The SCOTT STEWART Truth!!!!
DrumPaulW
Madison Scouts drum and bugle corps or by anyone associated with the Madison
Drum and Bugle Corps Association. It is merely one person's interpretation of
what is transpiring these days told by someone who thinks you deserve to know
what is happening.
What happened--
The Madison Drum and Bugle corps Association, a group of 9 people, voted to
relieve Scott Stewart of his position as executive director of the Madison Drum
and Bugle Corps Association. This was a win by majority, so it only took 5
people on the board to do this.
The board--
The board consists of nine individuals with different experiences with the
corps. Most of them have been around longer than the philosophy of performing
for the crowd. Scott Stewart gave birth to this philosophy that has been the
driving force behind the corps for about 10 years now. The 5 people on the
board who voted to remove Stewart have been with the corps longer than the
philosophy, and obviously do not believe in the same things that the corps
believes in now.
Why fire Stewart?--
The executive director of the Madison Drum and Bulge corps association is in
charge of the staffing for the corps. To change the staff of the Scouts, the
board needed to remove Stewart and replace him with someone that will hire a
staff that will do what they want. As of right now the entire staff of the
Scouts has been fired. They are to be replaced by a staff of people outside of
the corps, brought in to make the corps "win." This will be done using money
Stewart has saved up for the corps to help the activity (AKA save Southwind,
help smaller corps, etc...).
What could happen--
Most likely what would happen is that the Scout's philosophy of performing for
the crowd would be abandoned. You would no longer see the Scouts that you are
used to. You would see a corps out there to win. The members of the board
that are doing this said that they would be willing to march 128 rookies next
year if no one in the current corps wanted to come back to the new Scouts. I
will promise you that the caliber of the new corps will be much lower than what
you have seen over the last 10 years if we don't do something.
What can we do--
We need as many people (that are 18+) to come to Madison East High School in
Madison, Wisconsin on Sunday, September 10th, at 1pm (Madison East High School
is located at 2222 East Washington Avenue in Madison). There will be a meeting
in the forum of the school to take a vote (anyone 18+ who is concerned with the
future of the corps can come and vote) on whether or not to replace the current
board of directors. If we are able to replace the current board, then we can
put in a new board that will rehire Stewart and the current staff of the
Madison Scouts. If we win, we're not in the clear, there will still be battles
needed to be fought, but we have a good chance of keeping up the quality of
entertainment you expect from this corps. If we lose on that day, it is over;
you will no longer see the Madison Scouts, you will see an impostor with the
same name.
If you are unable to attend on the 10th-
Please show your support however you can. Call the current board and tell them
how you feel, write your friends and tell them to come on the 10th. THIS IS
VERY IMPORTANT!!!!! The board has supporters, most of them in the same boat
"winning boat" as the 5 on the board. These are people that have been lied to
by other people who need to feed their egos with a higher score. We need ALL
SCOUTS SUPPORTERS TO HELP MAKE THIS THING RIGHT!!!!!!
Thank you very much for reading this. I will continue to pray for the life of
this corps as we know it, and all of it's fans and supports.
Sincerely,
Paul Travis Weber
Madison Scouts Tenor line 1998, 1999, 2000, and (?)2001(?)
MCJORDANSC
has year-in year-out been one of the crowd favorites for the entire history of
DCI. They have always performed shows designed to entertain the crowd. It is
possible to win and be crowd favorites.
woo...@my-deja.com
This starts by saying it's not from anyone associated, then it's signed
by one of their tenor players...
A public forum voting out a board? I'd like to see those bylaws...
Sounds like a hoax to me...
In article <20000831031441...@ng-cq1.aol.com>,
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Before you buy.
Steve Sorrell
I know everyone loves Scott...I appreciate all that he has given to the
activity, but, the corps will survive. Some folks are acting like this is the
end of the Scouts as we know them. Remember 1975...A wonderful and exciting
year...very entertaining as usual, and Scott was not the director then. I
have no reason to believe that all of a sudden the Scouts will become some
"imposter" on the field. Although the Board made an unpopular decision, they
are not so stupid to allow a new director to come in and suddenly change the
whole Madison attitude. Besides, the corps attitude is represented by the
members...are the members going to abandon their philosophy?
