What happened to the 27th Lancers????
Gunsmoke
and just started following everything again this year, I have missed a
lot!!
Will someone please educate me on what happened to the 27th Lancers (1984
to present)? I can't believe that they are gone forever. One of the
guys I used to march with told me that they (two-seven) had a reunion at
the Boston Finals in 1994.
The first year that I saw them was 1982 when they played "Seahawk" for an
opener. They were awesome...what happened?? Are they just inactive?
Thanks for any replies.
Later.
Matt Dillon
'82-'83 Valley Fever
'84 Blue Devils
Ommalle
Avant Garde the year before and they folded. He tried Star in '87 but
even he couldn't break them.
Scott Wilkinson
As far as I know, the legendary uniforms are still
sitting around somewhere...
Terri Gailey
<dil...@qmsmtpgw.mugu.navy.mil> wrote:
> Will someone please educate me on what happened to the 27th Lancers (1984
> to present)? I can't believe that they are gone forever. One of the
> guys I used to march with told me that they (two-seven) had a reunion at
> the Boston Finals in 1994.
Unfortunately, 27th folded after finals week in 1986. They got 13th place
by .3, and there had been rumors all summer that they were going to fold
if they didn't make finals. I wish they could return. I don't know if
there is any plan to do so. They fielded an alumni corps for finals last
year, and it was awesome.
--
Terri Gailey
Graduate student
University of Texas at Austin, School of Music
Nighthawks 1983-84
Troopers 1985-86, 1988
Troopers staff 1992
Robert Weber
drum corps history. Here's the skinny:
27th Lancers folded after 1986 season.
Last year (1994), a group of alumni decided to band together to honor the
corps' 27th anniversary. Coincidentally, Finals were in Boston last
year. The group was able to put together a corps of over 300 members
that performed in exhibition all last season, including at DCI Finals.
According to many in attendance, it was one of the most emotional drum
corps performances in history. It certainly was the largest drum corps to
ever take the field. 27th Lancers completely stole the show.
This year, a smaller group of alumni continues to perform in exhibitions.
I don't know they're plans for the future, but I'd be interested to
hear.
Bsgenius
<chibo...@earthlink.net> writes:
>
>This year, a smaller group of alumni continues to perform in exhibitions.
> I don't know they're plans for the future, but I'd be interested to
>hear.
>
>
Maybe you could motivate enough of the mighty 300 to form an adult corps.
Sure would be wonderful to hear and see the ole 27th come back to life.
This must be one of the biggest disappointments in all of drum corps
history. It sort of makes me feel like some redneck just ran over my dog
or something.
How could 27th have money problems with all those rich yankees in the
Boston area? Now that the ;mighty 300 have grown up and have real jobs in
that rich city, you could put together enough bucks to get resurrected.
Please, say yes !!!!
Bill Streit
Tampa, FL
(formerly from Chelmsford, MA)
SGroh
into just disappear. I was in the corps from 1969 thru 1974 and marched
with the alumni corps in' 94. Back in the mid 1980's the business of drum
corps caught up with and passed the Lancers. The corps was unable to
implement a financial plan to carry it into the 90's. The corps dissolved
after the 1986 season under overwhelming debt, the corps' assets were
auctioned off including the original uniforms. There is undoubtedly many
pieces of Lancer property (and history) hanging around in attics all over
the country. DCI asked the Lancers to regroup and perform at Foxboro in
1994. That process of organizing and putting together a show took about 18
months. The corps hit the field in Foxboro with a headcount of 286. The
members spanned three generations of Lancers, Gerry Foley an original
member of the 1968 corps was proud to march next to his son, Patrick.
A large number of members never marched with the corps back in the
competing days but were able to get a chance to live out that dream in the
alumni corps.
The organization still exists and will perform at the "DRUM CORPS 5-6-7"
show at Boston University in September (sorry, the date slips my mind)
I could probably ramble on for hours with war stories but I have two
teenagers who want to go to the mall now...
Steve Groh
27 (late Jurassic period)
Bill Speakman
Perhaps if all of this time, effort and money were put back into the
activity rather than the"alumni corps", we would have seen the
resurrection of 27.
As it was and is, I have to keep myself from running to the bowl every
time someone tells me how "special" 27 was in Boston.
If they were "special" they would have channeled those energies toward
doing something good for the kids, like resurrecting a drum corps.
Instead, they decided to fan their egos in one of the most monumental
wastes of time talent and money the drum corps world has ever seen.
Rick Beckham
have one actually. Jealous? They can do with their money as they see
fit. And I beg to differ about it being a waste. For many spectators
it was a huge emotional moment, and for all we know may lead to
the return of the Lancers. Time will tell.
Curt Anderson
>From: sg...@aol.com (SGroh)
>Subject: Re: What happened to the 27th Lancers????
