Velvet Knights Alumni Group on Yahoo Groups
Tax...@gmail.com
Velvet Knights Alumni Group on Yahoo Groups. Currently, we have over
100 members with a couple hundred photos as well as other content
available there.
The group membership is restricted as an anti spamming measure, so you
would need to apply for membership to view the content other than
messages. Anyone indicating an interest in the original Velvet
Knights organization is approved
as soon as possible.
Thank you for your time.
Gary Lima
Velvet Knights 1982-1986
Catherine
decades, were lying to us then, and still lying.
Too bad the fraud isn't stuck in the past...
Ultimately, this sort of thing is, er... not "good", but will further assist my
long-term plans.
<Tax...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Tax...@gmail.com
> It's a blando group, comprised of many of the people who - if they've been around for
> decades, were lying to us then, and still lying.
>
> Too bad the fraud isn't stuck in the past...
>
> Ultimately, this sort of thing is, er... not "good", but will further assist my
> long-term plans.
>
>
> news:1179937490.7...@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>
> > For the past few months I have been trying to get the word out about a
> > Velvet Knights Alumni Group on Yahoo Groups. Currently, we have over
> > 100 members with a couple hundred photos as well as other content
> > available there.
>
> > The group membership is restricted as an anti spamming measure, so you
> > would need to apply for membership to view the content other than
> > messages. Anyone indicating an interest in the original Velvet
> > Knights organization is approved
> > as soon as possible.
>
> > Thank you for your time.
>
> > Gary Lima
> > Velvet Knights 1982-1986
>
> >http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/velvet_Knights_alumni/
Fortunately dude, the world is large enough for you to do your thing,
and me to do mine without ever having any contact.
flu...@msn.com
> It's a blando group, comprised of many of the people who - if they've been around for
> decades, were lying to us then, and still lying.
>
> Too bad the fraud isn't stuck in the past...
>
> Ultimately, this sort of thing is, er... not "good", but will further assist my
> long-term plans.
So bitching, moaning, vague innuendo and slander are your long term
plans. Nice work if you can get it.
Too funny:}
George
>
> <Taxm...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1179937490.7...@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > For the past few months I have been trying to get the word out about a
> > Velvet Knights Alumni Group on Yahoo Groups. Currently, we have over
> > 100 members with a couple hundred photos as well as other content
> > available there.
>
> > The group membership is restricted as an anti spamming measure, so you
> > would need to apply for membership to view the content other than
> > messages. Anyone indicating an interest in the original Velvet
> > Knights organization is approved
> > as soon as possible.
>
> > Thank you for your time.
>
> > Gary Lima
> > Velvet Knights 1982-1986
>
> >http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/velvet_Knights_alumni/- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Catherine
<Tax...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Ever find that Kingsmen logo you were looking for in 2000? Unless there's another
Gary Lima, or that's not actually you... (Hey, it's happened before.)
You've already lied about what you are doing, and stood by for other people who lie
about what they are doing. Trouble is, you're not just doing "your thing". And
neither is EVERYONE around you.
The history of drum & bugle corps alone should have taught you that - although I
realize that blandos and blando-types learn something quite different from "drumcorp"
than the marketed hype implies. I feel sorry for you.
-- Catherine
Tax...@gmail.com
As a matter of fact, I did find a Kingsmen logo way back then. I'll
try to post it here since I guess you must still be looking for one.
<a href="http://photobucket.com" target="_blank"><img src="http://
img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/glima/king2.jpg" border="0" alt="Photo
Sharing and Video Hosting at Photobucket"></a>
As for the rest, I cannot comment since I have no idea what you are
talking about.
Jim Blansett
Big Rich Soprano
>img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/glima/king2.jpg" border="0" alt="Photo
>Sharing and Video Hosting at Photobucket"></a>
Jim Blansett
Justin H.
scratched:
Show off.
Justin H.
--
"[...]and God wants to be a DJ.
I just want to be a drummer."
Catherine
news:1180018297.8...@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
Well, it's like Noni (the name Charlie doesn't recognize) just said about Charlie...
Stupid, eh?
Good thing Jim Nevermann decided to leave. He'd surely be upset at all this
bandwidth bein' wasted over stuff people have no idea about. (psst - Catherine - no
he wouldn't.) K. Nevermind...
And Gary... That attempt at an excuse lost its currency years ago. Either that, or
it simply reveals EVERYONE else whom you associate online with, who have been here on
RAMD, as liars. Not that such is the only evidence. And such indicts you all.
-- Catherine
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<Tax...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Big Rich Soprano
>Message-ID: <njab53ttrle2tujrm...@4ax.com>
did someone just say something hehehe...
Tax...@gmail.com
And now we have blando jackets.
charliegroh
...once a geek, always a geek. *We* will wear them proudly.
Hey, this is fun! Now, *that's* a concept...hehehehehe.
cg
Jim Blansett
Enabler! (I thought I'd say that before Jazzycat1 did.)
Jazzycat1
wrote:
> On Fri, 25 May 2007 10:03:37 -0700, Charlie Groh wrote:
>
> >>On May 23, 6:47 pm, "Catherine" <Catherine@yahoo!!!.com> wrote:
> >>> It's a blando group . . .
>
> >>And now we have blando jackets.
>
> >...once a geek, always a geek. *We* will wear them proudly.
>
> >Hey, this is fun! Now, *that's* a concept...hehehehehe.
>
> >cg
>
> Enabler! (I thought I'd say that before Jazzycat1 did.)
How dare anyone have any fun in this newsgroup.....
Jim Blansett
Yeah!...what he said.
Catherine
Interesting juxtaposition between the history of RAMD - and other internet NGs,
e-mails, and some "new" forum with many of the same old same old characters who have
been found out elsewhere. Not that I am surprised that there's the same frauds,
er... "like and respect" bein' shown by the same old same old.
Also interesting to me to speculate on what would have been said then had EVERYONE
been confronted then about this sorta thing when no one woulda openly conceived of
selling out drum & bugle corps for bands - so much so that some people didn't talk
about their band activities.
Along with all the other stuff not bein' talked about.
Fortunately today, no one can honestly believe that drum corps and corpspeople won't
be sold out. Heck, blandos sell each other out all the time - once there's greater
utility in doing so.
-- Catherine
-- Catherine
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<snip>
> >I dont think so Jim,
> >This place is just a Newsgroup, a place where you can play War of
> >Words (a place where you can release insanity), you never know Jim,
> >in real life? Catherine is probably just as she has always been
> >(as you've known her back when), but here in RAMD? She's doing
> >the RELEASE!. All this digital media stuff that we deal with all
> >the time is just one of the Seven Wonders of the Land, called?
> >Entertainment.
<::yawn::> And the weiner of the Lee Rudnicki "I'm Back After Taking my Ball and
Going Home
non-award is..."
From: "Catherine" <Catherine@yahoo!!!.com>
Subject: Re: Someone please inform Gary Lima...
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"Jim Blansett" <jim_bl...@hotmail.commakaze> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 25 May 2007 10:12:47 -0700, Charlie Groh wrote:
>
> >On 25 May 2007 06:53:01 -0500, Jim Blansett
> ><jim_bl...@hotmail.commakaze> wrote:
> >
> >>On Fri, 25 May 2007 00:34:37 GMT, "Catherine" <Catherine@yahoo!!!.com>
> >>wrote:
> >>
> >><snipped>
> >>>So keep on with the many unfair standards WAY unfairly applied -
> >>>and lies. The fact you want to say something about that now JB?
> >>>Puts a whole 'nother spin on Dumont Street. You were how old then?
> >>
> >>All particpants were capable of legally giving informed consent - in
> >>other words, adults.
> >>
> >>> Charlie at the lifeguard station at Huntington Beach
> >>>when all us underagers got popped by the beach patrol?
> >>>Some of the history of the
> >
> >...yah, and good ol' Charlie steered those mean beach patrolers
> >away...don't recall chatty Cathy being there, tho...maybe she
> >was with Noni, so I didn't notice.
You weren't there (not this particular time anyhoo - gee, there were more such
instances? Do tell, JB...). Charlie was the only one over 21 - and he was off at
the lifeguard station with someone... That was why we were all calling "oh,
Charlie..."
In fact, Charlie's facility of immediately sayin', "yes, I'm Rocco Oliverio and we
Kingsmen just got out of rehearsal" takes on a whole new significance - regarding
ease of lying.
> >>There's a difference between alcohol and sex. I realize your
> >>experiences may be different, but the two can be mutually exclusive.
> >
> >...what's the mantra, "...unfair standards..." and all that rot?
> >>
> >>>Jimenez'?
> >>>
> >><snipped, again>
> >>>Keep digging...
