Hillary C
Ham and Kayka to go
address to Congress?
Stan
Mike
>address to Congress?
>
>Stan
>
>
Why limit it to that point in time?
The Other Mike...................
( just a John Wayne wanna be )
Frank Schoenbach
yes she was
Nespy
telegraphed by her expression and lifeless clapping) for anybody with any
shred of moral fiber. I do hope she runs for president so she can be
further put in her place. She and Bill need to move back to Arkansas and
live in a trailer park where they belong.
--
Chip Torgerson
ch...@nespy.com
AOL IM: nespychip
"Ham and Kayka to go" <ke6...@athenet.net> wrote in message
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Tom & Karen Peashey
relatively sure that it was unintentional, but she certainly seemed to be
lacking in her applause enthusiasm compared to other Democratic leaders...
Also, knowing full well that our media misses very little, I would guess
that they kept returning to her - not because she represents NY - but
because she was making interesting "camera"
Tom
"Ham and Kayka to go" <ke6...@athenet.net> wrote in message
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CabAlum SW
more than half hearted!
Steve Williams
St. Lucy's Cadets 1968-1969
Hawthorne Caballeros 1971-1975
Hawthorne Caballeros Alumni 1995-present
Frank Schoenbach
Mauree...@prodigy.net
>
>Was it my imagination or was Hillary Clinton a real jerk at the Presidents
>address to Congress?
>
>Stan
I don't know, Stan. I heard a lot of this on the radio today but I thought two
things last night:
first, she looked EXHAUSTED as, I suppose, one of two Senators from NY who had
been in NY attending memorials, meeting with the rescue workers and victims
families, and bringing other leaders to see the carnage, she might well be.
second, it seemed to me that the camera focused on her FAR MORE than on other
attendees.
In at least one interview that I saw this week, she was very gracious and
supportive of both Mr. and Mrs. Bush and the decisions they had made made and
the manner with which they were carrying themselves.
Tom & Karen Peashey
her... (trust me... she's not my favorite)
She has said all the right things and considering all the trips back and
forth between Washington and NYC and all the interviews and the negotiations
for aid etc. I suspect you are right... she was just exhausted...
and I too thought that the cameras picked up on it and were on her way too
often...
heaven forbid... I just stuck up for Hillary... Hubble just turned over in
his grave
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Doug C.
Are you a republican? That may explain it.
A lot of my more liberal friends thought that George Bush made an ass of
himself, so perhaps party affiliation could be the answer to your question...
--
doug
'We are ONE'
Michael Meyer
(even though Mr. Torricelli isn't much better), but if you noticed, Sen.
Robert Byrd of West Virginia had a nice seat behind the president, in the
camera view 95% of the time.
And there were a couple of Standing O's that he didn't get up off his 600
year old ass for. And he IS a democratic leader in the Senate.
At least Hillary looked like she was trying.
Mike Meyer
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Tom & Karen Peashey
think that the president made an ass of himself last night...
Last night's speech will go down in the history books as one of the greatest
presidential speeches of all time... listen to the democrats... this is
not about politics now...
I assume you weren't listening to the unprecedented favorable response from
EVERYONE...
I happen to think That George W. is a pretty lousy public speaker, but he
and his speech writers rose to the occasion on this one... This may become
the classic case of the job making the President... It's happened before...
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IrishCab95
My God thats an ignorant statement.
>A lot of my more liberal friends thought that George Bush made an ass of
>himself, so perhaps party affiliation could be the answer to your question...
>
But wait there's more................
Ham and Kayka to go
Actually I used to be quite the Democrat, until the Clintons.
A lot of people were tired. A lot of people who put in a lot more than her.
The part that got me was here very slow clapping and turning her head away
as if bored. Besides, with what went on, she needs to look at America with
more insight open mindedness than ever before. Her personal goals for this
country should be on hold until the terror crisis in stabilized.
No, if Hillary doesn't get the spotlight, she has a temper tantrum.
Take care
Stan
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BOY1230
think that the president made an ass of himself last night...
Last night's speech will go down in the history books as one of the greatest
presidential speeches of all time... listen to the democrats... this is
not about politics now... >>
Dubya never looked or sounded more in control than last night. he took command
of the moment..and his speech WILL go down in history, this is his "15 minutes"
and his 15 minutes are going to define his presidency, our nation, and our
future...I for one sleep a little better knowing he is in charge..over the past
ten days he has grown leaps and bounds, and I shudder the thought of what
position we would be in if Al Gore was in Charge !!
~G~
Mike
>two
>things last night:
>first, she looked EXHAUSTED as, I suppose, one of two Senators from NY who
>had
>been in NY attending memorials, meeting with the rescue workers and victims
>families, and bringing other leaders to see the carnage, she might well be
Funny the mayor has been doing so much and never looks EXHAUSTED !
>second, it seemed to me that the camera focused on her FAR MORE than on other
>attendees.
I guess the guys behind the cameras realized what an ass she was.
>In at least one interview that I saw this week, she was very gracious and
>supportive of both Mr. and Mrs. Bush and the decisions they had made made and
>the manner with which they were carrying themselves.
And the one I saw today showed her real side.....jealous....i had to look up at
the tv to see just what self centered bitch was talking....telling the tv
people all the things "SHE" had done.
I cant blame her, what the hell she just saw any possibility of being
president thrown out the window.
msuicguy
No it's not that. It's just that she knows that her husband couldn't
have possibly given a speech that good, and responded so quickly with
such strength.
RyanSnare21
>have possibly given a speech that good, and responded so quickly with
>such strength.
Clinton was by far one of the most powerful speakers ever to hold office. I
sure miss the way he used to speak, I sure miss being impressed. Bush can't
deliver a powerful speach to save his life. I hate how soporifically slow he
is.
RYan
RyanSnare21
>position we would be in if Al Gore was in Charge !!
I personally would feel much more at ease right now if that were the case.
Ryan
Mike
>sure miss the way he used to speak, I sure miss being impressed. Bush can't
>deliver a powerful speach to save his life. I hate how soporifically slow he
>is.
