The imaginary world of Catherine Burr comes to an end
YarnGidget
After seeing how Catherine Burr is unable to provide any proof whatsoever to
back up a single one of her many, many conspiracy theories and accusations,
it's become painfully obvious that she is nothing more than a huge liar. The
RAMD community is finallly getting sick of "Miss Conspiracy" constantly bashing
drum corps with a steady stream of lies and delusions. Regardless of what she
boasts, most people on this newsgroup find drum corps a positive activity that
bears little to no resemblance to the negative, hateful drum corps world
Catherine Burr describes. Reality is finally slapping Catherine Burr firmly
across the face.
Catherine Burr's time is up. She's now lost all respect from the majority of
RAMD readers. Her constant accusations are now meaningless now that we all see
she is unable to back up a single attack with facts.
In short, Catherine is now recognized for the incredible liar that she is. A
liar who is so mentally ill she's convinced herself she's not lying. A liar
that's dug herself in so deep, she has no idea what's true or false. A liar
who's big 'claim to fame' is that she spreads more negativity about drum corps
than any other person on the planet. What an accomplishment.
Time for Catherine Burr to get medical attention. Time for Catherine Burr to go
to the funny farm and leave drum corps alone. Time for those of us that enjoy
drum corps to be able to enjoy our activity without this psycho poisoning our
discussions with a never-ending flood of delusions and lies.
Catherine Burr, don't even bother responding to this memo. We all know what
you'll say and we're sick of it. Your bluff has been called. Your sick,
negative campaign on this newsgroup is quickly coming to an end because we all
see you for exactly what you are. A liar.
No one believes you. No one supports you. Poor you. Now go to the doctor and
start 'REBUILDING' your own pathetic existence.
- Susan
"Unable to face the dismal failure that she is, the narcissist partially
withdraws from reality. To soothe and salve the pain of disillusionment, she
administers to her aching soul a mixture of lies, distortions, half-truths and
outlandish interpretations of events around her.
THE PARANOID AGGRESSIVE
The narcissist who develops persecutory delusions resorts to an aggressive
stance, a more violent resolution of their internal conflict. They become
verbally, psychologically, situationally (and, very rarely, physically)
abusive. They insult, castigate, chastise, berate, demean, and deride their
nearest and dearest (often well wishers and loved ones). They explode in
unprovoked displays of indignation, righteousness, condemnation, and blame.
Theirs is an exegetic Bedlam. They interpret everything - even the most
innocuous, inadvertent, and innocent - as designed to provoke and humiliate
them. They sow fear, revulsion, hate, and malignant envy. They flail against
the windmills of reality - a pathetic, forlorn, sight. But often they cause
real and lasting damage - fortunately, mainly to themselves."
Paraphrased from "The Delusional Way Out" at
http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/6514/87772
Catherine
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<snip>
"Susan" --
The "I'M INVINCEABLE" thang was already done, and much better, in the Holy Grail.
-- Catherine
YarnGidget
>
>The "I'M INVINCEABLE" thang was already done, and much better, in the Holy
Grail.
>
>-- Catherine
Catherine Burr,
All you have to do is prove you aren't lying. What's wrong? Can't be done?
That should be a big clue to your mixed up little brain that you have a very,
very serious problem.
By not addressing the issues in my message and discussing something completely
unrelated, you've proven my point again. You need medical treatment in a very
big way.
Sorry if your little party is over now that we all know you for the liar that
you are. If you really care about drum corps, get to a doctor immediately and
let the drum corps world exist without your constant delusions and lies. We'll
all be happier for it (including you).
JJAYBOYD
can I be like you if I ever grow up?
I love the fact that Catherine can in NO way answer any of your direct
questions.. Its HYSTERICAL to watch this pathetic excuse of a person IGNORE
your requests... And I am SURE if she WERE to address it, she would say that
somewhere in her THOUSANDS of posts where she drones ON AND ON that the
'answers' we seek are in there.
Catherine... go away... find another activity to 'rebuild'.
Better yet.. start by rebuilding YOU. Maybe you'd come back as a person some
of us might actually like? not likely.. but anything is possible...
jason
Shadow_7
>
Here's a thought. Why doesn't someone(s) rebuild the activity so Catherine
might have an opportunity to find other interests. Seems like a win, win
scenario to me.
S7
Dr. Trumpet
wrote:
Shadow,
You should know, no matter how it's "rebuilt", Cathy will be there to bitch
about it, lie about it, slander it's rebuilders, and make veiled death threats
to them as well as their families.
She can't be contained, so stopping is the only possible solution. I suggest
you start with forwarding some of the death threats to her ISP......they have a
tendency to look down upon this kind of communication.
Mine did... :-)
AL
Catherine
Problem is, certain arrogant people have been having their way with things for more
than 30 years now - it's the "mature behavior that goes on all the time" <$1 to Bob
Doran> doncha know? As Jeremy Stafford admits, those "in the know" know what goes
on. I just heard another story of score fixing - this one from 1972, the first year
of DCI. That means this nonsense was in place at the onset of DCI, and therefore
goes back even further as the arrangements appear to have been made when the corps in
question was planning its following year's tour.
Now, George Dixon wants "proof". The proof is with those people who were there. I'd
really love to see George argue with my source on this. It would be a rather comical
picture.
I will continue to post on RAMD exactly what we all have always spoken of in person.
George Dixon has no more voice on RAMD than I do - and admittedly, no less -- other
than what I grant him. But I am getting a kick out of seeing him harp on this more
than I do on any other topic, and "attack" someone with his implications of falsity
more than I have ever gone out of my way for anyone.
But, that's just my opinion in my "imaginary" world. According to Bishop Berkeley in
his elegant but intuitively faulty philosophical epistemological worldview, we all
have our imaginary worlds. I have my sense impressions and values to believe what I
do, and George Dixon has his sense impressions and values that he (appears to)
believe what he does. Mr. Dixon prefers that his sense impressions not include the
mirror I hold up. I can certainly understand that. And given all those sense
impressions from people I speak with, I don't feel that Mr. Dixon's "drumcorpsplanet"
is a very inclusive one of all the drum corps people out there in favor of the band
people out there and what they have always wanted for OUR activity.
Time will continue to tell.
Lots of actual participating in corps/band shows this weekend... and more sense
impressions to be gained.
-- Catherine
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george
"Catherine" <cather...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> on. I just heard another story of score fixing - this one from 1972, the first year
> of DCI. That means ...
Absolutely nothing... since you have no proof. We are just supposed to believe what you "hear" from
your nameless source.
>this nonsense was in place at the onset of DCI, and therefore
> goes back even further as the arrangements appear to have been made when the corps in
> question was planning its following year's tour.
>
> Now, George Dixon wants "proof". The proof is with those people who were there. I'd
> really love to see George argue with my source on this. It would be a rather comical
> picture.
Uh huh. What is your 'source" Catherine? For all we now, it is your imagination. State your
source and what their proof is. Or stop it.
> I will continue to post on RAMD exactly what we all have always spoken of in person.
Uh huh. And not offering ANY proof of your various allegations and theories. Your credibility is
dropping though the floor, IMO, due to NO PROOF.
> George Dixon has no more voice on RAMD than I do - and admittedly, no less -- other
> than what I grant him. But I am getting a kick out of seeing him harp on this more
> than I do on any other topic, and "attack" someone with his implications of falsity
> more than I have ever gone out of my way for anyone.
