Capital Regiment?
Jedi51977
They have some of the same staff (including director) of the ill-fated LImited
Edition. i know that their director is LE's old business director (the year
they folded do to insufficient funds), and Capital Regiment started the same
year LE folded. i was wondering if anyone else has heard of this corps, or
knows anything about it.
VisualStrm
successful Winter Drumline and have done very well at WGI.
arranger
The Capital Regiment is a brand new drum corps from Columbus, Ohio!
The director is Rick Bays.
Rick was involved briefly with the Limited Edition, but the two organizations
have nothing to do with each other whatsoever. When Limited Edition went
inactive, the idea for another drum corps was something that appealed to several
people in Columbus.
From these humble beginnings, fund raising and a 6 year plan went into effect.
There was little if any interest on the part of those in charge at Limited
Edition to do this - - so it was a labor of love for Rick to even attempt to
have another drum corps from Columbus.
The first fledgling steps to operating a field corps was to run the Capital
Regiment Indoor Drumline for 2 seasons. Now that the organization is
concentrating on getting the corps onto the football field, the indoor line is
no longer being run by the corps. Several members of that line have continued
to operate privately under a different name. Capital Regiment wishes them great
success in the future!
The bingo has been successfully operating for several years. So successfully,
in fact, that the corps has just recently built its own 750,000 square foot
rehearsal/bingo facility!
The corps owns its own uniforms, equipment, and equipment vehicles - - though we
will be leasing private busses this first summer.
A very dedicated team of volunteers has taken the idea for a drum corps and
turned it into reality with careful, well-thoughtout planning, in order to have
a very good chance of staying with us for many years to come.
Capital Regiment will make its world premiere performance at the DCM All-Star
Preview in the Glass Bowl in Toledo, Ohio, on June 19th, 1999!
A talented and enthusiastic staff have been organized to help make this dream a
reality!
I am the brass arranger/program coordinator for the Capital Regiment. If you
have any questions at all, please feel free to contact me, or better yet,
contact the corps' webpage at:
http://www.capitalregiment.org
We look forward to seeing everyone on the road this summer, and are very happy
to be joining the great tradition of drum corps that has been handed down to us
from all in the activity!
take care,
Chuck Naffier
Jedi51977
inactive, the idea for another drum corps was something that appealed to
several
people in Columbus.>>
i have a letter dated February of 1992 signed by Rick Bays stating that they
have a "well funded" organization ready to field summer of '92. This was
Limited Edition's last summer of competition. The letter was also signed my a
Mark Holm, LE's director ar that time. Coincidence? i guess my question is
where the "well funded" organizaion got it's funding, when both Rick and Mark
were running LE at that time.
<<There was little if any interest on the part of those in charge at Limited
Edition to do this - - so it was a labor of love for Rick to even attempt to
have another drum corps from Columbus.
>>
Again, this recruitment letter that was signed by both LE's EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR
and LE's BUSINESS DIRECTOR (the people who are "in charge" of Limited Edition)
was sent to all of LE's current membership.
The stories/rumors that are running rampant concerning this organization are
too numerous to mention in one post. i'd suggest doing some research.
By the way, ii NEVER marched, taught, or had anything to do with the Limited
Edition organization. My "views and statments" are not a reflection of any
past LE members or staff.
arranger
You are correct - - you should probably do a little more research. If you have
questions you are invited to go to the Capital Regiment Web Site, and contact
Rick Bays personally. His e-mail address is listed there.
Everything is above board with this group to the best of my knowledge, or I
would have never gotten involved with them. It would be a shame to unfairly
accuse someone of wrongdoing without going directly to the source.
Sincerely,
Chuck Naffier
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> i have a letter dated February of 1992 signed by Rick Bays stating that they
> have a "well funded" organization ready to field summer of '92. This was
> Limited Edition's last summer of competition. The letter was also signed my a
> Mark Holm, LE's director ar that time. Coincidence? i guess my question is
> where the "well funded" organizaion got it's funding, when both Rick and Mark
> were running LE at that time.
>
Jedi51977
You are correct - - you should probably do a little more research. If you have
questions you are invited to go to the Capital Regiment Web Site, and contact
Rick Bays personally. His e-mail address is listed there.
