Remembering the Purple Lancers (new Fanfare column at www.dci.org)
Boomike
Lancers of Auburn, NY. This is the 30th anniversary of the 1974 corps' jump
into DCI World finals.
At www.dci.org.
I'd love to hear from anyone else who has a story to share...about anything.
Michael Boo
boo...@dci.org
TerriGolden1957
>From: boo...@aol.com (Boomike)
>Date: 9/17/2004 9:32 AM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <20040917103218...@mb-m25.aol.com>
That's cool that they made finals in '74 but not to be obvious, it was in their
own backyard, they were a one-hit wonder and barely heard of again.
Now my corps, we made finals four time, had at least three awesome brasslines
(taught and arranged by Tim Salzman) and I never hear anything about them.
Heck, Cheryl Pesceone marched in the Guardsmen. And Allan Maass (Rick Maass's
son)
-Terri
Boomike
(taught and arranged by Tim Salzman) and I never hear anything about them.>>
Terri: You've read about Purple Lancers because someone sent me something about
them for Fanfare. Now, if you want to send me something about Guardsmen for a
future Fanfare column, I'd be delighted to use it.
Mike
Catherine
"Boomike" <boo...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040917103218...@mb-m25.aol.com...
Here's one, Mike:
"Auburn was the corps that told the fledgling DCI organization to fuck off.
They made finals.
Then DCI told them they'd have to tour, and outlined the costs and
obligations.
So the Auburn BoD said that's not what they wanted to do with their corps.
And neatly closed the doors and folded the corps.
So the kids and staff ended up in Squires and Avant Garde. And note how long
those groups lasted."
Geneva
sent this in? Did I deserve this sort of response? I'm confused. I was
just trying to express an opinion. Apparently, I need to be further
educated on this matter, because I have no idea what hit me. Can
someone enlighten me?
The following is my epilogue to the Fanfare column article I wrote on
the 1974 Auburn Purple Lancers which can currently be viewed on
dci.org at http://www.dci.org/news/news.cfm?news_id=97bd275f-87e1-40c1-9d9d-6a70d69dbf5a
Since it was apparently too political for the DCI web site, it was
edited out of the article. I thought it was an important message and
wanted to see if I could stimulate a discussion on the various corps
sites out there. So here it is and the reception I received from the
moderator of the Old Style Bugle Corps site…
Epilogue
I feel like my drum corps experience bridged an important transition
time in junior drum corps history. During this time, drum corps became
more musically sophisticated, show concepts broadened, drills spread
and became less symmetrical, tonality entered the percussion sections,
and drum corps started to play less of the more readily recognized
popular music and more of the obscure symphonic band pieces.
Without a doubt today's drum corps are better musical organizations
that are able to perform shows of which we couldn't even dream. The
corps musicians have a level of musical sophistication that enables
them to quickly adapt show changes even in the middle of the season.
This was something that most corps in my day found very difficult to
do.
However, the cost of this evolution is the loss of a community basis
for drum corps and a change in the activity's role as a local youth
activity that trained new musicians.
The activity is no longer as accessible to the young person of average
ability (at least on the Division I level). There is something to be
said for the charm of drum corps in my day, whereby it was not
unrealistic to dream of building a local organization into a national
contender. The alarming number of corps folding over the last thirty
years is testament that this evolution has made such dreams
unrealistic now.
It is my hope that DCI could focus on and enable the grass roots
redevelopment of local drum corps with restricted rules aimed at
containing costs, a formula that was so successful at one time and
brought drum corps to its present level of sophistication. The pay-off
would be the rewards of introducing so many more youth to the joys of
performance.
Without DCI, drum corps may not even exist today. Given the economic
and social changes and the abdication of the initial sponsoring
organizations (American Legion, VFW, CYO, churches), the rise of the
competitive marching bands, and the myriad other activities which kids
now have to choose from, I agree that DCI should be proud. It has not
only preserved the activity but fostered the excellence which some of
today's units have achieved. Nevertheless, I believe that the future
of the activity lies in producing an environment in which new
start-ups are not so prohibitively expensive. DCI should take a lead
role here.