No one is attacking you. I am asking for a simple thing - PROOF of your allegations Catherine. You
and I probably agree on many things about this activity, BUT I most certainly do NOT agree with your
habit of throwing allegations and slanders out on the internet with NO PROOF.
> But, that's just my opinion in my "imaginary" world.
Uh huh. Don't state your "opinions" as facts. Above you stated alleged score fixing, saying you
had a source. Yet you offer no proof. You specifically reference NO source.
That isn't stating an opinion, that throwing an allegation out on the internet without a willingness
(or ability ??) to back it up with PROOF.
>According to Bishop Berkeley in
> his elegant but intuitively faulty philosophical epistemological worldview, we all
> have our imaginary worlds.
So are these allegations of yours true or imaginary? What are you getting at here Catherine???
>I have my sense impressions and values to believe what I
> do, and George Dixon has his sense impressions and values that he (appears to)
> believe what he does. Mr. Dixon prefers that his sense impressions not include the
> mirror I hold up. I can certainly understand that. And given all those sense
> impressions from people I speak with, I don't feel that Mr. Dixon's "drumcorpsplanet"
> is a very inclusive one of all the drum corps people out there in favor of the band
> people out there and what they have always wanted for OUR activity.
Um, wrong. My proof? Go to dcp and read any of the various members stating there opinions in an
open and uncensored manner all over the site which don't fit into what you term the "band" view of
drum corps.
Here's one example:
(snip) dcp member writes "Great news! I hate that all the corps are going to Bb! No sound like a G
corps in the world. It's about as close to heaven as you can get! " source:
http://www.drumcorpsplanet.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=3&t=3472
Thousands of other anti "band approach" posts on dcp. No bashing, just respectful agreements and
disagreements. So - that's PROOF that you are wrong regarding this.
Where's your proof Catherine?
> Lots of actual participating in corps/band shows this weekend... and more sense
> impressions to be gained.
Uh huh. Perhaps your "impressions" will be stated as fact. OR - maybe you'll...
Start offering some proof of your allegations.
George
JJAYBOYD
the know'..
catherine LOVES to stir the shit and sound as if she is important..
Catherine.. all you are is a grown up high school 'nerd' who just needs to feel
needed and heard...
When will you realize that your opinions and views are driven more by your
insecurity and needs than by fact.
go away
Jason
Catherine
BTW, you can fantasize about me all you wish, of course - and likely will continue to
do so. But Harvey and Dave say they don't remember me from the 70's. Do you suppose
they might remember me if I were criticizing them like I am now (personally, I still
think Harvey remembers me just a little bit, given Vince Lamb's assertions of perfect
recall of things I never said)? You might also want to actually ask people not on
EVERYONE's list - you know, the ones whom you are pretending don't exist who post to
RAMD who knew me then - why they think I was motivated to grow along these lines into
the critic that I am today...
Of course, you - being the musical activity expert - have no clue about politics in
the activity <hee, hee!!>.
I would say that my ISP probably already has a file of attempts of submitting these
things. I dare say that objective sources don't have the same view of such things as
you do. I'm sure they are as much aware of political attacks on innocent people as I
am. And, Dr. EVERYONE, I'm also quite sure that you aren't so very confident of you
"innocence" in an objective situation as you like to pretend you are. Further, most
RAMD lurkers I speak with also see it pretty clearly too.
-- Catherine
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Dr. Trumpet
"Catherine" <cather...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Cathy,
Since the circumspect nature of your writing makes all but the first paragraph
of this rant something that makes sense only in your mind, I'll have to let it
go.
Frankly, I can't think like a deluded, bitter, 50 something woman who has
nothing better to do than to tear down the activity she has no place in today.
I can't think like someone who has told so many lies and half-truths that they
can't separate fact from fiction.
And, frankly, I don't care to try.
I'll put my credentials against yours any day Cath, and what's more, I'd be
happy to meet with you to discuss it personally. But, we all know you hate
corps so much now that you sit at home on Friday nights, alone and bitter,
watching tapes of your glory days some 30 years ago, believing somehow that
Camelot of the drum corps world existed only when you were a member.
If only you would stay in that world and not foist it on the rest of us.....
AL
Catherine
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> And the allegations without proof continue:
>
> "Catherine" <cather...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:RWXX8.18740$A43.1...@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
> > on. I just heard another story of score fixing - this one from 1972, the first
year
> > of DCI. That means ...
>
> Absolutely nothing... since you have no proof. We are just supposed to believe
what you "hear" from
> your nameless source.
Problem (for you) is, George, more and more people are getting to know me - and those
who attack me. Isn't that wonderful? All some people have to do is read
drumcorpsplanet and post a little bit there, and quite a few come to their own
conclusions. When I think about the lurkers in this activity - those who have been
around - those with nothing to hide have any problem with what I say. They are more
interested in the people like you who come after me. You really ought to get out
more...
And all the new people will also see what goes on in our "welcoming, inclusive drum
corps activity" - and see very quickly when they ask questions who the apologists
are, and who is telling them the truth and how to deal with it.
And that's why you're so concerned about silencing the critics and all "being
positive" - according to your interpretations of that phrase. There's also plenty of
proof - but it's in people's own experiences, and not in what they are being told to
think on RAMD. I invite people to find out for themselves, to ask everyone (and not
merely EVERYONE) they come into contact with.
Again, if you would like to foot the costs for court depositions and travel expenses,
I would be most happy to help contribute to the establishment of official records and
documentation of these things. Until then, word-of-mouth will have to suffice, ya
know, people who know people whom they trust and know aren't involved in certain
not-nice things.
It's why you and others are working so very hard at attempting to damage my words and
my interest in this activity. Sorry, George. Already, too many people know me; too
many of us know what's going on and what's been going on. The same internet which
provides you the means for disinformation provides us an additional means to
network - despite the virus attacks and all the other nonsense. We were, are and
will be in this for the long haul.
Of course, if you aren't involved in anything unethical, you and yours have nothing
to worry about - do you? Frankly, this sort of thing are not the actions of a man
with a free conscience dedicated to ensuring that all is well. Such people help the
critics - because they wish to ensure that all is well. Obviously, with recent
events in this activity and with other events elsewhere, things aren't all well - and
RAMD is but one bit of evidence of that, the controversies being the "proof" that you
keep demanding.
Most people know enough decent and excellent people - many who are educators - who
take positive action to tell the difference between what they do and what you're
doing, George. Perhaps you really don't understand the difference. If not, I feel
sorry for you that you haven't learned better in your lifetime.
-- Catherine
george
> Problem (for you) is, George, more and more people are getting to know me - and those
> who attack me. Isn't that wonderful? All some people have to do is read
> drumcorpsplanet and post a little bit there, and quite a few come to their own
> conclusions.
Proof Catherine? Or is the reader just supposed to believe this without any proof?
DCP site volume is growing at a consistent +40% per month - something that would NOT be occuring if
a majority of people felt as you've described.
The FACT is that the vast majority feel otherwise and that you are wrong:
Proof: Current site statistics:
Our members have made a total of 58718 posts
We have 1909 registered members
The newest member is secarizona
Most users ever online was 104 on Jul 8 2002, 03:45 PM
>When I think about the lurkers in this activity - those who have been
> around - those with nothing to hide have any problem with what I say. They are more
> interested in the people like you who come after me. You really ought to get out
> more...
Uh huh. Your proof of any of this?
