OT: Find Out If Your Senators/Representatives Really Support Our Troops and Veterans
Sis
http://www.veteranreportcard.org/reportcard.pdf
You might also check the Report Card of the two Main Vice Presidential
candidates.
Obama - B
McCain - D
Jackie
David White
Nice try. Of the ten votes, McCain was not present at 6. Of the 4 he was
there for, he voted yes on 3. He was not present to vote on the 6 due to
being trail for the presidency.
Obama was missing for 4 votes. That is pretty much the difference
between the two. If McCain were present to vote for the 6 he missed, he
may have had a higher rating than Obama. Then again maybe not.
Sis
One. I didn't write this, so I hope your "nice try" isn't directed at me.
Two. I didn't add them up!
Three. I can't help it McCain didn't show up to vote.
Jackie
David White
But, you are the one who posted it and drew our attention to it. And you
are the one who posted Obama's and McCains so called grades.
Sis
But I did not grade them.
Jackie
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzr3pdXqZ98
enjoy the truth...
George
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http://beltwayblips.com/video/votevets_ad_mccain_and_the_gi_bill/
Here's another vet calling mcdonothing out.
Sis
Wow!
Jackie
the OTHER Mike
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But but but, my friends, he stands on his record...................:-)
David White
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> but face it Jackie, these guys here are not open-minded, no matter
> what they say.
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Zorb,
All you have done is shoot your mouth off and tell us that we are
wrong. You have not chosen to show us how we are wrong by posting any
facts, even tho you state that you do have them. if we are indeed wrong,
show us.
the OTHER Mike
> On Thu, 09 Oct 2008 02:12:25 -0400, Sis
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> but face it Jackie, these guys here are not open-minded, no matter
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I'm open minded to say I think we are screwed no matter who wins.
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This should shut you up on this issue...but it won't.
McCain's attack on vets
His respectful rhetoric isn't matched by his votes.
By Edward Humes
May 30, 2008
MORE THAN A FEW people have been puzzled by Sen. John McCain's dogged
opposition to the updated GI Bill of Rights now before Congress. The
dissonance between McCain's military-man image and his actions on this
issue have introduced a jarring note to his presidential aspirations
-- and have highlighted the shoddy treatment many Iraq war veterans
have received.
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FOR THE RECORD:
GI Bill: A May 30 Op-Ed article about the GI Bill said the 1944 bill
offered full benefits to any veteran who served 90 days. The bill paid
for 12 months of college or vocational school if a veteran served 90
days, with additional benefits, up to 48 months of school, for each
month of military service. —
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Why would a Vietnam War veteran and former prisoner of war, a man who
is personally acquainted with the difficulties vets can face in
returning to civilian life, join President Bush in opposing a popular
bipartisan bill to support the troops? Isn't fixing the education
benefit in the bill -- one that has shortchanged far too many veterans
for years -- a political no-brainer in an election year? The 75
senators who recently voted for it certainly thought so. Over the
Memorial Day weekend, Sen. Barack Obama expressed some well-timed
astonishment at McCain’s opposition, and the two have been feuding
about it ever since. The media and pundits seem perplexed,
collectively suggesting: That's not the John McCain we know.
Which is true: It is the John McCain they don't know. If the media
weren't so mesmerized by the McCain image they have long promoted and
instead got to know the McCain record, they would realize that there
is nothing surprising or inconsistent about his position on the GI
Bill. For years he has opposed legislation that veterans and their
advocates deem vital. In doing so, he is simply being true to the
contemporary conservative wing of the GOP and its leader, George W.
Bush, in opposing social programs and benefits for individuals, even
if those individuals happen to be veterans. The only surprise is that
anyone finds this surprising.
This time, though, McCain is swimming against the tide of history. The
original GI Bill -- signed into law in 1944 -- was one of the most
important laws every adopted by Congress. It transformed the nation
after World War II in epic fashion, with generous college benefits,
stipends, subsidized mortgages, business loans and job training and
placement.
Veterans got free rides to any college that would accept them.
