Madison 88: What Happened?
Nikk Pilato
I've always been curious about how things came together for the
1988 Madison Scouts. I know that Scott Stewart's philosophy has been to
cater to the crown, and *not* the judges...but this was one Madison show
that obviously did both.
1988 Madison's marching technique was CLEAN! Their ensemble
visual was near flawless. Everything seems to have come together at the
right moment for them, that is one truly great show.
Why can't it happen again? Why can't Madison have a show that
appeals to both the judges and the crowd? 1988 did...in a BIG WAY. That
is one of my all-time favourite shows.
Did they do something different in 1988 (aside from going to
Europe?) Did they go to critique? Did they practice more? Less?
Anyone out there in RAMDland know?
Greg and Lisa Rochford
>
>I know that Scott Stewart's philosophy has been to
The crown? as in THE Crown (Great Britain)?? or the other crown, you
know, that other corps!
Greg Small
entertained, I still have a wav file of that show and listen to it often.
Greg(ory)
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Irish Terry Conklin
>know, that other corps!
Excuse this statement if it was meant sarcastically, but I think he meant
"crowd".
Michael
SFA Trombone
Sugar Land tx
co2000
"Who's the bird?"
Don Davis
put on shows I didn't care much for) are absolutely my favorite 4ever. I
don't know what happened that year, but I think SCV in 88 deserved to win
more than SCV 89. I still think 89 is one of the greatest shows I've ever
seen, and I think it deserved to win, but if Phantom's incredeble Dvorak
show had been the winner, I could see how they deserved it, too.
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know are not with theirs. Just don't ever change Madison. I know for a fact
that some people only go to a Show if Scouts are there. These people are
ones that go to one show a year, but will go and put their money down to see
Madison.
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>
> I've always been curious about how things came together for the
>1988 Madison Scouts. I know that Scott Stewart's philosophy has been to
>cater to the crown, and *not* the judges...but this was one Madison show
>that obviously did both.
>
B. Paul Bailey
BD
Star?
SCV
Cavies
---Long TV break---
Madison
Garfield
paul bailey
madison 88-90
chapel <mwet...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
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> Sorry but Madison did not go on last. Cavies did.
>
> Miek Wetzel
> DaveGA178 <dave...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> > Or could it be this-- I had a friend who marched baritone that year who
> said
> > that their finals show was a bag of crap compared to the semi's and even
> > quarter's show. BUT, that year, corps went on, not in order, but by
> lottery
> > pick, and Madison went on last. So could it be that, by being last, the
> judges
> > gave Madison the benefit of the doubt based on the fact that they were
> last to
> > perform??
>
>
B. Paul Bailey
hard time. One of them was a 5 year member who would never say that in
public and the other was a rookie ageout who knew better.
paul bailey
Madison 88-90
EuphScott <euph...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Nikk,
>
> 1988 was my first year to view corps live. One week prior to Finals at a
show
> in Dallas, we were allowed on the field for teh clinic. Young high school
> whippersnappers that we were, we asked the Baritone soloists who was going
to
> win it all that summer. They did not think about and said they were. We
were
> blown away by their brashness, but I am guesing that there was a push to
make
> that happen.
>
> The corps may claim not to have designs on winning, but that year I know
at
> least two guys had that look in their eyes.
>
> Scott
Casteend
in Dekalb IL. The order was Phantom, Star, Cavaliers and then Madison. Its
funny how they couldnt get out of their backyard with out getting a
butt-kicking but then turned it on to win DCI. What happened tot he others
cavies-5th
phantom-6th
star-7th
I think a few corps peaked a little too early that year!
Doug
DaveGA178
timoth...@my-deja.com
Nikk Pilato <pila...@cmr.fsu.edu> wrote:
>
> Did they do something different in 1988 (aside from going to
> Europe?) Did they go to critique? Did they practice more? Less?
> Anyone out there in RAMDland know?