>>
Not only have i tried to get into contact with the Capital Regiment
organization through their web page, but i've also tried to get into touch with
Rick Bays MANY times. Any time a "questionable" activitiy is raised (and i
NEVER raised them maliciously; i got a lawyers approval every time), i got a
HUGE run-around, and Mr. Bays avoided any issue. In my experience as a music
insturctor, anytime someone acts as if they have something to hide, chances are
they do. If you've done plenty of background research and found absolutely NO
questionable activities, and the organizaiton is 100% kegit, than good luck
this summer. If not, i can put you in touch with the MANY people that i talked
to reguarding the questionable activities of capital Regiment. i actually
tlked to a couple of people who turned down the capital regiment brass Caption
Head position do to the research he turned up.
arranger
You are obviously concerned with something. As an admitted "outsider", you may
want to reevaluate your statements concerning an organization you have no direct
experience with. Perhaps if you can state what your interest is in helping out
I can direct you to the information you are looking for.
I have been in contact with any and all people who have been in consideration
for the Brass Caption Head position for the Capital Regiment. This includes
people from Ohio, Indiana, Michigan, California, and Iowa. All people who were
ever seriously considered have spoken directly with me on the phone.
Otherwise, until you can state anything other than vague inuendo or rumor I will
stop responding to your rhetoric.
If you have anything useful or helpful to the drum corps community in general,
please write again sometime, or better yet, come to a camp and help out.
All the best,
Chuck Naffier
Capital Regiment Program Coordiator
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Jedi51977
I can direct you to the information you are looking for.
>>
apologize. i am a HUGE drum corps fan, alum, staff, supporter, and would love
nothing more than to see a drum corps start up in OH. i was just merely asking
if anyone else was aware of the same "questions" that i have turned up while
doing research onthe corps for students of mine.
i have contacted former LE members, staff, management. i have contacted other
corps directors who may have known Rick through his involvement as Business
Director of LE. Though my research, i have turned up many questionable FACTS
concerning the genesis of Capital regiment.
All i am merely interested in is preserving the integrity of the drum corps
activity. If there are any qestionable actions taking place in ANY corps, the
drum corps community has a right to know about what MAY have happend. i am
merely encouraging future/present staff and or members to do research into an
organization that they are investing time and money into.
arranger
Dear jedi...@aol.com,
It would go a long way toward establishing any legitimacy you may have if you
would sign your name to your posts.
The only offense I take is that you are potentially misrepresenting a
hard-working group of people without accepting responsibility for your
statements.
Perhaps it is an oversight on your part to go without signing your name? If so,
please clear this up, so that we may establish a dialogue. If you are truly
interested in good experiences for kids you will find that my offer of
information is legitimate, and that I can be a very good source of information
for you.
You will need to be straight-forward with me if you want my help. Perhaps RAMD
is not the most accurate place to discover what you feel you need to know.
What is your name?
How can I help you?
Patiently and sincerely,
Chuck Naffier
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Jedi51977
And no offense, but the only man that i believe can truley answer my questions
is rick Bays. i've tried talking to him on e-mail and over the phone. We
would set up times, and then, mysteriously, he wouldn't be home, or something
would come up (although i understand that running a drum corps is no 9-5 job).
i would love nothing more than to support a drum and bugle corps from Columbus
(my home town), and if my heart is "set as ease," i'd be up there chearing for
the corps with everyone else. but if rick Bays is going to dance around my
questions, than i have no other choice in the matter.
Doug Crooks
(sorry about no sig. on my posts; bad habbits die hard)
arranger
Thank you for signing your name to your post this time.
I understand about bad habits!
I also understand that Rick is the man you want to speak with.
I am forwarding your concerns to Rick directly at his e-mail. Like I said,
whatever I can do to help, I'm happy to do it.
Supporting drum corps is a great thing to do. And of course, I understand your
need to feel as though the organization is worthy of your support.
You are correct in saying that directing a drum corps is no 9-5 job! However,
returning correspondance is vital to good communication.
Please contact me if you have not heard back from the Capital Regiment in the
very near future. I also understand that you probably would be uncomfortable
giving out your home phone number on the internet, so if you'd like, please
e-mail it to me privately so that I can relay it to Rick as well.
