1999 Cadets of Bergen County Program
MJPUDSTER
>From: ye...@yea.org
>Along with Cadets' Director George
>Hopkins, the team has begun work in preparation for a new season, and a new
>contingent of students.
Students?????????
"Could this planet be some other planet's hell?"
ye...@yea.org
from their Seventh World Championship, will join the world during the Summer
of 1999 with a celebration of the life and music of the great American
composer Aaron Copland. Performing a new adaptation of Copland's
masterpiece, "Appalachian Spring," the Cadets will draw from their
championship program of 1987 to provide inspiration for a new and effective
approach to this year's field production. "Although 1987 was a wonderful
performance, there is always a fresh approach, a slight variation, a unique
twist that can make this rendition more memorable than all others. This is in
fact the challenge we set for ourselves," states Marc Sylvester, program
consultant and past drill designer for the Cadets. The staff for the 1999
season is more or less unchanged from the 1998 World Championship Design Team
with Tom Aungst , Don van Doren, Jay Bocook, Jeff Sacktig, and April Gilligan
chairing their respective captions. Along with Cadets' Director George
Hopkins, the team has begun work in preparation for a new season, and a new
of the Cadets was nine years old and many of our current students were just
entering kindergarten. The opportunity to give to these students the chance
to experience the joy of this selection, and in the year of Copland's
centennial birthday no less,is something we do not want to pass up." The
Cadets rehearsals begin with the YEA! International Audition over the weekend
of November 20-22 in Lakeland, NJ. The first Cadets weekend for returning
corps veterans will be December 4-6 in Teterboro, NJ which will also mark the
corps Championship Banquet. The Cadets are a program offering of YEA! The
mission of YEA! is to support the development of young people into
magnificent human beings through their participation in the performing arts.
YEA! operates as a non-profit 501 (3c) organization. Other program
offerings of YEA! include Carolina Crown, the Crossmen and the US Scholastic
Band Association. More information on YEA! and the Cadets can be obtained by
calling 201.384.8822 or on the web at www.yea.org. The Cadets can be
reached at their e-mail addresses: cad...@yea.org. You can contact YEA! on
this or any other subject at ye...@yea.org.
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Cell1jeff
i knew this show was coming someday...wet side came back as did mass
Jeff Wise
or February, does this mean that Crown or Magic will be playing
Appalachian Spring this year?
Jeff Wise
--thinking Cadets are really looking at playing the Chamber music of
Eric Ewanzen
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LL008
>--thinking Cadets are really looking at playing the Chamber music of
>Eric Ewanzen
Uhh...who the hell is that?
Stephen
Carolina Crown 97
Bayou City Blues 98
SISBKING
YES!!!! I'M MARCHING!!!!!! AWESOME! ya gotta love Appalachian Spring,
folks....great piece of Americana.
FrankAreMe
>Students?????????
yep, didn't you know there's no such thing as a corps member or a marching
member anymore???
btw, has anyone else noticed that the Cadets, despite being led by George "I'm
no fan of competition" Hopkins, always seem to let everyone know they won last
year??
Frank
HTGJLG
>From: frank...@aol.com (FrankAreMe)
>Date: 9/29/98 5:58 AM Central Daylight Time
>Message-id: <19980929065846...@ng89.aol.com>
>btw, has anyone else noticed that the Cadets, despite being led by George
>"I'm
>no fan of competition" Hopkins, always seem to let everyone know they won
>last
>year??
>
>Frank
It's called manipulation. He is a master.
Herb Gatwood
GUARDGUY
FrankAreMe wrote:
> >Students?????????
>
> yep, didn't you know there's no such thing as a corps member or a marching
> member anymore???
>
Cell1jeff
they won?
(sorry i had to do it)
Robert Brown
>contingent of students. Hopkins notes, "Twelve years ago, the oldest
member
>of the Cadets was nine years old and many of our current students were just
>entering kindergarten.
Twelve years ago the Cadets had members, today they are students. What is
the curriculum for these students? I expect NOTINSTEP to be calling for
teaching credentials now that there are students at the YEA(H) University of
the Cadets.
Rob
Former member of a drum corps.
Robert Brown
>
>yep, didn't you know there's no such thing as a corps member or a marching
>member anymore???