>
>RYan
>
>
Clinton a powerful speaker ? Hell i have a 3" tweeter that is a more powerful
speaker than mr bill.
Nespy
I
> sure miss the way he used to speak, I sure miss being impressed. Bush
can't
> deliver a powerful speach to save his life. I hate how soporifically slow
he
> is.
>
> RYan
Yeah...I miss when he powerfully LIED TO THE NATION and wagged his finger at
us like we were misbehaving children and he was scolding us for having the
audacity of accusing him of anything. What was it that impressed you so
much? Was it the " I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss
Lewinsky" or was it his trying to weasel his way out of questioning and his
"well that depends on what your definition of "is" is." Yeah...Slick Willy
was the greatest.... I'm sure each of us has our own thought to finish up
that line.
Chip Torgerson
ch...@nespy.com
Bob E.
in place type of radiance that is associated with "important " people like she
did in the White House.
Barbara
Those that hate her will always hate her. Those of you on the fence don't
know where to go. The real people would find out all the details before you
judge her.
Walk in her shoes first before you want to slander her with your insults.
I always thought that most drum corps people were more understanding.
I do also understand that there are some real a--holes out there.
At this time in our history if you have nothing better to do than judge how
one appears on a camera then we are really in trouble as a nation.
God bless those that paid their life so others can still misjudge other
people.
Get a real life and wake up to the facts if you really want to know them.
Tim Boardman sky...@nycap.rr.com
"Ham and Kayka to go" <ke6...@athenet.net> wrote in message
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Mauree...@prodigy.net
>Dubya never looked or sounded more in control than last night. he took command
>of the moment..and his speech WILL go down in history, this is his "15 minutes"
>and his 15 minutes are going to define his presidency, our nation, and our
>future...I for one sleep a little better knowing he is in charge..over the past
>ten days he has grown leaps and bounds, and I shudder the thought of what
>position we would be in if Al Gore was in Charge !!
I'll combine a reply to the Dem/Rep looking at things differently stream with
this...
First, (and here's the revelation that makes all those poli sci classes in
college worth the tuition and interest I paid...) don't you think that it is
reasonable to posit that Dems and Reps see things differently?? Like they look
at the same issues and see them through a different prism??
How many Rs could NEVER give Clinton the tiniest bit of credit (even when he was
moving forward policies normally considered conservative domain)?? How many D's
can't give Bush the slightest benefit of the doubt?? Should it be surprizing
that some radicalized folks have trouble overcoming that??
Now, to the post at hand, if even you consider Bush as having grown by leaps and
bounds over the last 10 days, could you see why D's might have some trouble
ranking him up there with the Rushmore crowd?? I thought it was a GREAT speech,
far greater than anything that this Republican thought could come out of his
mouth. And "come out of his mouth" is about all we get from our presidents, now
isn't it? We know -- and have known for a long time -- that a gaggle of staff
are busy crafting the sound bites and honing the message. He has pulled
together a brilliant staff (Connie and Colin and Dick should be beaming) and he
delivered the speech with very little of the smirking, twitching facial tick
he's displayed along with his prior tendancy for malaprops. Kudos to the R
team!!
But why must you take that one step further and bash Gore? What makes you
believe that he would have been incapable of pulling together a great and
brilliant team and incapable of growing over the last 10 days? You don't get
bipartisanship, civil discourse, and mutual respect like this.
As to Bush-2's 15 minutes, we have a lot further to go...I hope he's got far
more up his sleeve than one great speech for we will need it. The results are
not obvious and my sleep was not significantly better last night than Wednesday.
Aside of rallying us, and telling us it'll take awhile, it is not at all clear
to me that we have been given a blueprint for what we will be called upon to do
over this next horizon. I need more than some world-class sound bites for that.
Agent
Dave
RyanSnare21
Ryan
Mauree...@prodigy.net
See inserts
In article <20010921234301...@mb-md.aol.com>, Mike says...
>
>>I don't know, Stan. I heard a lot of this on the radio today but I thought
>>two
>>things last night:
>>first, she looked EXHAUSTED as, I suppose, one of two Senators from NY who
>>had
>>been in NY attending memorials, meeting with the rescue workers and victims
>>families, and bringing other leaders to see the carnage, she might well be
>
>Funny the mayor has been doing so much and never looks EXHAUSTED !
I think he has been brilliant and wonderful and he has looked on the edge a
number of times.
Different people react in different ways.
It looked like Byrd was sloshed and he doesn't even call NY home. So what?
>
>>second, it seemed to me that the camera focused on her FAR MORE than on other
>>attendees.
>
>I guess the guys behind the cameras realized what an ass she was.
And capitalized on it and ignored or failed to show us a fair sampling of the
overall audience. They get to create a story by judicious or unjudicious camera
angles and it is truth...uhuh
>
>>In at least one interview that I saw this week, she was very gracious and
>>supportive of both Mr. and Mrs. Bush and the decisions they had made made and
>>the manner with which they were carrying themselves.
>
>And the one I saw today showed her real side.....jealous....i had to look up at
>the tv to see just what self centered bitch was talking....telling the tv
>people all the things "SHE" had done.
And has she done any of them?? It would be so stunning for a politician to try
to shave off some credit for themselves, wouldn't it...
>
>I cant blame her, what the hell she just saw any possibility of being
>president thrown out the window.
Because?? And she's announced that intention when? And what about all the
other people who have been rabid for the post over the last few years? McCain
didn't look all that thrilled last night either.
I hate to say this, because it is not my normal instinct, but this is becoming
so nasty that I just think that there is nothing this woman could do short of
walking into the Atlantic and never coming back that would satisfy some of her
critics and I think it is because she is a woman, and a smart one at that. The
fact that she breathes your air seems to offend. She obviously found a majority
of her constituents to vote for her for Senate, something neither George or Bill
could say the first time they won the Presidency.
Nespy
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> She obviously found a majority
> of her constituents to vote for her for Senate, something neither George
or Bill
> could say the first time they won the Presidency.
Well, first of all, they weren't her constituents, they were New Yorkers.