> >>>
> >>
> >>You're a hypocrite - be a big girl and admit it. It might be your
> >>first step to recovery (assuming it ain't too late).
Not at all, JB. You and I already had this discussion a long time ago, and I told
you that you were mistaken then in what you had perceived.
I notice you don't bring up Gary Lee...
> >...fat chance, JB...but from now on, I'm treating this
> >stuff as HUMOR...while I count how many times she
> >mentions *my* name along with yours
You view that as an improvement? Keep digging, Charlie...
> >(notice how we're a dynamic duo again? Heh...).
> >
> >cg
That also has 'splained sumthin' we've been wondering about. I'd say thanks, but,
well, you know...
And EVERYONE's deep and sincere concerns about pedophiles, predators, and those who
psychopathically lie, manipulate and inflict such on people, no matter the costs, are
noted and given the consideration such deserves.
> I just knew it was a matter of time. Quite honestly, I'm
> surprised it took her this long, since I cut her out of my
> daily life a long damned time ago. And I feel much
> better for it.
Interesting resonance between what Berish and Schaafsma were doing and what you once
claimed disagreeing with. But I'm sure you and Charlie have had plenty of practice
over three, and probably four decades, of doing the same. I don't believe I'm
special at all in this arena - blandos like you would have had to have lotsa
practice. Unfortunately, you also had guidance and grooming. Even more
unfortunately, you liked and respected predators and lying manipulators - then and
now..
I don't, and never did. That's why I was targeted long ago.
-- Catherine?
From: "Catherine" <Catherine@yahoo!!!.com>
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"MelodiousThunk" <thunk.m...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On May 24, 1:34 pm, Jim Blansett <jim_blans...@hotmail.commakaze>
> wrote:
> > On Thu, 24 May 2007 12:47:34 -0700, Zorb <mzeer...@hotmeals.commode>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > >On Thu, 24 May 2007 12:51:48 GMT, "Catherine" <Catherine@yahoo!!!.com>
> > >wrote:
> >
> > >><Charlie Groh> wrote in
messagenews:um1a53h24lgfv1942...@4ax.com...
> > >>> On Wed, 23 May 2007 21:00:50 -0500, "Catherine"
> > >>> <Catherine@yahoo!!!.com> wrote:
> >
> > >>> ><Charlie Groh> wrote in
messagenews:afme435klhqqksb3p...@4ax.com...
> > >>> >> On 13 May 2007 09:32:43 -0700, Taxm...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > >>> <SNIP A WHOLE BUNCH... & the rest>
> >
> > >I admit I have been confused and sometimes disgusted by your ramblings
> > >and stated as much in pretty harsh terms. However, don't include me
> > >in your blando and lying categories. You don't know me, and I am
> > >neither (although I did play for the kingsmen alumni corps
> > >temporarily, but MOST of them are trying to do 'old time drum corps'
> > >the best they can and I never ONCE heard anyone talking about lusting
> > >over little kids)
> >
> > >Z
> > That just reminded me, Zorb. If my memory serves me correctly, there
> > was a time when Catherine, herself, was lusting after a 14 year-old
> > boy. She was, of course, older than that, by years. Does that make
> > her a pedophile?
>
> <sigh>
>
> I wuz hopin' it wouldn't come to this discussion...
Gee, Bill -- Holding something back? Of course, you remember better certain underage
girls staying at your house, and what happened and what didn't. I'm more than
willing and able to discuss such subjects - particularly under fair standards, fairly
applied.
And you can go on record for encouraging people to do to kids what someday, you
expose your own children to - if you encourage all this. "I was a friend of your
father's..." And for what? Hope it's worth selling people out. You never know what
such abuses will come back on you and yours <usual nonviolence disclaimers>, whether
or not what impacts you are people you know, or simply people in some other network.
For the record, when the individual involved was 14, that was the inevitable
statement - from me - wow, he's 14. Just as when people would ask about a certain
fellow FH, "who's your friend?", I would say "she's 14".
Unfortunately, she didn't get similar protection in Vince Lamb's 1978 AK.
And that's right, JB - you weren't around the VK in 1974. You had left. Interesting
how Charlie's "I was in Viet Nam" excuses him from all knowledge of what was
happening and what happened in 1970 VK (and you were allegedly there then), but you
will claim knowledge of things when you weren't around. It's lame, but the best
you've got I guess.
Feel free to discuss my alleged sins, while not to saying anything about Berish and
all the rest of instructor-student "relationships".
I fully acknowledge being "groomed" to accept things - because I was being lied to
about what was meant and intended. I have quite a lot of e-mails back and forth,
primarily from Ron Housley but also from others, which have taken on quite a
different intention as time continues to tell - as well as demonstrating lies over
the past eight years about just why some people were writing me. Including you,
given your change of expressed attitude once I finally busted Berish.
It's most interesting to revisit those e-mails now, even before I wised up about
blandos exploiting friendship, hopes, dreams, drum corps... Charlie's doing the
latter in these very posts, in a most illustrative way.
To decent people who care about protecting people from predators and lying
manipulators, that is.
If you want to claim that I was the only one in the 1970s VK who ever made sexually
inappropriate comments, go right ahead. Gee, I wonder where I might have got that
from, and whom the adults/instructors were that fed all that "culture"...
Just helps continue to proves my points today. And today, no one can reasonably
claim that EVERYTHING I complain of is solely due to my allegedly being scarred by my
past, by things which happened long ago and having nothing whatsoever to do with what
was being done and not being done around me. The same people are demonstrably worse
now - and the time to have forsworn knowledge and culpability due to ignorance or
immaturity <$.02 to Downey> is loooong gone.
So keep on with the many unfair standards WAY unfairly applied - and lies. The fact
you want to say something about that now JB? Puts a whole 'nother spin on Dumont
Street. You were how old then? Charlie at the lifeguard station at Huntington Beach
when all us underagers got popped by the beach patrol? Some of the history of the
Jimenez'?
"Fun" is only so when it spoils nothing better - Santayana In the case of
predators and exploiters who have spent decades scamming others, well, it's been a
education. But it wasn't drum corps then, and it's certainly not drum corps now.
Then there's all that blando "recruiting" I've witnessed (after I was out), and heard
about these days. I post about it. Y'all attack me for doing so, and putting the
lie in the here and now. I feel sorry for all of you. All this was inevitable -
unless you could break me, and you have not and will not. Ever. I've made sure of
that. Y'all, Downey, Gregg, Berish, all of you - losers, given what you need and
prefer to keep your predatory scams going.
Keep digging...
From: "Catherine" <Catherine@yahoo!!!.com>
Subject: Re: Good Drum Corps Memories
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"MelodiousThunk" <thunk.m...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On May 24, 6:08 pm, "Catherine" <Catherine@yahoo!!!.com> wrote:
> > "MelodiousThunk" <thunk.melodi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1180039559....@u36g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > > On May 24, 6:44 am, Shawn Hines <shawnhi...@myexcel.com> wrote:
> > > > On 5/24/07 09:07, in article
> > > > 1180012073.304632.253...@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com, "Jazzycat1"
> >
> > > > <jeffreyno...@msn.com> wrote:
> > > > > .
> >
> > > > >> 1977 & 1978 were at Mile High Stadium. (Also
> > > > >> American Legion Nats in 1977.)
> >
> > > > >> 1979 was Birmingham.
> >
> > > > > Wrong bitch. 1979 Drums along the rockies was in Denver,
> > > > > in Mile High stadium, I went, I enjoyed it, I lost my virginity,
> > > > > thank God not to you.
You speak as though it might have been a possibility you had hoped for. Interesting
how you reveal yer view of human nature and what yer
experience-that-turned-you-into-"this" created. Potential sucksess trackers, take
note.
> > > > > Just amazing how you twist and turn fun topics into
> > > > > platforms for your idiotic agenda you psychopathic beeyotch.
> > > > > Please just die now, OK?
> >
> > Drums Along the Rockies was not specified. You left that out.
> > Amazing how you twist and turn topics (different shows, not
> > "wrong" nor "psychopathic"). Interesting thought process,
> > particularly given those people whom you claim to associate
> > with. Whomever you are.
> >
> > Just remember Levi Harton. You seem to be following in his
> > footsteps rather nicely -- well, not nicely...
> >
> > Given all those deep and sincere concerns regarding young
> > people being taken advantage of, lied to, corrupted, groomed
> > into abusive predators - and psychopathy,
> > your posts are quite welcome.
> >
> > > > Ah ... 1979 DATR ... Great show. Especially for Spirit of Atlanta ;-)
> >
> > > > I still think Denver was/is one of the best venues for a
> > > > drum corps show.