>
>
>btw, has anyone else noticed that the Cadets, despite being led by George
"I'm
>no fan of competition" Hopkins, always seem to let everyone know they won
last
>year??
>
Do these students have to compete for spots? Is the competition, oops
sorry, audition for spots based on team work, or individual ability?
Rob
(I see an "I" in individual)
FrankAreMe
>Twelve years ago the Cadets had members, today they are students. What is
>the curriculum for these students? I expect NOTINSTEP to be calling for
>teaching credentials now that there are students at the YEA(H) University of
>the Cadets.
>
>
>Rob
>Former member of a drum corps.
>
>
A parallel--in Madison right now, the "trained" teachers are having a hissy
about tutors helping kids with reading, saying they aren't properly trained and
don't have the credentials to do so.
Frank
WestVaHick
yeapr wrote the following:
> The opportunity to give to these students the chance
>to experience the joy of this selection, and in the year of Copland's
>centennial birthday no less,is something we do not want to pass up."
Hmmmm, interesting, seeing that Copland was born in 1900, not 1899.
Mark Fosdick
Mark Fosdick
FrankAreMe wrote in message <19980929065846...@ng89.aol.com>...
>
>>Students?????????
>
>yep, didn't you know there's no such thing as a corps member or a marching
>member anymore???
>
>
>btw, has anyone else noticed that the Cadets, despite being led by George
"I'm
>no fan of competition" Hopkins, always seem to let everyone know they won
last
>year??
>
>Frank
Nikk Pilato
> yeapr wrote the following:
What's funnier is that no one can ever get it right. One of my professors
swore it was 1910. The CD jacket of one of my recordings says 1906! A
dissertation I am reviewing says 1905. Aaron Copland was born in 1900.
He died just a few blocks from my house (when i used to live in Boca
Raton) at the ripe old age of 90.
+++++++++++
Nikk Pilato
Center for Music Research
Florida State University
LarryP1414
> Hmmmm, interesting, seeing that Copland was born in 1900, not 1899.
Nikk Pilato wrote:
What's funnier is that no one can ever get it right. One of my professors
swore it was 1910. The CD jacket of one of my recordings says 1906! A
dissertation I am reviewing says 1905. Aaron Copland was born in 1900.
He died just a few blocks from my house (when i used to live in Boca
Raton) at the ripe old age of 90.
Oh! you mean THAT Aaron Copland!!
Terri Dittrich
>
> WestVaHick <westv...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > yeapr wrote the following:
>
> > > The opportunity to give to these students the chance
> > >to experience the joy of this selection, and in the year of Copland's
> > >centennial birthday no less,is something we do not want to pass up."
>
>
> swore it was 1910. The CD jacket of one of my recordings says 1906! A
> dissertation I am reviewing says 1905. Aaron Copland was born in 1900.
> He died just a few blocks from my house (when i used to live in Boca
> Raton) at the ripe old age of 90.
>
> Nikk Pilato
> Center for Music Research
> Florida State University
November 14, 1900. I know because his birthday is the day after mine,
but he was born 57 years earlier, of course. :-)
-Terri
FrankAreMe
>November 14, 1900. I know because his birthday is the day after mine,
>but he was born 57 years earlier, of course. :-)
>
>-Terri
So now, not only doesn't George know history (the false claim that the Cadets
are the oldest corps in the country), he doesn't know math!
Or maybe they really are going to pawn it off to one of their lesser corps and
they play "Undiscovered Copeland Part Two" in 2000, Copelands REAL 100th
birthday.
Frank
BassClef69
Hey Frank,
First off, its Copland. Secondly, stop bashing the Cadets.
DATA6453
>First off, its Copland. Secondly, stop bashing the Cadets.
>
Third, its going to be freaking awesome!
Michael Del Corso
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NOLA Kent
yearpr wrote:
>Performing a new adaptation of Copland's<BR>
>masterpiece, "Appalachian Spring," the Cadets will draw from
<snip>
Oh, thank God the Cadets are returning to music that we hear every other year
or so! Is this the one where we all yell "BEEF!!!" at the end??? <irony off>
Kent
FrankAreMe
>Hey Frank,
>
>First off, its Copland. Secondly, stop bashing the Cadets.