New York is a heavily democratic City & State. Her constituents would have
been from Arkansas, or Illinois at a FAR stretch.
Second of all, they were voting for a senator, not a President. Let's just
wait and see what she is able to carry if/when she runs for President.
Skywnch320970
>been from Arkansas, or Illinois at a FAR stretch.
how do you figure, chip? because she's from park ridge? she hasn't lived in
illinois for what, almost 30 years? don't know the exact figure, but it was
when she was in college that she left.....
not starting an argument, just asking a question.
jan
Nespy
has lived in New York. All she did is look for the place where she had the
best chance of getting a seat and decided to run there. I have no doubts
that if the Senate race had stayed Hillary vs. Rudy, that she would have
lost.
=)
--
Chip Torgerson
ch...@nespy.com
AOL IM: nespychip
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Heartly1086
We, as Americans, have the attention span of a gnat. United for a few days, now
we're wasting time on whether Hillary is a bitch or not.
I do not like her, at all. Didn't, wouldn't vote for her. I find her
duplicitous. She and husband could easily double date- they're so two-faced.
....there were millions of positive responses to last night's speech. Why would
anyone focus on the negative here? Isn't this like the winning Super Bowl team
focusing on their only fumble in the game? I am an avid fan of dissent, but
there is a time and a place for everything.
Those who see us as the enemy view us as fat, decadent, and spoiled.
Petty squabbles like this weaken us and only prove their point. Next we should
squawk about the fact that TV reception was disturbed because of the tragedy
and the fact that supemarket ran dangerously low on bottled water during all of
this. Sheesh!
Don't like Hillary? Fine. Move on. I don't like many people. I don't discuss it
here. Why? Well, who might I offend? And was it worth it?
None of us is in any of our representatives shoes. In the public, amidst a
tragedy of epic propoertion....... I don't know what I would do........
You see Hillary as a detractor? Combat it- through holding up the heroes of
these events- not by whining about one woman whose thoughts you can neither
read nor judge.
Go do something.
Answer to the obvious question here -Yes, I have.
Given blood, made a monetary contribution, hoisted the American flag higher and
prouder than I ever have, sung "God Bless America" until I'm horse, earmarked
a portion of my theater company's proceeds for the entire coming season to go
to the relief efforts.
Celebrate what is great about America.......
.......the words to "America the Beutiful" don't mention toxic waste dumps-
though you can find them somewhere in the United States. Weird issue to bring
up? Exactly my point. In the midst of an exalting song who needs to draw focus
to a negative. Hillary, as some see her, is a negative. Why focus on her when
she was so vastly outshadowed by a president who was thrust into greatness by
both the words he spoke and the spark it lit in us as Americans? And at a time
when need more single positive than ever......
Fight the good fight people. Hillary is not the terrorists...... ignore her.
Focus on them.
Lon
Skywnch320970
>That is exactly what I base it on. She lived in Illinois longer that she
>has lived in New York. All she did is look for the place where she had the
>best chance of getting a seat and decided to run there. I have no doubts
>that if the Senate race had stayed
>Hillary vs. Rudy, that she would have
>lost.
>
she lived in new york state (or had an address there) long enough to establish
residency, as required by law. perhaps that's what really needs to be
addressed?
jan
Mike
One of the best one liners I've seen in a few days.....
>Those who see us as the enemy view us as fat, decadent, and spoiled.
Well that does describe me. :-)
I agree with your post, how aboput if we go back to beating dead horses ?
( any implication of Hillary being or looking like a dead horse was strictly
by accident)
The Other Mike...................
Ham and Kayka to go
Barbara <bboa...@nycap.com> wrote in article
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> Ok. Read all this "shit" and can't say that most of you are right or
wrong.
> Those that hate her will always hate her. Those of you on the fence don't
> know where to go.
I don't sit on the fence. I weigh on facts, and don't follow a party
affiliation just because the Dems or Repubs said to go in a direction.
When one or the other is right, I praise and support. When either party is
wrong, I bitch. In both directions.
The real people would find out all the details before you
> judge her.
> Walk in her shoes first before you want to slander her with your insults.
I was active in the AF during the Clintons tenure. Their disdain for the
military was obvious. Barb, I just about carried her shoes.
> I always thought that most drum corps people were more understanding.
No more or less than the rest of the U.S.
> I do also understand that there are some real a--holes out there.
> At this time in our history if you have nothing better to do than judge
how
> one appears on a camera then we are really in trouble as a nation.
She couldn't muster 35 minutes of enthusiasem?? She could have nodded in
agreement. I know the difference between a tired smile and a smirk.
AND she has the responibility to and elected duty to glean over the
current and upcoming legislation, making sure the US does whatever upcoming
tasks are done right. Her historical attutitude and actions of the past
years hopefully will be put aside. I pray she will vote, present, and
introduce postive legislation to prevent similiar events, and rebuild NYC.
And if she does, I will support and praise her. But she had better grow
up.
> God bless those that paid their life so others can still misjudge other
> people.
I know you meant can't.
> Get a real life
got one, and it ain't being a sheep.
and wake up to the facts if you really want to know them.
I will continue to do so.
Take care
Stan
Catherine
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> >I shudder the thought of what
> >position we would be in if Al Gore was in Charge !!
>
> I personally would feel much more at ease right now if that were the case.
Speaking from comparing GWB's military experience and Gore's instead of
politics and personalities...
-- Catherine
Nespy
for office there. I'm not claiming she did anything illegal in her bid for
senate (although..I wouldn't be surprised somewhere, somehow). I am simply
claiming that it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. I know that my
representatives and senators have been in South Carolina for a very, very
long time and they have a good grasp of what their constituents want and
why. Despite how many representatives act, their job IS to do the will of
their constituents.
--
Chip Torgerson
ch...@nespy.com
AOL IM: nespychip
"Skywnch320970" <skywnc...@cs.com> wrote in message
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Nespy
anything dishonorable or foolish, though. This is an incredibly difficult
situation for ANYONE to find themself in. I don't understand why people get
so caught up in party bashing and that if you are in party "a," then
everyone in party "b" is wrong and evil and stupid. I don't think it helps
anybody and it does very little to get real , good work accomplished.