> >
> > > > Boulder is pretty outstanding, too.
> >
> > > > Shawn
> >
> > > There were two DATR tours; the penultimate show on the
> > > 1st was the Mile High "Championship." Two weeks later,
> > > the penultimate show of the 2nd tour was Boise, ID, a far
> > > better show for SCV, Blue Devils won it, Spirit was
> > > elsewhere, and VK beat someone for a change. ;-)
> >
> > > 1979. <sigh>
> >
> > More like and respect betwixt friends, and "friends"... I think
> > there's more than enough grounds to disbelieve anything and
> > EVERYTHING you ever wrote me regarding 1973 and 1974.
> > I think I'll totally go back to believing, as I do about JB and
> > Charlie, and as Vince Lamb and others have alleged, that the
> > truth is so much worse than even I think now.
>
> Feel free to disbelieve everything I've ever told you. You've lost all
> ability to reason anyway. In fact, why don't you listen to Manny
> for a change? He's conquered life, right?
>
> > Toodles. Fer now...
> >
> > -- Catherine
> >
> > P.S. -- My drum corps memories are better than ever, now that
> > they are no longer clouded by what those DCI/blando types did
> > to the activity. Since y'all care so very, very much and ya
> > wanna "help"...
>
> You inflicted enough hurt on my wife, that I'm anxious ta share it
> wid' ya.
>
> 'Cept ya got no class... midwest skank, ya became. Catherine,
> you're a blot on yer own memory.
>
> > -- Catherine
Oh, so now there's a memory? At least for this post. That'll change in
Blandorama-land, where nothing means anything at all except what the
blando-powers-that-be declare at the present moment, for their supporters without any
integrity whatsoever - or even the character to try for it.
You will never erase the eight years of all this, Bill. I have been consistent
throughout in my views of drum and bugle corps, and what I believed. The difference
was in believing the lies you and the rest of Berish's friends who stood by him - out
of like and respect, I guess - for 30+ years.
I feel sorry for you that you missed out. As fer you and Nancy, as you are
continuing to defraud others in the same ways that you once criticized - when it
suited you, I know what'chy'all are.
Nor is it me who's hurt yer wife. No one who has reviewed RAMD could take that
allegation seriously as to what you stand by for, what you have been a part of, and
all the rest of the unfair standards, unfairly applied. All the other bullies
posting lies will only illuminate other mediocrities who sell what could be out
because they've given up.
All the RAMD flame wars possible, in truth, are better than any frauds perpetrated,
no matter how much money is thrown or ill-gotten gains exploited. Keep digging...
-- Catherine
From: "Catherine" <Catherine@yahoo!!!.com>
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"MelodiousThunk" <thunk.m...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On May 24, 6:44 am, Shawn Hines <shawnhi...@myexcel.com> wrote:
> > On 5/24/07 09:07, in article
> > 1180012073.304632.253...@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com, "Jazzycat1"
> >
> > <jeffreyno...@msn.com> wrote:
> > > .
> >
> > >> 1977 & 1978 were at Mile High Stadium. (Also American Legion Nats in 1977.)
> >
> > >> 1979 was Birmingham.
> >
> > > Wrong bitch. 1979 Drums along the rockies was in Denver, in Mile High
> > > stadium, I went, I enjoyed it, I lost my virginity, thank God not to
> > > you.
> > > Just amazing how you twist and turn fun topics into platforms for your
> > > idiotic agenda you psychopathic beeyotch. Please just die now, OK?
Drums Along the Rockies was not specified. You left that out. Amazing how you twist
and turn topics (different shows, not "wrong" nor "psychopathic"). Interesting
thought process, particularly given those people whom you claim to associate with.
Whomever you are.
Just remember Levi Harton. You seem to be following in his footsteps rather
nicely -- well, not nicely...
Given all those deep and sincere concerns regarding young people being taken
advantage of, lied to, corrupted, groomed into abusive predators - and psychopathy,
your posts are quite welcome.
> > Ah ... 1979 DATR ... Great show. Especially for Spirit of Atlanta ;-)
> >
> > I still think Denver was/is one of the best venues for a drum corps show.
> >
> > Boulder is pretty outstanding, too.
> >
> > Shawn
>
> There were two DATR tours; the penultimate show on the 1st was the
> Mile High "Championship." Two weeks later, the penultimate show of the
> 2nd tour was Boise, ID, a far better show for SCV, Blue Devils won it,
> Spirit was elsewhere, and VK beat someone for a change. ;-)
>
> 1979. <sigh>
More like and respect betwixt friends, and "friends"... I think there's more than
enough grounds to disbelieve anything and EVERYTHING you ever wrote me regarding 1973
and 1974. I think I'll totally go back to believing, as I do about JB and Charlie,
and as Vince Lamb and others have alleged, that the truth is so much worse than even
I think now.
Toodles. Fer now...
-- Catherine
P.S. -- My drum corps memories are better than ever, now that they are no longer
clouded by what those DCI/blando types did to the activity. Since y'all care so
very, very much and ya wanna "help"...
-- Catherine
Catherine
"Catherine" <Catherine@yahoo!!!.com> wrote in message
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From: "Catherine" <Catherine@yahoo!!!.com>
Subject: Re: Good Drum Corps Memories
Message-ID: <VGd8i.24966$JZ3....@newssvr13.news.prodigy.net>
Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2007 12:48:53 GMT
"MelodiousThunk" <thunk.m...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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<snip>
> >
> > Oh, so now there's a memory? At least for this post.
>
> As you well know, I remember you as an intelligent, interesting girl
> from 1974. I knew you again when you marched in 1977.
You and I rarely interacted in 1977. But that's right, you and I have had this
discussion about those years, and this is now the spin after the truth about Berish
is out and a lot of things and people can't be lied about any longer. Or I won't
allow them to be lied about. Whichever.
> > That'll change in Blandorama-land, where nothing
> > means anything at all except what the blando-
> > powers-that-be declare at the present moment, for
> > their supporters without any integrity whatsoever -
> > or even the character to try for it.
> >
> > You will never erase the eight years of all this, Bill.
>
> Then, in 2000, you contacted me & started flooding me
> with emails and pumping me for information. Like other
> of your former friends and acquaintances, I saw in you
> someone whom I used to like, who seemed to be
> hurting, and I responded with kindness and sensitivity,
> and allowed you to, in retrospect, pump me for
> information for the next seven years. So I remember
> you as somone cool for a couple years, and then
> in a semi-functional dipolar state for the last eight or so.
Oh, I don't think any reasonable person is going to get that impression from your
e-mails - especially this latest mischaracterization of them. You and EVERYONE else
can continue this sort of tripe that may be effective with pedophiles, those who
cover for them, and any of the desperate band nerds that are still persuaded by some
ambitious/narcissistic/predatory mediocrity pretending to be a teacher, AS WE ONCE
WERE, and all of them who are being promised a whole lotta lies in order to keep the
corrupt blando corporate network <redundancies noted> limping along. But there will
continue to be the Eric Olivenbaums, and many of the other costs. There will also
continue to be genuine people and programs who exist despite y'all. And
increasingly, there will be those who know enough and care enough to combat people
who even will characterize themselves and what they do as "evil" as though EVERYTHING
were all a game (or "business"), rather than anything with meaning a decent and
informed person would belong to.
As for yer personal attacks on me, Bill, <::yawn::>
> > I have been consistent throughout in my views
> > of drum and bugle corps, and what I believed.
>
> You mean, like you believed in Downey, Housley, Isbell, etc.?
> You haven't been inconsistent at all, huh? Or howzabout Kilts,
> "Wegends," Sky, FFerns... again, what you believe changes
> with hormonal (im)balance.
Bill, those aren't the reasons. Your own e-mails put the lie to you now. And the
attempt at a misogynistic insult my way simply reveals you. As for what you call an
inconsistency in my beliefs about certain people, I fully admit my ineptness in
seeing predators and liars for what they are, particularly when said persons are in
full lying mode and when other people who have even lied about convicted child
molesters as well as blandos exploiting drum & bugle corps, music, and people's hopes
and dreams are enabling them.
I've learned better. What concerns me greatly is how I will still get e-mails from
some people who tell me how much they agree with all I write (whether they like my
"style" or not). What's also of concern is when I hear reports of other people, some
of whom attack me in some fora or at different times, who pretend they agree with me
or are even "my friend" (like you have claimed very recently) when I have stated
quite clearly that they are not.
Now, you may claim your views of reality are consistent and explanatory, just as I
claim them to be. Time will tell whether or not the continued response from
"reasonable blandos" <oxymoronic> is more trolling and manipulations via the internet
(and unfortunately in RL), or something more reasonable. I have low expectations for
the immediate future. But long-term is something else again.