> And all the new people will also see what goes on in our "welcoming, inclusive drum
> corps activity" - and see very quickly when they ask questions who the apologists
> are, and who is telling them the truth and how to deal with it.
Uh huh. Where's you proof?
> And that's why you're so concerned about silencing the critics and all "being
> positive" - according to your interpretations of that phrase. There's also plenty of
> proof - but it's in people's own experiences, and not in what they are being told to
> think on RAMD. I invite people to find out for themselves, to ask everyone (and not
> merely EVERYONE) they come into contact with.
No Catherine. I welcome feedback on dcp.
My proof:
feed...@drumcorpsplanet.com
Feedback email address posted many times on the site and on the internet in general. Feedback is
posted to our administrative forum for discussion by management team.
More proof:
Our recent Community Chat on 6/24:
Chat log posted for even further feedback:
source: http://www.drumcorpsplanet.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=18&t=2677
Even more proof:
snip from recent thread on dcp: "George and I communicated via e-mail regarding my concerns about
the editing policy and my leaving DCP.
He was receptive and respectful of my views and opinions, and told me that there would be some
changes made in these policies.
I assured George that I realized the need for some sort of moderation on the forum, and that I'm
well aware that I "push the envelope" from time to time. I can't help being me! I'm not promising
that I will necessarily "behave myself", but I believe that the editing guidelines that George
described to me, which I'm sure he'll post at some point if he hasn't already done so, will prove to
be very fair to any and all parties that may be involved in a future situation. Thanks for reaching
out, George. I'm glad we could work this out."
source: http://www.drumcorpsplanet.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=21&t=3278
See, I am getting very tired of you making these unsupported claims of yours, especially so when I
am able to dispute with PROOF. You need to stop it.
> Again, if you would like to foot the costs for court depositions and travel expenses,
> I would be most happy to help contribute to the establishment of official records and
> documentation of these things. Until then, word-of-mouth will have to suffice, ya
> know, people who know people whom they trust and know aren't involved in certain
> not-nice things.
Uh huh. Foot your own bills Catherine. If you have no proof, you shouldn't be stating stuff on the
internet as fact.
> It's why you and others are working so very hard at attempting to damage my words and
> my interest in this activity. Sorry, George. Already, too many people know me; too
Here you are speaking of my motives / intentions. How do you arrive at these conclusions about me
Catherine? What are they based on?
Any evidence or informations leading you to these leaps of logic, vague generalizations and
characterizations?? Or are you just guessing at all this?
Where's your PROOF?
> many of us know what's going on and what's been going on. The same internet which
> provides you the means for disinformation provides us an additional means to
> network - despite the virus attacks and all the other nonsense. We were, are and
> will be in this for the long haul.
Here you accuse me of "disinformation". Where is your proof of my dissemenation of
"disinformation." Site an example Catherine!!!
You have no PROOF. You are slandering myself (and others) and you have NO PROOF. It needs to stop.
> Of course, if you aren't involved in anything unethical, you and yours have nothing
> to worry about - do you?
I am most certainly NOT involved in anything unethical - but I have my reputation to "worry about"
which you continue to smear and question.
Where is your proof? You have none. There is nothing "unethical" going on Catherine and it is
immoral and perhaps illegal (but most certainly misleading) for you to suggest otherwise -
especially considering you have NO PROOF.
>Frankly, this sort of thing are not the actions of a man
> with a free conscience dedicated to ensuring that all is well.
Uh huh.
>Such people help the
> critics - because they wish to ensure that all is well.
I provide a free forum for ANYONE to state their opinion.
Here's my proof: YOU ARE INVITED to go to dcp right now and post your opinions and theories
regarding the activity == as long as you don't slander and harass people like you do here on RAMD.
So? (silence on Catherine's part)
>Obviously, with recent
> events in this activity and with other events elsewhere, things aren't all well - and
> RAMD is but one bit of evidence of that, the controversies being the "proof" that you
> keep demanding.
Uh huh.
The proof I'm demanding is proof of ANY of your various allegations. ****AND proof that the
seemingly threatening quote (apparently from an email of your's containing references to dead
people) was taken out of context.****
> Most people know enough decent and excellent people - many who are educators - who
> take positive action to tell the difference between what they do and what you're
> doing, George. Perhaps you really don't understand the difference. If not, I feel
> sorry for you that you haven't learned better in your lifetime.
Uh huh.
And what am I doing that is wrong, Catherine? You make these vague references to some kind of
immoral activity on my part, which is most certainly NOT the case, and you offer NO PROOF. That is
wrong, and it needs to STOP.
If you worked for a traditional media outlet, such as a newspaper or magazine - there would be a
code of ethics in place - you would need to be able to quote sources, reference evidence. But
because this is Usenet, you can crawl onto forum and post your crap.
Without ANY proof. I for one intend to continue to question you on your apparent & complete lack of
evidence.
Imagination & "word-of-mouth" does NOT equal proof. Your actions are extremely irresponsible.
It needs to stop. Put up your proof, or shut up.
George
JJAYBOYD
>and those
>who attack me. Isn't that wonderful?
yes.. cause more and more people are realizing what a state of dementia you
live in Cathy...
>All some people have to do is read
>drumcorpsplanet and post a little bit there, and quite a few come to their
>own
>conclusions.
translation: I, myself, have forgotten how many times I have slandered myslef,
turned direction and been a hypopotamus.. sorry.. hypocrite...
> You really ought to get out
>more...
Catherine said this? LOL For someone in your position loon, you shouldn't toss
those cyber stones in your glass house toots.
>and see very quickly when they ask questions who the apologists
>are, and who is telling them the truth and how to deal with it.
Oh. so you ragging on anyone with an opinion other than yours is the way to
deal with new people? How does name dropping like you do help new people who
have NO clue about who youre talking about? You sanctimonious self absorbed
psycho.???
>There's also plenty of
>proof - but it's in people's own experiences, and not in what they are being
>told to
>think on RAMD.
gee.. again.. sounds hypocritical coming from someone who regails fantasy
stories about the old days in order to 'rebuild'.. LOL
>I invite people to find out for themselves, to ask everyone (and not
>merely EVERYONE) they come into contact with.
again traslated: I dont want to face what I have written cause Ill see flat
out what a hypocrite and loon I am.
>Again, if you would like to foot the costs for court depositions and travel
>expenses,
>I would be most happy to help contribute to the establishment of official
>records and
>documentation of these things.
translated: I lost the court battle with my liscense and would love to have
any kind of means of transportation ....
>It's why you and others are working so very hard at attempting to damage my
>words and
>my interest in this activity.
nah Cathy.. you do a much better job than we do... we merely sit here and laugh
about it and point out the obvious to each other ... no one could make you look
any more stupid than you do.
>Of course, if you aren't involved in anything unethical, you and yours have
>nothing
>to worry about - do you?
sounds like a veiled threat of some kind... LOLOL Cathy is into witchcraft or
something... can't hold a job, but she can cast a spell.
i cant even read the rest.. just Catherine babble bullshit..
YarnGidget
> Problem is, certain arrogant people have been having their way with things
for
> more than 30 years now -
Yet another accusation with zero supporting facts. A lie.
> it's the "mature behavior that goes on all the time"
> <$1 to Bob Doran> doncha know?
What in the hell are you talking about? The "Imaginary World" reference that
begun this thread is about the imaginary facts behind your ongoing accusations
and attacks. You know... the lies you spew into this newsgroup every day.