--
Chip Torgerson
ch...@nespy.com
AOL IM: nespychip
"Catherine" <cather...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Catherine
Hillary's getting ripped on because she looked tired and was speaking to
fellows during the speech. I was so happy to also see comments on some of
the OTHER people who looked tired and were speaking to fellows during the
speech, and how the cameras focused on her.
I worked with an attorney in Seattle who worked with and knew Hillary
closely at the Rose Law Firm. The attorney I knew is someone I remember
when I hear all of the other hideous things about the Clintons. It's
amazing how some people don't seem to recognize political behaviors that go
on amongst mature society all the time...
It's also good that people recognize when they're being manipulated...
-- Catherine
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Bloody Bari
Saturday morning grogginess.
As for saying she's FROM North Carolina, I got the following from a CNN
story:
http://www.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLITICS/08/23/helms.dole/index.html
"Dole, who is considering a run for the Senate seat to be vacated by Sen.
Jesse Helms, R-North Carolina, is applying for North Carolina voter
registration Thursday in Salisbury, the home of her 100-year-old mother,
Mary Hanford...
"A former Republican Cabinet secretary, Dole was born and raised in North
Carolina, but has not lived in the state for decades."
So I suppose that's a little better than what Hillary did, but the principle
is still the same.
> Well, it differs totally, because Mrs. Dole is from North Carolina and
THAT
> is where she is vying for a seat. If you are going to try and be an
> asshole, please get your facts straight first.
>
> Chip Torgerson
> ch...@nespy.com
>
> AOL IM: nespychip
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Someone Somewhere" <chth...@yahoo.com>
> To: <ch...@nespy.com>
> Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2001 8:25 AM
> Subject: Re: Hillary C
>
>
> > And this differs from Ms. Elizabeth Dole and South Carolina how?
> >
> > It's an odd form of morality that holds that once someone else has done
> > something "wrong" that it's ok for you to do it too.
> >
> > "Nespy" <ch...@read-my-signature.com> wrote in message
> > news:L2Wq7.12606$0x.41...@typhoon.southeast.rr.com...
Stefanie Kressaty
We could all learn a little something from this folks.. Lon is absolutely
right. Why focus on one perceived negative when we have so many positives
to congratulate and be proud of after this heroic and historic speech?
Whatever Hillary is or isn't, I guarantee you is on the back burner now.
Her focus now is most likely the safety and reassurance she can help provide
for her constituents and her country.
Stefanie
"Heartly1086" <heart...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Bonita Beckham
> Was it my imagination or was Hillary Clinton a real jerk at the Presidents
> address to Congress?
>
Everytime the camera panned her she looked like she didn't want to be there.
like she was bored. AND IT WAS HER REPRESENTED STATE THAT WAS BOMBED. What a
bitch.
> Stan
Meechkay
Heartly1086
Just curious...does anyone responding to this thread actually live in NY? >>
I do....
See my previous post on this thread.
Lon Blais
Maureen Greene
> <Mauree...@prodigy.net> wrote in message
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>
> > She obviously found a majority
> > of her constituents to vote for her for Senate, something neither George
> or Bill
> > could say the first time they won the Presidency.
>
> Well, first of all, they weren't her constituents, they were New Yorkers.
> New York is a heavily democratic City & State. Her constituents would have
> been from Arkansas, or Illinois at a FAR stretch.
Chip, wake up and smell the coffee or cawfee for New Yawkers...
They ARE her constituents...she DID get elected...she DOES represent
them. They became her constituents when a majority of the voting
citizens of the state of New York voted for her. That is the compact.
She is as much a Senator from New York as Bobby Kennedy was.
MANY of our elected officials don't hail from the state or district
they represent. My own Senator Arlen Specter grew up in the SAME town
as Bob Dole. Hilary lived near Scranton for a while...I guess she has
more right to represent us than Arlen does??
>
> Second of all, they were voting for a senator, not a President. Let's just
> wait and see what she is able to carry if/when she runs for President.
I know what they were voting for...I stated it. We have only a
handful of election results for these three people. She has at least
carried a majority first time out of the box.
I don't like a lot of the people who show up for work at the Capitol.
I only have votes for three of them, same as everybody else. While I
can't imagine voting for some of those who become Congressmen or
Senators, I have to uphold the right of those voters to make the
decisions they make with their three votes.
On Presidential politics, I liked McCain the last go-round. Most
people didn't. He has flaws, as do they and we all, but he has
military experience, he is generally a straight talker, and he
supported campaign finance reform. I'd feel better if he were in the
post. I'm still not sure that Gore SHOULDN'T have been elected based
upon the popular vote and the debacle in Florida. But none of that
matters. George Bush will lead us in these trying times. We need to
get over the petty character assassinations.
Demonize the demons, not our citizens who are in leadership positions.
Daniel Scerpella
chance, or at least wait and see. Yours, particularly the one about Bush
making an ass of himself are totally from left field. I like to think that
had Gore been pres. even a rabid GOPer that I am would have gotten behind
him in this time of National crisis. Even the guys I love to hate Gephardt
and Daschle have put aside partisan differences for the good of this
country. I get the impression from your comments that you would rather see
more death and destruction just so you could be right about Bush being
unfit.
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Andyroo111
Frank Schoenbach
<tpea...@rochester.rr.com> wrote:
>heaven forbid... I just stuck up for Hillary... Hubble just turned over in
>his grave
Not to mention Vince Foster
Tom & Karen Peashey
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IrishCab95
>Just curious...does anyone responding to this thread actually live in NY?
>
I do AND I vote
Mauree...@prodigy.net
isn't it??
In article <8Z2r7.342692$GN.49...@typhoon.kc.rr.com>, Daniel Scerpella
says...
Mike
>>
>
>I do AND I vote
>
A few questions if you don't mind.
I really didn't follow anything regarding New York politics in the past.
Who was her opposition in the election ?
Was he really THAT bad to get her elected, or was her support THAT strong ?