What if Scott had decided it was time for him to retire and resigned on his
own accord? What would you folks be saying?
Read on...
>What can we do--
>We need as many people (that are 18+) to come to Madison East High School in
>Madison, Wisconsin on Sunday, September 10th, at 1pm (Madison East High School
>is located at 2222 East Washington Avenue in Madison). There will be a meeting
>in the forum of the school to take a vote (anyone 18+ who is concerned with the
>future of the corps can come and vote) on whether or not to replace the current
>board of directors. If we are able to replace the current board, then we can
>put in a new board that will rehire Stewart and the current staff of the
>Madison Scouts. If we win, we're not in the clear, there will still be battles
>needed to be fought, but we have a good chance of keeping up the quality of
>entertainment you expect from this corps. If we lose on that day, it is over;
>you will no longer see the Madison Scouts, you will see an impostor with the
>same name.
How can people that attend a meeting such as this have a vote to replace a
Board? Are the board members voting into office or appointed? Just
curious...
I really like Scott and I love the Scouts, but Scott has been replaced.
Everyone must go on with life and support the corps. If all of this turmoil
continues, it will only do damage to the corps for next year. Undermining the
staff and new administration will not help.
>
>If you are unable to attend on the 10th-
>Please show your support however you can. Call the current board and tell them
>how you feel, write your friends and tell them to come on the 10th. THIS IS
>VERY IMPORTANT!!!!! The board has supporters, most of them in the same boat
>"winning boat" as the 5 on the board. These are people that have been lied to
>by other people who need to feed their egos with a higher score. We need ALL
>SCOUTS SUPPORTERS TO HELP MAKE THIS THING RIGHT!!!!!!
>
>Thank you very much for reading this. I will continue to pray for the life of
>this corps as we know it, and all of it's fans and supports.
>
>Sincerely,
>Paul Travis Weber
>Madison Scouts Tenor line 1998, 1999, 2000, and (?)2001(?)
If you enjoy being a Scout, why would you question your decision to march
again? Again, just curious...
Steve Sorrell
expecting flames
dca...@hotmail.com
Nope - it's a fact. Personally spoke to one of the 'ousted' staff
members last night. Also spoke to someone else who has a business
relationship with Scott who spoke to Stewart directly.
The whole clan was fired. While they stated there were additional
reasons, the primary basis for this whole mess is TENTH PLACE, period.
The board wants to win. In order to do so, you will no longer see
the "Madison Scouts".
Even if the Scouts aren't your favorite corps, show your support for
them, and drum corps in general. The Scouts actually aren't even my
favorite corps (but a CLOSE second!), but they stand for everything
that drum corps should. The crowd doesn't go nuts at every show for any
other reason than that The Madison Scouts go out and perform for, not
themselves, but the people who buy the tickets.
Good luck to Scott and the staff! And especially, good luck to The
Madison Scouts, as we "know" them!
Slim
-No association with the Scouts.
Ryan H. Turner
>again? Again, just curious...
>
>Steve Sorrell
>expecting flames
>
No Steve...again, we old drum majors stick together on this kind of stuff....so
no flames for you. You have every right to question this, because this guys
post was bordering on hysteria. I understand that it's hard to "lose" someone,
but you're right. What IF Scott left on his own accord? What IF this had
NOTHING to do with what kind of entertainment and philosophy the corps proper
has/had/will have/doesn't have/should have? What if this was a PRIVATE matter
that has nothing to do with anything we assume that it does?
The corps IS the corps, and the director, in this case a very HANDS ON director
by what I've heard, is just a person. There are MANY MANY talented people on
the planet that may be able to do a better job than Scott. That's very
possible. Actually, it's very probable. But again, not knowing exactly WHY
this all occurred AND coupled with the fact that there are many people out
there that COULD do just as well if not better than he did should provide this
tenor player with some hope and optimism.
And again Steve, you're right. It IS undermining to ASSUME what he has assumed
and then make a call to in effect do what was done to Scott to the board.
That's crazy. Madison is run by people that have a WHOLE different perspective
than their performers, much less any of us armchair quarterback corps
directors.
