Best Snaredrummer ever.
Papa Smurf
Rob Carson SCV 76.He had control, speed, and chops. What do you think.
Bayou Bear
Papa Smurf <st...@inxpress.net> wrote in article
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> Rob Carson SCV 76.He had control, speed, and chops. What do you think.
>
Okay, hold on.
Just because Rob Carson is one of the most well known snaredrummers in the
drum corps world does not necessarily make him the "best". This is
subjective criticism to say anyone is "the best." I think many people say
Rob Carson is "the best snaredrummer" ever because that is the *ONLY* name
they can think of! Can you name other snaredrummers? Hard to do so huh.
Roger
Freelancers '81','82,'84 pit
John Rauschuber
Papa Smurf wrote:
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> Rob Carson SCV 76.He had control, speed, and chops. What do you think.
Jeff Queen, Blue Knights
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This is obviously be a pretty subjective distinction, as being a great
snare drummer means different things to different people. I had the
distinction of marching with (for my money) the best snare drummer
during the early-mid 80's, and he reads this group all the time. His
name is Rob Sirat. How about it, Rob? Do you have a pick?
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Rick Beckham
In article <01bc7ba6$3bce61a0$510a...@frelancr.nntp.ix.netcom.com>, "Bayou Bear" <frel...@ix.netcom.com> writes:
>
>
> Papa Smurf <st...@inxpress.net> wrote in article
> <33A6FD...@inxpress.net>...
> > Rob Carson SCV 76.He had control, speed, and chops. What do you think.
> >
>
> Okay, hold on.
>
> Just because Rob Carson is one of the most well known snaredrummers in the
> drum corps world does not necessarily make him the "best". This is
> subjective criticism to say anyone is "the best." I think many people say
> Rob Carson is "the best snaredrummer" ever because that is the *ONLY* name
> they can think of! Can you name other snaredrummers? Hard to do so huh.
>
Lessee,
J. Burns Moore, Earl Sturzte, Frank Arsenault, William F. Ludwig Sr.,
Alan Abel, Chas. Wilcoxon, Bobby Redican, Bobby Thompson, Les Parks,
Mitch Markovitch, Bobby Graig, Charlie Poole, Marty Hurley, John Pratt,
Steve Chorzy, Scott Johnson, Ken Mazur.
Alexander J. Nielsen
I'm the best snaredrummer ever...
:)
this thread is like how many licks does it take to get to the center of a
tootsie pop
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Alexander J. Nielsen
Bushwacker Bass Line 92,94-97
http://www.bigberthas.com/alex/drumcorpsounds
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MScouts1
Naoki Ishikawa - Cavies
vin...@bear.com
Mighty big snare drum you got there Alex...
:)
Vince
Crossmen 91 92
Bushwackers 97
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Rick Beckham wrote:
>
> Lessee,
> J. Burns Moore, Earl Sturzte, Frank Arsenault, William F. Ludwig Sr.,
> Alan Abel, Chas. Wilcoxon, Bobby Redican, Bobby Thompson, Les Parks,
> Mitch Markovitch, Bobby Graig, Charlie Poole, Marty Hurley, John Pratt,
> Steve Chorzy, Scott Johnson, Ken Mazur.
>
Let's not forget: John Bodnar, Rick Nardelli, John Oddo, Hugh Quigley,
Eric Perrilloux, Jay Tuomey, Sonny Lyons, Gary Pagnozzi, Andy Lisko,
Jackie Tencza, and a slew of others.
Yes, it's the Old Farts corner, but these guys were amazing. Today's
players couldn't esxecute the olderg guys' licks with such expression
and musicality. Then again they are hampered by today's snare drums
which sound, individually to me, like an anemic gnat.
Ace Holleran
OLSV Cadets
Rick Beckham
In article <19970618162...@ladder02.news.aol.com>, msco...@aol.com (MScouts1) writes:
> Naoki Ishikawa - Cavies
Give me a break. He would hardly qualify as best ever.
whitney densmore s
"Bayou Bear" (frel...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
:
:
: Papa Smurf <st...@inxpress.net> wrote in article
: <33A6FD...@inxpress.net>...
: > Rob Carson SCV 76.He had control, speed, and chops. What do you think.
: >
:
: Okay, hold on.
:
: Just because Rob Carson is one of the most well known snaredrummers in the
: drum corps world does not necessarily make him the "best".
Good logic.
: This is subjective criticism to say anyone is "the best." I think
: many people say Rob Carson is "the best snaredrummer" ever because
: that is the *ONLY* name they can think of!
I think he's the best ever.
: Can you name other snaredrummers?
Yup. Danny Molina, Robbie Robinson, Tom Brown, Kelly Houpt, Ted Lenae,
Scott Johnson, Ralph Hardimon, Steve Jeffrey, Greg Maggi, Dennis Mancini,
Greg Dilley, Daryl Cox, Terry Shalberg, Alan Christensen...
: Hard to do so huh.
A little.
: Roger
: Freelancers '81','82,'84 pit
-^-..-^-..-^-..-^-..-^-..-^-..-^-..-^-..-^-..-^-..-^-..-^-..-^-..-^-..-^-.
Whitney Densmore (aka Harper and Mathias)
Blue Devils '81 & '82
SCV '77, '78 & '79
SCV 'B' '73, '74, '75, '76
Allan Murray
danny and paul pitts
Rick Beckham <rbec...@bnr.ca> wrote in article
<5o8oio$8...@crchh327.rich.bnr.ca>...
>
> In article <01bc7ba6$3bce61a0$510a...@frelancr.nntp.ix.netcom.com>,
"Bayou Bear" <frel...@ix.netcom.com> writes:
> >
> >
> > Papa Smurf <st...@inxpress.net> wrote in article
> > <33A6FD...@inxpress.net>...
> > > Rob Carson SCV 76.He had control, speed, and chops. What do you
think.
> > >
> >
> > Okay, hold on.
> >
> > Just because Rob Carson is one of the most well known snaredrummers in
the
> > drum corps world does not necessarily make him the "best". This is
> > subjective criticism to say anyone is "the best." I think many people
say
> > Rob Carson is "the best snaredrummer" ever because that is the *ONLY*
name
> > they can think of! Can you name other snaredrummers? Hard to do so
huh.
> >
>
> Lessee,
> J. Burns Moore, Earl Sturzte, Frank Arsenault, William F. Ludwig Sr.,
> Alan Abel, Chas. Wilcoxon, Bobby Redican, Bobby Thompson, Les Parks,
> Mitch Markovitch, Bobby Graig, Charlie Poole, Marty Hurley, John Pratt,
> Steve Chorzy, Scott Johnson, Ken Mazur.
>
RAdamsBig8
I'd have to agree w/ Brad, Having spent a MB season with Robbie Sirat @
FSU, he is indeed one of the best. No flaming ego to deal with and a
genuine nice guy who, just like Float, would always say: " Let's drum."
Rob-Thanks for a lot of good times tracking in Tallahassee.
