> she got the clothes from. She dusts a woman in a Lexus but the woman
> is wearing different clothes than she does in the movie.
It's the same brown leather jacket. I didn't see what type of pants the
woman was wearing.
>
> Because the T-X has nothing to go on to find John Conner, she starts
> to hunt down the people that will become Conners leutenants in the
> future. One of them just so happens to be hanging around Conner at the
> time. Arnie as the Terminator shows up (he transported earlier in the
> movie), and the action begins.
>
> Now, the big question. If they destroyed the company that was to
> create SkyNet in the second movie, then how could SkyNet still be
> around. Ah-nold gives the answer "Judgemnet day is inevitable." SkyNet
> is still around. How possible?
Skynet was commissioned by/for the military. If not Dyson, someone
would have eventually built it. Dyson said the arm inspired them to
think of designs they never would have considered. All those people who
were working with Dyson and similarly inspired, weren't killed.
Starting over again, more or less from scratch, it took them ten years
longer; but they knew what to shoot for.
yodude
> Now, the big question. If they destroyed the company that was to
> create SkyNet in the second movie, then how could SkyNet still be
> around. Ah-nold gives the answer "Judgemnet day is inevitable." SkyNet
> is still around. How possible?
I guess they thought they destroyed SkyNet but not everything got
destroyed(some computers and info/docs didnt get burned up... or they may
have had remote offices). The company went bankrupt after their main office
building got detroyed in T2 and the US Gov bought up what was left in
bankruptcy auction.
rande...@rogers.com
Well, even if he can't enunciate too well, I'm sure he can afford an
interpreter. $ is the universal language.
-Rich
Zimmy
> Well, I have to say it was a very entertaining movie, familiar plot
> but with enough twists and a blockbuster ending to make it a real
> pleasure to watch. Where it really shines is in the FX and sound
> dept. It actually starts out somewhat muted, but them pummels you
> into the theatre seats, provided they have a good sound system
> and play it at correct THX levels. The FX is superb. This film
> makes almost every other FX-driven movie this summer look like dog
> dirt, especially the "Hulk." If the "Hulk" cost $140 mill (and that
> figure is highly suspect) then this movie should have cost $250
> million. For on thing, the FX are simply better in every category.
>
>
Ok, we get it. You hate the Hulk... enough, leave it alone.
Did you get fired from the production?
Just take a deep breath and in time, you'll get over it.
It isn't making enough money so pat yourself on the back and smile, you won!
Z
Jordan Lund
> Skynet was commissioned by/for the military. If not Dyson, someone
> would have eventually built it. Dyson said the arm inspired them to
> think of designs they never would have considered. All those people who
> were working with Dyson and similarly inspired, weren't killed.
> Starting over again, more or less from scratch, it took them ten years
> longer; but they knew what to shoot for.
If they were going to do that though then the John Connor of the
previous films wouldn't necessarily become the same John Connor that
led the resistance. They could have used this as an opportunity to
enlist a different resistance fighter who became the focus as the
future timeline changed by delaying SkyNet 10 years.
It would have also given them an out on the whole Reese/Father
thing... Too bad they didn't think that far ahead.
- Jordan
QV
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Near the end of T2, Arnold loses part of his arm in some gears. Perhaps the
Gov't got hold of the debris.
Feng
> The new villian T-X, ofcourse comes back. Kristanna Loken was hot, a
> good choice, but her intro was kind of cheesy. Remember how the T-1000
> appears nakked, killed the cop and got his clothes? Well, the T-X does
> this too (although she was not nakked enough) but I'm not shure where
> she got the clothes from. She dusts a woman in a Lexus but the woman
> is wearing different clothes than she does in the movie.
>
No. T-1000 did NOT take the cop's clothes. It morphed its outer
surface to resemble the clothes. The same for T-X.
Mike Rice
Mike Rice
On Wed, 2 Jul 2003 12:38:01 -0400, "yodude" <NNOOS...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Adrian Penalo
unique touch and a much exciting plot-FX mix.
Adrian Penalo
old one that was shown in Star Trek first anyway. But T1/T2/T3
is "real" science and technology not non-sense dreamy worlds.
Kevin Lamb
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> The new villian T-X, ofcourse comes back. Kristanna Loken was hot, a
> good choice, but her intro was kind of cheesy. Remember how the T-1000
> appears nakked, killed the cop and got his clothes? Well, the T-X does
> this too (although she was not nakked enough) but I'm not shure where
> she got the clothes from. She dusts a woman in a Lexus but the woman
> is wearing different clothes than she does in the movie.
