National Dream Contest
Glen Johnson
You PROBABLY have to be, oh, I suppose at least in your mid thirties to
have personal recollection of what I'm talking about, but anyway, there is
little room for doubt that the greatest drum & bugle corps show of all time
was The National Dream Contest.
Bear with me while I give a brief history of "The Dream"....
This show was founded in 1949 by Michael H. Petrone, and Fr. Edward Wojtycha.
The corps behind the operation was St. Vincent's Cadets of Bayonne, NJ. The
first Dream was held indoors at the Jersey City Armory because the weather was
lousy. The following year, the show debuted at Roosevelt Stadium in Jersey
City, and became an institution. The last Dream at Roosevelt was in 1980; the
stadium was in terrible shape, and the bulldozers took what had become the
world drum corps shrine away shortly thereafter. The show lived for two more
years at Giants Stadium in East Rutherford NJ, and finally at Rutgers
University. The Dream fell silent in 1982, and thus ended probably the
greatest chapter in history this activity has ever known.
For most of its history, it was a dual show. A junior corps contest followed
by a senior contest. The Dream featured some of the greatest drum corps of all
time. Reilly Raiders, Holy Name Cadets, (whom we all know and love as the
Cadets of Bergen County today), New York Skyliners, Hawthorne Caballeros,
Blessed Sacrament Golden Knights, 27th Lancers, Racine Kilties, St. Lucy's
Cadets, Boston Crusaders, Archer-Epler Musketeers, Blue Rock, Connecticut
Hurricanes, Bayonne Bridgemen, Hawthorne Muchachos, The Crossmen,
Yankee-Rebels, the list is HUGE, I couldn't possibly list all the corps that
performed in the blazing heat of that baseball stadium.
I spent most of the 1970's as a kid in the stands. We never missed that show.
You just didn't miss it. And I was honored to be able to march in the last
Dream contest in Jersey City with the New York Skyliners in 1980.
And now, it is my GREAT honor to OFFICIALLY announce, that The National Dream
Contest will return to the field on July 3, 1999. Tentatively scheduled for
Montclair, NJ, we hope to make the 50th Anniversary National Dream Contest an
event to remember. This Dream will be dedicated to Mickey Petrone and Fr.
Wojtycha; the event's co-founders back in 1949; the men who gave us five
decades of Dream memories. Fr. Wojtycha is retired now, and we all know that
Mr. Petrone serves as president of Drum Corps Associates.
The 50th Anniversary National Dream Contest Committee is as follows:
Glen Johnson - Chairman
Scott Yaniga - Business Mgr
Don Solinger
Dave Barth
Sooooo ... that's about it for now. You'll be hearing a lot more about The
Dream over the coming months.
You can reach us for more information at in...@dream50.com .
(Please note that dream50.com is a brand new domain name and it may be a
couple of days before it propagates to your ISP's domain name server. So, if
your email bounces, you might try again in a day or two.)
Glen Johnson
National Dream Contest
Committee Chairman
gl...@dream50.com
Wsap1980
schedule.
I too sat in the stands asa fan at the old stadium and then had the pleasure
of marching there in the mid and late 70's with the Caballeros.
Its great that this show is back...good luck with all the preparations and wish
i could be there for the event!
By the way, will this edition be a junior / senior event?
Bill
Palm City Florida
Hawthorne Cabs 75-80,88-90.
Glen Johnson
In article <19981120173233...@ng92.aol.com>, wsap...@aol.com
> By the way, will this edition be a junior / senior event?
Not this year. We are planning on having an alumni show first, followed by a
DCA contest. We may very well go to a junior/senior format in the future, but
not this time around.
Scott
> Yup. I could list every corps that ever competed in the Dream, as I do have
> that information!
Well? What are you waiting for? I love lists'.
Scott
Howie Sederquist
wrote:
Hey, Glen !
Don't forget the 4 time National Dream Contest winners:
The Saint Kevin Emerald Knights
;-}
Howie
Glen Johnson
>On Fri, 20 Nov 1998 14:11:11 GMT, gl...@dream50.com (Glen Johnson)
>wrote:
>
>Hey, Glen !
>
> Don't forget the 4 time National Dream Contest winners:
>
> The Saint Kevin Emerald Knights
Yup. I could list every corps that ever competed in the Dream, as I do have
that information!
LP1955
Bummer going to be in flordia on the third of July visiting Mickey and his
gang.would love to be in that sohw well maybe in 2000
Leo Parry
Smith and Webber Hoboken NJ 64-65
Amvent Lancers WestNewyork NJ 66-68
St. Andrews Bridgemen NJ 69-76
Skyliners Alumni 98- ?
Glen Johnson
>
> Well? What are you waiting for? I love lists'.