>
> ++
> np
>
> http://otto.cmr.fsu.edu/~pilato_n
>
If memory serves correctly, Madison attended critique during 1988. A
contra that marched with Sky Ryders in 87 marched with Madison during
88, and he told me that they had a lot more free time during first tour
while in Europe. They took several free days while there. Rehersals
were intense and productive, and there was plenty of fun thrown in.
Madison didn't have they best show in Finals; however, their
performance in semi-finals was incredible. The did not perform in
quarterfinals, because prior year finalists were still seeded into
semifinals in 1988.
--
Tim Kviz
Sky Ryders 85-88
Various Others 78-84
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Nikk Pilato
No. Madison went on second to last. Garfield went on last. And
I do not believe that's what did it.
chapel
Miek Wetzel
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BOY1230
drawing for finals. Blue Devils owned 1988 and to this day it still blows my
mind how an undefeated corps can come in 3rd. Madison belonged in 3rd behind
Blue Devils and SCV. Imho
Nikk Pilato
Nope....Garfield did. If I recall the order correctly, it was
(from last to first on the broadcast)
Garfield
Madison
Cavies
SCV
BD
But I know for sure that Garfield went on last.
chapel
I just knew that Madison was not last and could not remember who was last.
Mike Wetzel
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Phil Earnhardt
>Here's another spin about Madison 88. They were FOURTH place after DCM finals
>in Dekalb IL. The order was Phantom, Star, Cavaliers and then Madison. Its
>funny how they couldnt get out of their backyard with out getting a
>butt-kicking but then turned it on to win DCI. What happened tot he others
IIRC, DCM was the first show that Scouts performed after their
European tour. They might have been a bit jet-lagged.
I was in the Chicago area on a business trip in July that summer.
While on that trip, I got a ticket to the Cavaliers show and then the
DCM show the next weekend. AND I had my company reiemburse me for both
tickets.
It was such a treat at championships that summer in KC. Again, as I
recall, Scouts was one of the few top-12 corps that marched the parade
that year. They were playing their way cool arrangement of the Stars
and Stripes Forever in the parade. Where I was standing, the crowd was
within inches of the corps marching by; Scouts clearly were clearly
enjoying themselves immensely performing in that parade.
I loved it when Scouts won. And it was also sad, because that was a
beautiful and massively entertaining BD show in 1988. What a year!
>Doug
--phil
DCI Chump
>1988 Madison Scouts.
1) SCV had a LOUSY LOUSY hornline.
2) BD had a lackluster visual show.
3) Garfield did not register GE
4) Cavies were musically dreary.
In other years, Mad would not have won...they owe that victory to the
aforementioned:)
Oh...they (temporarily) lost the 3-minute coda to end EVERY damned show they
do...I SWEAR I told my friend: "OMG! No coda! They're gonna win!"
Cheers, thanks a lot.
Steve Sorrell
Scouts won semi finals too, which blows your theory out of the water. One
full week before finals, on August 13, the Scouts scored only .4 behind SCV,
so it was anyone's game to win during championships.
Steve
bny...@my-deja.com
to
> cater to the crown, and *not* the judges...but this was one Madison
show
> that obviously did both.
I totally disagree. This show did not cater to the judges at all.
It was just a case of "do what you do well".
Before that summer got under way, the Madison Scouts board
of directors wanted to oust Scott Stewart for his "wimpy"
approach to competition. Perhaps he was a tad bit more driven
because of this.
>
> 1988 Madison's marching technique was CLEAN! Their ensemble
> visual was near flawless. Everything seems to have come together at
the
> right moment for them, that is one truly great show.
Their horns were dirty for a champion. When I marched in Madison,
there were long time members who said that the 1988 horn line had
trouble tuning in the horn arc.
> Why can't it happen again? Why can't Madison have a show that
> appeals to both the judges and the crowd? 1988 did...in a BIG WAY.
That
> is one of my all-time favourite shows.
What a show.
> Did they do something different in 1988 (aside from going to
> Europe?)