Rick Adams
SOAtlanta
The best snare drummer ever, in my opinion, is Billy Hames: Spirit of
Atlanta '89-'90, Cavaliers '91. I heard from his younger sister, who went
to my high school about the same time as me, that he may have won snare
solo at I&E in '91 had his "rolls" (actually extremely fast paradiddles)
not been "too choppy."
Let's just say that he learned from one of the other best snare drummers
while he was at Sprayberry High School, Randy Rickstrom, who won I&E three
years in a row.
SOAtlanta
How about Randy Rickstrom? He won I&E three times in the 80's, I think,
unless he was lying to me.
Chet Doboe
I'm not to crazy about this question---however I did have some fun
thinking about some of the amazing snare drum performances that I've
seen over the years..... If you ever get the chance, check out Sonny
Emory, who performs with Earth Wind and Fire. In his clinics he
demonstrates his snare technique. He has the most amazing singles that
you will--- ever---- experience. And he does some unreal stick tosses,
while he's playing his butt off with all kinds of intricate stuff.
Like nothing that you have ever seen. And compositionally speaking he
tells a great story. Don't know if Sonny ever was in corps, but he is
exceptional.
Chet Doboe
Hip Pickles
CRBPCB
This kind of topic is nearly always "meathead" stuff; who plays loudest,
fastest, has technical "chops", etc. Therefore, it was a treat to read
the post from Chet Doboe regarding Sonny Emory III. I played lead trumpet
in a big band w/Sonny when I lived in Atlanta (before going "legit").
Playing with him was a real "brush with greatness"for me. What a musician!
Technique that serves the music. I have enjoyed following his career ever
since.
And bravo Chet for your remark "telling a story", It's what real musical
performance is all about.
BTW, Sonny never marched in corps.
Peter Bond
PR '71-'77
PR Soprano "tech" '96,'97
Andrew Lisko
Rick Beckham wrote:
>
> > Papa Smurf <st...@inxpress.net> wrote in article
Can you name other snaredrummers? Hard to do so huh.
> >
>
> Lessee,
> J. Burns Moore, Earl Sturzte, Frank Arsenault, William F. Ludwig Sr.,
> Alan Abel, Chas. Wilcoxon, Bobby Redican, Bobby Thompson, Les Parks,
> Mitch Markovitch, Bobby Graig, Charlie Poole, Marty Hurley, John Pratt,
> Steve Chorzy, Scott Johnson, Ken Mazur.
>
I gotta go with Bob Redican, Sr. - Eric Perriloux once stated
there was never a more fluid snare drummer than Bob. He had
all three ingredients accoding to Eric: power, speed and control.
When I was a kid, Earl Sturze used to bring him to our rehearsals
at St. Raphael's to give exhibitions. He was truly in a class
by himself. And by the way, he's still around and if I'm not
mistaken is a Hall of Famer.
Maybe someone can get him to give a exhibiton at the DCI
I&E sometime. I'm sure it would be an eye opener.
Andy Lisko
Rick Beckham
In article <19970619054...@ladder02.news.aol.com>, soat...@aol.com (SOAtlanta) writes:
> How about Randy Rickstrom? He won I&E three times in the 80's, I think,
> unless he was lying to me.
Is that Randy Wickstrom who works at ATlanta Pro Percussion? Short balding
guy? He was lying to you.
VenusKnite
>How about Randy Rickstrom? He won I&E three times in the 80's, I think,
>unless he was lying to me.
How about Steve Campbell from BD? He got a 100 in 84 (?) I&E.
- Steve Burstall
Allan Murray
rich viano all the way
MScouts1 <msco...@aol.com> wrote in article
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> Naoki Ishikawa - Cavies
>
Dennis N. Stone
John Rauschuber wrote:
>
> Papa Smurf wrote:
> >
> >Nick was better than Jeff
Drew McPheeters
Actually, Chet brings to mind another couple of people outside
the drum corp idiom. After all it does say the Best snare drummer
ever. No discussion of that could ever be fair if you didn't
mention Alex Duthart, Jimmy Kilpatrick, and Reid Maxwell, all
of Scottish Side (snare) drumming fame. If you ever get the
chance to see Jimmy or Reid (Alex has passed on) don't miss it.
Brad Halls
VenusKnite wrote:
> How about Steve Campbell from BD? He got a 100 in 84 (?) I&E.
> - Steve Burstall
A great player to be sure (I marched next to him in '85) but IMHO
not in the same league with Rob Sirat (BD snare captain '84-'85).
Brad.
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Excerpts from netnews.rec.arts.marching.drumcorps: 19-Jun-97 Re: Best
Snaredrummer ever. by Drew McPhe...@frii.com
> the drum corp idiom. After all it does say the Best snare drummer
> ever. No discussion of that could ever be fair if you didn't
> mention Alex Duthart, Jimmy Kilpatrick, and Reid Maxwell, all
> of Scottish Side (snare) drumming fame. If you ever get the
> chance to see Jimmy or Reid (Alex has passed on) don't miss it.
I agree- my pipe band drum instructor (Larry Allen) studied with Alex
Duthart in the 70's and the stuff that Larry learned from Alex is
phenomenal...
Brandon
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RAIDERSDIR
What about Robbie Robinson from crossmen. I believe he won I&E a few
times.
I also think Pat Petrillo from bridgemen(drum captain 81-83) was right up
there
with robbie,
George
Purple408
John Flowers? Mark Thurston? two more greats......
Bmarbs
Mark Thurston has to be up there too.
Bmarbs
Fast Frankie needs to be mentioned also
Mike
Timothy Ace Holleran wrote:
> How about Kenny DeStephens and Dennis DeLucia? Both incredible snare drummers in their
day. George Tuthill? Duke Terreri Sr on ancient drumming? Jack Pratt was my technician
when I taught drum corps in the mid-70's. A great guy who had two interesting hobbies,
collecting comics (BEFORE they became big bucks - his collection must be worth a
FORTUNE), and classical music records (before CD's). If you asked him for a record of
Beethoven's 5th, he'd ask who you want to hear it performed by, the Vienna, Philly,
NY, Chicago, etc. He had walls full of records. Pretty amazing guy. I was looking for
a short percussion feature for our corps, and he found a short piece by Wm. Walton
(name escapes me) that I turned into a percussion feature with a brass quintet. I
think I used the key of B Major or something weird like that (no third valve in those
days).
>
> Today's players couldn't esxecute the olderg guys' licks with such expression
> and musicality.
guys, especially when you consider the physical drill demands placed on today's drum
lines. We NEVER had to crab-march in my marching days. Plus, our drill was mostly up
and down the 50 yard line, not all over the field at 160 beats/minute like today. As
great as the old guys were, MHO is that the best today are FAR better; they are true
musicians today.
>Then again they are hampered by today's snare drums
> which sound, individually to me, like an anemic gnat.
almost no snare sound at all in some groups, they have the heads and snares so tight.
It's even worse in marching band, where they try to emulate the corps snare sound. A
deeper, 'snairier' sound works better in MB, IMHO.
Mike Garfield 70-72 Percussion/Music judge 1976-??
Bert F. Barnes III
And Don't forget Willy Higgens. :)
Bert F. Barnes III
Cadets of Bergen County Lead Baritone 89-90
US Navy 91-97
Syracuse Brigadiers Second Mellophone 97-??