Tuition, books, housing and living expenses were all covered, giving
rise to a new generation of scientists, inventors, teachers, doctors,
civic leaders and artists. Low-interest, no-money-down home loans
backed by the government made it cheaper to buy than to rent.
Suburbia, widespread homeownership, college as a majority aspiration,
the middle class -- all were built on the back of the GI Bill.
It reinvented the American dream. Bob Dole and George McGovern went to
school on the GI Bill. So did Clint Eastwood and Paul Newman. So did
14 Nobel Prize winners. So did 7 million other World War II veterans.
Today's GI Bill, however, is a pale shadow of the original,
particularly when it comes to college, as Congress has not kept the
benefits in line with the rising cost of higher education. The World
War II-era living stipend is gone; in its place, members of the
military must agree to a $100 monthly payroll deduction to receive the
college aid. An education benefit that sent WWII vets to Yale now
won't cover four years at the average public university, though many
recruits don't understand this when they sign up.
Sen. James Webb (D-Va.), a former Marine who served in Vietnam and who
was President Reagan's Navy secretary, has made restoring the GI Bill
education benefits one of his signature issues; it was his bill, co-
sponsored by Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-Neb.), that cleared the Senate over
McCain's and Bush's opposition.
McCain argues that making the education benefits too generous will
hurt retention, as enlistees will leave for college after three years
rather than reenlist. McCain's position makes sense only by
overlooking the fact that the main retention (and recruiting) problems
facing the military are the Iraq war and the scandals plaguing
military and veterans healthcare. (The most recent outrage: In a
Memorial Day speech, Secretary of Veterans Affairs James Peake
downplayed the seriousness of brain trauma suffered by tens of
thousands of servicemen in Iraq and Afghanistan, calling many of their
diagnoses "overblown" and likening them to youth football injuries.)
The inadequacy of the military's prime recruiting tool -- subsidized
college educations -- is hurting recruitment too, and Webb argues this
can be fixed only by fixing the GI Bill. He says McCain, a friend, "is
missing the boat" by siding with the Bush Pentagon rather than
veterans groups. Webb points to a Congressional Budget Office analysis
that found any possible losses in retention caused by his bill would
be balanced by the increases in recruitment it would generate.
McCain's rationalization for opposing the bill may not hold water, but
his stance makes perfect sense in light of his record. From 2004 to
2006, the Disabled Veterans of America gave him annual scores ranging
from 50% to the most recent 20% when it comes to supporting the
group's legislative priorities. The Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of
America gave him a grade of "D" in its most recent analysis of voting
records. The American Legion says he is dead wrong on the GI Bill, as
does the Veterans of Foreign Wars.
When Obama (who has averaged an 86% rating from the Disabled Veterans
of America) criticized McCain on the GI Bill, the Arizona senator
angrily suggested that Obama's status as a non-veteran rendered his
opinions on military matters worthless (an odd stance, as this
standard would also discount the opinions of 85% of American men,
98.8% of American women and two-thirds of Congress). Then he invited a
look at his own record by asserting, "I take a back seat to no one in
my affection, respect and devotion to veterans."
So let's take McCain up on his invitation. Here is how he has stood on
recent legislation supported by major veterans organizations:
* On Webb's GI Bill, he expressed opposition, and he was AWOL when it
was time to vote on May 22.
* Last September, he voted against another Webb bill that would have
mandated adequate rest for troops between combat deployments.
* On a badly needed $1.5-billion increase for veterans medical
services for fiscal year 2007 -- to be funded through closing
corporate tax loopholes -- he voted no. He also voted against
establishing a trust fund to bolster under-budgeted veterans
hospitals.
* In May 2006, he voted against a $20-billion allotment for expanding
swamped veterans medical facilities.
* In April 2006, he was one of 13 Senate Republicans who voted against
an amendment to provide $430 million for veterans outpatient care.
* In March 2004, he voted against and helped defeat on a party-line
vote a $1.8-billion reserve for veterans medical care, also funded by
closing tax loopholes.