Take a look at their staff for that year. Todd(?) Ryan wrote the
drill and taught the marching (before he became a fixture at Star).
> Did they go to critique?
Are you kidding? Of course they did. When I marched there this
decade, they went. It seems like they did not stop going to
critique until 1995 (when they were CLEARLY better than they were
in 1988)... I do not know if they go now or not.
> Did they practice more? Less?
> Anyone out there in RAMDland know?
The inside story at Madison was that the hornline "sounded"
better because of how well they marched. This has long been
the case in drum corps, the better it looks, the better
it sounds. The random ordering for finals and the secret
results made it more difficult for the judges to fall
back on what they knew from the results the day before.
Also, when Scott Stewart went to pull out the position,
the girl led him to a "better" number... did she know?
Needless-to-say, the corps went down in history for
a passionate show that won!
One more thing, BD got 6th in visual that night after
spending pre-championships undefeated.
Barry
> ++
> np
>
> http://otto.cmr.fsu.edu/~pilato_n
Nikk Pilato
> > cater to the crown, and *not* the judges...but this was one Madison
> show
> > that obviously did both.
> I totally disagree. This show did not cater to the judges at all.
> It was just a case of "do what you do well".
I knew you would... ;)
> Before that summer got under way, the Madison Scouts board
> of directors wanted to oust Scott Stewart for his "wimpy"
> approach to competition. Perhaps he was a tad bit more driven
> because of this.
Really? Did not know this...what a shame it would be for the
activity if he had been ousted.
> > 1988 Madison's marching technique was CLEAN! Their ensemble
> > visual was near flawless. Everything seems to have come together at
> the
> > right moment for them, that is one truly great show.
> Their horns were dirty for a champion. When I marched in Madison,
> there were long time members who said that the 1988 horn line had
> trouble tuning in the horn arc.
Man, Barry...I think it is safe to say you are the "Glass is
half-empty" type of guy, eh?
> > Did they do something different in 1988 (aside from going to
> > Europe?)
> Take a look at their staff for that year. Todd(?) Ryan wrote the
> drill and taught the marching (before he became a fixture at Star).
I hear he is with Devils now...is he writing their drill, or just
working as a marching tech?
> The inside story at Madison was that the hornline "sounded"
> better because of how well they marched. This has long been
> the case in drum corps, the better it looks, the better
> it sounds. The random ordering for finals and the secret
> results made it more difficult for the judges to fall
> back on what they knew from the results the day before.
> Also, when Scott Stewart went to pull out the position,
> the girl led him to a "better" number... did she know?
> Needless-to-say, the corps went down in history for
> a passionate show that won!
Sorry, Barry...this sounds like one of those drum corps urban
legends...it sounds too silly to be true.
> One more thing, BD got 6th in visual that night after
> spending pre-championships undefeated.
BD took 4th in Performance Visual.
They took 6th in GE Visual.
Shaun Owens
We did go to critique. However, as a staff were not really concerned with other corps' performances. The focus was on our show and not only gathering positive feedback from the judges, but also educating them to our philosophy and the subtleties of our show which were not being perceived. Madison has always presented shows which are easily accessible to the first time drum corps show viewer, while still maintaining a depth of content to satisfy the most seasoned of drum corps veteran.
Rehearsals on first tour in Europe were very focused and intense. However there was a great deal of free time. This was appreciated by staff and members. How often do you get to Europe? It would've be a shame if we were only able to see was a football field and several soccer stadiums. Free days in London, The Hague, Bad Munder, and Amsterdam were the experience of a lifetime!
The answer to several postings regarding the DCM Championships that year is an easy one. Jet lag had nothing to do with the 4th place finish. It rained just about every day in Europe. The average daily high was in the low 50's F. Not really great weather! When we returned home, we were confronted with the drought of the century and temps in the mid 90's F. It took several weeks to recover our lungs! This was a difficult obstacle to overcome.