Neither the T-1000 nor the T-X took their first victim's clothes. They
wanted the cars. They morphed themselves to appear clothed as the victims,
and the woman in the Lexus was indeed wearing the top emulated by the T-X.
Later,
Kevin
Kevin Lamb
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> Arthur Lipscomb <aalip...@ucdavis.edu> wrote in message
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>
> > Skynet was commissioned by/for the military. If not Dyson, someone
> > would have eventually built it. Dyson said the arm inspired them to
> > think of designs they never would have considered. All those people who
> > were working with Dyson and similarly inspired, weren't killed.
> > Starting over again, more or less from scratch, it took them ten years
> > longer; but they knew what to shoot for.
>
> If they were going to do that though then the John Connor of the
> previous films wouldn't necessarily become the same John Connor that
> led the resistance.
The film's fate/destiny motif explained why he didn't change, however.
Later,
Kevin
RogerM
Downbeat ending, but fine for the subject matter. It'll hurt the
box-office take, I suspect.
> Man is shown to have sown the seeds of
> his own near destruction, and there was nothing he could do to
> stop it, once things got to a certain point. I applaud the producers
> for this since they are just about the only one's who have ever done
> it, save a few obscure films. Yes, it does pave the way for sequels,
> but if they continue to deliver T's of the quality of T-1, 2, and 3,
> then I'm all for them. The scene at the end is so good that a poster
> of it should be sent to every foreign power with nuclear weapons
> as a reminder of what to avoid.
> -Rich
>
You're including the US in that "foreign power" category, right?
--
The more people I talk to, the more I empathize with serial killers.
In a land where gold is God, it is inevitable that greed will become a
religion.
Cinnamon J. Scudworth for Evil Genius of the Year.
RogerM
> Yeah, the T3 was excelent! However, not as good as T2. T2 had that Cameron
> unique touch and a much exciting plot-FX mix.
Better dialogue, better action, better villain.
My rankings:
T2
T1
T3 (well back)
rande...@rogers.com
I applaud the producer for allowing it. It flies right in the face of
Joe American's usual expectations. I don't care if it loses a bit of
money, it set a good example.
>
>> Man is shown to have sown the seeds of
>> his own near destruction, and there was nothing he could do to
>> stop it, once things got to a certain point. I applaud the producers
>> for this since they are just about the only one's who have ever done
>> it, save a few obscure films. Yes, it does pave the way for sequels,
>> but if they continue to deliver T's of the quality of T-1, 2, and 3,
>> then I'm all for them. The scene at the end is so good that a poster
>> of it should be sent to every foreign power with nuclear weapons
>> as a reminder of what to avoid.
>> -Rich
>>
>
>You're including the US in that "foreign power" category, right?
No. In fact, any country that has had nuclear weapons for 57 years
and only used them once in a limited capacity to end a war doesn't
need advice on how to handle them.
-Rich
Mike Rice
Here's why: It had a story and you couldn't predict it.
Some of the pyrotechnics and violent scenes went a
touch far, but I wasn't terribly disappointed. That long
traffic scene reminded me of the one in the second
matrix because of some of the vehicles. But because
it was in a movie with a story, I took it in stride. Movies
that turn out better than I expected are always winners
for me. H'wood announced two years ago that Vin Diesel
would star in this vehicle. But after Vin put in two dismal
performances which showed he can't act, Arnold, now
56, was put back in the film at something near $30 million.
It was a fairly nice film. The Box Office is doing poorly
because the Country is going broke and noone is willing
to admit it, and start moves to remove this President.
Mike Rice
Mike Rice
I think Rupert Murdoch's European Satellite Setup is called
SkyeNet or something close to it. I'm for shutting him down.
Mike Rice
~consul
> No. In fact, any country that has had nuclear weapons for 57 years
> and only used them once in a limited capacity to end a war doesn't
> need advice on how to handle them.
No one 'should' see the results of a nuclear blast on civilians, but if some nation 'had
to do it', I am glad that it was the US and not any other nation. Once should be enough.
--
"Most folks considered him to be quite intelligent and imaginative, with a strong
physique. He worked hard, volunteered with many good causes with time and money. His only
true failing, that he was also ... evil ... so she left him."
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