> > The difference was in believing the lies you and the
> > rest of Berish's friends who stood by him - out
> > of like and respect, I guess - for 30+ years.
>
> Harvey appears to be back out; he was incarcerated a
> couple of months back. All that info. is on the Megan's
> Law site. I had neither like nor respect for the man,
> and of course you know that in detail...
I don't "know" anything of the kind.
> but I understand that you don't really care whom you're
> addressing. You're simply manipulating history for
> your own amusement.
That's a revealing statement - of you, not of me.
> Harvey's apparent friends, the Shaafsmas and Norris's,
> don't seem to be posting much, but I expect to hear
> from them anytime his name appears on RAMD.
>
> > I feel sorry for you that you missed out.
>
> See, I haven't missed anything. Life look good from
> here. Can you say the same?
Given the reality, I'm doing FAR better than anyone of EVERYONE expected or intended.
Thankew fer yer deep and sincere interests in my continuing development along my
values and according to my abilities and talents. </sarcasm>
> > As fer you and Nancy, as you are
> > continuing to defraud others in the same
> > ways that you once criticized - when it
> > suited you, I know what'chy'all are.
>
> It's pretty well established that Bill Turner posts under
> the nym Melodious Thunk. What other fraud could
> I possibly commit?
Yer deep and sincere concerns about consistency and all...
> (Use all the whitespace ya need...)
>
> > Nor is it me who's hurt yer wife.
>
> See, no class.
Yer taste for these gratuitous insults which have nothing to do with the argument
reveal you, Bill. They also reveal yer views on human nature and motivations - of
those who surround you. They also reveal you as clueless about me.
> I'll let your vast audience refresh their own memories,
> via Google, for your attacks on my wife's father, my wife
> when she was nine, and my kids.
Ah, the list of revisionistic lies is growing. Whatever. <::yawn::>
> You should really give back the jacket, as she asked.
Here's the deal, Bill. If you and JB would like to give me back the horns I sent
each of you, and can get a third party to come meet me somewhere in person, I am more
than happy to give the thing back - if only to shut you up on a matter on which it
would be in my power to do something about. I can easily photocopy the white
satin-era VK insignia and have my own jacket made, if I care to do so, and y'all can
getchur own horns, and this nonsense about returning things which were alleged at the
time to be gifts rather than - in your view - a purchase for all time of my views
and/or affections, or a manipulative tool to delay my appreciating yer actual
intentions. Whichever.
Or not. Just post the date and time. I'm sure Siglow or some other blando who
travels the country could do so, in-between trolling. That is, if you trust them
with either the horns or the jacket. BTW, the exchange would be made at a public
place, with witnesses.
Or you can quit being stupid and attempting to be gratuitously hurtful, no matter the
costs. Whichever.
> (Of course, that would require familiarity with ethics. You could
> probably sue Berkeley for malpractice, yanno.)
Yer deep and sincere concerns regarding ethics and people's perception of you as a
judge thereof...
But with regard to a concern for ethics... I was just going to let these posts pass.
Then I had some discussions with some other people. And in addition to the
additional information gathered, there is my long-term plan here - and something
which came outta all that. Bill's continued raising of the subject of Nancy's
father, a flame burp which also went nowhere, and the fact of his working along with
my father, allegedly talking about their daughters in drum corps, should have a whole
'nother significance.
If you know about these things - the reality, Bill - then shame on you. If you are
being used on these subjects, as all of us who march in groups where some (not all)
of the people surrounding us lied to us, then shame on them and shame on you for
being a willing part of enabling it.
Not that I will be surprised. I was told decades ago about certain sadistic glee
being taken by some people. I confronted the person and got the most abject apology
about it, and sworn resolutions to do better. I've seen what such statements from
some people are worth. I don't expect any better from you - after all, you've been
groomed by (some) people who are very adept at such things, and this is now all
you've got.
Again, I really do feel sorry for you, and what you willingly gave up.
> > No one who has reviewed RAMD could take that
> > allegation seriously as to what you stand by for, what
> > you have been a part of, and all the rest of the unfair
> > standards, unfairly applied. All the other bullies
> > posting lies will only illuminate other mediocrities
> > who sell what could be out because they've given up.
>
> You are, in fact, the bully posting the highest percentage
> of lies. As far as what could be, you don't have a clue.
Oh, yes I do.
> You criticize every effort to start websites and discussion
> groups, when you naturally have done the same,
> repeatedly, and have accomplished exactly nothing,
> other than weakining your own arguments.
Do I get to accuse you of a Freudian slip here for making a typo on "weakining"?
I've at least accomplished more honest "discussion" from you. It interests me to
observe you thinking that years of bullshit from you, along with years - and in some
cases, decades - of bullshit from a very few others appears to have been in some way
a form of superiority. Whatever.
Let me disabuse you of the notion that your evaluation of my or other people's resume
credits means anything to me on its face. Not that I expect such to stop you as you
continue transforming publicly into using the same sort of insults Parker, Norris et
al. were using years ago while you pretended to be better. I'm used to that sort of
phony.
> I "gave up" because corps wasn't interesting to me after about
> 1975. I still hung around for a few years trying to "give back"
> a little, but all your crusades aside, I (and millions of other
> corps fans) didn't care for corps in the DCI era as much as
> we did before. So, we left.
Keep modeling inconsistencies, Bill.
> > All the RAMD flame wars possible, in truth, are better
> > than any frauds perpetrated, no matter how much
> > money is thrown or ill-gotten gains exploited. Keep digging...
> >
> > -- Catherine
>
> Hey, I agree! Flame wars are better than frauds.
Yes, I've noted how there appears to be an interest by EVERYONE in making what has
happened over the past eight years where I am concerned "nothing but flame wars". It
ain't gonna happen. Just as making decades of genuine drum and bugle corps into
something worthless to be discarded by "newer and better" didn't, doesn't and will
never work.
You, EVERYONE and trolls can continue playing with people's perceptions all you like,
Bill. Such only reveals you, EVERYONE and said trolls. Then you can attempt to
persuade anyone about genuine achievement and the lack thereof, on and off the
internet.
Truth is, I don't (and didn't) have to do anything at all for you and EVERYONE to be
interested in me and what I might do. That's really what pisses you off, and
probably pissed you off then. Such lack of self-confidence on the part of any person
alleging they know anything about genuine drum corps is amazing to me.
> And your distaste for "ill-gotten gains exploited"
> means you'll be reimbursing everyone who's
> been helping "poor Catherine" for all these years
> you've remained in dire straights, right?
>
> (Pssst, Bill: the skank has no sense of morality. K. Nevermind.)
>
> <snip>
I feel sorry for you if this is your idea of charity. But then, I believe JB posted
something about there being no such thing as charity, selflessness and the like. It
appears he has persuaded you. I'm sorry that you apparently had no better
influences, or chose not to listen to them in favor of predators.
-- Catherine
From: "Catherine" <Catherine@yahoo!!!.com>
Subject: Re: Someone please inform Gary Lima...
Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2007 12:48:52 GMT
"Jim Blansett" <jim_bl...@hotmail.commakaze> wrote in message
news:bbkj535g1na2kidmo...@4ax.com...
> On 27 May 2007 11:12:47 -0700, MelodiousThunk
> <thunk.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On May 25, 6:37 pm, "Catherine" <Catherine@yahoo!!!.com> wrote:
> >> "Zorb" <mzeer...@hotmeals.commode> wrote in message
> >>
> >> news:jqie53tpelv710mhq...@4ax.com...
> >>
> >> <snip>
> >>
> >> > >I dont think so Jim,
> >> > >This place is just a Newsgroup, a place where you can
> >> > >play War of Words (a place where you can release
> >> > >insanity), you never know Jim, in real life? Catherine
> >> > >is probably just as she has always been (as you've known
> >> > >her back when),
Which also either indicates that they were either stupid then and stupid now -
initially - or were lying then about who and what they were then and pretended
initially in these past eight years as well. Had EVERYONE not been lying then, all
this could (and ought to) have been avoided. But given that EVERYONE still
apparently wishes to inflict on others what they inflicted then, well...
You respond to the situation based upon your own choices, Zorb - as you did and
didn't back then. That helps 'splain what you are doing here now. That is, if it
really is you rather than someone else pretending to be you.
> >> > >but here in RAMD? She's doing the RELEASE!
> >> > >All this digital media stuff that we deal with all the time
> >> > >is just one of the Seven Wonders of the Land, called?
> >> > >Entertainment.
"Entertainment" or things that piss you off? At best, you have a masochistic
fascination with things you also claim to find entertaining, Zorb. At worst, you
continue to lie about it all. Whichever.