Ok. You asked for it.
63 drum corps competed in the National Dream Contest from 1949-1981. They are,
in alphabetical order, as follows:
27th Lancers
Archer-Epler Musketeers
Audubon Bon-Bons
Ballantine Brewers
Blessed Sacrament Golden Knights
Blue Rock
Boston Crusaders
Bracken Cavaliers
Brockport VFW
Casper Troopers
Chicago Cavaliers
Chicago Grenadiers
Connecticut Hurricanes
Crossmen
De LaSalle Cadets
Detroit VFW
Garfield Cadets
Good Counsel
Hamilton Post
Harrisburg Westshoremen
Hawthorne Caballeros
Hawthorne Muchachos
Hyde Park Crusaders
Irvington Squadron
Kilties
LaSalle Cadets
Les Diplomats
Liberty Bell Cadets
Long Island Sunrisers
Lt. Norman Prince Princemen
New York Skyliners
North Star
Norwood Park
Oregon Royal Lancers
Osmond Cadets
Our Lady of Grace
Our Lady of Loretto Knights
Paterson Cadets
Pembroke Imperials
Pittsburgh Rockets
Reading Buccaneers
Reilly Raiders
Rhode Island Matadors
Rochester Crusaders
Rochester Grey Knights
Royal Brigade
Royal-Aires
Selden Cadets
St. Andrew's Bridgemen
St. Ignatius Cadets
St. Joseph's Cadets
St. Kevin's Emerald Knights
St. Lucy's Cadets
St. Mary's Cardinals
St. Patrick's Cadets
St. Vincent's Cadets
Syracuse Brigadiers
Temple Cadets
The Thing
Upper Darby Cadets
West Reading Police Cadets
Woodbridge-Edison Saints
Yankee-Rebels
Note that some corps competed in various years under different names (i.e.
Holy Name Cadets = Garfield Cadets, St. Andrew's Bridgemen = Bayonne
Bridgemen). Those corps are only listed once under one name.
Donluvbucs
>The Thing
>Upper Darby Cadets
>West Reading Police Cadets
Wow! Way to go Glen. I printed the list and it's going right in the West
Reading scrapbook. It's not often that anyone ever mentions West Reading or the
Temple Cadets, two Reading area corps from the 50's. Thanks for the memory!
Donnie
Joe Boroden
Say hi to Scott Yaniga, we marched together in Sunrisers in late 70s/early
80s.
My favorite Dream memory: Taking bets on how many Skyliners would pass out
at the end of their show. Usually it was in the 3 - 8 range. After the last
note (and during) down they went!
My vote is 4 for FY99.
Good Luck!
Joe Boroden
Sun snare '74 - '83
6 time DCA Perc champs
AJLisko
Check the list again. The Vasella Musketeers from Philly competed in the
1964 Dream - another fine Jr. corps from PA.
Andy
Glen Johnson
OK, 1964 says Musketeers, Upper Darby PA in the junior division. I just
assumed that this was some incarnation of Archie, as Archie did not compete in
the senior division that year. The Dream records do not report a corps called
the Vasella Musketeers from Philly.
In article <19981121083037...@ng146.aol.com>, ajl...@aol.com
Glen Johnson
>Hey this is great news!
>
>Say hi to Scott Yaniga, we marched together in Sunrisers in late 70s/early
>80s.
You can reach him at sc...@dream50.com
BSteinhilb
Also the WOODSIDER'S I think were the host corp after Vinnie's. 62 i believe.
Also St RITA'S had some great shows there .
.
I have a question; Was the 1972 show at Rutgers a "DREAM" It was senior/junior
. It was a sunday afternoon in august . It was HOT and there was no Roosevelt
show that year . Just wondering
stein .
BklynMario
remember them .
I am certain that they never appeared. It is possible that your
rememberances are of the truly great Our Lady of Loretto corps.
Just joking. St.Cath's was an outstanding corps with some incredible
musicians (eg. the incomparable--by any standard/time, Billy Hightower, and the
Sasso brothers)
BTW: Does anyone out there know the whereabouts of these guys?
Dreaming about Dreams......mario
Joe Dziezawiec
Yes, it was Vasella...among their selections that year were "American
Patrol" (complete with muted sops), "Dontcha' Go Away Mad", and a real
pretty exit to the theme from "The Cardinal."
Good luck with the Dream.
Joe Dziezawiec
Fair Lawn '63
Doremus '66, '67
Glen Johnson wrote in message ...
Donluvbucs
>From: "Joe Dziezawiec" <jo...@cyberwar.com>
>Date: 11/21/98 11:49 PM !!!First Boot!!!