Old drum corps was a very sound concept that deserves to be revived in
a "traditional" class. Of course, all this is dependent on there being
the receptive audience of potential members. Here I must admit that
times may have changed enough that kids would not be interested in
that form of the activity. A "traditional class" may be a
necessary-but-not-sufficient stimulus, but should at least be given a
chance. DCI has the ability to redevelop such an alternative on paper.
Where it goes would be anyone's guess.
GCW
Ų --- In oldstyleb...@yahoogroups.com, "Catherine Burr"
> wrote:
> > I don't believe in much of what you say. I don't think anything
> with DCI having to do with it has anything to do with drum & bugle
> corps, let alone honest business and ethics nor anything any ethical
> fraternal organization would want to have anything to do with.
> >
> > Much of your commentary already reflects the DCI "evolution" - and
> not drum & bugle corps. Therefore, it's amusing - and revealing -
> that blandos thought it too radical to consider. There's the answer
> to anyone who has any hope of DCI and drum & bugle corps being terms
> possibly consistent in any way.
> >
> > -- Catherine
Ų The point of my epilogue was that that while DCI has evolved into
> something which is far different from drum corps as we knew it in
> the 60s and 70s, DCI would be wise not to completely turn its back
> on its roots. The cost will be the complete extinction of the
> activity aside from marching band. It is still distinct from that,
> if only in its commitment to brass only and its wide recognition as
> the highest performance level of the marching music genre in
> existence today. Because of this it appeals to the most talented and
> motivated young musicians today. What DCI must come to terms with is
> that the more community oriented activity in its original form which
> served as a training ground for new musicians should not be lost and
> needs to be fostered even if only for self-serving reasons (a way to
> form and keep more units in their activity).
>
> The development of a regional circuit structure, weekend only
> scheduling which enables members to still support themselves, the
> elimination of expensive pit equipment, and the "recycling" use of G
> bugles (now available in abundance as cast-offs)would be important
> aspects of this traditional class of the activity. I would believe
> that any organization which hopes to see itself continue as an
> entity distinct from marching band and on the highest performance
> echelon of the activity would see this as a simple conceptual
> supporting arm of their activity. We, of course, will always hope
> that such an arm of the activity could reemerge as the unique and
> vital style we once knew and loved.
>
> Alumni corps, while a great way to relive what we knew, will become
> an extinct footnote to the activity unless we can find a way to
> bring more young people on board.
>
> Geoff
Catherine Burr <songs...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Ų DCI turned its back on drum & bugle corps the moment it was
conceived.
Drum & bugle corps also appeals to the most talented musicians - just
as
good marching bands do, for some of the same and for some very
different
reasons.
Don't worry about alumni corps - nor sound such dire predictions,
while DCIA
certainly warrants (from the actual evidence) dire predictions. All
alumni
corps needs to thrive is for DCIA to leave us the HELL ALONE.
Your post has been refused, and you are now on moderation status on
this
board. The fact that this subject coincides with Boomike's RAMD posts
doesn't help you.
If you are here to be an apologist for DCI and DCA, I would recommend
you
find somewhere else where those views are appreciated. They are not on
this
discussion group. DCI and DCA are NOT drum & bugle corps, and have not
been
so for decades.
-- Catherine
>
Time out, Catherine! An apologist I am not. My drum corps roots go
back to the G-D bugle era and I have marched alumni corps. Apparently
your site does not subscribe to civil discourse on this topic, but is
only a sounding board for those with totally inflexible views set in
concrete!! Suspend me, I could care less.
Geoff
Catherine Burr <cather...@yahoo.com> wrote:
If you were interested in civil discourse on a DCI-era topic, you
would engage me and show me where I am wrong - rather than invoking
that you once played a G-D bugle as though such is a guarantee of
anything whatsoever. After all, even Wayne Downey once played a
straight g bugle, as did many people who are now leading the blando
charge. I believe there are even "three tenors" who WOW the populace
through doing what it is each and every horn player of any age used to
do.