> >> <::yawn::> And the weiner of the Lee Rudnicki "I'm Back
> >> After Taking my Ball and Going Home non-award is..."
!
> >> From: "Catherine" <Catherine@yahoo!!!.com> <snip>
> >> Message-ID: <fuM5i.3277$u56....@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net>
<snip>
> >>
> >> "Jim Blansett" <jim_blans...@hotmail.commakaze> wrote in message
> >>
> >> news:pg7e531riis23rt2u...@4ax.com...
> >>
> >> > On Fri, 25 May 2007 10:12:47 -0700, Charlie Groh wrote:
> >>
> >> > >On 25 May 2007 06:53:01 -0500, Jim Blansett
> >> > ><jim_blans...@hotmail.commakaze> wrote:
> >>
> >> > >>On Fri, 25 May 2007 00:34:37 GMT, "Catherine"
> >> > >><Catherine@yahoo!!!.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > >><snipped>
> >> > >>>So keep on with the many unfair standards WAY
> >> > >>>unfairly applied - and lies. The fact you want to say
> >> > >>>something about that now JB? Puts a whole 'nother
> >> > >>>spin on Dumont Street. You were how old then?
> >>
> >> > >>All particpants were capable of legally giving informed
> >> > >>consent - in other words, adults.
Was Angela also of-age? Speaking "of-age", what about all the alcohol? Also, and
it's rather amazing after all this time - but it speaks even more to the truth of
predatory exploitation, for those who care more about the preyed upon than those who
want to keep on preying - some of the other realities of that tour. Am glad <not
really> of all the continuing interest and posts, and what they indicate to others
who aren't here on RAMD attempting to style themselves as blando leaders and
apologists.
Because with more pertinent information, then as now, some people become more and
more apparent - as do Ron Housley's open questions and unfortunately one-sided
discussions.
And you, Bill. You mentioned Gail Royer's horrible sins - in an attempt to appear
reasonable, and to pretend that's part of the reason you went back to the VK after
yer tour north - and in advance of both Tim Moxley and Chris Nalls, amongst other
people. You also alleged once that you were part of being alienated out of
instructing in 1981. Things you actually believe which actually apply to "the
activity" and the people in them, or just manipulative tools for this target? Am not
expecting any sort of reply which will only require a suspension of belief with
regard to the inconsistencies of the person holding forth...
> >> > >>> Charlie at the lifeguard station at Huntington Beach
> >> > >>>when all us underagers got popped by the beach patrol?
> >> > >>>Some of the history of the
> >>
> >> > >...yah, and good ol' Charlie steered those mean beach patrolers
> >> > >away...don't recall chatty Cathy being there, tho...maybe she
> >> > >was with Noni, so I didn't notice.
> >>
> >> You weren't there (not this particular time anyhoo - gee, there
> >> were more such instances? Do tell, JB...). Charlie was the
> >> only one over 21 - and he was off at the lifeguard station
> >> with someone... That was why we were all calling "oh,
> >> Charlie..."
> >
> >You're painting informal member get-togethers as if they
> >were official functions.
That excuse doesn't fly any more these days. But it does interest me to know that
you have different sets of moral guidelines in one situation over another, and appear
to believe that younger people who don't realize they are being lied to and
manipulated by those older than they are have more of a responsibility to understand
the situation than said older people - particularly given that said older people, in
the history of the destruction of southern California drum corps (at least), were
working together in ways that said younger people knew nothing about.
> > You are lying.
Yer deep and sincere concerns about lying and those who do it are noted and given the
consideration such deserves.
> >> In fact, Charlie's facility of immediately sayin', "yes, I'm
> >> Rocco Oliverio and we Kingsmen just got out of
> >> rehearsal" takes on a whole new significance - regarding
> >> ease of lying.
> >>
> >> > >>There's a difference between alcohol and sex.
> >> > >>I realize your experiences may be different,
> >> > >>but the two can be mutually exclusive.
Not addressing the details, throwing something out like this (whether it does or
doesn't apply to the situation(s)), and then an attack (again, based upon nothing).
I realize I'm not going to get any honest answers from you now, just as I and others
didn't then. Thanks <not really> for detailing such for other reasonable people.
> >> > >...what's the mantra, "...unfair standards..." and all that rot?
Yer deep and sincere concerns for unfair standards, unfairly applied...
> >> > >>>Jimenez'?
> >>
> >> > >><snipped, again>
It's all re-appended below. Honest people with nothing to hide or coverup can read
it. As for me, I simply expect this sort of abuse. Such loses whatever power it
once had, once the manipulative triggers are gone.
> >> > >>>Keep digging...
> >>
> >> > >>You're a hypocrite - be a big girl and admit it. It
> >> > >>might be your first step to recovery (assuming
> >> > >>it ain't too late).
JB's deep and sincere concerns regarding hypocrisy are also noted...
> >> Not at all, JB. You and I already had this discussion
> >> a long time ago, and I told you that you were mistaken
> >> then in what you had perceived.
> >>
> >> I notice you don't bring up Gary Lee...
Yeah, that's a topic which puts the lie to a lot of y'all, then and now. Many
discussions were being brought up over these past eight years - the reasons why y'all
asked them being illuminated by yer now-publicly stated attitudes. You stood by
then, and you stood by more recently - as you stood by for and even helped Berish.
Which puts a whole 'nother spin on just why JB and Charlie were right there in the
whole initial Berish and Schaafsma incident. And the entire blando community was
more than happy to participate - until I didn't go away as was intended.
> >> > >...fat chance, JB...but from now on, I'm treating this
> >> > >stuff as HUMOR...while I count how many times she
> >> > >mentions *my* name along with yours
> >>
> >> You view that as an improvement? Keep digging, Charlie...
> >>
> >> > >(notice how we're a dynamic duo again? Heh...).
> >>
> >> > >cg
I think the "again" is a mischaracterization. "still" is more like it, and would be
expected.
> >> That also has 'splained sumthin' we've been wondering about.
> >> I'd say thanks, but, well, you know...
> >>
> >> And EVERYONE's deep and sincere concerns about
> >> pedophiles, predators, and those who psychopathically
> >> lie, manipulate and inflict such on people, no matter
> >> the costs, are noted and given the consideration such
> >> deserves.
> >>
> >> > I just knew it was a matter of time. Quite honestly, I'm
> >> > surprised it took her this long, since I cut her out of my
> >> > daily life a long damned time ago. And I feel much
> >> > better for it.
> >>
> >> Interesting resonance between what Berish and Schaafsma
> >> were doing and what you once claimed disagreeing with.
> >> But I'm sure you and Charlie have had plenty of practice
> >> over three, and probably four decades, of doing the same.
> >> I don't believe I'm special at all in this arena - blandos like
> >> you would have had to have lotsa practice. Unfortunately,
> >> you also had guidance and grooming. Even more
> >> unfortunately, you liked and respected predators and lying
> >> manipulators - then and now..
> >>
> >> I don't, and never did.
> >
> >Yet by your own claim, every single instructor you ever had
> >was a lying manipulator.
That's a lie, Bill. I refused to allow those destroying drum corps then to redefine
the activity in what one can now see as the blando evolution, starting with Downey's
"they 'appreciate' us" to 'splain the dead response to the BD's performances. I
still refuse to allow people like you, JB, Charlie and others who continue to lie
about EVERYTHING to so redefine my experiences and the experiences of a whole lotta
other people.
That's why I continue to be a target. It's also why drum corps people were targets
in the first place - the targeting of which you have been a part of since 1973 where
I was concerned. The fact you were well able to spin it one way just as you are
spinning that another way now reveals you. That puts you in the Garry Parker Apology
crowd.
As for your deep and sincere concerns regarding kids who are being lied to by ALL
their instructors, that's unfortunately not an uncommon situation - these days. Your
attempt to victimize further those who have been victimized, no matter the costs, is
noted. Accusations of paranoia are easy - particularly when claimed by predators in
an activity who have been "saving" it for 35+ years.
> >So you did, and always did. And now you're doing
> >your damndest to out-lie and out-manipulate the
> >few people who will still engage you in conversation.
You're the one who came into this "conversation". And just as you phish for "all
[my] instructors", you certainly don't speak for all the people in my life. You
don't even speak for yourself, from the evidence of the over 1000 e-mails in our
largely 2001-2002 "discussions". 'Twas an interesting bit o' tag-teaming back then,
from a small <pun intended> clique. Any analysis today of the blando "evolution"
which doesn't address the facts of all these "techniques" simply denotes people who
are either lying to the mark, er... target, er... "product" to be recruited, or
mediocrities who don't believe in anything better who don't care about themselves or
anyone else.