"For Holy Name Shall Always Be!"
"GO BRIGS!!!"
Bmarbs wrote in article <19970620120...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
Jack Bornstein
In article <19970619054...@ladder02.news.aol.com>,
soat...@aol.com (SOAtlanta) wrote:
>How about Randy Rickstrom? He won I&E three times in the 80's, I think,
>unless he was lying to me.
He had to be lying. Randy Wickstrom aged out of Spirit in 1979. He taught
me in 1980 at Chattahoochee Sound & 1983 at Spirit.
He told us at the time that he'd come in second at I&E (to Rob Carson
maybe?) because of a technicality, and he'd won Canadian Nationals I&E
several times.
Nonetheless, Randy had/has terrific chops.
He taught me basically everything I know... which, come to think of it,
isn't saying all that much!
-Jack
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In article <5oahpe$o...@dfw-ixnews6.ix.netcom.com>,
dob...@ix.netcom.com(Chet Doboe ) wrote:
> I'm not to crazy about this question---however I did have some fun
>thinking about some of the amazing snare drum performances that I've
>seen over the years..... If you ever get the chance, check out Sonny
>Emory, who performs with Earth Wind and Fire. In his clinics he
>demonstrates his snare technique. He has the most amazing singles that
>you will--- ever---- experience. And he does some unreal stick tosses,
>while he's playing his butt off with all kinds of intricate stuff.
>Like nothing that you have ever seen. And compositionally speaking he
>tells a great story. Don't know if Sonny ever was in corps, but he is
>exceptional.
I saw Sonny back in the early 1980's when he won a drum contest at the
Electric Ballroom. Carmine Appice was the host/emcee and was completely
blown away by his performance. I was amazed too. Sonny was a student at
Georgia State at the time. I think his marching experience is limited to
high school, as GSU has no marching program.
RobbSi
What a thrill to be able to stand alongside some of the greatest hands
from some of the greatest lines in DCI history (Brad, Rick, Stephen,
Scott, Kevin, Mark, Robbie et. al). Pounding 15" cans in 95 degree heat;
95% humidity...a four-for-nothing, six-lapper around a cinder track.
Sweat oozing out of the foam on your rack down your back, into the elastic
on your boxers...or the leg-rest rubbing raw the indside of your left
thigh because your shorts aren't long enough...and you don't even care
because the roll is CLEAN! Really clean! You opt for another three laps,
take the afternoon off and win drums w/ a 19.4 at the season opener.
Ludwig uses a picture of the line in their ad in the Whitewater program,
but the picture is printed in reverse sparking comments like,"cool shot of
the snare line, but why are you guys drumming backwards?"
I would revel in the opportunity to drum with guys (and gals) on those
cans in that heat again! Okay. Perhaps at 40 bpm, but I could at least
'gok' on 1! Anything but gum rubber.
Dang. The baby's crying...gotta go.
Robb Sirat
Niel Levonius
On Wed, 18 Jun 1997 08:46:19 -0500, John Rauschuber
<hrn...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Papa Smurf wrote:
>>
>> Rob Carson SCV 76.He had control, speed, and chops. What do you think.
>
>Jeff Queen, Blue Knights
didn't he march SCV in '92 ??
-Niel
92,93,94 Vanguard Soprano
Richard Parente
Hi all,
How bout Ron Keck, fastest drummer using sticks in the crotch of his
arms?
Richard Parente
Hornman331
He gets my vote!
HORNMAN
Bmarbs
Kenny DeStephens a blast from my past, taught in the corps i marched in as
a
kid, hmmm saw him at our reunion a couple years ago.
JAMITOR
Ron is definitely one of the best. And, more important, he is a good
friend.
Michael T. Siglow
Next time you see Kenny, tell'em Bobby Hamilton's looking for him. I'm
sure he'll be glad to hear that.
Michael T. Siglow
Madonna 1953-64
Skyliners 1964-70,75-78,92
P.S.: Kenny was far from being considered one of the best snares.
Dr 6T9
Don't forget Danny Raymond Jr. either.
Bob V.
jamn...@earthlink.net
Hmmm....
What about Larry Finn (27th Lancers/early 80's). The man is a stoic and
godlike individual who, through the artistic flare that is his drumming,
has brought joy to legions of people across this great land of ours as
not only a performer but as an educator as well.
I hath Spake.
pete kamea
heck papa your asking opinions from people who never saw Rob Carson
perform. They were not even born.... My pick yes.. Rob Carson.
"DC Veteran of the 70's"
"Chasing windmills in the future"
nel...@sig.net
Yep, He did
Nelson
Realdeal63
What about some the great junior guys who are still playing in the seniors
now.
Frank Nash, Robbie Robinson, Ron Keck and Brian King. I would still put
these guys up against any junior guys around now.
Paul McBride.
Mudchicken
I would say the best snare drummers
Danny Raymond Jr., Mark Thurston, Jason Powell, Robbie Robinson
L8R
Anthony Cartinella
Percussion Caption Head Skyliners
Crossmen `96
Skyliners 1992 - 97
BillZman
I think that:
Bill Morgan * Randy Sanderbeck * Jan Fung
Were some of the best ever...!
BILL Z....
CRAIG W. PETERSON
Brian Callahan- I don't know how he stacks up competitively, but he's the
best teacher!
J.Keith Mac Gillivary
SCV 92, Star 93, 94, BK 95. Speed, Control, Quality of sound is
unmatched. Larry Cohon was also great. From 27 Lancers, Bridgemen, BD
and Star
Christopher Woodward
I'm gonna have to make an argument for Mike Macintosh. He marched Devs
in the late 80's and early 90's, and was the core of the instructional
staff percussion wise for Nite Express 92-96 (program coordinator 95,
design team 96). I think he's a tech for BK this summer but don't
quote me on that. Oh yeah, He also won the IPS award as outstanding
rudimental percussionist a couple of years ago. Just my 2 cents
--Woody
(Nite Express 93-96)
BSteinhilb
CHARLIE POOLE..........BOSTON CRUSADERS
Leonard P. Keesee
Allen Joanis ........ Cadets and Crossmen
Any more votes?
Dennis N. Stone
J.
Tyler Dempsey, master of all grips, speed, control, and sound quality.
SCV 95
PASIC Snare champion 96
ryan shepherd
Ah yes! Tyler made the rounds on the drumcorps circuit. Not just SCV 95.
Started w/the Colts around '90, Bluecoats 91,92, and then SCV. What a
character!
Oh! and an excellent snare drummer
Ryan "flip" Shepherd
Bluecoats 90,91
David P. Linton Jr.
I am not a drummer, but I will comment on this one. @ of the best snare
drummers that I have ever seen or heard are still playing today, in the
same corps. Fast Frank Nash, who has been in drum corps for 25 years or
so, and Robbie Robinson, who won DCI snare individuals twice. They are
both in the Caballeros. I know there are others, but these 2 are the best
that I have ever seen. Just my 2 cents.
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Louis Rivera
I always felt that Pat Petrillo was not too shabby himself... He was
very intense when he played with the Bayonne Bridgemen. (The topic DID
say ever, right?)