> As Jeremy Stafford admits, those "in the know"
> know what goes on.
And we're supposed to assume that you are 'in the know' Miss Delusional? Sorry.
Odds are this is another lie.
> I just heard another story of score fixing - this one from
> 1972, the first year of DCI.
And this unproven accusation has what to do with you? It's amazing the number
of topics you can reel into your imaginary world.
> That means this nonsense was in place at the onset of DCI, and therefore goes
> back even further as the arrangements appear to have been made when the corps
> in question was planning its following year's tour.
A perfect example of your lies. You've made a very serious accusation. But, as
always, you offer absolutely no proof whatsoever. I call bullshit on your
bullshit. You are lying again. What corps? What years? What people? Facts.
Offer proof or shut up.
> Now, George Dixon wants "proof". The proof is with those people who were
> there. I'd really love to see George argue with my source on this. It would
> be a rather comical picture.
George Dixon is not the only one that wants proof. Pretty much anyone that
reads RAMD probably wants less lies on this newsgroup. That means known liars
such as yourself must provide facts to support your attacks. As always, you
have not.
And if seeing Mr. Dixon argue with your "source" would be such a slam-dunk, why
do you refuse to let it happen? Why don't you provide the facts to back up your
accusation? Oh, that's right. You are lying.
> I will continue to post on RAMD exactly what we all have always spoken of in
> person.
So you, the most negative person in all of drum corps, will continue to post on
RAMD what WE have always spoken of? Who is 'we'? Certainly not me or the vast
majority of people involved with drum corps that you don't talk to. And how can
you know what's "always" spoken of in person? Are you always there? Didn't
think so.
You see, your entire sentence is nothing but bullshit. More lies to try and
hide the fact you have no proof whatsoever to back up your accusations. Big
bold wordy sentence with zero meaning. I can hardly wait for the book.
> George Dixon has no more voice on RAMD than I do - and admittedly, no
> less -- other than what I grant him.
How much "voice" someone has on a newsgroup is a meaningless argument and you
know it. More big wordy bullshit that means nothing.
> But I am getting a kick out of seeing him harp on this more than I do on any
> other topic,
You just don't get it. "This" is at the heart of your attacks and accusations.
You've been found out. Gigs up. You're busted. You are lying and we all know
it.
All you have to do is prove one thing. Anything. You can't. In other words, you
are making this stuff up and don't even realize it (which I honestly think is a
severe mental problem... see sig).
> and "attack" someone with his implications of falsity more than I
> have ever gone out of my way for anyone.
BWAAAHAAAAA! Now that's funny. How many times have you attacked Wayne Downey?
Or the Colonel? Or George Hopkins? Or Ed Bergles? Or Jeff Ream? Or Stef K?
(the list goes on and on and on....)
> But, that's just my opinion in my "imaginary" world.
Now there's a 'Quote of the Week'.
> According to Bishop Berkeley in his elegant but intuitively faulty
> philosophical epistemological worldview, we all have our imaginary worlds.
Perhaps. But everyone but you seems to avoid accusing people of evil things
based on "imaginary worlds".
> I have my sense impressions and values to believe what I do, and George Dixon
> has his sense impressions and values that he (appears to) believe what he
> does.
BWAAAHAAAA! Sense impressions? How very pompous of you Miss Wordy.
> Mr. Dixon prefers that his sense impressions not include the mirror I hold
up.
> I can certainly understand that.
WTF are you talking about? This issue here is your lack of facts to back up
any of your many accusations and attacks. Try to focus. Mr. Dixon is not the
issue. You are.
> And given all those sense impressions from people I speak
> with, I don't feel that Mr. Dixon's "drumcorpsplanet" is a very inclusive one
> of all the drum corps people out there in favor of the band people out there
> and what they have always wanted for OUR activity.
Again, DrumCorpsPlanet is not the issue. You are. Changing the subject doesn't
make you any less of a liar.
> Time will continue to tell.
It certainly will Miss Cleo <$1 to Ellen>, it certainly will.
> Lots of actual participating in corps/band shows this weekend... and more
> sense impressions to be gained.
Oh goodie. We get to hear all about what you, the most negative person in all
of drum corps, thinks happened at the show. Skip it. Broken record. We all know
exactly what your "imaginary world" will report.
Argsth
Dave
> See my other post, Dr. Bando.
>
> BTW, you can fantasize about me all you wish, of course - and likely will
continue to
> do so. But Harvey and Dave say they don't remember me from the 70's. Do
you suppose
> they might remember me if I were criticizing them like I am now
(personally, I still
> think Harvey remembers me just a little bit, given Vince Lamb's assertions
of perfect
> recall of things I never said)? You might also want to actually ask
people not on
> EVERYONE's list - you know, the ones whom you are pretending don't exist
who post to
> RAMD who knew me then - why they think I was motivated to grow along these
lines into
> the critic that I am today...
>
Boy, I tried so hard to say out of this thread, but I guess Catherine just
can't live without me now. I think she is developing a crush on me. :-/
But is that a good thing or a bad? :-0 But darling, I have never met you
in person before, have I? I do remember watching the corps you were in, the
Diplomats, from a distance. Is that the same as having intimate knowledge
you? Harvey did tell me one story about you, but since I thought you might
find it a little embarassing, I did not relay it out of respect. If you
want me to repeat it here, for all to read, just give me the word and I'll
post it. Does Vince Lamb know Harvey and has he interviewed Harvey about
you? Please verify this, I have no personal knowledge of this one.
Dave Schaafsma
Shadow_7
>
> You should know, no matter how it's "rebuilt", Cathy will be
> there to bitch about it, lie about it, slander it's rebuilders, and
> make veiled death threats to them as well as their families.
>
> She can't be contained, so stopping is the only possible
> solution. I suggest you start with forwarding some of the
> death threats to her ISP......they have a tendency to look
> down upon this kind of communication.
>
> Mine did... :-)
>
> AL
?death threats?
(is that what kill filed means)
I may have missed some posts because of volume here lately. And I don't
always read posts that exceed a few paragraphs unless they offer some sort
of insight or educational points to ponder.
I'm not interested in stopping catherine. I'm interested in rebuilding the
activity to it's former glory. Once this has been done the complaints
should lesson. And the focus should shift from where did all the corps go
to something about drum corps.
Shadow_7
Jeffsjetta
it.
so who fixed scores and who did it affect?
>Subject: The imaginary world of Catherine Burr continues
>From: "Catherine" cather...@yahoo.com
>Date: 7/13/2002 11:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <RWXX8.18740$A43.1...@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>
Jeffsjetta
Catherine, you have been called out in the court of public access....show
proof. In a real courtroom, your hearsay, allegations and lack of proof would
probably get you laughed out of the room.
>Subject: Re: The imaginary world of Catherine Burr continues to fall
>From: yarng...@aol.com (YarnGidget)
>Date: 7/13/2002 4:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <20020713163318...@mb-fc.aol.com>
Dr. Trumpet
"Shadow_7" <NoN...@NoNeed.com> wrote:
> ?death threats?
> (is that what kill filed means)
>
> I may have missed some posts because of volume here lately. And I don't
> always read posts that exceed a few paragraphs unless they offer some sort
> of insight or educational points to ponder.
>
> I'm not interested in stopping catherine. I'm interested in rebuilding the
> activity to it's former glory. Once this has been done the complaints
> should lesson. And the focus should shift from where did all the corps go
> to something about drum corps.