So when I see the same thing going on, by many of the same people, with more of the
same people standing by... Y'all are just pissed off at being found out.
Awwwwwwwwww...
> >> That's why I was targeted long ago.
> >
> >You *were* in fact "targeted long ago," and we've talked
> >about that many times. It was because you were ahead
> >of the Orange County cultural curve.
Oh, that's not the reason, Bill. I 'spose you attempt to flatter me with this sort
of thing. Too bad for you I didn't care then about such things, and I don't care
now.
> >You, when you couldn't yet drive, had business cards
> >printed that read "Sex Goddess." So evidence of your lyin'
> >manipulations goes back to at least 1973.
You are the one lying and manipulating. You are wrong on your dates and misleading
on yer reportage, and you are also lying about the intentions - in ways that put the
lie to a lot of other words of yours. But yer deep and sincere concerns regarding
liars and manipulators...
> >> -- Catherine?
> >
> >(I love the Freudian slip!)
>
> Damn, I missed that! Entirely apropos, don'tcha think?
>
> Great catch, Mr. Thunk.
>
>
> >
> ><snip the triple-post>
<snip>
-- Catherine?
Keep digging...
From: "Catherine" <Catherine@yahoo!!!.com>
Subject: Coming soon - the Exploitive Blando Patch (was Wanted, 80's Drum Corps
Patches)
Message-ID: <fLd8i.24967$JZ3....@newssvr13.news.prodigy.net>
Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2007 12:53:31 GMT
That one simply hasta be inferred - and should be looked for.
<Tax...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1180655072.6...@g37g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> I lost a lot of patches at one point, and I am looking
> to reacquire, or acquire as many as possible from
> the years I marched. Here is a list of possible
> patches I am looking for. I you happen to have any
> of these you are willing to part with, please drop me
> an email or PM and we will see whether we can work
> something out. Some of these patches may not
> exist, but I am interested if they do. I know that
> most of these DCI regional patches were not normally
> year specific, so I am quite flexible in what I might be
> willing to buy.
>
> 1982
> U.S. Open
> American International Championships
> DCI Championships - Montreal
>
> 1983
> CYO Nationals
> DCI South (Atlanta)
> DCI Championships - Miami
> DCI Semi-Finalist (was there such a patch?)
>
> 1984
> DCI Championships - Atlanta
>
> 1995
> DCI East (Allentown)
>
> 1986
> DCI South (Birmingham)
>
> Velvet Knights Member patch, any year above made other than 1984.
>
>
> Thanks for looking.
>
Catherine
>>> "mine" would have been a better word choice to more properly express the
designation of "them". Just wanted Nanci D to be able to follow the references she
apparently has so much trouble following, because I wouldn't want the uneducated or
newbie RAMD reader (about whom EVERYONE is so deeply concerned) to think that I am
the target of whatever she's starting a new thread about, nor that her understanding
of any situation is the "state-of-the-art" <$.02 to blando marketing manipulations>
here on RAMD.<<<
>>> And while I'm back here P.S.'ing, I should add - just to be clear - that I don't
believe Bill is able to speak for my views on all those other corps experiences I've
had, then or now. I'm well able to speak for myself, and he is perfectly able to
speak for his own opinion. As for anything or anyone else, he and I will need to
persuade - or not - on the merits of our words and arguments. As for the fact he's
attempting to speak in ways others have done that he once pretended to look down on,
well…<<<
Zorb
wrote:
(snipped for being to long n/a)
>
>> >> > >but here in RAMD? She's doing the RELEASE!
>> >> > >All this digital media stuff that we deal with all the time
>> >> > >is just one of the Seven Wonders of the Land, called?
>> >> > >Entertainment.
>
>"Entertainment" or things that piss you off? At best, you have a masochistic
>fascination with things you also claim to find entertaining, Zorb. At worst, you
>continue to lie about it all. Whichever.
Ok, now I see how you mistakenly attributed the above to me. You have
cut and pasted so much it was inevitable.
Z
Catherine
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"Zorb" <mzee...@hotmeals.commode> wrote in message
news:qqi3631htetvp4iqs...@4ax.com...
So what's yer serious purpose in postin' here, Zorb? Particularly as a sole
individual whose only discussion of all this is posted hereof?
Oh yeah - here's the latest "discussion" on the other thread - just in case ya
haven't refreshed yer browser or whatever... Nor would we want all those Googler's
missin' it.
And while I know it's long, be sure to read the below posts and then ask yerself how
precisely, given all that's been goin' on here all these years (which you know
nothing of since you don't talk to anyone, nor does anyone involved offer the
information), you feel able to comment. Be persuasive, given how seriously you view
it and all - given that I am so wrong on my inference.
Unless you are just attempting to divert the discussion. Whichever.
From: "Catherine" <Catherine@yahoo!!!.com>
Subject: Re: I have reconsidered...
Message-ID: <wvj8i.11665$2v1....@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net>
"Zorb" <mzee...@hotmeals.commode> wrote in message
news:0nd363lj7d2nfft42...@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 02 Jun 2007 14:50:21 GMT, "Catherine" <Catherine@yahoo!!!.com>
> wrote:
>
> >For Zorb, since he appears to be lookin' for more "entertainment"...
>
> I see that you, just like you accused Nanci of doing, didn't reference
> my so called "entertainment" quote, which I believe came from the
> other thread, which you attributed to me, but which I actually didn't
> write. I'm pretty sure the only entertainment quote I made was
> regarding "dr" Howdy.
>
> >
> >For decent people, beware when blandos use words (along with
> > EVERYTHING else). They are probably lying.
>
> ??? so then anything and everything these blandos say is a lie.
> I'm not smart enough to be an advice guy, but it seems that you might
> be able to help your cause more if you pick your shots more carefully
> instead of accusing everyone of lying all the time and being some sort
> of perverts.
I also offer the option of being a newbie, or manipulated into denial - or stupid.
Whichever.
> And on a personal note, no matter what grievances you may
> or may not have, real or imagined, against Charlie and JB,
> these guys are NOT evil.
>
> Zorb
<::yawn::>
Offering a guarantee, one which can be backdated eight years? No?
Your deep and sincere concerns about offering me help, Zorb, are noted and given the
consideration such deserves.
"No matter", eh?
Here's where the thread currently is - wouldn't want anyone to think you are
manipulatin' the thread in another direction or anythin'. Comment directly thereon,
and then on the merits persuade me that you - who once said you knew of no pedophiles
in drum corps despite being around in the 1970s - have any words worth considering on
this issue.
I won't wait.
From: "Catherine" <Catherine@yahoo!!!.com>
Message-ID: <GIi8i.11658$2v1....@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net>
"Jim Blansett" <jim_bl...@hotmail.commakaze> wrote in message
news:bl8363p043923ck68...@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 02 Jun 2007 16:05:32 GMT, "Catherine" <Catherine@yahoo!!!.com>
> wrote:
>
> >"Jim Blansett" <jim_bl...@hotmail.commakaze> wrote in message
> >news:av3363983cgahpv8b...@4ax.com...
> >> So have I.
> >>
> >> I was duped by you, as have been so many, to believe that
> >> you were a person of character, morals, and ethics. You
> >> have proven to be otherwise. You, Catherine, are a person
> >> who has missed her calling - you should have been on the
> >> stage. I'm fairly sure that, now, you should be under it.
> >
> >You forgot the "usual nonviolence disclaimers". Or was that
> >an intentional desire for harm to befall me?
>
> You figure it out.
Wow. Can't even get a precise answer on that one. Tsk, tsk.
> >I'll put yer latest evaluation of whom and what I am in the archives,
> >JB. I'd say it has more to do with the impossibility of your
> >claiming ignorance about having Berish
> I never, until you brought it light, had any direct knowledge of
> Harvey Berish's activities prior to his coming to California.
Well, that's worded carefully.
So you never had any interaction with him in the FFerns incident? Oh yeah - that was
all Don Clark, who doesn't known anyone back east either. And then Charlie in
1974/1975, never spoke with anyone back east either. Never knew about him anywhere
on tour, while he was a writer for the drum corps rags of that time? Never knew
anyone who knew him whom you should be a whole lot more pissed off at than anything
I've put you through, for setting you and any and every kid in southern California up
for three decades. Howzabout all those people whom you never speak with or write to
or whose e-mail lists you are on, who were completely silent about what they knew and
remembered once the guy started posting here on RAMD?
> He claimed to be a retired school teacher who had
> been involved with the Knickerbockers. That was
> good enough for me.
For what exactly?
> >on tour with no word of warning to us, or why on the
> > previous tour you had relationships with at least two
> >corpsmembers - being sure to caution them about how
> >THEY had to be careful not to say anything given how
> >others wouldn't understand the "relationship".