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Susan Zellea
Both Frank and Robbie are looking real good in those flairs and have
influenced the rest of our drum line to rise to the occasion.
Susan Zellea/Cabs Booster Staff
KDAudio
It seems to me that what makes a great snare drummer great is thier
ability to communicate the right attitude at the right time.
ATTITUDE = TIME = ABILITY = SUCCESS
- Danny Raymond Jr/Sr
- Rick Parente
- Robbie Robinson
- Mark Thurston
- Frank Nash
.............................ect.
It's great having friends!
Ron Keck
Richard Vincent Lamb
In article <EBzpq...@info.uucp>,
wden...@mach1.wlu.ca (whitney densmore s) wrote:
> "Bayou Bear" (frel...@ix.netcom.com--AKA Roger French) wrote:
> :
> :
> : Papa Smurf <st...@inxpress.net> wrote in article
> : <33A6FD...@inxpress.net>...
> : > Rob Carson SCV 76.He had control, speed, and chops. What do you think.
> : >
I have news for Papa Smurf later on.
> : Okay, hold on.
> :
> : Just because Rob Carson is one of the most well known snaredrummers in the
> : drum corps world does not necessarily make him the "best".
>
> Good logic.
>
> : This is subjective criticism to say anyone is "the best." I think
> : many people say Rob Carson is "the best snaredrummer" ever because
> : that is the *ONLY* name they can think of!
>
> I think he's the best ever.
Gee, I get to disagree with my best online friend in public. This is
rare! The Judges at the DCI snare individuals didn't think Rob Carson
was the best that year! Any guesses as to who beat him? Answer at end.
> : Can you name other snaredrummers?
>
> Yup. Danny Molina, Robbie Robinson, Tom Brown, Kelly Houpt, Ted Lenae,
> Scott Johnson, Ralph Hardimon, Steve Jeffrey, Greg Maggi, Dennis Mancini,
> Greg Dilley, Daryl Cox, Terry Shalberg, Alan Christensen...
Off on a tour of SCV's and BD's snare sections '77-'82? I don't know if I
can name all of Anaheim's and North Star's snares '78-'81!
How about some more famous names?
Tom Float...and in the strange company category, George Hopkins, Rick
Beckham, and Ken NOT IN STEP Mazur. :-)
> : Hard to do so huh.
>
> A little.
But not as hard as you might think.
> : Roger
> : Freelancers '81','82,'84 pit
>
> -^-..-^-..-^-..-^-..-^-..-^-..-^-..-^-..-^-..-^-..-^-..-^-..-^-..-^-..-^-.
>
> Whitney Densmore (aka Harper and Mathias)
> Blue Devils '81 & '82
> SCV '77, '78 & '79
> SCV 'B' '73, '74, '75, '76
Oh, yes, the person who beat Rob Carson for DCI Snare Individual Champion
at Philadelphia in 1976? None other than the current RAMD gadfly, Ken NOT
IN STEP Mazur, Phantom Regiment 1976! Now you know one of his
qualifications (and one possible reason he has for disliking Hoppy's
supposed policy of not allowing CBC people to compete in individuals! :-)
Trivially yours!
Richard "Vince" Lamb
Anaheim Kingsmen 1978
North Star 1979, 1981
Mike
Michael T. Siglow wrote:
>
> P.S.: Kenny was far from being considered one of the best snares.
at West Point, and was in fact an excellent player. It doesn't really matter,
he's still a great guy; I remember judging his lines and being judged by him
when I taught the Wayne Monarchs/King's Regiment and he taught the Cranford
Patriots in the 70's (Garden State Circuit).
Mike
Whitney Densmore
Richard Vincent Lamb (rvl...@umich.edu) wrote:
: In article <EBzpq...@info.uucp>,
: wden...@mach1.wlu.ca (whitney densmore s) wrote:
:
: > : Papa Smurf <st...@inxpress.net> wrote in article
: > : <33A6FD...@inxpress.net>...
: > : > Rob Carson SCV 76.He had control, speed, and chops. What do you think.
I don't recall seeing Rob in '76, to be honest with you. None of my
older sisters marched that year, therefore, my sister Charlotte and I only
went to B corps rehearsals (and didn't hang out at the A corps rehearsals
like we had 72-75.)
: I have news for Papa Smurf later on.
:
: > : Okay, hold on.
: > :
: > : Just because Rob Carson is one of the most well known snaredrummers in the
: > : drum corps world does not necessarily make him the "best".
: >
: > Good logic.
: >
: > : This is subjective criticism to say anyone is "the best." I think
: > : many people say Rob Carson is "the best snaredrummer" ever because
: > : that is the *ONLY* name they can think of!
: >
: > I think he's the best ever.
:
: Gee, I get to disagree with my best online friend in public. This is
: rare! The Judges at the DCI snare individuals didn't think Rob Carson
: was the best that year!
As I mentioned, I didn't see Rob in '76. I rated Rob as the best
snaredrummer *ever*, not Rob's playing in '76 as the best snaredrummer
ever :). He improved as he became omnipotent in the late seventies. Not
only did he believe that he was at one with God, but he believed that he
could heal people (Greg Maggi who came to rehearsal after a skateboarding
accident did not share Rob's belief. There was no way Greg was putting on a
drum that night!)
The most memorable year I saw him play (I think -- obviously his playing
was more memorable than the year :) was in '79. The corps got to go see
the individual competitions at finals that year and I was more impressed
by Rob's performance that day than I have been with any other single
individual performance of any kind, at any time. Intense. (Except when
he kept breaking his drum heads :-7)
But then again, I'm no percussionist, so wha'do I know? :)
: Any guesses as to who beat him? Answer at end.
:
: > : Can you name other snaredrummers?
: >
: > Yup. Danny Molina, Robbie Robinson, Tom Brown, Kelly Houpt, Ted Lenae,
: > Scott Johnson, Ralph Hardimon, Steve Jeffrey, Greg Maggi, Dennis Mancini,
: > Greg Dilley, Daryl Cox, Terry Shalberg, Alan Christensen...
:
: Off on a tour of SCV's and BD's snare sections '77-'82?
Not exactly. Danny, Robbie, and Kelly were in BD '81 and/or '82; Steve,
both Greg's, Dennis, Daryl and Ted were in SCV during 77, 78 &/or '79.. but
Scott and Terry were in BD before that, Ralph was in the Anaheim
Kingsmen in the early seventies, and Alan and Tom were in SCV when my
older sisters marched, 72, 73, 74, &/or 75.
: I don't know if I can name all of Anaheim's and North Star's snares
: '78-'81!
I can't do that for SCV and BD for 77-82 either. I'm better with SCV
since I was a great fan of their drum line while I was in the B corps,
*plus*, I sat on Bus 2, the drummers' bus while in the A corps.
: How about some more famous names?
:
: Tom Float...and in the strange company category, George Hopkins, Rick
: Beckham, and Ken NOT IN STEP Mazur. :-)
Gee, what about Lee Rudnicki?
: > : Hard to do so huh.
: >
: > A little.