As far as the drawing for finals appearance, it's on the video tape. You decide. At any rate, Scott didn't cheat or fix the drawing.
The bottom line for winning is this: Malaguena! The biggest crowd reaction of the night, every night was for the the reverse 360 spin to the high mark time push in the wedge. It was a instant standing O, every time! It is perhaps the best show ending of all time. I say that with my Scout blinders forever locked away. I am biased, but do my best to be objective.
Winning is nice, don't get me wrong. However, all the other great things that happened for us that year far overshadow nationals in my memory. The ring is just a piece of metal I hardly ever wear. The memories live with me forever.
Shaun Owens
http://www.shawk.com
Nikk Pilato wrote:
I've always been curious about how things came together for the
1988 Madison Scouts. I know that Scott Stewart's philosophy has been to
Nikk Pilato
"The ring is just a piece of metal I hardly ever wear. The memories live
with me forever."
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Shaun...this is perhaps the best thing I have *ever* seen posted
on this newsgroup in my almost five years here. Kudos to you for the
line, and for the memories you made for yourself.
Entropy65
work when they come in third - what about '95 Devils? 3rd behind Cavies &
Cadets at DCI Finals after an undefeated season (up to DCI week). Hmmm...
Knighter
Madison marched better than any Scouts corps since the mid 70's. There marchning
has always been there down fall but not that Saturday night in KC. They were
electric, both musically and visually. Better than SCV or BD in total package.
IMHO.
knighter
BOY1230 wrote:
> The only reason Madison Scouts won in 1988 is because of a stupid experimental
> drawing for finals. Blue Devils owned 1988 and to this day it still blows my
Brian Hartmann
Entropy65 wrote:
> Funny how the judging system works as long as your group wins but then doesn't
> work when they come in third - what about '95 Devils? 3rd behind Cavies &
> Cadets at DCI Finals after an undefeated season (up to DCI week). Hmmm...
>
Funny how the judging system doesn't seem to work when a corps goes mostly
undefeated, but then loses interest in their show during finals week. That is my
take on Devs in 95. Don't get me wrong, that show is one of my favs of the past
half-decade. Dark, Dark, DARK!!!! Between Quarters and Semis, I noticed a lot of
deflation in the intensity of performance, and Finals was less intense even more
so.
Brian
timoth...@my-deja.com
> It was such a treat at championships that summer in KC. Again, as I
> recall, Scouts was one of the few top-12 corps that marched the parade
> that year. They were playing their way cool arrangement of the Stars
> and Stripes Forever in the parade. Where I was standing, the crowd was
> within inches of the corps marching by; Scouts clearly were clearly
> enjoying themselves immensely performing in that parade.
>
> --phil
>
Madison Scouts and Sky Ryders were the only top 12 corps to participate
in the parade in 1988. Incidentally, both corps were at the top of the
request lists from show sponsors for tour scheduling during that
timeframe. The parade in 88 was great - great crowd turn out and
response, and it was SHORT!
--
Tim Kviz
Sky Ryders 85-88
Various Others 78-84
Daniel D. Reeves
loved Sky Ryders' 1988 show. The amount of energy both in
"These are a few of my favorite things" and the reprise at
the end of the show embody the intensity and energy that
only drum corps can generate. I think your drill designer
ran out of ideas at the end though--my friends and I (who
were in high school at the time), referred to your final
set as the "butt bandage" formation.
1988 had one of the strangest scoring systems seen in some
time. It was trashed the very next year. Here's how it
broke down:
GE - 55 points (20 brass, 15 perc, 20 visual)
brass perf - 15 points
perc perf - 15 points
visual perf - 15 points
Of all the judging systems in the history of DCI, none has
relied so heavily on GE. 55 points is a huge amount.