My apologies then to a true master--Copland, not Hopkins. Second, just where
did I bash--(which seems to be the term used by people who like Hopkins when
they read opinions that don't favor their hero)--the Cadets??? I never have.
Now Hopkins, YEA$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and people like you yes who think, for some
repulsive reason, that Lord George can actually save drum corps.
It's not my fault George can't see that 1999-1900=99 and not 100. It's not my
fault that George calls his corps the oldest in the country despite that there
are several many years older--they dont' count though because their from the
midwest.
You YEA$$$$$$$$$$$ people are really something, you remind me so much of
Clinton administration spin doctors it's pathetic.
Frank
Contra4Evr
Frank..how would you feel if people started bashing your precious Madison
corps, huh? You;re such a hypocrit....perhaps it is time to move on, ya think?
You know who this is...FLAME AWAY!
FrankAreMe
Well Leah, for one thing, I don't have a precious Madison corps. Number two
Leah, I have posted things on here and to them that I've disagreed with them
on. Number three Leah, despite my feelings on Hopkins, YEA$$$, Stewart, Gee
or anyone else associated with ANY corps, I have my own philosophy on
competition and what is good for drum corps and it's not the Madison way OR the
YEA$$$ way. Believe or not, there are other ways than those two.
geo...@worldchat.com
>
>>Hey Frank,
>>
>>First off, its Copland. Secondly, stop bashing the Cadets.
>
>My apologies then to a true master--Copland, not Hopkins. Second, just where
>did I bash--(which seems to be the term used by people who like Hopkins when
>they read opinions that don't favor their hero)--the Cadets??? I never have.
>Now Hopkins, YEA$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and people like you yes who think, for some
>repulsive reason, that Lord George can actually save drum corps.
>
>It's not my fault George can't see that 1999-1900=99 and not 100.
Frank, Try this.
Put your two hands out in front of you, palms facing you, and count,
starting with your left hand thumb, the years 1900 through to 1999.
You might be surprised to find that the total is 100.
Geoff
FrankAreMe
>he years 1900 through to 1999.
>You might be surprised to find that the total is 100.
>
>Geoff
Yes Geoffy I know that, but, and let's use you as an example
here....1998-1996=2
See???
But if you go 1996, 1997, 1998 then you get three! Wow how about that!
Funny how that works isn't it?
LG523
Sorry Geoff, but that logic is, eh, well, incorrect. Unless when you are born,
you are already 1 year old, this is wrong. We, meaning this particular
culture, celebrate our birthday year following the year lived, e.g., after
having lived one year, we celebrate the first birthday. Not caring one way or
the other about the Copland issue, I do recognize that the man would be 99
next year.
FrankAreMe
Isn't math just weird sometimes??? :)
Frank
Robert Brown
>Sorry Geoff, but that logic is, eh, well, incorrect. Unless when you are
born,
>you are already 1 year old, this is wrong.
If Copland was born in China then he's one from the get-go. His name
doesn't sound Chinese, so I think 99-90 = 99 is the correct answer.
You need to revisit your discreet mathmatics book to see when it is
appropriate to use the x - y + 1 = ? formula.
Rob
Nikk Pilato
> Or maybe they really are going to pawn it off to one of their lesser corps and
> they play "Undiscovered Copeland Part Two" in 2000, Copelands REAL 100th
> birthday.
I find it funny that you use the term "Undiscovered Copland." One of my
first articles for DCW was titled "DCI in the Year 2000." I had George
and company playing "Undiscovered Copland." So he beat me by a
year...still pretty uncanny.
FrankAreMe
>I find it funny that you use the term "Undiscovered Copland." One of my
>first articles for DCW was titled "DCI in the Year 2000." I had George
>and company playing "Undiscovered Copland." So he beat me by a
>year...still pretty uncanny.
>
>
>+++++++++++
>Nikk Pilato
>Center for Music Research
>Florida State University
Wow! GMTA??? :)
Frank
Tim Coffey
From the BEGINNING of the year 1900, to the END of the year 1999 is one
hundred years.
Hey, let`s debate when the next millenium REALLY starts.
Hint: You will already be a year into NO ELECTRICITY, NO FOOD, etc,
from Y2K when the millenium actually begins.