>
> Both of them were of age. Nothing illegal about a
> relationship with a person over the age of consent.
> However, to describe one as a relationship, while
> on tour, is another of your litany of lies. One
> night, in the back of my own truck, is hardly a
> relationship, and certainly not on tour.
So all that stuff about what yer wife or ex-wife was putting you through, that was
just during one night of foreplay? And be careful about whom you are calling a liar,
JB - even though yer deep and sincere concerns regarding "entertainment", er...
lying are noted....
> >One of those people kept your secret for a long, long
> >time. However, given what you have proven yourself
> >capable of, through your own words, over years now -
> >much more has been resolved and explained.
>
> "A long, long time" is relative, Catherine. You knew about
> it pretty damned early on for it to have been such a long time.
I think you and I are speaking about two different designations, particularly given
what you write above.
> >So you see, I am not surprised that you have ultimately
> >proven yourself to be an enabler and defender of trolls
> >and internet manipulation of young people, drum & bugle
> >corps and what might have been. I understand that it's
> >the best you've got.
>
> You manipulated a young person, yourself. A mere child
> of 14, was young Mr. A. You, among us all, should be
> chastised and abused for stalking and lusting over a mere
> child! How despicable!
You can repeat this all you like, JB. Doesn't make it true. I answered you years
ago and recently on this subject. And even if it were true, and you were
nevertheless paying my alleged sins far more attention than you have ever paid
Berish's, it would not slow down my reformation of the past decade. What it might
well do, amidst a public actually interested in protecting today's kids' welfare and
futures more than corrupted self-interest -- amongst those who prefer abuse and "what
they can keep private and get away with" -- is take a look at someone who was
themselves groomed and damaged beginning at the age of 12 who determined that such
would not be a life sentence for them.
I realize, however, that you are far more invested in EVERYTHING and EVERYONE and,
thusly, are far more beholden to such interests, and with no other options, should
you demonstrate any sort of character, morals and ethics anyone decent might hold.
As I look back, I am very fortunate I survived people like you.
But the juxtaposition between you dismissing all possibility of "relationship" with
either of the two young women in 1976 and your willingness to mischaracterize me as
having no more than a depraved interest in anyone is, well, interesting.
Particularly since we were all VK, which should bespeak something there - at least
then. So you are admitting such wasn't true of you - then? Or are you admitting
that you stood by, as an instructor, in drum corps allowing older kids to lust after
younger kids and said nothing - or at least by your own example, encouraged such?
And what was it Charlie just wrote about you and he together on a subject again?
> >As for the character, morals and ethics of someone who
> >would do that then, and the past eight years of all this
> >now, well... You - and EVERYONE else - had a long run
> >with what you did, and what you do. But it's over now
> ><usual nonviolence disclaimers> and not because of
> >anything I say. It ought to have never been possible
> >in the first place.
> >
> >You and I will simply have to agree to disagree. Unless
> >and until other events take it further. <usual nonviolence
> >disclaimers>
>
> No, we don't have to agree. I am amazed that you would
> have the need to archive every messageyou've ever received.
> You, Catherine, are manipulating, scheming, petty and devious.
Oh, it wasn't intentional. I've simply always been fascinated, as a student of
history, with a variety of correspondence between notables and treasure such. Then,
as a therapeutic tool - you remember compassionate persons like Shitlow and Nevermann
and the like recommending I show things to my counselors? - having both sides of
correspondence can be helpful. Further, I've always kept written correspondence. So
it was just a natural habit that has come to offer another value.
As for "manipulating, scheming, petty and devious", those are qualities you value, as
when you once described Allard to me as intelligent. Trouble with you is you don't
value anything on the merits, only when something serves you. If something doesn't,
then it can all be tossed - much like drum & bugle corps to blandos.
> >And yer deepest and most sincere concerns about people
> >bein' duped are noted and given the consideration such
> >deserves.
>
> Take your concern and shove it right up your ass, should you
> find room for it. If not - force it.
Such a pleasant toodles...
> >From: Jim Blansett <blan...@manta.colostate.edu>
> >X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U)
> >X-Accept-Language: en
> >MIME-Version: 1.0
> >To: Catherine Burr <cather...@yahoo.com>
> >Subject: Re: Fwd: Fw: What's everyone so upset about? (Part 2 of 2)
> >References: <2000092215125...@web1204.mail.yahoo.com>
> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> >
> >Catherine Burr wrote:
> >
> >> You know, I can't even picture Garry Parker. But here
> >> is proof that he's been one of the main instigators of
> >> my troubles.
> >
> >This guy is something else. He was ALWAYS a mouthy, loud, pushy kid
> >when I was affiliated with the corps. Just because his dad drove the
> >equipment truck, he thought he should get special dispensation--NOT! I
> >would not trust him any further than I could throw him.
> >
> ><snip>
> >
> >X-Apparently-To: cather...@yahoo.com via web1206.mail.yahoo.com
> >X-Track: 1: 40
> >Received: from manta.library.colostate.edu (129.82.122.11)
> > by mta103.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2000 10:59:00 -0700 (PDT)
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> >[129.82.209.96])
> > by manta.library.colostate.edu (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA50702;
> > Wed, 27 Sep 2000 11:55:53 -0600
> >Message-ID: <39D2340D...@manta.library.colostate.edu>
> >Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 11:53:17 -0600
> >From: Jim Blansett <blan...@manta.colostate.edu>
> >X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U)
> >X-Accept-Language: en
> >MIME-Version: 1.0
> >To: Terri Dittrich <terri...@earthlink.net>
> >CC: cather...@yahoo.com
> >Subject: Re: Dear Catherine, (long once again)
> >References: <8qqoeo$63k$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>
> ><20000927000043...@ng-fi1.aol.com>
> ><LVjA5.1076$GS6....@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>
> ><39d5dc35....@news-west.newscene.com>
> ><000d01c02879$fb755b20$98821f26@terriditt57>
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> >
> >Terri Dittrich wrote:
> >
> >> Hopefully you guys won't nominate him for the nobel peace prize or anything.
> >> He did stir the pot that started the entire incident.
> >>
> >> I probably wouldn't have said anything at all had I known it would be such a
> >> quick turn-around, and he comes out looking the hero for saving his own
> >> butt. I'm not sure self-preservation deserves all these accolades. ;-)
> >>
> >> An actual noble thing for him to do would have been to:
> >>
> >> 1. Come clean with Catherine before he was busted. Tell her he had sent
> >> unflattering email to me beginning May 4th and was sorry for it.
> >>
> >> 2. Tell me that perhaps he was wrong to interfere in Catherine's and my
> >> relationship. He should have told me that she is not what I said and try
> >> to mend fences with her AS I (Garry) HAVE.
> >>
> >> He only apologized when painted into a corner by my fwd'ing that email to
> >> Catherine. I actually did come clean to Catherine at the Johnsburg parade
> >> and in email. Of course, that was ONLY in person and not in some showy post
> >> for RAMD consumption.
> >>
> >> I am still shocked by his hypocrisy since the email he sent to me last
> >> Friday is indicative of it.
> >>
> >> But I'm just keeping that one to myself because I am not sure I can stomach
> >> watching him being lauded for all of THIS.
> >>
> >> Oh well. I am happy I told Catherine anyway. We will get along fine this
> >> year.
> >>
> >> I hope she will learn as I have: trustno1 (hoping I can get that vanity
> >> plate for my new car)
> >>
> >> -Terri
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Jim Blansett" <blan...@manta.colostate.edu>
> >> Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
> >> Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 11:42 AM
> >> Subject: Re: Dear Catherine, (long once again)
> >>
> >> > On Wed, 27 Sep 2000 10:24:43 GMT, "Terri Dittrich"
> >> > <terri...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > <snip>
> >> > >That's enuf for me to say on all of this. I'll let the Velvet Knight
> >> > >alumni love fest ("Clearing the air" thread) take over from here.....
> >> > >
> >> > >-Terri
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> > Hey!! We resemble that!
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Jim Blansett
> >> > the original VK
> >> >
> >> > I STILL bleed red, black and white
> >> >
> >
> >You know, Terri, I am amazed at how good Garry is looking in this situation. I
> >am distressed that MOST people will have no idea, at all, the genesis of this
> >difficulty surrounding Garry. He has played his cards well in this game.
> >
> >I sent my response to him on RAMD, worded the way it was, in hopes that some of
> >Catherine's other attackers would get on the bandwagon, and take the opportunity
> >to make some apology to her about the way she is generally treated by them.