>
> Shadow_7
Considering the first paragraph, thanks for reading!
I can agree with this as well.
AL
Alan Cunningham
Miss Burr. She must be having some terribly troubled times in her
personal life and that's on top of all the other known emotional
disorders she has. I think EVERYONE should lighten up on this troubled
individual. <some sarcasm off>
OT- BTW the Royal Airs were a huge hit at DCM. Standing O's all over
da place and I was grinnin' ear to ear my wife said. What can I
say..the '65 RA and Kilties are what I cut my teeth on while I worn
out my '65 VFW Fleetwood recordings on my "hand me down" mono record
player. RA should be primed by Labor Day weekend!
Plaidly
Aldo
Catherine
than Rich Sennett's reportage of your conversation with Bucky Swan?
You certainly have a right to your own opinion and whatever reasoning process and
expert opinions you prefer to infer from... If we are ever in a real courtroom, I'll
look forward to your reasonable evidence and I will rely upon mine. We will then see
how an *objective* forum judges my behavior, actions and opinions, and how your
behavior, actions and opinions shall be judged by no one with any other
political/personal interest.
BTW, Jeff. I have been in a real courtroom once over all this. I was not the
object. Further, given the additional evidence and legal records on file - in my
case and in others - I would say there are more official records of my version of
things than yours - in addition to witness testimony (of which there are all types of
experts).
As with YarnGidget, I don't plan to continue this repartee with you, George Dixon and
others about my producing "proof" of my opinions - no matter how many more posts you,
he and others make. You can certainly post what you like, as I can and will continue
to do on any RAMD topics/posts. We both have to live with what we say and write.
And those who *do* know the specifics whom I respect in all this mess are the only
opinions I consider. You and George Dixon have the same option. Frankly, I don't
see what you are so upset over except your lack of control and influence over the
choices and minds of others.
-- Catherine
"Jeffsjetta" <jeffs...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20020714104657...@mb-cp.aol.com...
JJAYBOYD
Yet again showing that proof isnt needed in any argument she is in... only the
OTHER person has to have it...
>BTW, Jeff. I have been in a real courtroom once over all this.
that shows what a loser you are that you have to go to a courtroom over an
internet newsgroup. Pick your fat ass up, and get a life... or at least order
one from the internet.. do something with yourself.
jason
MWS987
would love to hear your opinion.
Catherine
news:20020715002007...@mb-fc.aol.com...
> Catherine, were you in DeKalb? What did you think of the scouts? Seriously, I
> would love to hear your opinion.
I've made what comments I'm going to make on their show in comparison to the others I
saw. Unless I have further comments in response to other posts, of course.
I've thought about writing reviews of shows in the current vein of descriptors and
taking a tape recorder along to shows in order to do so. I've decided against it for
a number of reasons, primarily that such isn't what I like to do at shows. Maybe
someday under different and less political circumstances...
-- Catherine
Jeffsjetta
me. get me in court. I want a legal summons requiring me to appear in court and
defend myself from your accusations.
as for Richie's report, he pretty much said all that happened except that
Buckys advice was turn the computer off (expletives left out as i dont remember
their exact placement)
the ball is in your court ms Burr. Show proof. Sue me.
Or shut the hell up.
>Subject: Re: The imaginary world of Catherine Burr continues to fall
>From: "Catherine" cather...@yahoo.com
>Date: 7/14/2002 11:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <qprY8.13727$Kx3....@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>
ironman
<snip>
> BTW, Jeff. I have been in a real courtroom once over all this. I was not the
> object. Further, given the additional evidence and legal records on file - in my
> case and in others - I would say there are more official records of my version of
> things than yours - in addition to witness testimony (of which there are all types of
> experts).
<snip>
Wow, there was a drum corps (a RAMD?) related court case? Is this old
news? I never heard the story... maybe I'm too new... what was the
case about?
In what state was the case tried? Give us the information to look up
the case in the public records and shut George/Jeff/whoever up
Catherine! That should show him! How much better proof is there than
the court proceedings and sworn testimony?
Jeffsjetta
>Subject: Re: The imaginary world of Catherine Burr continues to fall
>From: ironma...@hotmail.com (ironman)
>Date: 7/15/2002 10:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <30cc3772.02071...@posting.google.com>
Dr. Trumpet
Vengeance <veng...@mine.com> wrote:
> On 15 Jul 2002 19:23:12 -0700, ironma...@hotmail.com (ironman)
A harassment restraining order is hardly a case in court. Libel and slander are
more than civil cases, and can become criminal activity if done beyond a certain
level. A restraining order simply indicates that one party does not want the
other party anywhere near them, and fears for their own personal safety. And,
from experience, a restraining order isn't worth the paper it is written on if
someone is bent on making your life a living hell.
(Note to all: taking no sides on this case-nothing in what I wrote is directed
at either party.)
Jeffsjetta
>Subject: Re: The imaginary world of Catherine Burr continues to fall
>From: "Dr. Trumpet" dr_trpt-...@hotmail.com
>Date: 7/16/2002 6:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <dr_trpt-spamfree-6D...@news.iquest.net>
MC
To The DCP Posse, Marshall Dixon and Catherine the Kid:
Marshall Dixon,
Since I can't ask you questions any longer, I'll just
suggest that instead of telling us you're the better
man, prove it by simply moving on to manage your new
spread.
To everyone involved:
You've fragged each other again for two weeks.
Nothing is going to change by lobbing more grenades.
Nothing.
Drop the vendettas, decrease the pollution.
It's that simple.
RAMD was fine three weeks ago.
Now that the DCP posse has ridden in to "clean up" the
ghost town, the signal to noise ratio is off the charts.
I don't buy the "we're trying to save drum corps" bit
anymore than I buy the "everyone is out to get me" bit.
This is a nasty pissing contest, nothing more.
NEWSFLASH - by continuing this you all are part of the
problem you so righteously complain about. You launch
character attacks WHILE you complain about those made
against you, then justify it with "They did it first."
It doesn't get more hypocritical than that.
After two years you might want to consider the reality
that posting more of the same won't solve the problem.
I know, you're all being "damaged". I'll have to agree
with Dave that this claim is inflated and exaggerated.
At this point none of you hold the high ground - there
is none. It's all been used up to make mud to throw at
each other.
Put it to bed guys.
MC
Jeffsjetta
I respect you, even when we disagree on stuff. But I have had
enough> I have been bashed and trashed so much, that it is put up or shut up
time. As I Stated in another thread, because of her bashing of me, I had to go
before my school's band boosters to defend myself....all because of her words
on here. I want her to show proof of all of my evil doings, or i want a full
and heartfelt apology typed for all of drum and bugle corps to see.
Until I see one or the other, I will not rest. There comes a time and place
where you have to say enough is enough, put up or shut up. Well I am at that
place.
>Subject: Wordfight At The DCI Corral
>From: MC mca...@mindspring.com
>Date: 7/17/2002 1:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <3D350405...@mindspring.com>
Patrick Laxson
Believe it or not, I strongly agree with you.
Let me pose you these question, however.