Now, I'll put my teeth in and start my day...Why, I remember back when I
marched in corps....
Ryan H. Turner--Man w/NO life whatsover...and proud of it!!
MARCHING BAND, DRUM CORPS, WINTER GUARD FAN
VK DM 1986 and 1987
Show Design Consultant/Visual Consultant/Marching Instructor
911/Fire Dept Comm. Dispatcher...and a partridge in a pear tree!
Ryan H. Turner
>Madison Scouts drum and bugle corps or by anyone associated with the Madison
>Drum and Bugle Corps Association. It is merely one person's interpretation
>of
>what is transpiring these days told by someone who thinks you deserve to know
>what is happen
Well, before you go on talking anymore, I just have to interject here. I
really do understand your concern and feeling somewhat betrayed by the turn of
events. By all accounts and by my limited exposure to him in the 80's, I know
how important Scott Stewart is. I also know, based on your quick bio at the
end of your posting, that since 1998 at the very least, Madison has been an
important part of your life.
But you must understand something Paul. Many things occur because of reasons
that are far beyond our scope of vision or understanding. The people of the
Madison Board operate not with JUST your concerns, but the concerns of a vastly
larger arena. And just as you said, while you may have very VALID
"interpretations" of what has happened, you don't really know. Sincerely, you
don't. Since the OFFICIAL statement from the Madison board is cut and dry and
does not reveal anything as to exactly WHY, then even as frustrating as that
may be, that's all we got.
There are a million reasons why boards do what they do, and it may have
absolutely nothing to do with what you posted. Your call then to "fire the
board" by the vote of people at this meeting is at best a "noble act" born of
your frustration and sadness, but ultimately, a very destructive thing. Do not
allow yourself to sucumb to this level of thinking. Be reasonable, and attempt
to look at the massive opportunity and potential this may cause. Celebrate
what Scott has done and give HIM all the credit the man deserves, because I
know he does deserve much. But something bigger and better may be just down
the road...all it takes is a decision by yourself to look at it that way and
bam! That's what will happen...
You have a three history with one of the greatest corps that has marched on
this planet. It has affected more people for the good than you know, way back
before you were even born. So, you think about what I've said, and then change
your signature line to:
Paul Travis Weber
Madison Scouts Tenor Line 1998, 1999, 2000....and KICKING ASS IN 2001!
Because THAT my friend is a sign of a loyal leader and member of a great
fraternity that some of us in the world only could admire from afar, and not be
a part of. Remember that....
GSNewell
Greg Newell
Robert Brown
>members last night. Also spoke to someone else who has a business
>relationship with Scott who spoke to Stewart directly.
>
>The whole clan was fired. While they stated there were additional
>reasons, the primary basis for this whole mess is TENTH PLACE, period.
>The board wants to win. In order to do so, you will no longer see
>the "Madison Scouts".
>
Give me a break.
Some of you mental minorities need to realize staff and director
changes happen, for whatever reason. How many people enjoyed 83
Cadets?? How many enjoyed SCV since 92?? How many enjoyed Blue
Devils in 84?? How many enjoyed Blue Devis in 94??
Shaking things up may actually make the Scouts a better corps.
Imagine the thought??
I believe the Scouts will remain to be the most entertaining corps on
the field.......that's their trademark, style, and
identity........now, imagine the same with a competitive edge. I
think it's pretty damn scary. An entertaining corps with the
potential to really kick some butt. Perhaps others will follow when
they see a corps like the Scouts climb the ranks.
Consider this.
Drum Corps lile to play follow the leader (hence, the 20 encarnations
of Garfield). Imagine a stand up and cheer drum corps on the field
that can really kick some butt? All of you blindsighted by emotion
will go hoarse from screaming so loud when/if the Scouts start be
competitive with corps such as SCV, BD, Cadets, Cavies. Imagine, you
won't have to boo when you hear the Scouts scores.
>Even if the Scouts aren't your favorite corps, show your support for
>them, and drum corps in general.
I do support the Scouts.