>Message-id: <737jdb$k22$1...@bandit.cyberwar.com>
Archie's feeder corps although some of my Archie friends still deny it:-) I
competed against them in the late 50's as a member of the West Reading Police
Cadets.
Donnie
Donnie
Donluvbucs
>musicians (eg. the incomparable--by any standard/time, Billy Hightower, and
>the
>Sasso brothers)
> BTW: Does anyone out there know the whereabouts of these guys?
> Dreaming about Dreams......mario
>
Someone told me recently that Billy Hightower was living in the Schuylkill
Haven Pa. area where he had moved years ago to teach the Belvederes. I can't
prove it and have no personal knowlege on the subject.
Are these the same Sassos who were so involved with the Sunrisers back in the
60's?
Donnie
AJLisko
>I have a question; Was the 1972 show at Rutgers a "DREAM" It was
>senior/junior
>. It was a sunday afternoon in august . It was HOT and there was no Roosevelt
>show that year . Just wondering
>
>
The Rutgers show in 72 was just another show - the Saturday night show that
weekend was in Baltimore - man was it hot at Rutgers that Sunday. The Dream in
1972 was indeed at Roosevet Stadium in Jersey City. I remember it well becuase
the Sykliners went undefeated from the Dream in 71 through the Dream in 72.
Man, what a ride we were on.
Andy Lisko
St. Raphael's/Bpt. PAL 58-68
NY Skyliners 69-81
BSteinhilb
>(BklynMario)
I don't know what ever happened to the great , and i mean great Billy
Hightower , but John Sasso was recently inducted into the drum corp hall of
fame ( 1996 ) and is the first and remains the only Sunriser in the hall of
fame . He is married and lives on Long Island .
Teddy Saaso is a successful business man and lives with his wife and children
also on Long Island . Freddy Sasso is living in Forida with his wife Gerry
and i think 2 children .
stein
BklynMario
>>My favorite Queensmen tune was Genaro's arrangement of "Black Bottom"
>Someone told me recently that Billy Hightower was living in the Schuylkill
>Haven Pa. area where he had moved years ago to teach the Belvederes. I can't
>prove it and have no personal knowlege on the subject.
>Are these the same Sassos who were so involved with the Sunrisers back in the
>60's?
mentioned, they once beat Sac--no easy task, especially in *those* days.
I'm going to check to see if I can determine Billy's whereabouts
from this info.
Thanks........Still Dreamin' .............mario
Glen Johnson
And I thought I had remembered seeing St. Rita's Brassmen and the OLPH
Ridgemen at Roosevelt. But the Dream records do not reflect this. Doesn't mean
the records are 100% accurate though.
I also have no record of any of the exhibition corps performing at various
Dreams, and I do not have the results of the 1982 Dream at Rutgers.
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JAMITOR
Great to hear that there will be a "Dream" again. I too was a kid in the stands
at Jersey City. One of the things that made it so special was that there was
both Junior and Senior corps there. I would highly recommend inviting Juniors
from around the country to participate. Maybe an Alumni corps could give an
exhibition as well.
Good luck to you, and tell everyone at Sky I say hello.
Danny Raymond Jr.
RNewman206
Wonder if you can help. I've got slides I took at the Dream, but I can't
remember what year. I think is was 1953-1955. There is one corps I can't
identify. Was there a Lincoln Park Lancers Sr. corps? In the Jr. show, I
have a slide or of two of B/S, St. Vincent, the Bon Bons, Holy Name. Seniors,
Hawthorne, Archie, Rielly, the Princemen and that unknown corps. Any idea when
these corps competed? Thanks for any info you may offer.
Bob
RNewman206
Yes they are the same. I marched with the Wanderers in the mid 60, and John
was the horn instructor. A few years latter I was with the Sunrisers for a
short period of time before I moved to Florida, and marched with both John and
Ted. Hope they are both alive and well.
Bob
AJLisko
>And I thought I had remembered seeing St. Rita's Brassmen and the OLPH
>Ridgemen at Roosevelt. But the Dream records do not reflect this. Doesn't
>mean
>the records are 100% accurate though.
>
>
Not sure about OLPH, but the Brassmen were definitely there in 73. I think
we'll have to compare notes with Bella Rosa's list and some old DCN papers to
answer some of the questions. See ya at the Christmas party on Dec 5th.
Andy
Glen Johnson
>Hey Glen,
>Wonder if you can help. I've got slides I took at the Dream, but I can't
>remember what year. I think is was 1953-1955. There is one corps I can't
>identify. Was there a Lincoln Park Lancers Sr. corps?
Well, I don't know, frankly. I was only 12 years old when I saw my first Dream
in 1973. So, if there was such a corps, it no doubt pre-dates me.