( in Louisiana we tend to elect the lesser of two evils )
What has she done for New York up till this time ( pre disaster ) ?
The Other Mike...................
RyanSnare21
>chance,
Yeah, she spoke about the pros and cons of both sides or how people view the
situation or whatever...blah blah. Anyway, so yeah... Amen. She spoke very
clearly and eloquently, in my opinion.
>I get the impression from your comments that you would rather see
>more death and destruction just so you could be right about Bush being
>unfit.
Dan, please, don't be ridiculous. That is an absurd conclusion that you drew.
I'm not a Bush fan, that's all. I'm sure he'll be just fine, I have faith in
him to not let the American people down.
Ryan
Tom & Karen Peashey
she was running against Rudolf Guilliani and would have lost to him BIG
TIME.... in the middle of the campaign, he came down with cancer. He
dropped out of the campaign to immediately begin chemo and radiation ... he
felt that he couldn't run, remain as mayor and worry about his health... so
he quit the race...
yeah, there was a bit of a kick over his girl friend too, but I honestly
don't believe that had anything to do with it...
They selected an unknown senator from Long Island (I don't even remember his
name... oh yeah Lazio) to replace him which was the kiss of death... He
campaigned upstate very poorly and he needed to strongly carry upstate to
offset the "guaranteed" Democratic vote of NYC. He came off so poorly that
I almost didn't vote for him myself... I didn't vote for him, I voted
against Hillary.
Since taking office... she has tried to make her presence known in the
state, and I give her some credit for that... but the truth is... everything
I'm seeing has more to do with her possible presidential bid than with New
York's needs.
Tom
What has Hillary done since
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> I feel qualified to answer that
>
make her presence known in the
> state, and I give her some credit for
that... but the truth is... everything
> I'm seeing has more to do with her possible
presidential bid than with New
> York's needs.
>
> Tom
>
tries to run for president, she'll need a
resume, which means she'll have to do some
good things in her current position; not just
"not screw it up". Which should mean some
good things for NY.
cya
Steve Spang
> Since taking office... she has tried to make her presence known in the
> state, and I give her some credit for that... but the truth is... everything
> I'm seeing has more to do with her possible presidential bid than with New
> York's needs.
I see it too, Tom. (a left coaster)
--
Steve 8-)_~
"Klaatu barada nikto"
Ham and Kayka to go
together by the cabinet and staff. What is important to remember, the
President acts on advice and plans of his advisors for the most part.
What you must watch for any govt figure is who they surround themselves
with. There is no requirement for the president to have military
experiance, and there is no need. What is important, is a President (or
Governor, Mayor etc) hires people with experiance and determination. This
also is important in other aspects, fianance, enviroment, law, etc, etc
etc.
Mr. Gore would most likely have done somthing similiar. The sad part is
how many cabinet and other posts are pushed on a President from the
political party they are members of. That is what gets us poor government.
If Mr. Gore was in, he would have had a tough internal fight purging the
dead wood of the Clinton era. Gore would have been a repeat of Carter.
Carter had a high personal integrity, and high intelligence. This does not
always mix well in politics.
It is a moot point.
Take care
Stan
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OABrohood
president in terms of leading the nation than her husband the liar was. I will
give Clinton credit, he did deliver well constructed speeches, eventhough they
were lies.
Aaron
Mike
>give Clinton credit, he did deliver well constructed speeches, eventhough
>they
>were lies.
>
>Aaron
I'll give him credit today though, at the service he seemed " humble". I
appreciate that. Or was that look of "thank God I didn't have to deal with
this" ?
Anyway, even Hillary seemed to have a better attitude today.
The Other Mike...................
Jeromey
J
PS Chuck Schumer should get his face out of her ass.
--
"...it could be made into a monster,if we all pull together as a team"
TomAllen2001
Pataki, etc.) during a time of crisis.
Then, when it came time to rally as a nation, we got (whether accidently or
not) to see one of our Senators rolling her eyes and doing the "golf clap"
thing during our President's speech.
Hey, the election is over, she's our senator and that's that, but when put side
by side with real NYers, she's out of her league.
TomAllen2001
>
>My God thats an ignorant statement.
>
>>A lot of my more liberal friends thought that George Bush made an ass of
>>himself, so perhaps party affiliation could be the answer to your
>question...
>>
>
>But wait there's more................
>
>
>
>
>
>
In overnight polling after the speech, 95% of Americans had a favorable
response to the speech. Maybe you and your Liberal friends are part of the
other 5%.
Maybe my opinion is effected by the fact that my father is a WWII vet and I
heard the war stories growing up, but does everybody understand what happened
on 9-11-01? This wasn't just a little political spat. America was attacked on
OUR shores for the first time since what, 1812?
If Gore were president, I'm sure we'd support him as well.
Agent
Dave
Brent0222
>anyone focus on the negative here? Isn't this like the winning Super Bowl
>team
>focusing on their only fumble in the game?
Ask Nate Newton about his fumble- SB XXVII- he probably can't forget that one.
Don Beebe is tha shit. Who cares about the 52-17- that is still one of the
most humorous super bowl plays ever. but yes i understand and agree with your
point.
dbriggs
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Anybody heard from Scott Norwood lately?
cya
KZ2
How many of you who feel you are an expert to comment on NY, our elected
officials and all of the s**t you have been debating are from here?
if you are then remember the election and what the choices were......
like it or not the people of New York at least elected their senator......
the rest of this stuff dosn't belong on this news group..
Karen
Daniel Scerpella
we're not supposed to comment on a person who was nationally prominent for 8
years, regarding her conduct in a nationally televised address regarding an
urgent national crisis....unless we're from New York? Can we at least talk
about the Yankees?
Free speech is a bitch, and come to think of it, so
is.....................umm, nevermind. That woman...Mrs. Clinton, is ALL
about national. There is nothing she does that is not set up against that
backdrop. She has actually slept in the actual state of NY very few times.
Had there been a different state that had the same non existent residency
requirement to hold public office, was overly democratic, and could provide
her with the national stage she was trying to maintain, then she would be
there. For her or anyone to feel she should only be criticized by New
Yorkers, well that's just silly.