>The Scouts actually aren't even my
>favorite corps (but a CLOSE second!), but they stand for everything
>that drum corps should. The crowd doesn't go nuts at every show for any
>other reason than that The Madison Scouts go out and perform for, not
>themselves, but the people who buy the tickets.
>
>Good luck to Scott and the staff! And especially, good luck to The
>Madison Scouts, as we "know" them!
>
[sigh]
My favorite year for the Scouts was 1981. You know what, that corps
was competitive, nearly won DCI, and was the most entertaining corps
on the field. The were a great marching corps, awesome brass, tons
of GE, and a top notch drum line.
Wouldn't you want to see that kind of entertainment be married to
technical excellence again?
Rob
Don't condemn the next crop of Scouts, they may surprise you.
SHumner
SH
RDeschene
<snip>
>Scott Stewart gave birth to this philosophy that has been the
>driving force behind the corps for about 10 years now.
<snip>
Paul,
While I sympathize with the emotions you must be feeling right now, I
have to tell you that my reaction when I read this was, "Huh?" After
all, since when has Madison *not* played to the crowd? I've been a fan
of corps since the mid-'70s, and started marching in '78, and I can
tell you that as long as I've been around, Madison has been known,
first and foremost, as a crowd-pleaser. So I have to take exception
with your remark that Scott Stewart started this. As far as I've been
able to tell, this attitude has been a fundamental part of the corps'
philosophy for much longer than Scott Stewart's tenure as corps
director.
If there's any doubt, listen to the crowd reaction during Madison's
championship performance in '75. There's no doubt in my mind that they
were crowd favorites then, every bit as much as they are now. The only
difference is that that year, they won the DCI championship.
Sue
hornhoser
> What could happen--
> Most likely what would happen is that the Scout's philosophy of
performing for
> the crowd would be abandoned. You would no longer see the Scouts
that you are
> used to
If we win, we're not in the clear, there will still be battles
> needed to be fought, but we have a good chance of keeping up the
quality of
> entertainment you expect from this corps. If we lose on that day, it
is over;
> you will no longer see the Madison Scouts, you will see an impostor
with the
> same name.
The truth is that it sounds like you are brainwashed by the current
"company line" that somehow equates excellence with lack of
entertainment. Apparently your staff and management have not done a
good job of teaching you the history of the Madison Scouts.
Madison has ALWAYS been a crowd favorite as far back as I can remember
(to the early 60's). I also remember watching films of the corps from
the CH Beebee (sp?) era (the 40s and 50s) when, even in the earliest
ages of the activity, the corps stood for both excellence and
entertainment in an activity that (at that time) barely understood what
entertainment meant.
This is not just history, this is the Scouts tradition and has been for
a VERY LONG time. Apparently the Board feels that the organization has
strayed from this tradition of excellence and entertainment and wants
to return to what got you here.
The Scouts are more than any one philosophy, director, or staff. It is
a machine that can be rebuilt, torn apart and rebuilt again and yet
will continue to roll on and succeed. Regardless of who is there to
drive it, I have no doubt that Madison will weather this storm and
continue to find ways to entertain the audience to the extreme while
achieving the highest levels of excellence in performance.
I know that this has got to be upsetting to you, but remember that
sometimes great things come about as a result of difficult times. Just
think about that song you have sung so many times: "At the end of the
storm, there's a ....."
(From one who's blood also runs green.)
Steve Sorrell
>Don't condemn the next crop of Scouts, they may surprise you.
>
Not only that, but I think it is wrong to portray Scott as the only director
of the Scouts that made them successful in the fans eyes. What about all of
the decades before Scott arrived? If I were an alum from a pre-Stewart year,
I would be inclined to be offended with some of the Scout's members attitudes
that their director was the "be all end all" from Madison. Don't any of those
previous years count?
Steve
Daniel O'Neal
Indeed . . . and the way I see it, if Santa Clara can continue to thrive after all
they've been through with their executive directors over the past decade, then
Madison can do the same. They'll be fine . . . not exactly the same, perhaps, but
this isn't gonna "ruin" them, the way some people seem to think.
Tom
and certainly are not privy to any information...
But I will add this... Bill Howard is one of the founders of DCI and the
person responsible for the legend that is Madison... Steve Vickers is one
of the most knowledgeable drum corps people anywhere...