> In the Jr. show, I
>have a slide or of two of B/S, St. Vincent, the Bon Bons, Holy Name. Seniors,
>Hawthorne, Archie, Rielly, the Princemen and that unknown corps. Any idea when
>these corps competed? Thanks for any info you may offer.
Ok, Blessed Sacrament holds the record for most Dream wins by a junior
corps with 11. They appeared 1953 through 1958, then 1962 through 1971
St. Vincent's won the only Dream they ever competed in, and that was 1951.
But, you have to remember, they were running this show, and the sponsoring
corps very rarely competed in their own show. I believe it was against the
rules for a very long time.
The Bon-Bons appeared in the first Dream in 1949, again in 1952, 53, 55
through 64, and then 1973 and 74.
The Caballeros first appeared in 1950. And then they appeared in every Dream
from 1952-1980, appearing in more Dream contests than any other corps. They
did not appear in 1981 and I don't know if they did in 1982. They hold the
record for most Dream wins with 14.
Archie appeared in 1949, 1950, 1952, 1954-1963 and then didn't appear again
until 1981.
Reilly won the first in 1949, and appeared in every Dream through 1962, and
then two more years in 1964 and 1965.
The Princemen appeared in 1949, 50, 51, 55, 57, 58, 59, 60, 64, and their last
appearance was 1965.
Glen Johnson
>Hey Glenn,
>Great to hear that there will be a "Dream" again. I too was a kid in the stands
>at Jersey City. One of the things that made it so special was that there was
>both Junior and Senior corps there. I would highly recommend inviting Juniors
>from around the country to participate.
Well, unfortunately, finances prohibit that for this year.
> Maybe an Alumni corps could give an
>exhibition as well.
We plan on having MANY alumni corps at this show!
>Good luck to you, and tell everyone at Sky I say hello.
Okey Doke.
Glen Johnson
Yeah, the Brassmen do not appear in the 1973 results. I suppose its possible
they were an exhibition corps?
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Donluvbucs
>fame ( 1996 ) and is the first and remains the only Sunriser in the hall of
>fame .
Doesn't "Screech" Arientano count as a Sunriser? When you go into the HOF do
you have to choose a uniform to be inducted with as do the baseball guys or do
they just list all your corps affiliations? Just curious.
Donnie
Scott
Bridgemen. That was always a great place for a show. Nothing like the
sounds of drum corps and the smell of beer in the air.
Scott Rogerson
Glen Johnson wrote:
>
> And I thought I had remembered seeing St. Rita's Brassmen and the OLPH
> Ridgemen at Roosevelt. But the Dream records do not reflect this. Doesn't mean
Joe Dziezawiec
Glen Johnson wrote in message ...
>The Princemen appeared in 1949, 50, 51, 55, 57, 58, 59, 60, 64, and their
last
>appearance was 1965.
Glen:
And going off the field in '65 they played "Softly as I Leave you" (so did
Reilly)
That Dream contest (when you were four years old) was the one I remember
most. In addition to a super junior line-up (Blessed Sac., St. Lucy's, St.
Kevin's, Garfield) you had the first senior show missing Sky (DCA's 1st
year).
The second corps on the field was the newly merged Rochester Grey Knight/
Crusaders, a MASSIVE corps by 1965 standards. As their show progressed, the
sky (small 's' in sky) got progressively darker. There was a rumble of
thunder just before their concert (Goldfinger). The crowd got unsettled by
it. They played their production number (I Talk to the Trees) and followed
it with a drum rif that ended with a drum rumble followed by a thunder
rumble...they turned for the finish line in echelons of 3-man squads...a
cloud of dirt blew up from the famous infield skin and engulfed the corps.
We (remember we were under a roof) heard them begin "In the Still of the
Night" and a downpour drowned the dust and revealed the corps in a perfect
company front headed for that famous finish line. On my wax Fleetwood copy
of that show you can hear the crowd going bananas as the corps proceeded to
ignore the storm. I can't remember a time when my Dad and I were ever
closer (there was a roof leak over my seat!)
I'd love to post my copy of that exit so that the current Crusaders and
everyone else could enjoy it. I still play it occasionally.
Joe Dziezawiec
Fair Lawn '63
Doremus '66 & '67
>
>
>
Tom & Karen Peashey
as the lightning bounced off the light poles... but we kept our cool and it
was one of the great senior moments of all time.
We won't talk about our score that day... We handled the rain better than
the judges... fortunately, we proved for the rest of the season that we
were on of the all time greats...
1965 American Legion National Champion Grey Knight Crusaders
How's about sending me a copy of that tape??? I'd very much appreciate it.
Thanks
Tom Peashey, '65 Crusaders
Joe Dziezawiec wrote in message <739t99$e2o$1...@bandit.cyberwar.com>...
BSteinhilb
>Ridgemen at Roosevelt.