Somebody please put an OT in front of this so Karen won't be so disturbed by
the subject.
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KZ2
I live here in NY...and the descriptions of the election were somewhat fair,
but don't forget to include all the BAD stuff that went down with the mayor
prior to cancer, and prior to his shinnig moment of service......I had not been
a supporter of him....
and regarding Rick Lazio ...if you think Hillary is an opportunity type....he
makes her look like a saint....
ok, bash all you want, as one of the posts previously said those who hate
her(hillary), and her husband always will, etc...
but look at yourselves first, when puting motives feelings etc, onto another
person it is truly only your stuff your prjecting, or perhas its the the
inserted thoughs of a Rush, or another loud right wing radio type....
I am a left of center liberal and I am not afraid to say it, it does not make
me less of an American or less hurt, mad, etc. by what has happened...
I can see the hole in the skyline from where I live, I have smelled the smell
of death for days from the winds that blow east.......I can see the military
fly over my house where they never were before...I can see an aircraft carrier
off a beach that was fun to walk on....
the buildings I visit and work in are evacuated every other day because of Bomb
threats........
are y'all getting the picture......
from around here anyone who has gotten us help, republican, democrat, other,
Hillary or Rudi are ok by me.....
to look at her face durung the speech and attribute emotions, etc...is not
fair....have YOU seen the hole in the ground and mountains of rubble? have you
seen the grave of over 6,000 people that used to be the WTC?...
perhaps the senator from NY had seen too much too, perhaps it is too much for
all of us to take in, perhaps what you saw was her coping style,perhaps what
you saw was your need to be angry at someone, perhaps she was just happy to be
in Washington away from the death for a while,,,,tired, mad ambitious...what
ever.....
there is nother else to debate,,,,,,
Karen
TomAllen2001
First of all Karen,be careful with your inference that because you live closer
to the scene, you have something on the rest of us. This isn't a tragedy
contest.
We all grieve - nationwide - and seeing the trauma created in what we all
consider to be the "toughest" town in the USA makes it hit home even more.
And second, accept that people will have opinions on how Hillary got elected:
The vast majority of Democratic NYC voters handed it to her. The sad thing is
that she probably would have beaten Rudy, too; and Rick Lazio didn't have a
chance.
Hillary is famous. She's a star. She was the female lead in the most watched
soap opera on TV from 1993-2000. She's Oprah Famous. She's Madonna Famous.
She's Rosie O'Donnell Famous. Hell, Nathan Lane probably would have beaten
Lazio, too.
I just say, she's no Rudy*
Tom Allen
(sorry Karen, I'm only from Rochester, NY)
*Or Joe Torre, or Bill Parcells
Jeromey
> Hillary is famous. She's a star. She was the female lead in the most
watched
> soap opera on TV from 1993-2000. She's Oprah Famous. She's Madonna Famous.
> She's Rosie O'Donnell Famous. Hell, Nathan Lane probably would have beaten
> Lazio, too.
>
> I just say, she's no Rudy*
>
> Tom Allen
> (sorry Karen, I'm only from Rochester, NY)
>
or Bill Bilichec(sp)haha Go Pats,ack, ack, ack.
And she has cankles.
J
PS
SHUT UP IRWIN
Catherine
>
> perhaps the senator from NY had seen too much too, perhaps it is
> too much for all of us to take in, perhaps what you saw was her
> from the death for a while,,,,tired, mad ambitious...what ever.....
Consideration? On RAMD?
I am SHOCKED!! (Pleasantly, however.)
I wonder why a lot of good people aren't saying, "Well, gee, if you
think you can do a better job, why don't you get elected Senator and
show us what you can do. It's easy enough to criticize from behind a
keyboard..."
Thanks for the post, Karen.
-- Catherine
Mike
>all of us to take in, perhaps what you saw was her coping style,perhaps what
>you saw was your need to be angry at someone, perhaps she was just happy to
>be
>in Washington away from the death for a while,,,,tired, mad ambitious...what
>ever.....
Or maybe we just saw a bitch
The Other Mike...................
George Dixon
>I am a left of center liberal and I am not afraid to say it, it does not make
>me less of an American or less hurt, mad, etc. by what has happened...
Of course not... it only makes you wrong... as history has proven again and
again.
George D
Us
> fly over my house where they never were before...I can see an aircraft
carrier
> off a beach that was fun to walk on....
Please don't take offense here -
as a military wife I see this every day of my life and find it comforting
actually.
C Lee
Mauree...@prodigy.net
says...in reply to Karen's thoughtful dissection of her very own emotions as an
actual New Yorker who is apparently pretty damned close to the unreality of
ground zero, a place that mesmerizes us all but is without real color or smell
via the television:
>First of all Karen,be careful with your inference that because you live closer
>to the scene, you have something on the rest of us. This isn't a tragedy
>contest.
But, Tom, I think that someone who can SMELL DEATH might have an edge on the
visceral reaction pool, don't you??
>
>We all grieve - nationwide - and seeing the trauma created in what we all
>consider to be the "toughest" town in the USA makes it hit home even more.
But "hitting home" and being hit in your hometown might be a bit different,
don't you think?? And while even 100 miles away, 47 people with Philadelphia
roots died between the WTC, the Pentagon, and Pittsburgh (leaving at least
FORTY-ONE minor children, three of who are unborn), the odds of being very
personally effected seem pretty much greater if you actually live in New York,
don't you agree?
>
>And second, accept that people will have opinions on how Hillary got elected:
>The vast majority of Democratic NYC voters handed it to her.
Now THAT sounds like a damned good opinion, one ACTUALLY SUPPORTED BY FACTS!!
Having the vast majority of voters of one party or the other vote for you will
quite frequently result in your actual election!! Wow!! A civics lesson!!
Or is your implication that somehow Democrats who live in NYC are somehow less
than other people? Are they dumber, so they were duped? Are they easily
impressed by celebrity, so they voted for the only person whose name they
recognized? Are Democrats just a horde who are condemned to mindlessly vote for
a Democrat, unlike the egalitarian Republics who always vote for the best man?