If you see another post of a parent supporting their marching child,
or the enthusiasm of someone posting a show review, and Catherine does
her trademark Tasmanian Devil routine, who would WE be to not respond
to that? Don't you think, not just as a drum corps fan, but as an
American and a human being, it is our obligation to support those
people who truly speak their free mind in a neutral way, especially if
they are new, only to be trashed by a person who blames so many
involved in the activity for her dissatisfaction with it, when many of
these people don't know her, haven't met her, and never care to and
have never harmed a hair on her head? If you can tell me what the hell
those people did that were so wrong, then I would support your points
wholeheartedly.
Until then, I will not sit quietly.
Patrick Laxson
Scott Walker
at radio...@hotmail.com wrote on 7/17/02 1:45 PM:
> Michael,
>
> Believe it or not, I strongly agree with you.
>
> Let me pose you these question, however.
>
> If you see another post of a parent supporting their marching child,
> or the enthusiasm of someone posting a show review, and Catherine does
> her trademark Tasmanian Devil routine, who would WE be to not respond
> to that?
You would be a mature adult who is not easily manipulated by people seeking
attention "by whatever means necessary".
Don't you think, not just as a drum corps fan, but as an
> American and a human being, it is our obligation to support those
> people who truly speak their free mind in a neutral way, especially if
> they are new, only to be trashed by a person who blames so many
> involved in the activity for her dissatisfaction with it, when many of
> these people don't know her, haven't met her, and never care to and
> have never harmed a hair on her head?
In that case the best support response would be to drop the flamed person a
private e-mail explaining the nuances of this group and it's
"personalities". Tell them they are still welcome to post and they should
just ignore, or better yet killfile, the offending person.
If you can tell me what the hell
> those people did that were so wrong, then I would support your points
> wholeheartedly.
> Until then, I will not sit quietly.
>
> Patrick Laxson
Patrick, I don't know if you subscribe to any other newsgroups and I
apologize if I sound condescending, but this kind of thing is rampant on
USENET. Many people post flames solely to generate as much controversy
(chaos?) as possible. I won't even bother speculating on why this is.
Have you heard the expression, "Don't feed the trolls"? If you respond you
are doing exactly what the troll wants/craves (the more aggressive and
vitriolic the thread gets the better they seem to like it), and if they know
they can always get a rise out of you they will NEVER STOP. Conversely, if
you ignore them they eventually find some other bridge to live under. Just
my observations. Regards.
Scott Walker
SS 81-84
Jeffsjetta
see, full disclosure is possible.
>Subject: Re: The imaginary world of Catherine Burr continues to fall
>From: blan...@manta.colostate.edu (Jim Blansett)
>Date: 7/17/2002 7:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <eclaju814pct2786r...@4ax.com>
>
>That information, Jeff, is not listed on the page. Just how did you
>become privvy to this fact(?), if I might be so bold to ask.
ironman
resulting in a restraining order, but not much else. Unfortunately,
it doesn't say anything about the context or include any of the
testimony or evidence. Does anyone know how one can gain access to
the "additional evidence and legal records on file" that Catherine
mentions? Does anyone know what the case was about?
jeffs...@aol.com (Jeffsjetta) wrote in message news:<20020717000155...@mb-fh.aol.com>...
Geoff Jones
"ironman" <ironma...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:30cc3772.02071...@posting.google.com...
Shadow_7
read every RAMD post for a couple of weeks. Now that all have been banned
of the "inter-net" sites it's starting to get noisy around here again. It's
only wednesday and I'm already over 1,000 posts behind in my reading.
Damn job... Damn need for sleep... Dahm human shell... Where's a good
alien abduction when you need one.
Shadow_7
Patrick Laxson
Thanks, Scott for the feedback. I have browsed other newsgroups, and I
also understand that they have their differences as well as
commonalities. I am also under the impression that this group is not
named alt.politics.kill-all-pigs OR alt.faggot.die.die.die, but
instead, as it once was when I first started following it, about the
drum corps activity. Now the focus has been shifted to a verbal
throwdown between the handful of "trolls", as you very appropriately
stated, and those trying to corral them back under the bridge.
One troll has stated that efforts to destroy the current state of the
activity will never stop, and if it occurs at the expense of others,
innocent, non-threatening or otherwise, so be it.
THIS IS PSYCHOTIC.
Do you really expect anyone who stands up for the activity to be
silent? Do you really think people who have respect (maybe not
agreement, but definitely respect) for everything and everyone in drum
corps history that helped bring it to its current state, like the
scores of war veterans, countless numbers of parents, fans, and yes,
"elitists" (LOL) like Royer, Blenski, Zingali, Hardimon, Pesceone,
Notaro, Hopkins (oh, please flame me, i beg you) and about 1000000+
countless others, to sit by and even have this sick and twisted view
even reach a computer screen? That's why so many others have spoken
out as well.
Hide if you will, I will not.
I will attend the festivities in Madison, I plan to march Senior Corps
in the near future, and I will support my children who choose to make
music a part of their lives in whatever form it comes in, or any other
beneficial interest that will bring enrichment to their lives.
I don't care if it's a baroque ensemble, winter guard, parading
bagpipes, a symphony orchestra, a ballet troupe, jazz band, marching
band, drum corps, or any variation or combination of one or more
sundry elements.
The real meaning is in musical expression and its gift to humanity! It
is a language everyone can understand, and be touched by. I will
defend that, because it has been one of the most beautiful things
about my life, and if there is anything I want to take with me into
whatever is on the other side of this life, it is the gift of music.
Anybody who wishes to take that away from any person, group, or
faction, might as well take everything else as well.
I not only consider them an enemy of music, but of personal freedom of
all men, women and children who strive to pursue and enjoy life.
Am I going overboard? No way. I am not talking about those who
criticize imperfections in the activity, but the elimination of modern
drum corps and the hatred towards those who enjoy and/or benefit from
it.
This feeling is at the core of my beliefs, and I will sound off each
and every time someone tells me that I am stupid, mediocre or less of
a person for making it a part of my life, or for seeing that others
share the same interest and enjoy it as well.
Despite whatever imperfections they may have, I am thankful for all
who have marched and are marching corps, all those who helped carry
the banner, those who took and continue to take it upon themselves to
support those who do what they can, in the best way they know how, to
keep the activity moving forward.
Attacking those people gains no merit, and I for one, consider
bringing scorn upon them an atrocity.
Patrick Laxson
JJAYBOYD
bravo!
jason
MC
Patrick Laxson wrote:
> Hide if you will, I will not.
This isn't about hiding. It's about realizing that nothing you're
doing works. This has been going on for two years now. Nothing
anyone will write is going to magically stop any of this.
Let me repeat that.
NOTHING anyone will write is going to magically stop any of this
The only thing that ends this is both sides walking away.
Neither side is as damaged as they claim, and neither side has
as much power to ruin or save drum corps as is claimed. This is
a newsgroup, not NATO, get some perspective.
You have two options.
If you're really interested in a calm, non anarchistic RAMD then
stop fanning the flames of this, period. Anything else is like
hitting a bee's nest and then wondering why there's a swarm
and we're all getting stung.
If you're interested in furthering the pissing contest then keep
writing in order to goad the same tired crew into yet another
pointless flame war that wastes your time and energy and gets
RAMD nowhere.
But don't bitch about the problem because you're creating it
every time you sit down to type another missive. It takes two
to tango and the dance doesn't commence if you don't take the
invitation.
> Am I going overboard? No way.
If you think you're a freedom fighter for American music lovers
and free speech then yes, you are going overboard. You're giving
far too much weight to ONE person's opinion. You're championing
free speech by attempting to club down people you disagree with.