>Date: 25 Aug 1995 10:46:57 -0400
>The organization still exists and will perform at the "DRUM CORPS 5-6-7"
>show at Boston University in September (sorry, the date slips my mind)
>I could probably ramble on for hours with war stories but I have two
>teenagers who want to go to the mall now...
>Steve Groh
>27 (late Jurassic period)
The 5-6-7 show is on Sep 30th at Boston University's Walter Brown Arena.
The following corps will be performing:
Blessed Sacrament Golden Knights of Union NJ
Connecticut Alumni Corps of Shelton CT
Crusaders Senior Corps of Boston MA
Erie Thunderbirds Alumni Corps of Erie PA
Generations Alumni Corps of Bristol RI
Hawthorne Caballeros Alumni Corps of Hawthorne NJ
Marksmen Alumni Corps of Springfield MA
Mighty St. Joe's Alumni Corps of LeRoy NY
Reilly Raiders of Philadelphia PA
27th Lancers of Rever MA
Murray Hill Drum & Bugle Corps of Roxbury MA
Tickets ($18, $15, $12) are available from:
Drum Corps 5-6-7
38 Lyme Street
Malden, MA 02148-4217
Curt Anderson
Contra, Mighty St. Joe's Alumni Corps
ande...@servtech.com
Cathy Doser
Beckham) wrote:
I would also have to say that the Lancers did do something by performing.
I think a number of staffs took note of the emotional response garnered by
27th, and did something to incorporate some of that "old time religion"
into their show. 27th has shown that old corps still sells.
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CBalesmd
>Subject: Re: What happened to the 27th Lancers????
>From: Bill Speakman <ww...@cde.psu.edu>
>Date: 25 Aug 1995 20:26:09 GMT
>
>Bill--
>
>Perhaps if all of this time, effort and money were put back into the
>activity rather than the"alumni corps", we would have seen the
>resurrection of 27.
>As it was and is, I have to keep myself from running to the bowl every
>time someone tells me how "special" 27 was in Boston.
>If they were "special" they would have channeled those energies toward
>doing something good for the kids, like resurrecting a drum corps.
>Instead, they decided to fan their egos in one of the most monumental
>wastes of time talent and money the drum corps world has ever seen.
>
Reply: What a crock of s..t! Grow up! You are a negative, sad,
uninformed poop! The 27th can and should do what they want. 40,000 young
and old thought they were just fantastic in Boston. You should have heard
them at Brass Theater!
Go home and stay there.
Craig Bales
Just a Fan
SGroh
>time someone tells me how "special" 27 was in Boston.
>If they were "special" they would have channeled those energies toward
>doing something good for the kids, like resurrecting a drum corps.
>Instead, they decided to fan their egos in one of the most monumental
>wastes of time talent and money the drum corps world has ever seen.
As a member of the original AND alumni corps I really have to laugh at how
uninformed you are. The Lancer organization put this alumni corps together
for a variety of reasons. Yeah, we fanned our egos a little bit but we
also used this opportunity to generate money and interest to start a new
junior corps in the North shore Boston area. People have been working on
that for a long time now.
Get some facts in your head next time before you decide to channel your
energies toward the cutting edge of soapbox stupidity.
Bill Speakman
you people GET these numbers?
B. Yes, I may an uninformed Poop (Poop?), and the score may be more like
25,000 to one, but I still hold the same opinion, as uninformed and
(poopish?) as it is.
IMHO All that matters in drum corps is the kids (I'll give a
dispensation to the seniors-although they are mostly kids nowdays), and
unless all groups in the activity are doing what's best for the kids,
they are doing no good for the activity, only for their egos.
How much do you think the 27 experience cost (all members expenditures)?
Believe me, it was more than 27 spent during that last fateful year as
an active drum corps!
C. I have gone home, and I plan to stay there. Alumni corps should
follow the example.
D. Never commented on how they sounded, just the motivation and an
alternative use of their time, money and energy. By the way, I did see
them at Brass Theatre-they sounded very good for a corps of their day.
E. Positive is working toward the future, Negative is trying to re-live
the past. Who's negative here?
F. No problem with "can do what they want", the "should" is the
question. It's a free Nation and a free activity, but if more people
spend more time in the past, there will be no future.
Bill Speakman
Thanks for the update and correction.
A. Why is that information not generally known? Congratulations on
starting something that will benefit all!
B. Is the same amount of money, time and energy being expended on the
new corps as was on the alumni corps? Lets hope.
--Bill
Rick Olson
Bill Speakman,
Just WHO do you think you are to tell ANYONE what they should or
shouldn't do with their OWN money? You're entitled to your own
opinion, of course, but to attempt to force that opinion on someone
else is the height of bad manners and arrogance.
I f you don't like what someone does with their money, fine, no one
is forcing you attend their events or support their activities.
Rick Olson
--
A member of one of the BEST Senior color guards ever to take the field/floor.
The KINGSMEN of Hamburg, New York
Bill Speakman
Rick--
How am I forcing anyone to do anything? As you so ably note, I am entitled to my own opinion, and that's all it is.