Tim Coffey
Jeff Wise
thread thanks to Professor Stephen Jay Gould. Those of you who
don't know Gould, he is either an anthropoligist or something
similar to that. Anyhow, he has written for years, essays for
some magazines that are routinely grouped in books, which have
sold quite well.
Anyhow, one of his essays dealt with this issue of the new
milennium and how the majority of the population believes
(wrongly) that the year 2000 will start the 21st century. In
debunking this belief, he ventured on a sidebar that investigated
how this all started.
It's been a while since I read this particular story, so I will
probably mess up some of the details, anyhow...
It seems that somewhere around the 5th century (or so) the big
important folks in the Catholic church were interested in knowing
precisely how long it had been since Jesus' birth. The
conscripted a monk to do the research.
After some time, the monk concluded the year was 600-something (I
think my years and centuries could be off). However, he made one
fatal error in his logic.
He counted the year of Jesus' birth as Year 1, not Year 0.
This mistake was not discovered for a very, very long time - too
late, I guess, to make global changes to the calendars of the
world.
In deftly bringing this little gem back together with his
original essay premise, Gould found the wonderful irony in that
come December 31st, 1999 most of the world will be partying (like
it was 1999) to ring in the 21st century. This should be wrong
because the next century will not truly begin until January 1st,
2001.
But because of a simple arithmetic error by one solitary monk,
many centuries ago, the celebrations into the Year 2000 will
actually be correct.
Jeff Wise
Jason Parsons
the one where you yelled BEEF was the Hoe Down from Rodeo, a different
Copland piece. The orchestral Appalachian Spring is about a 25 minutes
long, so they should have plenty of new material to surprise you with.
Jason Parsons
jason....@erols.com
"If you're playing football, I'll kiss my own ass" - Ray Rhodes, to an
errant Eagle
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Mike New
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Nikk Pilato wrote:
> FrankAreMe <frank...@aol.com> wrote:
> > Or maybe they really are going to pawn it off to one of their lesser corps and
> > they play "Undiscovered Copeland Part Two" in 2000, Copelands REAL 100th
> > birthday.
>
MaureenGreene
>
> >>Hey Frank,
> >>
> >>First off, its Copland. Secondly, stop bashing the Cadets.
> >It's not my fault George can't see that 1999-1900=99 and not 100.
>
> Frank, Try this.
>
> Put your two hands out in front of you, palms facing you, and count,
> starting with your left hand thumb, the years 1900 through to 1999.
> You might be surprised to find that the total is 100.
>
> Geoff
>
This works if we are born at 1 year old. Since it takes us a full year
to get there, if you were born in 1900 and lived to 1999, you would be
99, despite the fact that your life passed through 100 different years,
you don't hit a year until 365 more days elapse.
ss
the start of this whatever we call the performances of today...(not that that's an
insult just can't figure out what the heck corps are doing now).. You see IMHO
...RPH still had a lot of crowd reaction spots..(that the crowd could relate
too...or anticipate)...
These past few years...(not to pick on CBC)...I just am not seeing the crowd go
(WOOO) as much or even when they are supposed too...what's even wierder...Half the
time the crowd doesn't even know when the show is actually over. It's a weird
feeling watching the crowd wondering if that's it or there's more.
Sorry about the tangent...RPH...LOVE IT BIG TIME!!!...that's for the idea for my
next record shop trip...(ooops cd store)....
Steve Schimer
NOLA Kent wrote:
> Nikk,
>
> Thanks for the imput of Nelson's (composer of Rocky Point Holiday) reaction to
> the arrangement that Garfield performed...very interesting. I loved Garfield's
> performance of RPH, but, I'll admit, I haven't listened to the original
> arrangement. Now you've peaked my curiosity; I plan to buy a CD of RPH as soon
> as I can get to the record store.
>
> Kent
Luis M Sanchez
birth around the 5th or 6th century, they were actually off by 4-5 years.
This has since been discovered due to our modern accurate dating
techniques but obviously would cause more trouble than good to go a
correct anno domini year system.