I doubt that either of these men would make any decisions that they didn't
believe were necessary...
I only mention this because so many of you are younger people and Bill
Howard has remained in the background for ever so many years... but we're
talking a Gail Royer, Jerry Searight and Jim Jones quality person here...
Let's give Madison a break and let them solve their own problems...
Tom Peashey
"MCJORDANSC" <mcjor...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20000831081830...@ng-cg1.aol.com...
dca...@hotmail.com
> But you must understand something Paul. Many things occur because of
reasons
> that are far beyond our scope of vision or understanding. The people
of the
> Madison Board operate not with JUST your concerns, but the concerns
of a vastly
> larger arena. And just as you said, while you may have very VALID
> "interpretations" of what has happened, you don't really know.
Sincerely, you
> don't. Since the OFFICIAL statement from the Madison board is cut
and dry and
> does not reveal anything as to exactly WHY, then even as frustrating
as that
> may be, that's all we got.
While I cannot interpret the 'official' statement from the board, I
didn't need to interpret what a 2000 staff member told me - "we were
fired". That's pretty cut and dry as well! He said that if they hadn't
finished 10th (meaning a top x finish), none of this would have
happened.
> There are a million reasons why boards do what they do, and it may
have
> absolutely nothing to do with what you posted. Your call then
to "fire the
> board" by the vote of people at this meeting is at best a "noble act"
born of
> your frustration and sadness, but ultimately, a very destructive
thing. Do not
> allow yourself to sucumb to this level of thinking.
This isn't being put together by the poster, but by the ousted staff
themselves. Again, heard directly from one of the horses mouths.
I don't know anyone on the board, and can't pretend to know what their
plans are. But the ousted staff has some major concerns about what this
holds for the corps, and the Board's plans, or else they would just
move on and find new jobs. No one likes to be fired - I don't think
this is a matter of pride, but a matter of heart.
These staff members live and breath The Madison Scouts. I'm sure they
know that what they are 'attempting' is very difficult on the corps.
But they also must believe that letting the current Board go through
with their plan (whatever that may be) would be even worse...
Slim
sai...@one.net
Scott Stewart is Scott Stewart....Nothing less....Nothing more...
The Madison Scouts are the Madison Scouts...Nothing less....Nothing more....
Changes happen...We all know it....Maybe its for the best .....Maybe not....
Same goes for Keith......
One person can INFLUENCE a corps......But one person can not be its total
SOUL......
Will I miss Scott and Keith and their "touch"? .....You betcha!!!!
But remember this....The Scouts have endured more than their fair share of
hardship over the years......And guess what? They have always endured...and
even thrived on it.......
I doubt, very seriously, than Scott and Keith have any plans on becoming "Mary
by the fire doing her darning"......Their influence will always be felt......
Michael "Son of a Madison fan from days before Scott was even born" Kolle
nhs...@my-deja.com
I understand the point that Madison as an organization will go on. Of
course it will, Scott has apparently done a good job managing the
finances the last few years to the point that will allow them to be
financially sound for a while.
As for the concerns expressed by the current kids and supporters, I
think maybe people misunderstand. The corps was successfull and a
crowd favorite for years. The people that have come through the corps
and been loyal to the Madison organization are the ones that have
taught the organization and made it what it is. I think they fear that
because of loyalty to Scott, that those who are loyal to the principles
that he instilled over the last decade will no longer want to teach.
Are there qualified people out there to teach? Of course. Are they
Scout alums? I don't know? I don't know enough about the inner
workings of the dispute to know if everyone is loyal to Scott or if
there is a split. I do understand their concern that everyone with a
"Scout background" that is "up to date" in the drum corps world, will
not be willing to teach for the new board out of loyalty to Scott.
Hope that sheds some light on thier emotionally stated posts.
Later, AA
sai...@one.net
>Those of us in the East have no right to interfere in this matter in any way
>and certainly are not privy to any information...
>
>But I will add this... Bill Howard is one of the founders of DCI and the
>person responsible for the legend that is Madison... Steve Vickers is one
>of the most knowledgeable drum corps people anywhere...