That being said, here's how the Scouts did:
GE brass: 1st
GE perc: 2nd (behind SCV)
GE visual: 2nd (behind SCV)
Total GE: 2nd (behind SCV)
brass perf: 3rd (behind BD and Garfield)
perc perf: 3rd - tied (behind SCV and Garfield, tied with
Cavies)
visual perf: 1st
Compared to BD and SCV, they were much more rounded score-
wise, with BD and SCV dropping under 4th in 2 and 3
captions, respectively.
My band director used a tape of Madison's show to
demonstrate proper marching technique to us. I've never
seen such sharp individual marching in my life. I still
think the Scouts got ripped off in 95, but I guess that's a
whole new thread.
Daniel D. Reeves
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Highhuny
behind the right field fence of the Royals baseball field. Madison's drumline
came by right in front of us and I could tell that something was up, AND that
they knew. I never bought that drawing system, because everyone knew what
their scores were. Anyway, as they marched by playing their cadence, the drum
staff and Scott Stewart were practically shooting their colletive wads like
trainers do when walking their boxers to the ring. I KNEW at that moment as
did our entire hornline that they were going to win that night. Madison had
the crowd in their back pocket that night, they performed the hell out of their
show and they won.
My personal opinion is that SCV should have won with BD in second, THEN Scouts.
I can't complain about them winning because that show kicked major ass.
My personal congrats to all that marched that year and survived the wicked heat
wave of the summer of 88.
Juan Jimenez
Highhuny
at DCI South in Birmingham when that hornline brought 40,000 people to
tears????? Were you there at finals when that hornline brought another 40,000
people to their feet way before the show ended, come on dude, listen to the
stuff!!!!!!
Juan
SkyRyder30
>loved Sky Ryders' 1988 show. The amount of energy both in
>"These are a few of my favorite things" and the reprise at
>the end of the show embody the intensity and energy that
>only drum corps can generate. I think your drill designer
>ran out of ideas at the end though--my friends and I (who
>were in high school at the time), referred to your final
>set as the "butt bandage" formation.
>
LOL - I know what you mean. They closer drill had to be rewritten by our
caption head, Frank Troyka. He did a great job too, but the closing set was a
bit of a problem.
The original ending was much better - better closing set and more movement, but
the 5 short female mellophones ( all 5'3") could not handle it - a couple of
them bit it and rolled over the front side line on more than one occasion. As
a result, the closing move was changed late in the season so that it was
marchable. The result - the butt bandage, as you so eloquently put it.
Funny thing is the horn line rehersed the change, but the drum line was never
told of the change. The first night we performed the new ending, it was a
disaster - the drum line was marching into the horn line. What a debacle!
DCI Chump
If you refer to 1988, SCV's hornline was lousy...for a top-3 corps. Intonation
problems, BAD ensemble and too many lapses in tone quality.
In Brass, looky here:
SCV: 14.1
Mad: 14.4
Garfield: 14.6
BD: 14.7 SCV lost by 0.2. 1st in GE; 1st in Perc (overall). THAT is
why Madison won. (or why SCV lost)...
Cheers, thanks a lot.
B. Paul Bailey
it was the weakest section of the corps that year. They were very young.
paul bailey
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Steve Sorrell
>I can't believe that you would say that about SCV's hornline. Were you there
>at DCI South in Birmingham when that hornline brought 40,000 people to
>tears????? Were you there at finals when that hornline brought another 40,000
>people to their feet way before the show ended, come on dude, listen to the
>stuff!!!!!!
>Juan
We have NEVER had 40,000 at DCI South! Only finals have gotten that kind of
crowd.
Steve
Brian Hartmann
> I still
> think the Scouts got ripped off in 95, but I guess that's a
> whole new thread.
>
Well then, I'll start the new thread.
I, for one, don't feel that Madison got ripped off in 95. I think that they were
placed very well. The visual show, even though if was good for a 90's Madison drill,
was not executed as well as it could have been.