:
: But not as hard as you might think.
Never say hard... oh, nevermind ;-)
: > : Roger
: > : Freelancers '81','82,'84 pit
: >
: > -^-..-^-..-^-..-^-..-^-..-^-..-^-..-^-..-^-..-^-..-^-..-^-..-^-..-^-..-^-.
: >
: > Whitney Densmore (aka Harper and Mathias)
: > Blue Devils '81 & '82
: > SCV '77, '78 & '79
: > SCV 'B' '73, '74, '75, '76
:
: Oh, yes, the person who beat Rob Carson for DCI Snare Individual Champion
: at Philadelphia in 1976? None other than the current RAMD gadfly, Ken NOT
: IN STEP Mazur, Phantom Regiment 1976!
That would have been fun to witness. However, I only went to one individual
competition in 5 years of competing at finals :(
: Now you know one of his qualifications (and one possible reason he
: has for disliking Hoppy's supposed policy of not allowing CBC people
: to compete in individuals! :-)
*Hoppy's* policy? That wouldn't be an individual's policy, that would be
the *'corps'* policy, no? :->
: Trivially yours!
:
: Richard "Vince" Lamb
: Anaheim Kingsmen 1978
: North Star 1979, 1981
Now how would you know about individual snare competitions when you
didn't even march in '76???
Never ceased to be amazed by Vince,
Whitney
Tom Tufaro
My vote is for Mark Holob, bass tech for the Caballeros. In 95, I
decided it was time for me to do something new. I quit the hornline and
joined the drumline as the 4th bass. Mark basically taught me how
(which was a feat in itself).
Enough of his teaching prowess. When this boy throws on a snare, man can
he shed. Total quality and balance...not to mention he plays the shit
out of the drum. He is infamous for busting on the 5th (sometimes 6th)
bass drummer for not playing open rolls cleanly. If you've ever played
a big bass you know how funky those heads can get; similar to playing
into a pillow. Mark walks up, grabs the mallets, and throws a fat,
open, clean roll at about 170.
My second place vote goes to Vic "The Tick" from the Cabs line (and the
'92 Cadets). I've known him since he played triples in high school
band. He is basically a younger version of Mark.
I still suck
Tom Tufaro
Caballeros
Contraline 90,91,94
Bassline 95,96
David Barth
I nominate Larry Visconte, of the Sunrisers. Is there anyone as old (hi
hi), that has played non-stop year after year. He is Superman I say. And
he still has a full head of hair to boot! It's time for me to get out
the practice pad, as there is living proof that drumming leads to a long
happy life.
Dave Barth
Chad Gay
IMHO, the best snare drummer I ever saw (and I'm sure people will argue
this to the death and give me five hundred other names, but this is the
best that I have seen) was Rich Viano. Rich could do all the tricks and the
fancy crap, but he had great control at all dynamic levels (and a DAMN good
ppp open roll!).
...like I said, people will think I'm crazy and bring up some name from the
'70's, but I wasn't watching corps in the '70's and Rich was the best I saw
from '89-'93.
(I was watching Sesame Street in the '70's, thank you very much)
Chad
damaj
interested in rich's solo see http://www.skokboks.com and check out
products!!! it is awesome
Chad Gay <red...@skyenet.net> wrote in article
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wilksucks
charlie was awesome
BSteinhilb <bstei...@aol.com> wrote in article
<19970626204...@ladder02.news.aol.com>...
>
> CHARLIE POOLE..........BOSTON CRUSADERS
>
CPewthers
i think roger carter from the blue devils 92-95
DinoVacume
Chris Robinson BD . . .even though he played tenor
MrOrange57
JEFF QUEEN.......SCV 92, BK 93-95, UNT
Marwan A. Saidi
"Chad Gay" <red...@skyenet.net> wrote:
>IMHO, the best snare drummer I ever saw (and I'm sure people will argue
>this to the death and give me five hundred other names, but this is the
>best that I have seen) was Rich Viano. Rich could do all the tricks and the
>fancy crap, but he had great control at all dynamic levels (and a DAMN good
>ppp open roll!).
>
>...like I said, people will think I'm crazy and bring up some name from the
>'70's, but I wasn't watching corps in the '70's and Rich was the best I saw
>from '89-'93.
>
>(I was watching Sesame Street in the '70's, thank you very much)
>
> Chad
True.
I was lucky enough to march with Rich in 87 & 88, and I was there for
his I&E championship (with Star in 89) Not only a great player, but a
great guy as well (and now a family man!)
Moulton
I just have to say this.
Chris Wildrick :) (Marched at Brigs and Cru...) (he is after all my true
love...I have to say it ;)
Don't argue with this...it's a joke :) But he is good ;) ...Uhhh...at
drumming...he's a good drummer.
Erin
BobDogWCU
Jeremy Schilling and Larry Cauley (Cadets an Crossmen)
stephen c jr snowden
MrOrange57 (mrora...@aol.com) wrote:
: JEFF QUEEN.......SCV 92, BK 93-95, UNT
I would have to agree that Jeff is an AWSOME snare drummer. And not to
mention a good guy.
-Steve
BK Contra 95
Chris Goodwin
Marching:
Rich Viano - SunCoast Sound 84-88, Star 89
MoreHead State Univ.
P.A.S. Indv. Champion 89
D.C.I. Indv. Champion 89
Future Corps Triple-Bass Drummer
Magic Staff 90-92, 94-
Mickey Hartzog - Cadets of Grease 78, Northmen 79-85
SunCoast Sound 86-87, SkyRyders 88-89
Phantom Regiment 90
McNeese State Univ.
Univ. of North Texas
DCM INDV. Champion 89
P.A.S. Indv. Champion 92
SkyRyders Staff 91, Magic Caption Head 92-93,
Northern Aurora Caption Head 94
Lone Star Caption Head 96-Present
Orchestral:
Alan Abel - Co-Principal Phil. Orch.
Brian Del Signore - Principal Houston Symphony
Buster Bailey - Former Principal NY Phil.
Chris Lamb - Principal NY Phil.
Chris Goodwin
Magic 92
Lone Star Staff 95-96
Scott Yuppa
No fucking way!
John Marino aka "Moon". Bridgemen 1978-1980 (I believe) passed away last
week (7-8-97). My best to the Marino family (Bayonne, NJ)
BobDogWCU <bobd...@aol.com> wrote in article
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S. MONTOYA
Yes, He was the man. Don't forget his days at VK 90-91. I agree with both
of you.
Scott VK Sop 90-91
Elwood11
What number snare was John in 1980 by the way??? And my condolences to
his family.
DinoVacume
SSSSSSSSSSSSSSCCCCCCCCOOOOOOOOOOTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
JJJJJJOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNNSSSSSSSSSSSOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!
the man has a triple crown!!!!!!!! A very rare accomplishment
Richard Vincent Lamb
Well, Whitney is giving me a run for Most Accurate! :-)
On Tue, 1 Jul 1997, Whitney Densmore wrote:
> Richard Vincent Lamb (rvl...@umich.edu) wrote:
> : In article <EBzpq...@info.uucp>,
> : wden...@mach1.wlu.ca (whitney densmore s) wrote:
> :
> : > : Papa Smurf <st...@inxpress.net> wrote in article
> : > : <33A6FD...@inxpress.net>...