I don't buy the "saving drum corps" angle anymore - one person
can not destroy or even really injure drum corps.
Give people more credit to see the truth through the rhetoric
on both sides of this.
Regards,
Michael Cahill
MC
Patrick Laxson wrote:
> Michael,
>
> Believe it or not, I strongly agree with you.
>
> Let me pose you these question, however.
>
> If you see another post of a parent supporting their marching child,
> or the enthusiasm of someone posting a show review, and Catherine does
> her trademark Tasmanian Devil routine, who would WE be to not respond
> to that?
What does it accomplish besides making you feel better?
Have those posts stopped appearing?
> Don't you think, not just as a drum corps fan, but as an
> American and a human being, it is our obligation to support
> those people who truly speak their free mind in a neutral way,
I don't think, as an American, that it's anyone's job to decide
who gets to say what on a public newsgroup.
> especially if they are new, only to be trashed by a person who
> blames so manyinvolved in the activity for her dissatisfaction
> with it, when many of these people don't know her, haven't met her,
> and never care to and have never harmed a hair on her head?
If they've never met her, don't know her and never care to,
what does it matter what she says or thinks of them?
Why should these people, or anyone else, give a damn what one
lady in Racine thinks?
> If you can tell me what the hell those people did that were
> so wrong, then I would support your points wholeheartedly.
If people can't handle a negative opinion or even flat out
bashing from one person without "protection" from the Posse
they should avoid un-moderated discussion groups.
There's DCP, there's BD's forum and Soundmachine. Three
places that you can post and be protected by moderators.
Again, this all goes back to the point above - why are so
many of you letting the opinion of ONE person you don't
know from Eve torque you out so much?
> Until then, I will not sit quietly.
And what will you accomplish by fragging her endlessly?
RAMD was quiet until you guys started in on her again.
Regards,
Michael Cahill
MC
Jeffsjetta wrote:
> Michael,
>
> I respect you, even when we disagree on stuff. But I have had
> enough> I have been bashed and trashed so much, that it is put up or shut up
> time.
What leverage do you have to make this happen?
> As I Stated in another thread, because of her bashing of me, I had to
> go before my school's band boosters to defend myself....all because
> of her words on here.
It takes two, Jeff. If you didn't respond there would be only
one person talking. I'm not going to defend either side in this,
because it's wayyyy beyond that at this point, but you can't
lay all the blame on her alone. You guys have dug as deeply
into her as she has into you.
If you're working with a band or corps you don't have
the freedom that un-affiliated posters do. I wish it
was different but it's not.
> I want her to show proof of all of my evil doings, or i want a full
> and heartfelt apology typed for all of drum and bugle corps to see.
Do you honestly think you're going to get that?
> Until I see one or the other, I will not rest. There comes a time and
> place where you have to say enough is enough, put up or shut up.
> Well I am at that place.
You guys have been saying this for over a year.
What's going to be different this time?
Regards,
Michael Cahill
Nikk Pilato
> If you see another post of a parent supporting their marching child,
> or the enthusiasm of someone posting a show review, and Catherine does
> her trademark Tasmanian Devil routine, who would WE be to not respond
> to that?
OH FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!!!
You don't respond to it because it isn't going to get you
anywhere, and indeed, it is just going to prolong a debate. WOuld you
argue with a piece of wood? Would you argue with a puppy? Would you
argue with the sidewalk? No? And why not? Because you're not going to
win that argument. The wood, the puppy, the sidewalk...they are not going
to acknowledge that you have good, salient points (if you do). They are
not going to mull it over and come to a different conclusion. They are
not going to give you your "props" for a good counter-argument. And
history tells us that neither will this person you keep arguing with...so
why do you expect any different results.
At this point, I truly believe It says half the things it says
just to piss people off. This is a game, it is a fishing tournament...Its
posts are the bait, and you idiots who keep responding day and night are
the fishes. And you end up on the boat, gasping for air EVERY DAMN TIME.
Do us a favour, ok? Stop trying to decide what we want to hear or
read. A lot of us have It killfiled, but it's kind of hard to avoid the
ongoing argument when people respond to people that respond to people that
respond to It. At this rate, I'd have to killfile ALL of RAMD to avoid
the freaking war that goes on every day without fail.
> Don't you think, not just as a drum corps fan, but as an
> American and a human being, it is our obligation to support those
> people who truly speak their free mind in a neutral way, especially if
> they are new, only to be trashed by a person who blames so many
> involved in the activity for her dissatisfaction with it, when many of
> these people don't know her, haven't met her, and never care to and
> have never harmed a hair on her head?
No, I don't think we have any of those responsibilities on our
shoulders. Free speech man...the constitution guarantees it. We may
disagree with what It says, but It has a right to say it. If we hate the
Jerry Springer show, we have no one to blame but ourselves if we end up
watching it...you can TURN THE DAMN CHANNEL. TURN THE DAMN CHANNEL,
RAMD!!! THere is drum corps going on on Channel One, and you bozos keep
turning to Channel Four!!!
> If you can tell me what the hell
> those people did that were so wrong, then I would support your points
> wholeheartedly.
> Until then, I will not sit quietly.
Oh, aren't you the superhero type...are you one of those people
that feels bad on the behalf of others, even if they don't care? Is your
real name Sheila Broflovsky? Well, keep talking endlessly to the brick
wall...you're still not going to get anywhere. When the hell are you
folks going to realize that there is NO WINNING THIS ARGUMENT. What do
you hope to see? Do you hope there is a light at the end of the tunnel,
where IT is going to say "You were right, and I was wrong?" Get over
it...it is not going to happen.
It is either insane, or a master fisherman...based on Its number
of catches EVERY SINGLE DAY, I have to concede the point that you
jackasses may just be some of the biggest fish around. Until you realize
that, IT is going to keep trotting out conspiracy theories, wild
accusations, and having fun with RAMD as Its plaything.
I would have hoped that some of you older RAMDers would have
realized it too...an argument that cannot be won is not worth debating.
Well, Patrick, my hero... I suppose if you feel you HAVE to
continue to fight for truth and the American way, I'll have to killfile
you too. At least it will continue to cut down the clutter on RAMD. It's
a shame too....15 RAMDers I used to enjoy reading are now in my killfile
because they never learned the lesson.
++
np
nikk@nikk#nospam#nakks.net
"This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
Not with a bang but a whimper"
-T.S. Eliot
Nikk Pilato
> Jeffsjetta wrote:
> > Michael,
> >
> > I respect you, even when we disagree on stuff. But I have had
> > enough> I have been bashed and trashed so much, that it is put up or shut up
> > time.
> What leverage do you have to make this happen?
None...and if he is working with a band, his best option is to
shit up quickly and not stir up any more trouble. Let It keep talking all
IT wants, but you ignore it. If Jeff were working for my band, that is
the condition I would set for his continued employment...and Jeff...just
so you know....I have you killfiled here on RAMD but still enjoy your
posts on DCP...no offense...but I would have fired you already. Unless
you were to promise me you could withhold any more provoking.
> > As I Stated in another thread, because of her bashing of me, I had to
> > go before my school's band boosters to defend myself....all because
> > of her words on here.
WHy are the band boosters making decisions on staff activities?
Where is the band director in all of this...he should be the final say.
But like I said...I would have fired you already. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE
stop responding to the troll...I'd like to take you out of the killfile
and read your RAMD output once again.