Taco Sanchez
Glassmen Top Bass
University of Michigan Marching and Hockey Band Snaredrummer
NOLA Kent
<Jason replied seriously to my previous message>
Jason, thank you for your reply, but I do realize that "BEEF!" was not yelled
during Appalachian Spring. You obviously didn't see that I labled my post with
<irony off> at the end. To make it clear for you, I would not be excited to
hear yet another re-hash of Appalachian Spring. I could watch SCV's version
over and over on video (loved it), but would just as soon not hear it (or West
Side Story) redone for the umpteenth time. However, I'd have no trouble at all
with Cadets performing Rocky Point Holiday again...it is one of my all-time
favorite openers (and is strongly identified with the Cadets/Garfield).
Kent
Cadets98
>
>Since Cadets seem to *always* change their program decisions in January
>or February, does this mean that Crown or Magic will be playing
>Appalachian Spring this year?
>
I ahve to laugh at that one
Derek Gipson
Expressions 89-90
Southwind 92-93
CBC 94-96, 98
Cadets98
>are several many years older--they dont' count though because their from the
>midwest.
>
Frank, Cadets are the oldest continually operating drum corps. I think that
most people would agree that that would be semantically acceptable to simply
call it the oldest without including all the gobbly gook. Besides I am sure
that the oldest non-continually operating drum corps is some no name like the
Racine Scouts or somebody
Derek Gipson
Expression 89-90
Cadets98
>
>You YEA$$$$$$$$$$$ people are really something, you remind me so much of
>Clinton administration spin doctors it's pathetic.
>
First you attack teachers, then YEA, then Clinton. Are you in the Idaho
militia, or the freemen or something?
Cadets98
>However, I'd have no trouble at all
>with Cadets performing Rocky Point Holiday again...it is one of my all-time
Redoing Rocky Point would definately kick @ss
Derek
Expression 89-90
Southwind 92-93
Cadets 94-96, 98
MJPUDSTER
>From: cade...@aol.com (Cadets98
>Frank, Cadets are the oldest continually operating drum corps. I think that
>most people would agree that that would be semantically acceptable to simply
>call it the oldest without including all the gobbly gook. Besides I am sure
>that the oldest non-continually operating drum corps is some no name like the
>Racine Scouts or somebody
>
>Derek Gipson
>Expression 89-90
>Southwind 92-93
>CBC 94-96, 98
>
>
Real nice comment, Derek.
Mike
"Could this planet be some other planet's hell?"
FrankAreMe
>Redoing Rocky Point would definately kick @ss
>
>Derek
>Expression 89-90
>Southwind 92-93
>Cadets 94-96, 98
Great piece, Cadets version much better than the original composition--but if
it's done again, would Nelson (the composer) get all bent out of shape again?
FrankAreMe
>Frank, Cadets are the oldest continually operating drum corps
ahhh I see, so then they should say it that way
BUT....during DCI's 25th Anniversary, didn't Drum Corps World salute on the
cover one issue, the open class DCI Champions? I believe they did. And, they
were listed like this:
Anahiem Kingsmen
Santa Clara Vanguard
Madison Scouts
Blue Devils
Garfield Cadets
Cadets of Bergen County
Star of Indiana
Cavaliers
Phantom Regiment
Seems strange that they split the Cadets into two corps doesn't it? I never
asked why that was but I do remember that.
>Besides I am sure
>that the oldest non-continually operating drum corps is some no name like the
>Racine Scouts or somebody
So, just because a corps isn't open class they're a no name? I bet you just
loved it when your former corps (Expressions) was referred to as that didn't
you? Gave you goose bumps all over didn't it?
No corps is a no name. I do remember back in the 60's for a few years when
Racine Scouts were wiping the field with the Cadets, yes that's right, there
were years when they were in finals and not the Cadets. How about that?
Frank
FrankAreMe
>First you attack teachers, then YEA, then Clinton. Are you in the Idaho
>militia, or the freemen or something?
Derek you have gone off the deep end. Where did I attack teachers?? No where.
YEA?? Yes, all the time.
Clinton--you REALLY REALLY REALLY believe that someone who isn't a Clinton
supporter is a militia member?? If you do, you have a lot to learn kid.
Nikk Pilato
> Great piece, Cadets version much better than the original composition--but if
> it's done again, would Nelson (the composer) get all bent out of shape again?