> : > : > Rob Carson SCV 76.He had control, speed, and chops. What do you think.
>
> I don't recall seeing Rob in '76, to be honest with you. None of my
> older sisters marched that year, therefore, my sister Charlotte and I only
> went to B corps rehearsals (and didn't hang out at the A corps rehearsals
> like we had 72-75.)
That was a good year to miss. SCV playing jazz! :-P
> : >
> : > : This is subjective criticism to say anyone is "the best." I think
> : > : many people say Rob Carson is "the best snaredrummer" ever because
> : > : that is the *ONLY* name they can think of!
> : >
> : > I think he's the best ever.
> :
> : Gee, I get to disagree with my best online friend in public. This is
> : rare! The Judges at the DCI snare individuals didn't think Rob Carson
> : was the best that year!
>
> As I mentioned, I didn't see Rob in '76. I rated Rob as the best
> snaredrummer *ever*, not Rob's playing in '76 as the best snaredrummer
I can't disagree with this assessment!
> ever :). He improved as he became omnipotent in the late seventies. Not
> only did he believe that he was at one with God, but he believed that he
> could heal people (Greg Maggi who came to rehearsal after a skateboarding
> accident did not share Rob's belief. There was no way Greg was putting on a
> drum that night!)
:-D
> The most memorable year I saw him play (I think -- obviously his playing
> was more memorable than the year :) was in '79. The corps got to go see
> the individual competitions at finals that year
That was probably the best part of that year. :-/
> and I was more impressed
> by Rob's performance that day than I have been with any other single
> individual performance of any kind, at any time. Intense. (Except when
> he kept breaking his drum heads :-7)
:-D :-7
But did he win?
> But then again, I'm no percussionist, so wha'do I know? :)
Enough to fool people on RAMD into thinking you were a percussionist. :-)
> : Any guesses as to who beat him? Answer at end.
> :
> : > : Can you name other snaredrummers?
> : >
> : > Yup. Danny Molina, Robbie Robinson, Tom Brown, Kelly Houpt, Ted Lenae,
> : > Scott Johnson, Ralph Hardimon, Steve Jeffrey, Greg Maggi, Dennis Mancini,
> : > Greg Dilley, Daryl Cox, Terry Shalberg, Alan Christensen...
> :
> : Off on a tour of SCV's and BD's snare sections '77-'82?
>
> Not exactly. Danny, Robbie, and Kelly were in BD '81 and/or '82; Steve,
> both Greg's, Dennis, Daryl and Ted were in SCV during 77, 78 &/or '79.. but
> Scott and Terry were in BD before that, Ralph was in the Anaheim
> Kingsmen in the early seventies, and Alan and Tom were in SCV when my
> older sisters marched, 72, 73, 74, &/or 75.
OK. You do have a head for trivia!
> : I don't know if I can name all of Anaheim's and North Star's snares
> : '78-'81!
>
> I can't do that for SCV and BD for 77-82 either. I'm better with SCV
> since I was a great fan of their drum line while I was in the B corps,
> *plus*, I sat on Bus 2, the drummers' bus while in the A corps.
Ah, no wonder people think you're a drummer!
> : How about some more famous names?
> :
> : Tom Float...and in the strange company category, George Hopkins, Rick
> : Beckham, and Ken NOT IN STEP Mazur. :-)
>
> Gee, what about Lee Rudnicki?
Um, I remember Martha Leeson posting that he was a tenor player in 1987,
not a snare.
> : > : Hard to do so huh.
> : >
> : > A little.
> :
> : But not as hard as you might think.
>
> Never say hard... oh, nevermind ;-)
But my nickname isn't pervert anymore! ;-)
> :
> : Oh, yes, the person who beat Rob Carson for DCI Snare Individual Champion
> : at Philadelphia in 1976? None other than the current RAMD gadfly, Ken NOT
> : IN STEP Mazur, Phantom Regiment 1976!
>
> That would have been fun to witness. However, I only went to one individual
> competition in 5 years of competing at finals :(
I have to eat crow on this one. Rick Beckham has informed me that Rob
Carson did not compete in 1976. Instead, Ken beat the 1977 winner, Scott
Johnson. However, Ken and Rob did compete in 1975. Ken came in second.
Rob came in third, so Ken did beat Rob! Steve Chorzy won, whoever he is!
:-)
> : Now you know one of his qualifications (and one possible reason he
> : has for disliking Hoppy's supposed policy of not allowing CBC people
> : to compete in individuals! :-)
>
> *Hoppy's* policy? That wouldn't be an individual's policy, that would be
> the *'corps'* policy, no? :->
Touche!
> : Trivially yours!
> :
> : Richard "Vince" Lamb
> : Anaheim Kingsmen 1978
> : North Star 1979, 1981
>
> Now how would you know about individual snare competitions when you
> didn't even march in '76???
I do my research. :-)
> Never ceased to be amazed by Vince,
:-)
> Whitney
>
>
Vince
Whitney Densmore
Banter between a colorguard person and a horn player in a percussion thread.
At least there's no pecking! :->
On Mon, 21 Jul 1997, Richard Vincent Lamb wrote:
> Well, Whitney is giving me a run for Most Accurate! :-)
:-D I'd still vote for you if I were nominated.
> On Tue, 1 Jul 1997, Whitney Densmore wrote:
>
> > Richard Vincent Lamb (rvl...@umich.edu) wrote:
> > : In article <EBzpq...@info.uucp>,
> > : wden...@mach1.wlu.ca (whitney densmore s) wrote:
Geez, we haven't had this kind of exchange since the '96 gRAMDies. Where
are your 1997 acceptance speeches anyway, Vince?
> > : > : Papa Smurf <st...@inxpress.net> wrote in article
> > : > : <33A6FD...@inxpress.net>...
> > : > : > Rob Carson SCV 76.He had control, speed, and chops. What do
> > : > : > you think.
I agree, but in '79, not '76 :) Besides, he wasn't hard to look at ;-)
> > I don't recall seeing Rob in '76, to be honest with you. None of my
> > older sisters marched that year, therefore, my sister Charlotte and I only
> > went to B corps rehearsals (and didn't hang out at the A corps rehearsals
> > like we had 72-75.)
>
> That was a good year to miss. SCV playing jazz! :-P
I *know*. EW! Actually, had I been one year older, I would have had a
spot that opened up during the season. I think that Shari Horn moved up,
if my (inconsistent) memory serves me correct. I'm glad I was only 12.
I think we in the B corps color guard kicked some major butt the winter
guard season that followed (but I could be making this all up too. :-)
<snip!>
> > As I mentioned, I didn't see Rob in '76. I rated Rob as the best
> > snaredrummer *ever*, not Rob's playing in '76 as the best snaredrummer
>
> I can't disagree with this assessment!
Thank YOU!