Also, as you also said, if I don't like what someone does with their own money, fine...I'm not forcing anyone to do anything.
Force my opinion? How? I'd love to, but I know of no way I am able to do that? Have I suddenly been given the power to contol people=
s actions? If so, thanks, it will make my job a lot easier here. I always wanted to be a dictator, but, until now, no one had confer=
red the power on me.
Jeez, lighten up old boy........it's just an opinion, I'm not the drum corps god...
>
Scrummydil
>Perhaps if all of this time, effort and money were put back into the
>activity rather than the"alumni corps", we would have seen the
>resurrection of 27.
Go Bill! Believe it or not, you're not the only one who feels this way. I
was in the stands that night, and as someone who grew up watching the 27th
Lancers, I can attest to the emotional current running through the crowd.
But the emotion was NOT unbridled joy. It was nostalgia and a pretty
decent dose of heartache.
I can't think of a more absurd situation: 300-odd members of a dead
corps performing at nationals. Considering the enthusiasm generated by the
spectacle, what excuse is there for not resurrecting this corps? Is it
easier to get 300 grown-ups with jobs and families to devote enough time
to make such a series of appearances possible than it is to get 60 - 100
teenagers together to jump-start 27 on a regional basis? Puh-leeze.
Here's a challenge: let's give the lip-service and tear-jerking a
rest. If anyone truly wants to see this great corps reappear for real and
not just as a beer-bellied mirage, its time to walk the walk. It can and
should happen. Simple ingredients, really: time, money, and devotion.
Everyone who has time to piss and moan to this newsgroup has it to give to
a real cause. There are too many pieces of this puzzle at our fingertips
to walk away blinded by the fog of the "good old days." Let's do it.
Chris Basso
Keith Anderson
> As a member of the original AND alumni corps I really have to laugh at how
> uninformed you are. The Lancer organization put this alumni corps together
> for a variety of reasons. Yeah, we fanned our egos a little bit but we
> also used this opportunity to generate money and interest to start a new
> junior corps in the North shore Boston area. People have been working on
> that for a long time now.
> 27 (late Jurassic period)
That may be indirectly the point......for a LONG TIME now. People have
been working on it for a long time but nothing seems to come from it.
Year after year I hear about 27 is thinking of putting together a jr.
corps again but we see nothing. If 'people' could get past the point
of "Will it be based in Revere? or Saugus? or Lynn?" and the "The corps
must be named 27 or we won't do it but then we have to buy the name
which 'he' won't give to us..." and don't forget my favorite, "If we
come out with a corps using the equipment truck etc. that we hid when
we went under so the gov't and bank wouldn't find it, will someone
find out and report it?" (oops, wasn't supposed to mention that).
There are so many problems to get past that shouldn't be problems but
are due to people's egos. My father used to use the phrase,
"Shit or get off the pot." and that just seems to apply so well here.
Just some rambling thoughts to feed the 27 fires. BTW, for what it's
worth, I'd love nothing better than to see a new No. Shore corps especially
27 but enough talk, they need to start doing.
-Keith Anderson
kr...@bustoff.bwh.harvard.edu
Bill Speakman
Get ready for the flame throwers!!!!!!!! We have violated sacred ground
and the natives are restless...
EDJU
as you would know the impact of so many people from the area and there
love and respect of 27th.I think the comments were more remembering a
happy and fruitful past rather than trying to relive it.
You sound really bitter and jealous of the 27th experience. I for one had
the best and most growing moments of my life then.I don't think you should
be so hard on the love and memories people have of the corp or any other
for that matter....I'm sorry your time with corp was'nt as pleasurable as
ours or the fans..........let up a little...
ED...@AOL.COM
SGroh
>>I just read your comment and you must not be from the north shore of
Mass.
>>as you would know the impact of so many people from the area and there
>>love and respect of 27th.I think the comments were more remembering a
>>happy and fruitful past rather than trying to relive it.
>>You sound really bitter and jealous of the 27th experience.
I think these comments speak volumes.
Many people get a little tunnel visioned in drumcorps. Some tend to
believe that their way is the ONLY way, and as a result they think it
perfectly acceptable to viciously flame anyone whose experience or beliefs
are different from theirs.
As for the amount of smoke and noise this thread has generated, I have
come to believe that if what you are doing elates some people and pisses
others off, then you are probably following the right path. The worst case
scenario is to elicit no response at all.
Steve Groh
27(late Jurassic period)
khaine...@yahoo.com
> Since I've totally neglected following drum corps for the last 10 years
> and just started following everything again this year, I have missed a
> lot!!
>
> to present)? I can't believe that they are gone forever. One of the
> guys I used to march with told me that they (two-seven) had a reunion at
> the Boston Finals in 1994.
>
> opener. They were awesome...what happened?? Are they just inactive?
>
> Thanks for any replies.
>
> Later.
>
> Matt Dillon
> '82-'83 Valley Fever
> '84 Blue Devils