I think that 95 Scouts is the most exciting and best conceived and written
show...ever. It replaced 86 Devils in my mind, which had held that spot for a good
while. The thing about 95 was that it just kind of happened. To prove my point, look
at 96 Scouts. It appears as though the 96 staff tried to create a show better than
one that had just happened the year before. The staff felt driven to top perfection,
and ended up shooting themselves in the foot
(Bolero on the field!?!?!?!?! WHY!?!?!?!?!?!) I just about gagged when I hear that
they had fallen into that trap.
95 was an anomaly. Everything came together just right without too much hype.
Brian
Highhuny
judges. I know what the score was, that does not mean that they were a bad
hornline.
JJ
bny...@my-deja.com
Nikk Pilato <pila...@cmr.fsu.edu> wrote:
> The Force is strong with you, young bny...@my-deja.com, but you are
not a Jedi yet:
> > to
> > > cater to the crown, and *not* the judges...but this was one
Madison
> > show
> > > that obviously did both.
>
> > It was just a case of "do what you do well".
>
> I knew you would... ;)
Cheap shot in jest? I can live with this. ;]
> > Before that summer got under way, the Madison Scouts board
> > of directors wanted to oust Scott Stewart for his "wimpy"
> > approach to competition. Perhaps he was a tad bit more driven
> > because of this.
>
> Really? Did not know this...what a shame it would be for the
> activity if he had been ousted.
I agree, but that is scoop I got when I marched there.
> > > 1988 Madison's marching technique was CLEAN! Their ensemble
> > > visual was near flawless. Everything seems to have come together
at
> > the
> > > right moment for them, that is one truly great show.
>
> > Their horns were dirty for a champion. When I marched in Madison,
> > there were long time members who said that the 1988 horn line had
> > trouble tuning in the horn arc.
>
> Man, Barry...I think it is safe to say you are the "Glass is
> half-empty" type of guy, eh?
Maybe when it comes to drum corps. So, IYHO, would I see the "Glassmen
as half-empty"? ;]
Anyway, I am just repeating what 1988 horn staff members were telling
me when I marched there. One guy, Clay W.(sp?) used it as an example
all summer long.
> > > Did they do something different in 1988 (aside from going to
> > > Europe?)
>
> > Take a look at their staff for that year. Todd(?) Ryan wrote the
> > drill and taught the marching (before he became a fixture at Star).
>
> I hear he is with Devils now...is he writing their drill, or
just
> working as a marching tech?
I would assume that he is one of those "shot in the arm" visual
staffers... a super-tech who can take the visual work up a notch.
> > The inside story at Madison was that the hornline "sounded"
> > better because of how well they marched. This has long been
> > the case in drum corps, the better it looks, the better
> > it sounds. The random ordering for finals and the secret
> > results made it more difficult for the judges to fall
> > back on what they knew from the results the day before.
> > Also, when Scott Stewart went to pull out the position,
> > the girl led him to a "better" number... did she know?
> > Needless-to-say, the corps went down in history for
> > a passionate show that won!
>
> Sorry, Barry...this sounds like one of those drum corps urban
> legends...it sounds too silly to be true.
I have always agreed with your "urban legend" thought, but supposedly
the 1988 tape has Scott Stewart has the guy drawing an 11 or something.
Needless-to-say, I can see him asking the girl to help him pick...
one thing you did not understand about my statement was that she
guided him... I did not indicate that she knew the number, but
I can see where you inferred that.
> > One more thing, BD got 6th in visual that night after
> > spending pre-championships undefeated.
>
> BD took 4th in Performance Visual.
> They took 6th in GE Visual.
Okay. I stand semi-corrected. BD's 1988 visual program
may have been what kept them from winning... that was my point.
Barry
> ++
> np
>
> http://otto.cmr.fsu.edu/~pilato_n
>
Nikk Pilato
>> > I totally disagree. This show did not cater to the judges at all.
>> > It was just a case of "do what you do well".
>>
>> I knew you would... ;)
>
>Cheap shot in jest? I can live with this. ;]
Well, you know that you and I have history (especially the old 1992
Phantom posts), but we have never been unfriendly towards each other. I
hope you always remember that when we post to each other. ;)
>> Man, Barry...I think it is safe to say you are the "Glass is
>> half-empty" type of guy, eh?