I'm sorry....Cadets' version better than the original? I have to
strongly disagree. In my humble opinion (OPINION), the Cadets' version
quite simply sucks monkey balls. The original version, if performed
correctly, kicks ass.
As for Dr. Nelson, I had the chance to speak with him a few years
ago, and I asked him about the incident. His problem was not with a corps
playing his music. His problem was with the way it was arranged. He
didn't like the fact that Bernstein's Mass was thrown in the middle, and
he simply didn't like the way it was arranged. I am inclined to agree. I
know that the limitations of the bugles back then played a factor, but
there is no excuse for writing the main theme down a third for one very
specific section, while the rest of the arrangement is not. It was very
out-of-place, and I don't blame Dr. Nelson for getting pissy. You compose
something and watch it get slaughtered and see how you like it.
Other than that, I would like to see an updated version of the
work, if only to correct the "mistales" (in my opinion) that were made the
first (and second) time around.
LL008
>Besides I am sure
>that the oldest non-continually operating drum corps is some no name like the
>Racine Scouts or somebody
Man, that was about the stupidest comment I've seen in a long time. Are you
really this stupid, or are you just smokin crack?
Stephen
Carolina Crown 97
Bayou City Blues 98
FrankAreMe
Nikk wrote:
>I'm sorry....Cadets' version better than the original? I have to
>strongly disagree.
It's ok, I feel that way about lots of band compositions that have been
arranged for corps--I usually find the corps versions more exciting. But
that's me.
>As for Dr. Nelson, I had the chance to speak with him a few years
>ago, and I asked him about the incident. His problem was not with a corps
>playing his music. His problem was with the way it was arranged
Ok, never heard that part of the story before. I just heard he was quite
enraged about the fact that one of his composistions was being destroyed by a
drum corps!
Frank
NOLA Kent
Nikk Pilato
> Nikk,
You may not have much luck finding it....although I *do* know it has been
recorded by the Dallas Wind Symphony conducted by Jerry Junkin. Perhaps
the store can order it for you.
mik...@my-dejanews.com
frank...@aol.com (FrankAreMe) wrote:
>
> Nikk wrote:
>
> >As for Dr. Nelson, I had the chance to speak with him a few years
> >ago, and I asked him about the incident. His problem was not with a corps
> >playing his music. His problem was with the way it was arranged
>
> Ok, never heard that part of the story before. I just heard he was quite
> enraged about the fact that one of his composistions was being destroyed by a
> drum corps!
>
Well, it looks like you are both right. Dr. Nelson was enraged that a corps
did destroy his music because it was arranged poorly, to his way of thinking.
Mike
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> >strongly disagree.
>
> It's ok, I feel that way about lots of band compositions that have been
> arranged for corps--I usually find the corps versions more exciting.
Hhhhmmmm....I can't think of a single piece where the corps version is better
than the original. Oops, yes I can. "Ice Castles". Ugh! :-)
> But that's me.
>
True. :-)
NOLA Kent
Nikk Pilato <pila...@cmr.fsu.edu> wrote (regarding the original arrangement of
Rocky Point Holiday):
>You may not have much luck finding it....although I *do* know it has been<BR>
>recorded by the Dallas Wind Symphony conducted by Jerry Junkin. Perhaps<BR>
>the store can order it for you.<BR>
Thanks, Nikk, I'll definitely check it out. This info will certainly make my
search much easier. I'll let you know when I get it.
Kent
Pandypb
Is the original version more like the BK 96 opener??? I haven't heard the
original, just the Cadets 8? and BK 96.
KBanks74
So what if we are proud. Some of us have gotten enough silver to give the
entire corps a full set of braces.
Carrie Banks
Cadets 95-98
Frank Rachel
Jason Parsons wrote in message <6v14im$28h$1...@winter.news.erols.com>...
>Umm. . . actually they haven't played Appalachian Spring since 1987, and
no,
>the one where you yelled BEEF was the Hoe Down from Rodeo, a different
>Copland piece. The orchestral Appalachian Spring is about a 25 minutes
>long, so they should have plenty of new material to surprise you with.
>
Actually, if you rip the "slow" parts out of Appalachian spring, which don't
really fit well on the field for more than a minute or so of music, you end
up with about 15 minutes of good stuff, which is pretty much what we started
with in 1987 (I still have the lead soprano music if anyone is interested)..