Before the Senate voted on Webb's GI legislation, McCain offered what
he called a compromise bill, but it was rejected. Webb pointed out
that there really was no compromise in McCain's proposal because it
would have excluded most veterans by offering full education benefits
only to those with multiple enlistments, even though 70% to 75% of
enlistees leave after one tour.
Compare McCain's stingy standards with the original GI Bill: Any
veteran who served 90 days during World War II, in combat or not,
earned full benefits. It is Webb's bill that represents the reasonable
compromise between the gold standard set for the "greatest
generation's" original GI benefits and what is doable in today's
economy: a GI Bill that will truly pay for a college education after
three years of service, without the onerous payroll deduction.
So here is where the McCain image and reality part company. It is
certainly true that his affectionate and respectful rhetoric for
America's servicemen and women takes a back seat to no one. But when
it comes to improving the health and education of our veterans,
McCain's record leaves them stranded by the side of the road.
flu...@msn.com
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> at best and horrid record recently when it comes to GIs and vets.
> Don't let these guys bullshit you.
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Vets group slams McCain on voting record
By Rick Maze - Staff writer
Posted : Wednesday Oct 8, 2008 12:38:28 EDT
The nation’s most prestigious group for Iraq and Afghanistan war
veterans released a congressional scorecard on Tuesday that ranks
Republican presidential candidate John McCain as having one of the
worst voting records when it comes to supporting troops and veterans.
The grade is due to his absence on several key votes on military and
veterans’ issues over the last two years.
McCain, ranking Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee and
a decorated Navy fighter pilot who spent 5½ years as a prisoner of war
in Vietnam, received a D on the report card from Iraq and Afghanistan
Veterans of America. He is one of nine lawmakers — four senators and
five members of the House of Representatives — who received a D or F
from the nonprofit, nonpartisan group.
McCain’s presidential campaign staff did not respond to calls asking
for comment on the report.
Two people — both Republicans — received an F: Sen. Jim DeMint of
South Carolina and Rep. Ron Paul of Texas.
For senators, scores were based on 10 votes involving increased
funding for veterans’ programs, expansions of benefits, a vote to
purchase Mine Resistant Ambush Protected vehicles and four separate
votes at various stages of consideration of the Post-9/11 GI Bill of
Rights and co-sponsorship of the bill.
McCain’s Democratic challenger, Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois,
received a B on the report card, the same grade received by Obama’s
vice presidential running mate, Sen. Joseph Biden, D-Del. Obama and
Biden also missed key votes; Obama missed four and Biden three.
Fifty-five senators received an A on the report card.
In the House, grades were based on 13 votes and co-sponsorship of the
full-tuition GI Bill benefits that became law earlier this year. Votes
included increasing veterans’ funding and benefits, a veterans’
suicide prevention bill, a bill giving refugee status to translators
who worked with U.S. troops in Iraq, expanded wounded warrior
treatment programs and a bill ending the government’s policy of
requiring repayment of bonuses for people who did not complete their
military obligation because of death or disability. Five House members
received a D, but 250 others received an A.
Vanessa Williamson of IAVA said the grades are based on items drawn
from the association’s legislative agenda, which was provided to every
congressional office.
Getting a good score was not that difficult because many of the votes
on veterans’ issues were unanimous or nearly unanimous. In the Senate,
only three votes on the Post-9/11 GI Bill made a significant
difference in grades. In the House, two votes on the GI Bill and a
2007 vote about whether Iraq and Afghanistan war veterans should be
given two years or five years of no-questions asked health care from
the Department of Veterans Affairs made the difference.
One hundred fifty lawmakers received perfect scores.
Colonel Jake
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Sis
> On Thu, 09 Oct 2008 01:22:49 -0400, Sis
> at best and horrid record recently when it comes to GIs and vets.
> Don't let these guys bullshit you.
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Jackie
David White
Why thank you very much.
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David White
Isn't it funny how history repeats itself. Didn't this happen 4 year ago
to John Kerry?? BTW, I didn't support the swiftboat attacks then.