<snip!>
> > The most memorable year I saw him play (I think -- obviously his playing
> > was more memorable than the year :) was in '79. The corps got to go see
> > the individual competitions at finals that year
>
> That was probably the best part of that year. :-/
Not really. The show was not that great, I *hated* the bedposts and the
stupid rehearsal etiquette that went along with it (remember the white
baseball bat story?), the OTL was a *BORE*, and GR's outburst after finals
was unforgivable. However, the members in that corps were great, most of
the staff was awesome, and watching that drum line several times, up
close, was one of the greatest pleasures a percussion lover could ever ask
for.
> > and I was more impressed
> > by Rob's performance that day than I have been with any other single
> > individual performance of any kind, at any time. Intense. (Except when
> > he kept breaking his drum heads :-7)
>
> :-D :-7
>
> But did he win?
Aw, man! I *think* so. But RAMD isn't necessarily about the judge's
opinion and this thread is about RAMDer's opinions. (You learned me real
good :-)
> > But then again, I'm no percussionist, so wha'do I know? :)
>
> Enough to fool people on RAMD into thinking you were a percussionist. :-)
Maybe it was my hands ;-)
<snip!>
> > : > : Can you name other snaredrummers?
> > : >
> > : > Yup. Danny Molina,
who started in the BD C corps when he was younger than 9.
> > : > Robbie Robinson,
...who went from Crossmen, to BD, back to Crossmen (right? Didn't
Crossmen's drumline beat BD's the year ['81] that Robbie was in BD? The
Fun-niner was never the same :->
> > : > Tom Brown,
Holy Bags! Tom's posted here at RAMD :)
> > : > Kelly Houpt,
Saw her at the BD alumni gig. She's single and looking good, guys!
> > : > Ted Lenae, Scott Johnson, Ralph Hardimon,
We all pretty much know what the latter two have been up to.
> > : > Steve Jeffrey, Greg Maggi, Dennis Mancini, Greg Dilley,
Greg. Heeheehee. He's *definitely* posted to RAMD ]:-)
> > : > Daryl Cox, Terry Shalberg, Alan Christensen...
Terry also taught BD for a year or two (definitely '81). Alan taught a
few corps... Seneca Optimists fer sure, but didn't/doesn't he judge also?
> > : Off on a tour of SCV's and BD's snare sections '77-'82?
> >
> > Not exactly. Danny, Robbie, and Kelly were in BD '81 and/or '82; Steve,
> > both Greg's, Dennis, Daryl and Ted were in SCV during 77, 78 &/or '79..
> > but Scott and Terry were in BD before that, Ralph was in the Anaheim
> > Kingsmen in the early seventies, and Alan and Tom were in SCV when my
> > older sisters marched, 72, 73, 74, &/or 75.
>
> OK. You do have a head for trivia!
A bit. You and RAMD make me remember.
> > : I don't know if I can name all of Anaheim's and North Star's snares
> > : '78-'81!
> >
> > I can't do that for SCV and BD for 77-82 either. I'm better with SCV
> > since I was a great fan of their drum line while I was in the B corps,
> > *plus*, I sat on Bus 2, the drummers' bus while in the A corps.
>
> Ah, no wonder people think you're a drummer!
I never confused those on the bus. No one in the drum line had breasts,
back then. :-) 3
> > : How about some more famous names?
> > :
> > : Tom Float...and in the strange company category, George Hopkins, Rick
> > : Beckham, and Ken NOT IN STEP Mazur. :-)
Based only on what I've read at RAMD, I'd bet that when it comes to
ranking best snaredummer, Ken would be ranked first, then Rick, then
Hoppy. Not sure about Tom's playing, only his teaching, in which he
would be ranked over of all three.
> > Gee, what about Lee Rudnicki?
>
> Um, I remember Martha Leeson posting that he was a tenor player in 1987,
> not a snare.
Ooopsie! But wait! Hmm... I thought he said he played next to... okay,
time for a trip to dejanews!
In msg id <4ovhsf$2...@newsbf02.news.aol.com> lrud...@aol.com (LRUDNICKI)
wrote in June of 1996 in his retirement from marching percussion speech:
<with HUMONGO snips!>
George Hopkins- I know you were not thrilled taking a snare drummer
that was going to SCV the next year regardless of what happened, but
I want you to know that 1986 Cadets was one of the greatest learning
experiences of my life. I will always support the Cadets Organization,
and I was lucky to have stumbled into it....
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
<wjd: interesting choice of words :->
...George should probably be running CBS or ABC, not the CMBC
(or DCI for that matter.)....
<wjd: No Comment! :->
...Willy Higgins- Most focused snare drummer I've ever marched
next to....
(wjd: AHA! This is why I remember he was a snare drummer. Willy is my
kids' uncle :-)
<end of excerpt>
Geez, no wonder I was nominated as 'biggest namedropper' :-> How about
resident RAMD gossip? Anyway, between your memory and my dejanews usage,
we are a dangerous pair :)
Hmm... maybe he *did* march tenor in '87 though. Perhaps we're both right!
> > : > : Hard to do so huh.
> > : >
> > : > A little.
> > :
> > : But not as hard as you might think.
> >
> > Never say hard... oh, nevermind ;-)
>
> But my nickname isn't pervert anymore! ;-)
Maybe it's not one that *you* use for yourself. I read your response in
the 'Floored By Cadets' thread (and no, I won't tell you if I'm apt to be
a U$C or UCLA cheerleader , * /) nor a PSU or USO alum.)
(:)-|-< |==B
' * \(
> > : Oh, yes, the person who beat Rob Carson for DCI Snare Individual
> > : Champion at Philadelphia in 1976? None other than the current
> > : RAMD gadfly, Ken NOT > > : IN STEP Mazur, Phantom Regiment 1976!
> >
> > That would have been fun to witness. However, I only went to one
> > individual competition in 5 years of competing at finals :(
>
> I have to eat crow on this one. Rick Beckham has informed me that Rob
> Carson did not compete in 1976. Instead, Ken beat the 1977 winner, Scott
> Johnson.
Cool!
> However, Ken and Rob did compete in 1975. Ken came in second.
Before I read RAMD, I would have wondered who the hell Ken Mazur is :-)
> Rob came in third, so Ken did beat Rob! Steve Chorzy won, whoever he is!
> :-)
Steve Chorzy... I think he marched in Troopers, then SCV, and perhaps BD.
But then maybe I'm confusing his being in BD with Patty Ann Rago who I
believe was his gf who went from SCV to BD while he stayed in SCV. But
then again, maybe I'm just completely confused %-) There's a whole bunch
of SCV alum that read this newsgroup that hardly ever dig me out of the
holes I dig, so take my 20-year-old gossip for what it's worth :-)
> > : Now you know one of his qualifications (and one possible reason he
> > : has for disliking Hoppy's supposed policy of not allowing CBC people
> > : to compete in individuals! :-)
> >
> > *Hoppy's* policy? That wouldn't be an individual's policy, that would be
> > the *'corps'* policy, no? :->
>
> Touche!
En garde! I *do* spin a mean sabre.
> > : Trivially yours!
> > :
> > : Richard "Vince" Lamb
> > : Anaheim Kingsmen 1978
> > : North Star 1979, 1981
> >
> > Now how would you know about individual snare competitions when you
> > didn't even march in '76???