The OLPH Ridgemen never competed in the Dream although we very much wanted to .
The only time we played there was the World Open in 63 and the prelims of the
VFW's in 66 i'm speaking of course of Roosevelt Stadium .
Brassmen DID however and they were GREAT !!!!
stein
BSteinhilb
>you have to choose a uniform to be inducted with as do the baseball guys or
>do
>they just list all your corps affiliations? Just curious.
>
>Donnie
YES !!!!! He counts as a Sunriser to me . I don't think that you choose a
uniform , but your body of work in the activity . I'm really sorry , but its
been a while since his affiliation with Sunriser's . None can deny the great
work he's done with Sun and Cab's and Westshore .
stein
Donluvbucs
>Date: 11/23/98 1:38 AM !!!First Boot!!!
>Message-id: <19981122203819...@ng-fr1.aol.com>
GiordanoGS
fortunate to have won it several times with the Skyliners and also with
St. Lucy's. There was no better feeling.
Jerry Hardware
BklynMario
Scalding sun..rows of black and white garbed.nuns in the choice seats
...mounted Jersey City police...bus fumes in the parking lots..the mingled
aroma of beer, hot dogs, french fries...the rush to the rest rooms in between
corps performances...the irrepressible goose bumps when you heard the Cab
rumps..the NY sound of the Skyliners in New Jersey..."Irish Eyes"...."The King
and I"...and "Someday My Prince Will Come"...on cue rain, thunder and lighnting
as the Hurricanes were no more than fifty feet off the startuing line...the
corps that came to New Jersey allthe way from Casper-???-"Ain't that the name
of a ghost?"-Wyoming...the fainting bodies--ask Jomba about Drexler from St.V's
collapsing head first over his bass drum..the massed retreat in the dying,
humidity drenched remnants of the nearly-end-of the-season summer day...the
scores..the "this-will-last-forever" joy...the "wait-till-next-time" concealed
tears...the ride back to Brooklyn--with Pepe--and the two hour delay in the
Holland Tunnel....and next year..and this will last forever........mario
SkyAlumni
>The second corps on the field was the newly merged Rochester Grey Knight/
>Crusaders, a MASSIVE corps by 1965 standards. As their show progressed, the
>sky (small 's' in sky) got progressively darker. There was a rumble of
>thunder just before their concert (Goldfinger). The crowd got unsettled by
>it. They played their production number (I Talk to the Trees) and followed
>it with a drum rif that ended with a drum rumble followed by a thunder
>rumble...they turned for the finish line in echelons of 3-man squads...a
>cloud of dirt blew up from the famous infield skin and engulfed the corps.
>
Joe,
I have vivd memories of that day as well. It was during their echelon move
toward the finish line that a "dust devil" blew right down the center of thoses
echelons following their Honor Guard. And the tune they were playing at the
time as "Devil at Four O'Clock", the theme from the movie of the same name
starring Spencer Tracy, Frank Sinatra, Peter Lorre, etc. They were the second
Senior corps to compete that afternoon. Was it coincidence? or God trying to
help out with some extra GE. The "Dust Devil" blowing down the center of the
echelons, the name of the tune they were playing, and the time of day they were
playing it ? It was 5 minutes to four. I know 'cause I looked at my watch at
the time it all happened. After all that, I thought they won the show.
> you had the first senior show missing Sky (DCA's 1st
>year).
Interestingly enough Cabs beat the Rochester Grey Knights/Irondiquot Crusaders
(a product of one Vince Bruni, now president of the DCA World Hall of Fame, a
merger of rivals similar in scope to that of the New York Skyliners/Hawthorne
Caballeros rivalry of the same time period) at that Dream by 1.5 points I
believe. Correct me if I'm wrong Glen. The night before, in Waverly, N.Y. The
Skyliners beat Rocherster Grey Knights/Irondiquot Crusaders by the same margin.
A few weeks later the Grey Knight Crusaders defeated the Caballeros by .3 of a
point at the American Legion Nationals in Portland, Oregon (those inspections
were a killer <G>). One week later in Syracuse, N.Y. at Mitchell Stadium both
the Connecticut Hurricanes and New York Skyliners defeated the American Legion
National Champion Grey Knight/Crusaders.
Michael T. Siglow
Madonna 1953-64
Skyliners Nov. 11, 1964-70,75-78,92
Skyliners Alumni Corps Nov. 1993 til ?
Archer-Epler Musketeers 97- ?
"It's not what a person accomplishes in life that matters,
it's what a person overcomes, that's what counts."
SkyAlumni
>I've got slides I took at the Dream, but I can't
>remember what year. I think is was 1953-1955. There is one corps I can't
>identify. Was there a Lincoln Park Lancers Sr. corps?