> It takes two, Jeff. If you didn't respond there would be only
> one person talking. I'm not going to defend either side in this,
> because it's wayyyy beyond that at this point, but you can't
> lay all the blame on her alone. You guys have dug as deeply
> into her as she has into you.
Sometimes more so...and I am not innocent of that either...which
is why I stopped. Set the filters, Jeff...please don't lump yourself in
with idiots like Plawner and Laxson, who feel a need to protect the drum
corps activity (as if they could).
> If you're working with a band or corps you don't have
> the freedom that un-affiliated posters do. I wish it
> was different but it's not.
> > I want her to show proof of all of my evil doings, or i want a full
> > and heartfelt apology typed for all of drum and bugle corps to see.
It isn't going to happen...and if you keep going, you are risking
getting fired. As Michael said, you do not have the freedom you would
like in this manner. A prolonged flame war is no good for your resume.
> > Until I see one or the other, I will not rest. There comes a time and
> > place where you have to say enough is enough, put up or shut up.
> > Well I am at that place.
> You guys have been saying this for over a year.
Try two years.
> What's going to be different this time?
Not a damn thing. Unless you filter it out and let RAMD get calm
once again.
Patrick Laxson
You are missing the entire point.
I am stating what I believe!! I am not mandating what everyone else
should believe, that would be arrogant and Machavellian.
Just because my views and/or optimism may be hard to swallow, or seem
more inflated than what more passive-type people may believe or be
used to, doesn't mean that it isn't credible.
I still contend that RAMD is more of an anarchistic train wreck than
free speech.
Closer reading of my message will reveal that I favor real freedom,
not the black veil of verbal pillaging that goes on here.
And again, because of what drum corps has done positively for my life,
I still won't sit idly by and say NOTHING to or about someone who
wants to ruin that enjoyment for even one person.
Ignorance does not yield results in this case.
As long as the ripping continues, I will speak up, not because I want
to be seen or looked upon as anything or anyone. I'm sure I will never
have a chance to meet 99.999999999999% of you.
I could care less how I am criticized for feeling this way.
I just do, and I think straying from constructive, helpful criticism
of the activity into the area of a verbal food fight is not helpful to
any of us.
Is that an excuse for apathy?
Patrick
Shadow_7
Nice one... Almost reminded me of Tommy Boy...
> WOuld you argue with a piece of wood? Would you
> argue with a puppy? Would you argue with the sidewalk?
Strange. I seem to argue with stop lights, computers, and instruments of
all sorts all the time. Maybe I should include wood, puppies, and sidewalks
in the mix. After all it's these types of arguments that I just might win.
Although it's getting harder to find sidewalks these days. Earth first,
we'll pave the other planets laterz.
Shadow_7
bill turner
"Shadow_7" <NoN...@NoNeed.com> wrote:
<snip>
> Earth first,
> we'll pave the other planets laterz.
>
> Shadow_7
Puh-leez... let humans prove they can handle corps first; they had a
good first 50 years, but over the long haul...
-- bill
george maloney
and their reasons for owning and using them (very deep and yet
simple)called "The Gun"
Most fitting lines.
Catch 22.
Everybody's got a pistol.
Everybody's got a 45.
The philosophy seems to be,
at least as far as I can see,
when the other folks give up theirs,
i'll give up mine.
That's the problem.
George
Jeffsjetta
I just want the bashing and slandering of my name to end.
>Subject: Re: Wordfight At The DCI Corral
>From: MC mca...@mindspring.com
>Date: 7/18/2002 11:11 AM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <3D36DA90...@mindspring.com>
Jeffsjetta
I admit my part in it...i dont deflect my blame onto everyone else like she
does. Remember, she does no wrong.
But i dont email all over the world bashing her like she has done to me. I do
not email her friends and family trashing her like she has done to me (and we
have seen emails posted here that she has done it)
It has to stop....and just walking away at this point will not solve it. All it
will do is make her feel like she won, and someone ran off cause they cant take
the heat (which she has accused others of doing on here).
The time has come for her to put up or shut up.
Put yourself in my shoes, and you would feel as I do.
>Subject: Re: Wordfight At The DCI Corral
>From: MC mca...@mindspring.com
>Date: 7/18/2002 11:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <3D36E24F...@mindspring.com>
Jeffsjetta
>shit up quickly and not stir up any more trouble.
I am defending myself as is my right honestly.
>Let It keep talking all
>IT wants, but you ignore it
You be in my shoes...you have your friends and family emailed....then tell me
you'd feel differently.
>If Jeff were working for my band, that is
>the condition I would set for his continued employment...and Jeff...just
>so you know....I have you killfiled here on RAMD but still enjoy your
>posts on DCP...no offense...but I would have fired you already.
well given geographical differences, you'd never hire me lol. and no offense
taken. you amuse me and give me insight killfiled or not.
>Unless
>you were to promise me you could withhold any more provoking
At this point, i am calling her out to show her proof before i take it further.
>WHy are the band boosters making decisions on staff activities?
They cut the paychecks.
>Where is the band director in all of this...he should be the final say.
he supoorts me but doesnt cut the check. he has known me for 15 years, and he
reads RAMD. He has no issues w/what I do here, DCP, RAMB, the AT&T, Cingular ,
and cellular newsgroups.
>But like I said...I would have fired you already. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE
>stop responding to the troll...I'd like to take you out of the killfile
>and read your RAMD output once again.
Again, you be in my shoes. You be attacked like I have and had the lies spread
about you I have. I guarandamntee you'd be upset. I have seen you on other
issues, and I assure you, I bet you'd be feeling like I do.
>Sometimes more so...and I am not innocent of that either...which
>is why I stopped. Set the filters, Jeff...please don't lump yourself in
>with idiots like Plawner and Laxson, who feel a need to protect the drum
>corps activity (as if they could).
>
When it gets to the courtroom stage I am sure I will have to. till then, you
can see me on goggle daily.
>It isn't going to happen...and if you keep going, you are risking
>getting fired.
Not now I dont. that has been assured to me.
>As Michael said, you do not have the freedom you would
>like in this manner. A prolonged flame war is no good for your resume.
hasnt stopped the gigs from rolling in honestly. if anything it has gotten my
name and my musical resume out there, even though i do not really throw my
resume out here much.
Jeffsjetta
they always win.
>Subject: Re: Wordfight At The DCI Corral
>From: "Shadow_7" NoN...@NoNeed.com
>Date: 7/18/2002 8:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <6oJZ8.85641$uw.4...@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net>
bill turner
jeffs...@aol.com (Jeffsjetta) wrote:
<snip>
> hasnt stopped the gigs from rolling in honestly. if anything it has gotten my
> name and my musical resume out there, even though i do not really throw my
> resume out here much.
Glad to hear, but a little surprised, that you're getting gigs. I tried
earlier this year to let you know that your posting style wasn't one
that I, as a parent, could possibly support.
-- bill
Jeffsjetta
i am not refering to RAMD, just all that has happened in my life in general)
nothing surprises me anymore.
dont ask me why, but my band parents love me (again). anyone that stayed there
after the fall of 2000 is deeply loved in their eyes, cause we sucked. I guess
they see a guy who will go to the depths of hell and back to helpmake his
drummers better on and off the field.
>Subject: Re: Wordfight At The DCI Corral
>From: bill turner bill_ge...@hotmail.com
>Date: 7/19/2002 2:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id:
><bill_gets_stuff-CE...@orngca-news03.socal.rr.com>