All the best,
Chuck Naffier
Helpful guy. . .
Jedi51977
i'm not trying to talk anyone into or out of marching ANY drum and bugle corps.
i'm just expressing the need for anyone to make a thorough back-ground check
of any corps they wish to join.
Jedi51977
doug
(oops)
>>
Terry Harper
Jedi51977 wrote:
Again, this recruitment letter that was signed by both LE's EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR
and LE's BUSINESS DIRECTOR (the people who are "in charge" of Limited Edition)
was sent to all of LE's current membership.
The stories/rumors that are running rampant concerning this organization are
too numerous to mention in one post. i'd suggest doing some research.
Well, if you knew how a corps was run, you would know that the director
and business manager do not "run" the corps. They answer to a board
of directors, and very rarely have access to funds other than summer road
accounts.I marched with LE in 91'. The reason we folded after 92'
was that we were spending way more money than we were bringing in.
Rick does have a very good vision, having seen what can destroy a corps
(LE), and taking the necessary steps to ensure that it is done correctly.
I wish Capitol Regiment and everyone else a safe and competitive summer.
By the way, ii NEVER marched, taught, or had anything to do with the Limited
Edition organization. My "views and statments" are not a reflection of any
past LE members or staff.
--
Terry Harper / ter...@wmis.net
Director, the Coachmen Drum &
Bugle Corps
arranger
> <<The reason we folded after 92' was that we were spending way more money
> than we were bringing in.>>
>
>
> be the Business Directors responsibilities to redtify that? If not, than what
> are a business directors responsibilities?
>
> doug
Doug,
I have asked very politely that you go directly to the source and ask for
information. I believe anyone who has been reading along with this little
dialogue would agree I've been most patient with you so far.
Please stop making a mockery of the committment of all the people involved in
both Limited Edition and Capital Regiment.
There. I've asked nicely.
I HAVE done a little research on you, Doug. What exactly does a 22 year old
instructor who is not a member of OMEA, and has no connection whatsoever to this
organization have against them? You have not been to any camps, you were never
on any list to be hired, and you're not currently involved with any drum corps.
Go to the source, Doug.
You say you want information - - so I ask for your phone number. It is not on
my e-mail waiting to be opened, Doug.
You say you'd like to be able to support a corps from your home town, Doug.
This does not look or sound like support, Doug.
You say you don't want to offend, but you continue to push in where you do not
know anything, Doug.
Go to the source, Doug. Go to the source.
You're sounding less and less serious, and more like a young know-it-all who
doesn't know very much of anything, Doug.
You're sounding very much like a person who might just have some other agenda,
Doug.
I will still help you, Doug, because everyone gets to make a few mistakes - -
but quit shooting your mouth off on RAMD and GO TO THE SOURCE.
If you can't do that, then have the good grace to stop insinuating things that
you know little/nothing about.
I'm beginning to understand why you think your questions have been blown off.
You are bordering on being quite rude, and cannot take a hint. Most people like
that end up being of little consequence to successful organizations and
successful people.
The next time I hear your name, I sincerely hope it's from my director telling
me you've called him with your questions. If not, you're just a trouble maker
with a little too much free time.
Still practicing patience. . . but just barely. . . Doug.
Chuck Naffier
Jedi51977
Terry Harper
Couple things here.
The business manager has a responsibility to manage funds while on
tour. They may also work closely with the treasurer of the board
during the off-season to help plan budgets and such.
Second, in 91', Rick was a cymbal tech for us. He took over as
business manager in 92'. The damage had already been done.
It's sounding to me like this is more of a personal attack of some sort.
If you really have this much of a problem, please do call Rick to sort
this out. No need to air dirty laundry for the rest of us to see.
Snare311
I know what I say here will probably not be sufficent to answer your
questions and concerns. However I have to speak as a member of Capital
Regiment in defense of it.
As the website clearly states, major fundraising via Bingo has been
going on since 1995. Unlike some corps who start up with almost no funds
at all Capital Regiment is built on a stron financial foundation. (which
has been building up since 95.)