Bob,
I thought we had already established them to be Our Lady of Grace (AKA: the
Bayway Grays, and Lincoln Park Lancers who were the ONLY Senior corps sponsored
by the Catholic Youth Organization [CYO] Kinda like the Sunrisers are the only
Senior corps sponsored by another youth group, YEA) from Hoboken, N.J.
AJLisko
>ask Jomba about Drexler from St.V's
>collapsing head first over his bass drum..
Better to ask Jomba about the time he passed out and rolled over his bass drum
while with the NY Skyliners. While he was out, flat on his back, the snare
drummer (Monk) bends over to play the closing bass drum roll !!!!
Andy
Glen Johnson
>Interestingly enough Cabs beat the Rochester Grey Knights/Irondiquot Crusaders
>(a product of one Vince Bruni, now president of the DCA World Hall of Fame, a
>merger of rivals similar in scope to that of the New York Skyliners/Hawthorne
>Caballeros rivalry of the same time period) at that Dream by 1.5 points I
>believe. Correct me if I'm wrong Glen.
1.51 :)
Tom & Karen Peashey
the worst of the wind and rain was in the exit during "I talk to the
trees"... I didn't think it got bad 'til the Goldfinger/Cubana Chant
concert. Devil was the off the line... and a great one it was.
The defeats were accurate... I'm too old and tired to argue whether they
were correct or not... It's all history now... In Portland I believe the
official spread at finals was .002 .... It might as well have been 20
points... still felt great...
Stadium in Syracuse was Mac Arthur Stadium... now the site of the new P&C
Stadium...
Tom Peashey
SkyAlumni wrote in message <19981123151727...@ng57.aol.com>...
>Interestingly enough Cabs beat the Rochester Grey Knights/Irondiquot
Crusaders
>(a product of one Vince Bruni, now president of the DCA World Hall of Fame,
a
>merger of rivals similar in scope to that of the New York
Skyliners/Hawthorne
>Caballeros rivalry of the same time period) at that Dream by 1.5 points I
>believe. Correct me if I'm wrong Glen. The night before, in Waverly, N.Y.
The
>Skyliners beat Rocherster Grey Knights/Irondiquot Crusaders by the same
margin.
>A few weeks later the Grey Knight Crusaders defeated the Caballeros by .3
of a
>point at the American Legion Nationals in Portland, Oregon (those
inspections
>were a killer <G>). One week later in Syracuse, N.Y. at Mitchell Stadium
both
>the Connecticut Hurricanes and New York Skyliners defeated the American
Legion
>National Champion Grey Knight/Crusaders.
>
BklynMario
>Better to ask Jomba about the time he passed out and rolled over his bass
>drum
>while with the NY Skyliners. While he was out, flat on his back, the snare
>drummer (Monk) bends over to play the closing bass drum roll !!!!
..I would expect no less.....the show MUST go on!!!
mario
SkyAlumni
>>Interestingly enough Cabs beat the Rochester Grey Knights/Irondiquot
>Crusaders
>>(a product of one Vince Bruni, now president of the DCA World Hall of Fame,
>a
>>merger of rivals similar in scope to that of the New York
>Skyliners/Hawthorne
>>Caballeros rivalry of the same time period) at that Dream by 1.5 points I
>>believe. Correct me if I'm wrong Glen.
>
>1.51 :)
Close enough I'd say. Thanks Glen.
Blaise Castaldo
remember holding elbow to elbow contact extra tight as we ( in Hawthorne )
were crossing the finnish line just to try and get someone in your squad
accross it so they wouldn't pass out on the field and cause a penilty
...and pity the poor person who passed out as we turned all those 3 man
squads (in 4) to play the ending rumps...(-:<g>
Blaise Castaldo
Cabs70-85
Staff 86-?
Alumni93-?
AJLisko <ajl...@aol.com> wrote in article
<19981123181701...@ng-fr1.aol.com>...
> >bklyn...@aol.com wrote:
>
> >ask Jomba about Drexler from St.V's
> >collapsing head first over his bass drum..
>
> Better to ask Jomba about the time he passed out and rolled over his bass
drum
> while with the NY Skyliners. While he was out, flat on his back, the
snare
> drummer (Monk) bends over to play the closing bass drum roll !!!!
>
> Andy
>
LEG at cba
SkyAlumni
>Now mind you guys... I would never argue with your facts, but it seems that
>the worst of the wind and rain was in the exit during "I talk to the
>trees"... I didn't think it got bad 'til the Goldfinger/Cubana Chant
>concert. Devil was the off the line... and a great one it was.