>
>I doubt that either of these men would make any decisions that they didn't
>believe were necessary...
>
>I only mention this because so many of you are younger people and Bill
>Howard has remained in the background for ever so many years... but we're
>talking a Gail Royer, Jerry Searight and Jim Jones quality person here...
>
>Let's give Madison a break and let them solve their own problems...
>
>Tom Peashey
>
>
Well said Tom!
But I do have to say one thing....Is the jury still "out" on whether or not
the Combine was "Right"?...IMHO....Yuppers!!!!!
Everybody just needs to settle down....Like this is the first change in
"management" we have ever seen! Cheesss!
Wish I could sit down and chat with ya at DCA Tom.....But, alas,....Not in the
cards...
Michael "Moving to the 'Cradle of Drum Corps'" Kolle
Scott Gordon
whatsoever to do with the philosophy of entertainment, or their
subsequent placing? Perhaps he was let go for the same sorts of
reasons that J.W. allegedly was let go from SCV... that is, issues
relating to the *operations* facet of the duties of the corps director.
These can be financial, staffing, relations, etc. Sure, the corps
director deserves a big share of the credit for a good placement
or a good philosophy, but if it is at the cost of some serious
operational disfunction, then perhaps a replacement is in order
to preserve the financial or long-term existence of the corps.
I don't know, just speculating. And I don't believe that everyone
necessarily has the right to know such details.
Scott
Drumlineguy13
someone within his staff to take over his position that was ready to fill in
for the job. By being removed as the executive director they also removed his
entire staff. The Scouts staff is made up entirely of Madison Alums (except
for Jeff Moore) and these people have already been with the corps for many
years and they live the philosophy. The new exec director wants to replace all
of the staff with people not in the orginazition. All of the staff that has
been a part of our corps and all of their experience in teaching. So I don't
really know if Madison would be able to maintain their style with a staff who
has never been a part of the Scouts.
note...@my-deja.com
information which so many RAMD readers have been wanting to know.
You state your case passionately and with great power. Now we know that
Scott has a recourse and that he intends to use it. Best wishes to you
and the Madison Scouts organization (as we know it) September 10th. I
hope that you will be kind enough to share the outcome of the open forum
with us.
David Pressley
Stonem73
MCJORDANSC
>of the staff with people not in the orginazition.
Who is the new executive director? I thought Bill Howard was filling the
position until one was found.
Cozy
recent gauntlet sucks. Years ago, a long-time director was reapproved
by one vote. Ticked off due to the lack of better support, he
resigned. That corps is now a mere shadow of its former self. Moral:
Firing the longest-tenured director of a div. I corps is a dangerous
step.
btw, Scott S., great as he is, did not invent the Madison emphasis on
entertainment. See, at one time, entertainment was a given for most
corps, unlike today's glum GE. Scott deserves credit for continuing to
keep the crowd numero uno.
Best of luck to Madison and the equally legendary Bill Howard. May
he have the energy and foresight for 2001 and beyond. Uhh, remember
hindsight, too. I have the utmost respect for Steve Vickers and other
members of the board.
Definitely, our collective Aussie hats should tip to Scott S. and
Keith G.
Cozy
Yours in corps
In article <20000831031441...@ng-cq1.aol.com>,
drum...@aol.com (DrumPaulW) wrote:
> The following IS NOT an official statement by anyone associated
with the
> Madison Scouts drum and bugle corps or by anyone associated with the
Madison
> Drum and Bugle Corps Association. It is merely one person's
interpretation of
> what is transpiring these days told by someone who thinks you deserve
to know
> what is happening.
>
> What happened--
> The Madison Drum and Bugle corps Association, a group of 9 people,
voted to
> relieve Scott Stewart of his position as executive director of the
Madison Drum
> and Bugle Corps Association. This was a win by majority, so it only
took 5
> people on the board to do this.
>
> The board--
> The board consists of nine individuals with different experiences
with the
> corps. Most of them have been around longer than the philosophy of
performing
> for the crowd. Scott Stewart gave birth to this philosophy that has
been the
> driving force behind the corps for about 10 years now. The 5 people
on the
> board who voted to remove Stewart have been with the corps longer
than the
> philosophy, and obviously do not believe in the same things that the
corps
> believes in now.