BassClef69
We all need to chill out. Who cares what YEA does? Let's talk about awesome
Drum Corps.
Cadets are awesome no matter what. Blue Devils Rock, and Ill always be a
Phantom fan. I don't care where I march or what place they come into Ill always
be supporting the Phantom Regiment.
BassClef69
lol -- Rocky Point Holiday -- Im not laughing because it is a bad piece, it is
AMAZING. I just have played it sooo many time. From High School Band, to
Marching Band to Districts, Regionals, and what-not. Hey, guess that would be
good for my Cadets audition since I know it like the back of my hand. One
suggestion, let the Contras play the astanato at the clockworks section. Would
prove their worth! yeah baby!
~ Just some contra player
James Michael Perdue
>
> Hhhhmmmm....I can't think of a single piece where the corps version is
better
> than the original. Oops, yes I can. "Ice Castles". Ugh! :-)
we're marching ice castles at school this year... ew.
-jmp
Martin McIsaac
>
> We all need to chill out. Who cares what YEA does?
I think this is exactly what YEA hopes today's participants will do,
ignore them. While individuals concern themselves with their own corps
and their immediate involvement, YEA is rapidly changing the operating
model of the entire activity. Allowed to continue their monopolistic
practices unquestioned and unchecked, next year's national auditions,
will barely cause a ripple. They'll continue to write the procedures for
anyone considering participation. A future scenario could very well see
YEA controling evey aspect of DC. This would include instrumentation,
individual costs, programing, rules, transportation etc. etc.....
Let's talk about awesome
> Drum Corps.
> Cadets are awesome no matter what.
The Cadets are awesome and have been for many years. The Cadets though,
are not YEA. The Cadets are the vehicle that YEA/George is using to
establishing his bonafides to far more lucrative market, bands. What
better way to control the ENTIRE marching music scene than to meld the
two activities. When you control arguably the best DC, the entire
instructional establishment and have such a huge influence on the
judging community, the day will surely come when you might as well just
send all checks and money orders to YEA c.o. Hoppy. That day will come
more sooner than later if George is allowed to operate w/o checks or
balances.
Marty McIsaac
Bert F. Barnes III
I have the CD, It is entitled:
Holidays and Epiphanies
... the music of Ron Nelson
World Premiere Recordings by the Dallas Wind Symphony, conducted by Jerry
Junkin.
Includes the following selections:
Rocky Point Holiday
Sonoran Desert Holiday (Don't know if this has ever been done on the
field but would make a great piece)
Passacaglia **
Courtly Airs and Dances
Lauds (Praise High Day)
Aspen Jubilee
Chaconne (Im Memoriam...)
Epiphanies (Fanfares and Chorales) **
** Conducted by Ron Nelson
© 1996 Reference Recordings®
Box 77225X San Fransico, CA 94107
Call 1-800-336-8866 for a free Catalogue
Bert F. Barnes III
Cadets of Bergen County 1989-90
US Navy 1991-97
Syracuse Brigadiers 1997-98
Mark Fosdick
Mark Fosdick
Nikk Pilato wrote in message <6v30ch$l3v$3...@news.fsu.edu>...
>FrankAreMe <frank...@aol.com> wrote:
>> Great piece, Cadets version much better than the original
composition--but if
>> it's done again, would Nelson (the composer) get all bent out of shape
again?
>
>
> I'm sorry....Cadets' version better than the original? I have to
>strongly disagree. In my humble opinion (OPINION), the Cadets' version
>quite simply sucks monkey balls. The original version, if performed
>correctly, kicks ass.
>
> As for Dr. Nelson, I had the chance to speak with him a few years
>ago, and I asked him about the incident. His problem was not with a corps
>playing his music. His problem was with the way it was arranged. He
>didn't like the fact that Bernstein's Mass was thrown in the middle, and
>he simply didn't like the way it was arranged. I am inclined to agree. I
>know that the limitations of the bugles back then played a factor, but
>there is no excuse for writing the main theme down a third for one very
>specific section, while the rest of the arrangement is not. It was very
>out-of-place, and I don't blame Dr. Nelson for getting pissy. You compose
>something and watch it get slaughtered and see how you like it.