>
>Maybe when it comes to drum corps. So, IYHO, would I see the "Glassmen
>as half-empty"? ;]
coke.spew.monitor
You owe me a new keyboard as well. :)
>> Sorry, Barry...this sounds like one of those drum corps urban
>> legends...it sounds too silly to be true.
>
>I have always agreed with your "urban legend" thought, but supposedly
>the 1988 tape has Scott Stewart has the guy drawing an 11 or something.
>Needless-to-say, I can see him asking the girl to help him pick...
>one thing you did not understand about my statement was that she
>guided him... I did not indicate that she knew the number, but
>I can see where you inferred that.
Oh, I see. Still, when something like this gets brandied about, there
are always people who will say "Where's there's smoke, there's fire."
>> BD took 4th in Performance Visual.
>> They took 6th in GE Visual.
>
>Okay. I stand semi-corrected. BD's 1988 visual program
>may have been what kept them from winning... that was my point.
Yup, sure enough. I think that was a great show, but may just have
peaked early...happens to some corps all the time! ;)
++
np
EuphScott
>hard time.
I was a band geek, but they said it and in their eyes you knew they meant it.
We asked well who will finish second. They said BD and SCV woul be the ones to
fight off, but they would win.
They were instantly my heros and when they proved prophetic I cheered as loud
as I have ever cheered.
Scott
CPeajay
more than SCV 89. >>
I have to agree with ya there!
Although I enjoyed Madison's show, and the last 45 seconds of the show was the
most exciting ending I've ever seen, the 88 SCV "Phantom of the Opera" left me
breathless and in tears. That was a performance every performer dreams of --
FULL OUT!!! Everyone sitting around me felt the same way. When the final
places were announced someone behind me said, "the best corps didn't win
tonight!"
Oh well ... such is competition.
Figaro867
Pull out your DCI 1988 Video tape, fast forward to the finale, listen to the
top 5 placements, and then listen to the crowds reaction when Garfield was
announced in 4th, Devils in 3rd, and especially when SCV was announced in
2nd---yes the crowd cheers got louder and louder as Madison was not yet
announched, and when SCV was announced they went frantic. I would say that the
other 38,980 fans in the stadium perhaps disagreed with the 20 sitting by you!
Also- look at the caption breakdowns...
*Madison over SCV in brass - yes! - madison did have the better horn line
*Madison over SCV in visual- yes! -clean, clean, clean marching machines.
*SCV over Madison in percussion- yes! we all know scv has great percussion
lines.
*SCV over Madison in general affect- possibly? i don't know what determines
high g.e. if they went by crowd reaction, which they don't, i would say
madison should have won.
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DCI Chump
>
>*Madison over SCV in visual- yes! -clean, clean, clean marching machines.
>
>*SCV over Madison in percussion- yes! we all know scv has great percussion
>lines.
>
>*SCV over Madison in general affect- possibly? i don't know what determines
>high g.e. if they went by crowd reaction, which they don't, i would say
>madison should have won.
>
Not overtly "loving" that SCV outing, I have to admit that the repertoire and
showmanship were OUTSTANDING in Finals. Madison had it all in semi's...SCV came
out of nowhere in finals! The SCV hornline was choppy, not tuned well and
lacked some ensemble 'punch'... in both brass captions (GE/Perf), Madison was
0.6 ahead...there's the math, and thusly, the throne.
Cheers, thanks a lot.
MiyagiDUI
happened...what are u gonna do about it? So what if someone u thought should've
won didnt? thats life, deal with it. My opinion: get over it, think about who
should win this year, not 11 years ago
DCI Chump
>should win this year, not 11 years ago
In the same vein, we cannot control what will happen on August 14th...I cannot
wait to hear the bitching:)
Cheers, thanks a lot.