>
> Why fire Stewart?--
> The executive director of the Madison Drum and Bulge corps
association is in
> charge of the staffing for the corps. To change the staff of the
Scouts, the
> board needed to remove Stewart and replace him with someone that will
hire a
> staff that will do what they want. As of right now the entire staff
of the
> Scouts has been fired. They are to be replaced by a staff of people
outside of
> the corps, brought in to make the corps "win." This will be done
using money
> Stewart has saved up for the corps to help the activity (AKA save
Southwind,
> help smaller corps, etc...).
>
> What could happen--
> Most likely what would happen is that the Scout's philosophy of
performing for
> the crowd would be abandoned. You would no longer see the Scouts
that you are
> used to. You would see a corps out there to win. The members of the
board
> that are doing this said that they would be willing to march 128
rookies next
> year if no one in the current corps wanted to come back to the new
Scouts. I
> will promise you that the caliber of the new corps will be much lower
than what
> you have seen over the last 10 years if we don't do something.
>
> What can we do--
> We need as many people (that are 18+) to come to Madison East High
School in
> Madison, Wisconsin on Sunday, September 10th, at 1pm (Madison East
High School
> is located at 2222 East Washington Avenue in Madison). There will be
a meeting
> in the forum of the school to take a vote (anyone 18+ who is
concerned with the
> future of the corps can come and vote) on whether or not to replace
the current
> board of directors. If we are able to replace the current board,
then we can
> put in a new board that will rehire Stewart and the current staff of
the
> Madison Scouts. If we win, we're not in the clear, there will still
be battles
> needed to be fought, but we have a good chance of keeping up the
quality of
> entertainment you expect from this corps. If we lose on that day, it
is over;
> you will no longer see the Madison Scouts, you will see an impostor
with the
> same name.
>
> If you are unable to attend on the 10th-
> Please show your support however you can. Call the current board and
tell them
> how you feel, write your friends and tell them to come on the 10th.
THIS IS
> VERY IMPORTANT!!!!! The board has supporters, most of them in the
same boat
> "winning boat" as the 5 on the board. These are people that have been
lied to
> by other people who need to feed their egos with a higher score. We
need ALL
> SCOUTS SUPPORTERS TO HELP MAKE THIS THING RIGHT!!!!!!
>
> Thank you very much for reading this. I will continue to pray for the
life of
> this corps as we know it, and all of it's fans and supports.
>
> Sincerely,
> Paul Travis Weber
> Madison Scouts Tenor line 1998, 1999, 2000, and (?)2001(?)
>
--
Yours in corps!
Cozy
highly respect all three of you as legends of corpsdom.
What scares me is that truly innovative leaders in our activity like
you gentlemen are rare gems. Madison just fired one of the few good
men, and Keith Gee resigned.
I relish the high drama, the uprising in the ranks. The vast roll
call of folks here in Ohio, out East, West, Canada... Multitudes claim
that Madison is part of us. No one should be surprised when the South
(wind) swirls into a hurricane.
Thanks to DC World for putting the facts, not gossip, online
<www.drumcorpsworld.com> in a timely manner. I'm sure it's difficult
for Steve V., Steve P. and Barb L. right now, turmoil right in their
backyard and all. When more news is forthcoming, refer to DCW for the
truth.
RAMD is at its best right now despite some of the overboard antics,
the "news" that's only gossip, guesses at best. On this forum, the
collective love for Madison and what Scott, Keith and their in-the-
family staffs have brought to us all over 'Merica and Canada proves how
much we care. The bottom line: Madison is The Fan$ corps, with an
emphasis on ticket $ale$.
Cozy
Yours in corps
In article <fIwr5.38472$dG.10...@typhoon.nyroc.rr.com>,
--
Kevin Gamin
> Not only that, but I think it is wrong to portray Scott as the only director
> of the Scouts that made them successful in the fans eyes. What about all of
> the decades before Scott arrived? If I were an alum from a pre-Stewart year,
> I would be inclined to be offended with some of the Scout's members attitudes
> that their director was the "be all end all" from Madison. Don't any of those
> previous years count?