>
> Other than that, I would like to see an updated version of the
>work, if only to correct the "mistales" (in my opinion) that were made the
>first (and second) time around.
>
FrankAreMe
>We all need to chill out.
We try to chill out. Then suddenly some bozo defines militia membership as one
who attacks teachers, YEA$$ and Clinton.
>Who cares what YEA does?
Look at the above, that definition came from a member of the Cadets which are
the headline corps of YEA$$. Just what kind of indoctrination is Lord George
giving these kids if they really believe that crap that Mr. Cadets98 said?
>Cadets are awesome no matter what.
Yes they are, I just wish people would talk more about their music for a change
instead of how fast their drill is and how many people fall per show because
of it.
BassClef69
Man, you guys are HARSH. Prozac much? Start a YEA Bashing Message Board or
something. It's a lot of what this Board is made of, and its bs.
WCobra79
I say go Cadets....they should be proud. If any one elses corps won they would
be damn proud. I know I'd be proud if I won a ring with my corps. Why
shouldn't they be proud?
Chris Pierceall
Phantom Regiment 97,98,__,__
ss
It is also on RR904...a sampler
Not available in The Wall...or at Record Town.
You may call 1-800-336-8866
Ask for Marsha
The group is Dallas Wind Symphony ...Epiphanies. ...the music of Ron Nelson.
You may also e-mail them at rr...@aol.com...
web page is referencerecordings.com
Steve "Classic Rock morning jock" Schimer
Jeff Wise wrote:
> CD Now has an orchestral sampler that includes, apparently, part of RPH by Junkin
> and the Dallas Wind Symphony, but that's all I found.
>
> Jeff Wise
>
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Jeff Wise
WMWindsor
NOLAKent, Nikk Pilato, and Jeff Wise wrote about the original arrangement of
Rocky Point Holiday.
A couple of years ago I bought two CDs from Mark Custom Recording Service,
10815 Bodine Rd., Clarence, NY, 14031. One was "In Concert with the Univ. of
Illinois Symphonic Band, Recording #127." Not only does it contain "Rocky
Point" (6 minutes), it also has such corps favorites as "Peterloo" (M. Arnold),
"Heroes, Lost and Fallen" (Gillingham), Danza Final from "Estancia"
(Ginastera), and "Irish Tune from County Derry" (the Grainger arrangement of
"Danny Boy." If you're a fan of Cavies, Garfield, Lancers, or Phantom (and who
isn't?), it's a great CD.
The other CD is the "Symphonic Wind Music of David Holsinger, Vol. 1." It has
the U of I band, the U. of Arkansas Wind Ensemble, the Air Force Band, and the
U. of N. Texas Band, and includes Liturgical Dances ('87 Cavies) and "To Tame
the Perilous Skies" ('92 Cadets). BTW, I am told that Holsinger came to see
the Cavaliers practice in Texas during the '97 season and remarked that he
liked their arrangement better. So do I. Mr. H. sounds a lot easier going
than Mr. Nelson.
"Liturgical Dances" is one of the great underrated closers, IMO. The big
opening build just rips your face off!
Funken98
And that is EXACTLY what it is all about!!!
nicely said!!!
Ken Close
Cadet Guard hopeful '99
Timothy Mena
> are the oldest corps in the country), he doesn't know math!
It is the oldest corps still running.
mik...@my-dejanews.com
John Caspers
> > So now, not only doesn't George know history (the false claim that the Cadets
> > are the oldest corps in the country), he doesn't know math!
Then Timothy Mena wrote:
> It is the oldest corps still running.
Sorry Tim, but it looks like you also need a history
lesson on this subject.
The oldest continuously competing junior corps is:
THE RACINE SCOUTS from Racine, WI - founded in 1927.
The oldest continuously competing senior corps is:
THE GOVERNAIRES from St. Peter, MN - founded in 1926.
There are other corps that exist today that are also
older than Cadets, such as the DECORAH KILTIES (also
founded in the 1920's, but only recently entering
into competition).
FACT: All of the above corps are older than Cadets.
This fact is well documented. Any claims to the
contrary are false.
John Caspers
Alum: Racine Scouts (founded 1927)
Alum: Racine Boys of 76 (founded 1917)
Member: Racine Kilties (founded 1934)