>
> I do my research. :-)
:-D
> > Never ceased to be amazed by Vince,
>
> :-)
What, no blush this time? I'll have to work harder next time.
> > Whitney
> Vince
Whitney
ps. Ken, Rick, anyone still with us?
pps: *Excellent* review of the July 17/97 Dallas show, Rick. It's filed
in my gRAMDies.98 folder with other possible nominees.
Rick Beckham
In message "Best Snaredrummer ever.", wden...@mach1.wlu.ca writes:
> Whitney
>
> ps. Ken, Rick, anyone still with us?
> pps: *Excellent* review of the July 17/97 Dallas show, Rick. It's filed
> in my gRAMDies.98 folder with other possible nominees.
>
Thanks Whitney.
Stuart R. Miyasato
Just a quick note, then back to lurking...
In article <Pine.3.89.9707211...@mach1.wlu.ca>,
Whitney Densmore <wden...@mach1.wlu.ca> wrote:
>On Mon, 21 Jul 1997, Richard Vincent Lamb wrote:
>> On Tue, 1 Jul 1997, Whitney Densmore wrote:
>> > Gee, what about Lee Rudnicki?
>>
>> Um, I remember Martha Leeson posting that he was a tenor player in 1987,
>> not a snare.
>
>Ooopsie! But wait! Hmm... I thought he said he played next to... okay,
>time for a trip to dejanews!
>[snip]
>Hmm... maybe he *did* march tenor in '87 though. Perhaps we're both right!
Nope, Lee did march snare in '87. As both Whitney and Vince know, SCV '87
is my favorite show ever. :-) The snareline that year was Joe Gilster,
Lee Rudnicki, Sean Haynes, Ty Hardaway, James Travers, Mike Needham, and
Nathan Beck. (I think I even got the order right.) I recall some amusing
stories that Ty had about Lee that year. I saved almost the entire "Mike
and Ty" thread. :-)
-- Stuart Miyasato (miya...@leland.stanford.edu)
OjaBrooks
Doesn't anyone remember Rob Carson SCV early 70s? Great player!
TAllen8647
Billy Conklin : Garfield Cadets 7?-81
Bayonne Bridgemen 82-84
Bayonne Raiders -- Snare Tech.
SOAtlanta
Billy Hames: Cavaliers 1991
Didn't I say that already? Just wondering what anyone else thought of the
man who could play paradiddles so fast, a judge at I&E mistook them for a
roll.
Sean Taylor
Sprayberry High School: snare '91-'93
Spirit of Atlanta: (bass '94), tenors '95
Atlanta Rhythm Machine (WGI Independent): bass '95 (World Champions)-'96
Atlanta Olympic Band: snare '94-'95,'96 (section leader)
Chris Goodwin
Orchestral:
Alan Abel - Phil. Orch - Co-Prins.
Buster Bailey - N.Y. Phil - Prins.
Brian Del Signore - Houston Sym - Prins.
Chris Lamb - N.Y. Phil - Prins.
Mickey Brookspan - Phil. Orch - Co-Prins.
Marching:
Marty Hurley ( I Don't really like his style, but he still has
incredible Chops)
Rich Viano - SunCoast Sound 84-88, Star 89
D.C.I./P.A.S. - Individuals
Magic Staff 90-92, 94-
MoreHead State Univ.
Future Corps Triple-Bass Drummer
Mickey Hartzog - Various Small Corps 78-85
SunCoast Sound 86-87
Sky Ryders 88-89
Phantom Regiment 1990
McNeese State
U.N.T.
Taught - Sky Ryders, Magic, Northern Aurora, Blue Devel B, Lone Star)
Snaredrum3
Not to step on any of the truly great snare dummers of the last 50 years,
but a little known snare drummer from a moderately successful drum corps
of the Troopers.... named Mike Bailey ..... started THINKING about his
individual preformance the night(1986) before I/E....... he took 2nd the
next day! In 1987 he jumped in with the drum line 3 weeks before nats.,
and the snare line was one of the stronger lines on the field(the rest of
the drum line was weak) One other thing, he was taught alot of what he
knew by another amazing snare drummer for his time Jim Jones!!!!!!
AJLisko
Don't know why I failed to mention this name in the past regarding this
thread. But, the name of Charlie Aikens of
St. Vinnie's/Woodsiders/Amboy/Ballentine and Hawthorne for at least one
season has to be added to the list.
Power, speed and execution - the three ingrediants of success - were all
part of his forte. And let us not forget Charlie's great "hidden drum
stick" trick which marveled so many of us at individual shows.
Thanks Charlie - you're truly one of the greats!!!
Andy Lisko
St. Raphael's/Bpt. PAL 58-68
NY Skyliners 69-81
VCColy
Appreciate knowing some of the "older" guys who were snare greats!!!!!!
Some of you may have hear of Eric Perriloux. He sometimes writes for Drum
Corps World. Hard Eric was one of the greats in the 50's.
As for modern day....I haven't heard anyone who could hold a candle to Pat
Petrillo of the Bridgemen (1979 - 83) or to Steve Campbell (Bluewater Bucs
1979-82...then Blue Devils 1984-87).
Just my 2 cents!
Vic C.
Reed
Did anyone mention that guy in the late 80s from Suncoast Sound and Star
by the name of....
V...... V-something.
I recall him being pretty good in 1989 indivduals.
TRIgoe
>>LARRY Cohen was a Great snare. he was with 27, Bridgemen, BD and Star.
He stared marching Bridgemen when he was like 14 or 15. He was the
short guy on the end for one of the blind fold years.
<<
That would '83 and he was 15. And having marched with him that year I can
truly say that boy has the fattest flams I've ever heard. I mean you can
drive a truck between his grace notes. And flam fives?? You gotta be
kidding me!!
*Joke!*
Actually, Im sure my pal Larry (who has the some of the most immaculate
flams I've ever heard) is reading this thread comfortably in his office in
Seattle at the moment and I could not resist busting his cahoonas.
TI
PS... he didn't win individuals but he was drum sergeant of the Devils
in '87 and '88 I believe.
PSS.... one interesting little note that some might find amusing. I was
doing a clinic at a store in Washington and Larry and I just started
playing on a couple of snare drums and playing Bridgemen snare parts from
81-83. Amazing, we STILL remember almost all of them. Fun!
ADuncan679
You may be referring to Rich Viano. He's a great guy and an incredible
drummer!
Ann Duncan
Mike
TRIgoe wrote:
>
>Larry and I just started
> playing on a couple of snare drums and playing Bridgemen snare parts from
> 81-83. Amazing, we STILL remember almost all of them.
in a Garden State corps in 68 and 69, we used to memorize a lot of the BS Golden
Knight drum solos, and I can still remember THEM. I can remember a few of my baritone
parts from the Garfield 72 show, where I was the star (ha!!) 3rd baritone player, but
not too many. Part of 'Mars' (guess which!), a bit of 'Jupiter', the end of the
Mahler 3rd symphony (1972's Peace sign tune), and a fragment of our opener, 'The
Sinfonians'.
Mike