Hey, one of those previous directors was Bill Howard...Now he's interim
director...I'd say that's a good thing, despite all the mess caused by
Scott's removal.
>
> Steve
--
Kevin "Gadget" Gamin <empireb...@earthlink.net>
Toledo Glassmen 1992-1996
Empire Statesmen 2000
"Give me all that you've got then crescendo!"
Robin Wofford
This allegiance that these people have for Scott is no different than
your loyalty to Freddy...
"Hey! You can't fool me... There's no such thing as a Sanity Clause!"
--Chico Marx
Robin Wofford
Bottom line: The man was dismissed unfairly. The board is wrong.
Robin Wofford
DM Memphis Blue 1980 & 81
Old guy 2000 - ??
Robin Wofford
I believe that the issue here is how unfairly Mr. Stewart is being
treated by the board... Not the end of the Scouts.
Robin Wofford
(sometimes known as rwof...@aol.com)
Robin Wofford
Would you feel the same way if this was YOUR corps and YOUR director
this was happening to?
Robin Wofford
Eric Krebs
Eric Krebs
Southwind 1992
KurtJull
been said.
-kurt
Levi Boldt
> Bottom line: The man was dismissed unfairly. The
> board is wrong.
The fact is, very few people know exactly why Scott was released. We
cannot pass judgment when we do not have the relevant facts.
--
Levi Boldt
"Few men speak humbly of humility, chastely
of chastity, doubtingly of skepticism. We
are only falsehood, duplicity, contradiction;
we both conceal and disguise ourselves from
ourselves."
- Blaise Pascal, Pensées
Terri Dittrich
It's easier to just be oblivious.
-Terri
Levi Boldt wrote in message <39B0370C...@pilot.msu.edu>...
James C. Nevermann
--
Jim Nevermann [usual disclaimers]
Steve Sorrell
>Steve,
>
>I believe that the issue here is how unfairly Mr. Stewart is being
>treated by the board... Not the end of the Scouts.
That might be the REAL issue, but some are acting as though this will be the
end of the Scouts as we know them. Simply not true.
Steve
Steve Sorrell
>BTW Steve...
>
>This allegiance that these people have for Scott is no different than
>your loyalty to Freddy...
No offense Robin, but you really don't know of my loyalty to Freddy Martin.
Steve
Steve Sorrell
>Well, Ryan and Steve... THIS old drum major sides with Scott.
>
>Bottom line: The man was dismissed unfairly. The board is wrong.
Unless you've been to the board meetings and know all of the facts, how can
you make that judgement?
Steve
Robin Wofford
badly.
Robin Wofford
I hope that since you served as the man's drum major, you would have a
LITTLE loyalty. All I'm saying is that this upsets the Madison just as
much I'm sure it would upset you if you were in their place.
Robin Wofford
Dave Ludwick Jr.
100,000 i believe. If that's trh case he has no business replacing scott if
financial difficulty is one of the problems
"Kevin Gamin" <empireb...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:1eg8x2q.uwui2n1s8v0gnN%empireb...@earthlink.net...
Kevin Gamin
> but bill howard was the one that left the scout's in debt....more than
> 100,000 i believe. If that's trh case he has no business replacing scott if
> financial difficulty is one of the problems
Some questions...
1) Were the Scouts the only corps in debt in 1980?
2) Is $150,000 a large debt for a drum corps from that time period?
3) Was this debt incurred because of financial mismanagement?
4) Was this a "managble" debt? i.e., Could this debt be paid off in
the near future?
5) Was Bill Howard the only person responsible for the Scouts financial
status?
Kristofer Baumgartner
that since the US dollar was not worth as much in the 60's and 70's, the
100,000 dollar figure that we get today doesn't mean crap. (tongue
firmly planted in cheek)
Kris
Dave Ludwick Jr. wrote:
>
> but bill howard was the one that left the scout's in debt....more than
> 100,000 i believe. If that's trh case he has no business replacing scott if
> financial difficulty is one of the problems
>
> "Kevin Gamin" <empireb...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:1eg8x2q.uwui2n1s8v0gnN%empireb...@earthlink.net...