One person, one vote. It doesn't always wind up with the one you voted for
taking office. For the most part, most of us seem to be able to GET OVER IT.
Hell, most of the country seems to have moved at least halfway past the damned
PRESIDENTIAL election, where there was really a question as to the outcome.
The sad thing is
>that she probably would have beaten Rudy, too; and Rick Lazio didn't have a
>chance.
Well, I guess THAT is SAD! So sad that the Republicans couldn't find someone
who could beat the other party's candidate. It must really stun you when a
person (as she is!), who has been totally demonized, can't manage to beat the
apparent best that New York Republicans could muster. This was an election, the
preponderance of the people of New York ELECTED to have Hiliary Clinton
represent them. Hell, in Philadelphia, we've elected dead guys...of course,
since dead guys also vote here, I guess they knew their constituents.
>
>Hillary is famous. She's a star. She was the female lead in the most watched
>soap opera on TV from 1993-2000. She's Oprah Famous. She's Madonna Famous.
>She's Rosie O'Donnell Famous. Hell, Nathan Lane probably would have beaten
>Lazio, too.
Maybe more New Yorkers actually feel they agree with the civility and world view
of Nathan Lane and they like his voice. If so, I think they should seriously
consider him. Isn't that what makes America great???!!?? I remember Johnny
Carson making real fun of the idea of Ronald Reagan running for GOVERNOR, let
alone President. It seemed LUDICROUS at the time! But, I guess he kind of grew
on people...
>
>I just say, she's no Rudy*
Yeah, I guess she never had a public affair with a subordinate, never had to
subject the city to court hearings over ejecting the cheated-upon wife out of
the public residence, never involved the world in the details of her present
state of lovemaking ability...you are right! She is no Rudy. (Before you lump
me up on that, Rudy is, by the way, one of my favorite politicians. I have
agreed with his stated philosophy on how to clean up the city since before he
took office the first time and have been pleased to see it bear fruit. His
fortitude and bearing under the most trying of circumstances for an American
mayor since the Great San Francisco earthquake have been remarkable. I'd write
him in if I lived in NY and I believe in term limits. But, fortunately for me,
I can apparently separate his kind-of-private life from the impact he has on the
city. And what was up with Mrs. G. having all those city-paid staffers?? And a
press spokeswoman? What was up with THAT, anyway??)
>
>Tom Allen
>(sorry Karen, I'm only from Rochester, NY)
>
>*Or Joe Torre, or Bill Parcells
Go find a great Republican candidate to beat her next time!! You have about
four years to get it together. But as you search, try to remember that
intolerance, demonization, and rabid hatred often do not win vast numbers of new
supporters, especially among a populace that is generally moderate. There are
seriously practical and pragmatic reasons for toning down extremism. Look to
the Republican national leadership and the de-ascendency of people like Newt.
Sore losers don't generally find it easy to rally the troops.
Mike
>than other people? Are they dumber, so they were duped? Are they easily
>impressed by celebrity, so they voted for the only person whose name they
>recognized? Are Democrats just a horde who are condemned to mindlessly vote
>for
>a Democrat, unlike the egalitarian Republics who always vote for the best
>man?
Wow, someone finally hit the nail on the head.......
BRAVO !
The Other Mike...................
Rick Beckham
Mike wrote:
As a libertarian it's even more funny.
TomAllen2001
Wow!! What passion!!
You must have Hillary's autograph or something.
DMCK
...voted for Bush too.
Chris
transplanted New Yorker
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ChocIrish
>us like we were misbehaving children<
...Dumb move on his part, granted. But give me a President who lies to us about
his personal sex life (wherever it may have occurred) as opposed to one who
lies about selling arms for hostages, one who has astrologers in the White
House, one who conveniently can't remember being in high level meetings about
selling arms for hostages, and one who gets cute and says read my lips: no more
taxes, and need I mention WATERGATE? Give Hillary a rest, folks, and move on.
So what if she looked a little lackluster. Walk a mile in her shoes. At least
she was awake, as opposed to Strom Thurmond!!!
ChocIrish
seat and decided to run there..>
.......as if Liddy Dole's not doing the same thing now!!
Mike
Never, Noway, Nohow
I've got my old wooden egg " beat a dead horse" mallets in hand !
>So what if she looked a little lackluster
Sorry, to me it was NOT lackluster. What I saw was a disinterested " I can't
believe I can't be the hero" type look
>Walk a mile in her shoes.
Why, so people can think I'm a bigger asshole than I am now ?
The Other Mike...................
MJPUDSTER
Big difference. Liddy is from South Carolina. Her mom still lives there. She
has spent a lot of time there over the years. She didn't hunt around for a
state to run from.
Mike
"Could this planet be some other planet's hell?"
Daniel Scerpella
> >
> >Yeah, I guess she never had a public affair with a subordinate, never had
to
> >subject the city to court hearings over ejecting the cheated-upon wife
out of
> >the public residence, never involved the world in the details of her
present
> >state of lovemaking ability...you are right! She is no Rudy. (Before
you
> >lump
> >me up on that, Rudy is, by the way, one of my favorite politicians.
You don't really want someone to enumerate the abuses of power Hillary had
direct involvement in during the Clinton administration do you?
It cuts both ways.
Sambuca312
American citizens and our forces readying themselves for a long hard campaign
against a well entrenched terrorist enemy, can you think of any way(s) in which
it could be worse?
Try these::
Bill Clinton still President.
Al Gore as President.
SAM
TomAllen2001
Support Hillary all you want... just don't be dissin' Rudy.
Out.
Mauree...@prodigy.net
>You don't really want someone to enumerate the abuses of power Hillary had
>direct involvement in during the Clinton administration do you?
>
>It cuts both ways.
>
completely innocent and altruistic...
Oh, nevermind. It must be just so much fun to demonize people. Although, if it
really WAS that much fun, you'd think the practicioners would seem happier. I
guess I'll just never figure that game out...
george maloney
> Hillary is a jerk - PERIOD!