To my knowledge everything we have has been paid for with cash. We have
no major debts. (and quite possibly no minor debts)
We have a full set of bugles (which include brand new DEG contras), a
full set of battery instruments (we recently bought a new snare), full
set of pit, uniforms, and we have a brand new corps hall. All this is
paid for so the debts won't come back to haunt us.
You act like the members will stumble upon a poorly funded corps and end
up stranded on tour. Quite a few of our members have either been with
another corps or have auditioned for another corps. I myself have
auditioneed for two other division one corps and I must say that the
food (quality and quantity) at Capital far exceeds that of the other two
corps I was with. We are not starving at Capital Regiment.
We have members flying in from Memphis, Lousiana, South Carolina,
Michigan, etc. Our members are not STUPID. If we saw any sign of
financial unstability we would not be traveling this for just to be with
this organization.
In closing I would like to quote a post by Dan Landbo. At one time
concerns (similiar to yours) were brought up on a certain disscussion
board. Dan, being the great guy he is, stated why Capital Regiment WILL
NOT end up like LE.
______START QUOTE______
FINANCES/STABILITY/CAPITAL REGIMENT CENTRE
It has taken a long time to get to this point because Rick Bays WILL
NOT do what other corps (including LE) do/did, which is get into
financial trouble because of poor money management and simply fielding a
corps and running up expenses when the money is not there. Do you know
how many small corps literally CASH PRIZE CHECKS on the road to BUY
HOTDOGS, MILK AND GAS to get them to the next stop on tour? The kids
have NO IDEA this goes on. WE WILL NEVER DO THIS.
Our extremely successful bingo is a result of Rick Bays and some
extremely hard-working VOLUNTEERS. I'm still not sure what makes some of
these (volunteer) people put in 10 hours/week in a smoke-filled bingo
hall with scruffy, often rude bingo players. I do bingo concessions
every Thursday night. My concessions partner is a retired woman that has
no connection to the corps, other than she knows it is a good cause, and
also likes to help at our June Contest.
Again, how many corps out there have the finances/cash-flow to build a
brand new, 12,000 square foot corps headquarters? We do, and it's almost
done. It will MAKE MORE MONEY. Bingo will move into it two days per
week. it will be used for camps and future winter activities, and be
rented out for wedding receptions, banquets, etc. the rest of the time.
An end? No, a first step. Maybe some day we can build a CAMP out on some
land in the country -- with multiple fields, cabins, and massive indoor
facilities. Again, another money-maker if you rent it out to other
organizations and church groups for retreats and camps. What about other
income sources? Did you know Star of Indiana is/was operating tour bus
operations? What if a corps owned some 24-hour car washes, coin laundry,
etc.?
THIS IS LONG TERM FINANCIAL FITNESS. This is what our organization is
about. This is why Capital Regiment will still be around in 30 years.
_____END QUOTE_____
I know you personally want to talk to Rick Bays about it and I am sure
he would be glad to talk about it but if you want to hear more from a
member please email me.
--
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Johnathan "FUGI" Richards
Capital Regiment D&BC Bass Cat
http://come.to/mvhsdrum
AIM:SNARE311 ICQ:5178397
Jedi51977
great, learning experience.
RBrown4431
First, LE was terrible about paying their bills. They did the best they could,
but funds were not sufficient to support the group. Ultimately, the group had
to be liquidated by a sheriff's sale, and proceeds went to pay debts.
I have been a business partner of Capital Regiment from the beginning of their
entry into pagentry arts. My firm has done quite a bit of business with them. I
believe, without giving out any dirty laundry, that it is safe to say that only
Capital Regiment and one other drum corps even have open credit with us. Most
drum corps are horrible payers (top 12's are the worst) and more than once I
have got the legal beagles to do the work for me. Capital Regiment pays
everything quickly and on time. I have had the opportunity to see this group
grow from just a beginning idea to the indoor line, through to the corps. If
they keep being run in the manner in which they currently are, they not only
will be successful, but grow at a remarkable rate. I wish more drum corps were
as fiscally responsible as CR has been. And quite frankly, that has been by the
hand of Rick Bays.
There are many many dead bones of drums corps in Columbus...Paragon, LE I, LE
II, etc. CR so far looks to be very different.
Best regards to LE...see you on the field.
Rick Brown
Percussion Concepts Midwest
Mt Vernon, OH