>
My apologies to Tom and Joe. You guys are correct. When I heard "Devil at Four
O'Clock" is when I looked at my watch. You started you performance at 5 minutes
to 4 that afternoon. The sky was already starting to turn dark with a sense of
impending danger. The exit, with all of that dust, just seemed to have been
"predicted" with your opening number of "Devil...". Still think you won that
Dream regardless as to what the judges say.
>Stadium in Syracuse was Mac Arthur Stadium... now the site of the new P&C
>Stadium...
>
Well, I knew it started with an "M" anyway. <G> By the way, it was at that show
that Jimmy D'Amico played the solo in "Flight of the Bumble Bee" with the
Skyliners rather then PeeWee Todaro. Hy originally arranged the number to
entice Jimmy away from Cabs. He only marched 2 shows with us that year. The
other time he played it was at the first show of the year sponsored by St.
Joe's Patron Cadets (who later became known as St. Rita's Brassmen) at
Roosevelt Stadium the Sunday of Memorial Day Weekend. We beat the
Interstatesman (with one "Butch" Richard Anderson playing soprano in their
ranks) by 8 points that day. That was my first show marching as a Skyliner and
it was the LAST time I was referred to as "rookie". <G>
Yeah, the Grey Knight Crusaders were really awesome that year. After that
Waverly show, we (Skyliners) thought you'd handle Cabs with no problem, but it
was the "Dream" and, as we used to say "In order to win the 'Dream' by a tenth,
you gotta beat the Cabs by 10 points", and that's something that is VERY
difficult to do. Of those 14 "Dream" wins by the Cabs, I'd say 9 were actual,
the rest were gifts. "Let the wars begin, I'm going into my bunker". <G>
SkyAlumni
>>Best of luck in bringing back the greatest show of my marching days. I was
>>fortunate to have won it several times with the Skyliners and also with
>>St. Lucy's. There was no better feeling.
>>
>>
>> Jerry
>>Hardware
>
>Another lurker!
And you have me to thank for showing him how to get on to RAMD. <G>
CarolleeT
>as
>Archie's feeder corps although some of my Archie friends still deny it:-)
Actually, Vasella was from South Philadelphia.
Didn't you ever notice they were practically all Italian.
Carol Pennisi Terreri
Audubon Bon Bons 59-70
Archer-Epler Alumni 96-
Tom & Karen Peashey
bunkers....
Just think of how many future Skyliners were marching with Butch and the
Interstatesmen that day. (of course Butch must have been about 14 or so???
I was only 18 and I know I was several years older than butch)
Tom Peashey
SkyAlumni wrote in message <19981124101335...@ng60.aol.com>...
>the rest were gifts. "Let the wars begin, I'm going into my bunker". <G>
Donluvbucs
>Didn't you ever notice they were practically all Italian.
>
>
>Carol Pennisi Terreri
>Audubon Bon Bons 59-70
>Archer-Epler Alumni 96-
>
kid named Anthony Bufiglio.
Donnie
CabAlum SW
1964- My first dream contest I attended when I was 12 years old. I was in awe
seeing the level of talent compared to the little street corps I marched in.
St. Lucy's,Sac,Garfield,Cabs and the Skyliners.
1966- The invasion of the Midwest. Troopers,Kilties,Royalaires and the
Cavaliers met the East powers. A gift win for BS since Cavaliers outclassed
everyone competing including the Seniors.
1968- The ultimate win for St. Lucy's. What a year!!!!!
1969- Unfortunately the last one for St. Lucy's and the debut of a new corps
called the 27th Lancers.
1970- Hawthorne Caballeros rebirth that sold me on joining the following
season.
1971- My first Dream marching with Hawthorne.
Remember sitting in stands watching Sky and getting my ears pinned back. They
deserved that win.
1972- While we didn't win the Dream that year, we were poised for a comeback a
few weeks later to win the DCA at Roosevelt Stadium
1973- Hawthorne won the Dream on its way to an undefeated season.
1974- The rain forced a cancellation of the Dream as a contest but the corps
went on in exhibition. The Cabs marched in the mud with bell bottoms and tee
shirts.
SkyAlumni
1963- After placing second, Father Woyticka (sp) accusing the New York
Skyliners of "inciting the crowd to riot" with their performance at the "Dream"
that year. Hey, how could they be blamed for the fans appreciating them more
then the Cabs that show!!! It was amazing to see all those fans actually "mob"
the Skyliners at the Retreat ceremonies. Just to touch one of them.
>1972- While we didn't win the Dream that >year, we were poised for a comeback
a few >weeks later to win the DCA at Roosevelt >Stadium.