Here's a clue for both sides.
Politicians lie. Always have, always will.
Why? 'cause most people don't want to hear the truth, if they did they
might have to do something about it. Like VOTE. Or protest. Blind
faith in any political party is foolish. It's the reason why it takes
so long for the Government to do anything at all, about almost
everthing.
It is refreshing however to see people paying attention to what these
finacial puppets are doing these days. Remember in November. VOTE.
Also voice your concern for reform. As long as Big money controls the
process the the average American will never get the Government we
need. You know, By the people, for the people.....
Eyes wide open,
George
Sambuca312
SAM
Mauree...@prodigy.net
says...
>Here's a clue for both sides.
>Politicians lie. Always have, always will.
>Why? 'cause most people don't want to hear the truth, if they did they
>might have to do something about it. Like VOTE. Or protest. Blind
>faith in any political party is foolish. It's the reason why it takes
>so long for the Government to do anything at all, about almost
>everthing.
> It is refreshing however to see people paying attention to what these
>finacial puppets are doing these days. Remember in November. VOTE.
>Also voice your concern for reform. As long as Big money controls the
>process the the average American will never get the Government we
>need.
ABSOLUTELY!!! A brilliant post.
Pay keen attention to the leming-like vote for supporting airlines: greedy,
mismanaged, obscenely-high executive paying, lying, manipulating,
safety-ignoring airlines just got BILLIONS of our dollars to make up for their
losses...losses which may or may not (read, largely didn't) happen because of
September 11. Airlines are not only big business but are BIG CONTRIBUTORS.
At a time when there are lots of decisions to be made, the airlines are the ones
getting a lion's share of the thought process and action. Did you wonder why??
The airlines have engaged in what for all the world appears to be a years-long
conspiracy to manipulate public opinion to force the construction -- preferably
with little scrutiny as to enviromental laws -- of additional runways and
terminals at virtually every airport. This was costing all of us big
bucks...and our clean air and water as well as sometimes horrific noise for
those who live near airports, as a tremendous percentage of Americans do.
There are laws in this land that no Congress ever passed: they are the laws of
supply and demand. They are supposed to work by raising prices when demand
exceeds supply (as the airlines claimed it did, hence the need for more landing
facilities). But what had we seen, instead?? Artificially LOW airfares.
Airfares designed to keep tons of us in the airports, delayed and mad, much
better to participate in polls, be seen on the news, and write to congress to
complain about the need for more facilities.
All of this played out while news report after news report dealt with the lack
of passenger screening accuracy which at Logan found only 1 in 10 of the planted
weapons, The FAA meted out MINIMAL fines for this obvious disregard for the
lives of those flying as well as those who went about their business below their
flights.
Interestingly, we are NOW finding that there are WAY more efficient ways to do
our business. We would have found that out without 9/11 had the economic
signals been allowed to play out. It would have been better for
everyone...especially if the FAA and the airport authorities and the airlines
had been spending that much attention on issues like SAFETY instead of trying to
ram runways down communities' throats from sea to shining sea.
Remember this ONE case study when you see who gets money and laws out of
Congress, your state government, your city council.
Campaign finance abuse is not a victimless crime. We all pay for it, many times
over, and we can all be killed by it.
Getting back to the Hilliary-bashing...this is WHY (in part) it is such an evil,
ugly idea to demonize individual others and to divide the issues into black and
white, Dems and Reps, etc, etc. Doing so obviously makes you feel very superior
to the supporters of the other and eliminates your ability to critically examine
the clues all around you. In the end, all comes down to green.
Skywnch320970
getting highly emotional. i just have to let it go.
jan
flight attendant, united airlines
This guy I know
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Blah, blah, blah.....
Your village called....they miss their idiot. Why don't you return
Catherine
Another brave manly man... Sorry, were there too many words for you? Just
what was it about Ms. Greene's post that you felt was idiotic? Or is
analysis and detail too much for you too, and cheap shots all you are
capable of?
-- Catherine
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This guy I know
"Catherine" <cather...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> 204.33.114.184 - ICG NetAhead, San Jose, CA <oh well>
>
> Another brave manly man... Sorry, were there too many words for you?
Just
> what was it about Ms. Greene's post that you felt was idiotic? Or is
> analysis and detail too much for you too, and cheap shots all you are
> capable of?
I don't waste my time on responding to long, rambling, and unsupported
conspiracy theories full of jingoism and outrageous claims like
"Campaign finance abuse is not a victimless crime.
We all pay for it, many times over, and we can all be killed by it"
What logic is there in this to rebuke or counter? None.
But if cheap shots are all you think I am capable of, I won't disappoint
you. Bite me.
There.
Satisfied?
Catherine
>
> "Catherine" <cather...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> > 204.33.114.184 - ICG NetAhead, San Jose, CA <oh well>
> >
> > Another brave manly man... Sorry, were there too many words for you?
> Just
> > what was it about Ms. Greene's post that you felt was idiotic? Or is
> > analysis and detail too much for you too, and cheap shots all you are
> > capable of?
>
> I don't waste my time on responding to long, rambling, and unsupported
> conspiracy theories full of jingoism and outrageous claims like
>
> "Campaign finance abuse is not a victimless crime.
> We all pay for it, many times over, and we can all be killed by it"
>
> What logic is there in this to rebuke or counter? None.
Thanks for detailing your thought process. When you do so, there is little
need for additional commentary.
-- Catherine
maureen greene
> <Mauree...@prodigy.net> wrote in message
> > She obviously found a majority
> > of her constituents to vote for her for Senate, something neither George
> or Bill
> > could say the first time they won the Presidency.
> Well, first of all, they weren't her constituents, they were New Yorkers.
> New York is a heavily democratic City & State. Her constituents would have
> been from Arkansas, or Illinois at a FAR stretch.
> Second of all, they were voting for a senator, not a President. Let's just
> wait and see what she is able to carry if/when she runs for President.
> --
> Chip Torgerson
> ch...@nespy.com
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perusing the past, she did indeed garner the majority of the vote in 2016. And, by the way, you had a bad definition of constituents.