> >Thus far, there are no others that have the "equipment" it takes to admit being
> >wrong or hurtful. It is very hard for a man to admit error, any man, except for
> >those of us who have grown to the level of security and self-assuredness that
> >admission requires. Took me a long time, but I'm there!
> >
> >You are right to label Catherine a "free spirit." She is, was, and will
> >probably always be, one of the most colorful characters I've met in my journey
> >through life. The term "free spirit" probably doesn't do real justice to her.
> >While I may not agree with everything she says, does, or espouses, I certainly
> >support her right to do so. I think very highly of Catherine, and I believe she
> >thinks highly of me. I will support her in most issues, and will try and
> >dissuade her attackers from pointedly attacking her, rather than her ideas. I
> >will not always do so publicly. Catherine has gotten strong and wise using her
> >own skills and abilities--I certainly wouldn't want to demean her achievements
> >by my coming to her defense. If she asks--that's one thing. My
> >volunteering--that's something else again.
> >
> >I am glad the two of you have gotten to know each other better--you probably
> >already know it is better to have Catherine as a friend, rather than your
> >enemy. Her strength and forthrightness is a doubled-edged sword. If you are
> >her friend, she will fight to the death to defend you--if you are her enemy, the
> >opposite applies. This is, while both good and bad, is something that just is.
> >
> >By the way, Catherine knows she can trust at least one person--she can trust
> >me. If you knew me, I'd wager you could do the same--just ask Catherine.<g>
> >
> >Nice talking with you, Terri.
> >
> >Keep in touch.
> >
> >Regards,
> >JB
> >
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> >2003 06:20:42 -0800
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> >From: jim.bl...@comcast.net
> >To: "Catherine Burr" <songs...@sbcglobal.net>
> >Cc: "Bill Turner" <bill_ge...@hotmail.com>
> >Subject: Re: E-mails
> >Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 14:20:41 +0000
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> >
> >Catherine,
> >
> >If your being my friend has caused me a problem, then I need more
friends like you.
> >The relationship between the two of us has been witnessed by
EVERYONE. It is, in my
> >feeble mind, what is partially responsible for us having been able to expose the
> >coalition of assholes for what they are. It has long been my intent to draw these
> >people(?) out -- to allow others to see what shit goes on. Thankfully, the task
is
> >much easier now. With the addition of Bill, and his wonderful skills, we can
direct
> >conversations in nearly any direction we choose. That is not my intent, however.
> >
> >Just keep on keepin' on -- I shall do the same.
> >
> >JB
> >
> >> JB --
> >>
> >> Frankly, I did not remember the original situation with the e-mails.
> >>
> >> I did not question the situation for you to take it personally.
> >>
> >> If friendship with me is ever too difficult for you, I understand.
> >> Considering the volume of people helping to make it so - for which the buck
> >> stops with me - I see that it can be a problem for you or anyone.
> >>
> >> I will continue to use the comcast address.
> >>
> >> -- Catherine
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: <jim.bl...@comcast.net>
> >> To: "Catherine Burr" <songs...@sbcglobal.net>
> >> Cc: "Bill Turner" <bill_ge...@hotmail.com>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 10:50 PM
> >> Subject: Re: E-mails
> >>
> >>
> >> > Catherine,
> >> >
> >> > Yes, there is a reason I asked you to not use my work email. The sheer
> >> volume of your missives would quickly fill my mailbox at work, and,
> >> possibly, take an inordinate amount of time to address. Secondly, lest you
> >> think there is something devious going on, you might want to know the manner
> >> in which addresses are assigned at a large institution. There is, quite
> >> commonly, an eight-letter naming convention employed. The convention is
> >> normally satisfied by using the first letter of your first name, and your
> >> last name. If your last name exceeds eight letters, only the first seven
> >> letters are used. I also have the address jim.bl...@ua.edu, which
> >> employs a more relaxed namimg convention.
> >> >
> >> > The address they originally assigned me at 'Bama is just like my original
> >> address at CSU: jbla...@holly.colostate.edu.
> >> >
> >> > Finally, I'd like to say bullshit! That, my dear, is a fucking insult to
> >> both my integrity, and our friendship. If you think I am untrustworthy,
> >> well, it comes a little late in "the game." I suggest you either reconsider
> >> whether or not I can be trusted, or cross my name off your list.
> >> >
> >> > JB
> >>
> >
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"Catherine" <Catherine@yahoo!!!.com> wrote in message
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:
: > >On May 25, 6:37 pm, "Catherine" <Catherine@yahoo!!!.com> wrote:
: > >> "Zorb" <mzeer...@hotmeals.commode> wrote in message
: > >>
: > >> news:jqie53tpelv710mhq...@4ax.com...
: > >>
: > >> <snip>
: > >>
: > >> > >I dont think so Jim,
: > >> > >This place is just a Newsgroup, a place where you can
: > >> > >play War of Words (a place where you can release
: > >> > >insanity), you never know Jim, in real life? Catherine
: > >> > >is probably just as she has always been (as you've known
: > >> > >her back when),
:
: Which also either indicates that they were either stupid then and stupid
now -
: initially - or were lying then about who and what they were then and
pretended
: initially in these past eight years as well. Had EVERYONE not been lying
then, all
: this could (and ought to) have been avoided. But given that EVERYONE
still
: apparently wishes to inflict on others what they inflicted then, well...
:
: You respond to the situation based upon your own choices, Zorb - as you
did and
: didn't back then.
Sorry Catherine?,
"The message you threw out above?!?!?!,...., is mine
(an Official and Genuine Velvet Knight), and not, Zorbs
(not saying he isnt Genuine),...., and I always thought you
were better than that, Catherine!!!..."
<-> "Colonel Jake" <Sergea...@comcast.net> wrote in message
<-> news:x_OdnV1RFMqHosrb...@comcast.com...
<-> :
<-> : I dont think so Jim,
<-> : This place is just a Newsgroup, a place where you can play War of
<-> : Words (a place where you can release insanity), you never know Jim,
<-> : in real life? Catherine is probably just as she has always been
<-> : (as you've known her back when), but here in RAMD? She's doing
<-> : the RELEASE!. All this digital media stuff that we deal with all
<-> : the time is just one of the Seven Wonders of the Land, called?
<-> : Entertainment.
<-> :
<-> :
: That helps 'splain what you are doing here now. That is, if it
: really is you rather than someone else pretending to be you.
:
: > >> > >but here in RAMD? She's doing the RELEASE!
: > >> > >All this digital media stuff that we deal with all the time
: > >> > >is just one of the Seven Wonders of the Land, called?
: > >> > >Entertainment.
:
: "Entertainment" or things that piss you off? At best, you have a
masochistic
: fascination with things you also claim to find entertaining, Zorb. At
worst, you
: continue to lie about it all. Whichever.
<again Catherine>
"The message you threw out above?!?!?!,...., is mine
(an Official and Genuine Velvet Knight), and not, Zorbs
(not saying he isnt Genuine),...., and I always thought you
were better than that, Catherine!!!..."
<-> "Colonel Jake" <Sergea...@comcast.net> wrote in message
<-> news:x_OdnV1RFMqHosrb...@comcast.com...
<-> :
<-> : I dont think so Jim,
<-> : This place is just a Newsgroup, a place where you can play War of
<-> : Words (a place where you can release insanity), you never know Jim,
<-> : in real life? Catherine is probably just as she has always been
<-> : (as you've known her back when), but here in RAMD? She's doing
<-> : the RELEASE!. All this digital media stuff that we deal with all
<-> : the time is just one of the Seven Wonders of the Land, called?
<-> : Entertainment.
<-> :
<-> :
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:AUK: Goofy Azzed Babboon, Sep 05
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:AUK: Unabomber Surprise, Apr 06
`^'^ด http://www.coloneljake.com/pages/page002/
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:AUK: Bolo Bullis Foam Duck #20, Apr 06
`^'^ด http://www.coloneljake.com/pages/page003/
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:AUK: Bob Allisat Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker, May 06
`^'^ด http://www.coloneljake.com/pages/page004/
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:AUK: Barbara Woodhouse Memorial Dog Whistle, May 06
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http://www.coloneljake.com/pages/page005/
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:AUK: Tinfoil Sombrero, Feb 07
`^'^ด http://www.coloneljake.com/pages/page011/
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Nada???,...., ain't got shite from AFA-B yet ???
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ซ,ป AUK's der'any RAMD'sters go home ซ,ป
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Colonel Jake is a registered trademark
of Colonel Jake Enterprises, L.L.C.
All rights reserved.
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I'll say whatever I flockin' want!!!
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"PEACE!!!..."
*thank you Master Pink and in the name of Goddess Kali*
*so be it*
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:And then some...
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: -- Catherine