AH YES, DCA Finals. The flick of a thumb. 3 tenths of a second causing a point
penalty. Result? A Cab win by 7 tenths of a point. Not to mention the watered
down drum parts that you worked so hard on during your excursion to
Cleveland...OOOPPPSSS, I said I wouldn't mention that. <G>
1975 - Skyliners win their last "Dream" contest. The Hawthorne Muchachos won
the Junior portion and did it with 75% of their corps wearing black "Skyliner"
tee-shirts under their whitesilk Muchacho blouses. <G>
In ALL seriousness, here's to one of the GREATEST rivalries in all of drum
corps. If it weren't for the Caballeros pushing us on to perform on a higher
level (and I'm sure a lot of them feel the same way about us) we may not have
reached the heights that we did.
CabAlum SW
>point
>penalty. Result? A Cab win by 7 tenths of a point. Not to mention the watered
>down drum parts that you worked so hard on during your excursion to
>Cleveland...OOOPPPSSS, I said I wouldn't mention that. <G>
>
At DCA Finals in 72 our M&M was exceptional..that was what beat you guys..
Watered down drum parts???? Remember Saratoga Springs??? In 73 we accomplished
what
Sky couldn't do in 72...an undefeated season..and it wasn't even close in 73...
But you are correct..it was a rivalry that matched the Yankees and Red Sox. But
there was a begudging respect between the two corps.
Glen Johnson
>And to pick up where Steve left off:
>
????
"... and in second place, with a score of 92.30 .... FATHER WOJTYCHA!!"
Hehehe. Sorry, the way you wrote that, it looks like Father Wojtycha came in
second!
SkyAlumni
>At DCA Finals in 72 our M&M was exceptional..that was what beat you guys..
>
Beg to differ, it was the flick of the thumb of the timing caption chief.
>Watered down drum parts???? Remember Saratoga Springs???
I remember!!! It was your drum line who had been getting high GE all year but
couldn't execute the book you had. Do YOU remember???? The parts WERE watered
down. Your GE mark never changed but your execution mark was points higher then
at any time during the year, and it wasn't because all of a sudden you guys
became supermen and were able to execute a show that was miles over your
collective heads. It's an old trick used by MANY corps back in those days. I
dare say it is even used today. No need to defend it, you did what you needed
to do to win. Steve, you and I have BOTH been around drum corps too long to try
and BS each other.
>In 73 we accomplished
>what
>Sky couldn't do in 72...an undefeated season..and it wasn't even close in
>73...
After the tragedy of '72 most of us were just fed up with the lack of integrity
of DCA judging and the way we were denied that undefeated season and the DCA
Championship that was taken away from us as well. There were those that never
marched again because of that injustice and those that just decided they had
had enough. '72 was also Wink's final year and a lot of people decided to hang
it up with him. That's why "it wasn't even close" Steve, not because Cabs were
that great but rather because everyone else were that bad. <G>
AJLisko
>At DCA Finals in 72 our M&M was exceptional..that was what beat you guys..
>Watered down drum parts???? Remember Saratoga Springs??? In 73 we
>accomplished
>what
>Sky couldn't do in 72...an undefeated season..and it wasn't even close in
>73...
We could banter back and forth for a lifetime about the 71-72-73-74-75 rebirth
of the rivalry between Sky and the Cabs. Fact of the matter is that here we
are 25+ years later speaking of the shows with such passion and intensity that
one would almost think it happened yesterday. Think about it from 1970 through
1976 the DCA had only two champions - New York and Hawthorne - and when one
wasn't in 1st place they were 2nd or very close. Now - that to me constitutes
a legitimate rivalry. And what it has done is allow us to totally appreciate
each other via the cordial interludes we now have as Alumni corps. Just as
back then ... the fans are the winners ... for both corps take extreme pride in
presenting the best show possible for them. The difference now is that we can
all enjoy the shows ... and not have to go to the judges meetings. I applaud
the efforts of all the Alumni corps in their efforts to practice their hobby.
Mike is right - Hawthorne made NY better and just ask Costello sometime about
his respect for NY. I'm glad there are still many of us around to continue the
rivalry/friendship. I know ... LET'S HAVE A PARTY!!!!
Happy Thanksgiving all - see ya at the "Evening With The Corps" standstill in
January.
Andy Lisko
St. Raphael's/Bpt. PAL 58-68
NY Skyliners 69-81
Donluvbucs
Think about it from 1970 through
>1976 the DCA had only two champions - New York and Hawthorne - and when one
>wasn't in 1st place they were 2nd or very close. Now - that to me
>constitutesa legitimate rivalry.
Guess who was second ('73, '74, '76) or 3rd (3X) from '72 to '77? Talk about
close but no cigar! We always felt close to that rivalry between Sky and
Hawthorne. It was terribly frustrating to not be able to get better than 2nd
during that period but as I think back it was a matter of pride that we were
always among the top three. Of course our ship finally came in in 79!
Donnie