Quite a few people are able to engage me in civil discourse without
accusing me of holding "totally inflexible views set in concrete" -
which is a redundant statement, sir.
And since you could not care less, there was no reason for you to
write me back or make the post in the first place, was there?
n Catherine
Of course you are totally right. My apologies for wasting your time
(and mine). Good day.
Geoff
Jack Gillen
go, she's very entertaining.
Peace,
Jack
--
"If you understood everything I say, you'd be me!" --- Miles Davis
"Geneva" <gwhiti...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:a18377f0.04091...@posting.google.com...
> Okay, gang. What did I just walk into? What didn't I know before I
> sent this in? Did I deserve this sort of response? I'm confused. I was
> just trying to express an opinion. Apparently, I need to be further
> educated on this matter, because I have no idea what hit me. Can
> someone enlighten me?
>
> The following is my epilogue to the Fanfare column article I wrote on
> the 1974 Auburn Purple Lancers which can currently be viewed on
> dci.org at
http://www.dci.org/news/news.cfm?news_id=97bd275f-87e1-40c1-9d9d-6a70d69dbf5a
>
> Since it was apparently too political for the DCI web site, it was
> edited out of the article. I thought it was an important message and
> wanted to see if I could stimulate a discussion on the various corps
> sites out there. So here it is and the reception I received from the
> moderator of the Old Style Bugle Corps site.
> Ø --- In oldstyleb...@yahoogroups.com, "Catherine Burr"
> > wrote:
> > > I don't believe in much of what you say. I don't think anything
> > with DCI having to do with it has anything to do with drum & bugle
> > corps, let alone honest business and ethics nor anything any ethical
> > fraternal organization would want to have anything to do with.
> > >
> > > Much of your commentary already reflects the DCI "evolution" - and
> > not drum & bugle corps. Therefore, it's amusing - and revealing -
> > that blandos thought it too radical to consider. There's the answer
> > to anyone who has any hope of DCI and drum & bugle corps being terms
> > possibly consistent in any way.
> > >
> > > -- Catherine
>
> Ø The point of my epilogue was that that while DCI has evolved into
> Ø DCI turned its back on drum & bugle corps the moment it was
Catherine
> sent this in? Did I deserve this sort of response? I'm confused. I was
> just trying to express an opinion. Apparently, I need to be further
> educated on this matter, because I have no idea what hit me. Can
> someone enlighten me?
Oh, stupid eh?
Here was the first:
Time out, Catherine! An apologist I am not. My drum corps roots go back to the G-D
bugle era and I have marched alumni corps. Apparently your site does not subscribe to
civil discourse on this topic, but is only a sounding board for those with totally
inflexible views set in concrete!! Suspend me, I could care less.
Geoff
Catherine Burr <songs...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
DCI turned its back on drum & bugle corps the moment it was conceived.
Drum & bugle corps also appeals to the most talented musicians - just as
good marching bands do, for some of the same and for some very different
reasons.
Don't worry about alumni corps - nor sound such dire predictions, while DCIA
certainly warrants (from the actual evidence) dire predictions. All alumni
corps needs to thrive is for DCIA to leave us the HELL ALONE.
Your post has been refused, and you are now on moderation status on this
board. The fact that this subject coincides with Boomike's RAMD posts
doesn't help you.
If you are here to be an apologist for DCI and DCA, I would recommend you
find somewhere else where those views are appreciated. They are not on this
discussion group. DCI and DCA are NOT drum & bugle corps, and have not been
so for decades.
-- Catherine
And then this:
Of course you are totally right. My apologies for wasting your time (and mine). Good
day.
Catherine Burr <cather...@yahoo.com> wrote:If you were interested in civil
discourse on a DCI-era topic, you would engage me and show me where I am wrong -
rather than invoking that you once played a G-D bugle as though such is a guarantee
of anything whatsoever. After all, even Wayne Downey once played a straight g bugle,
as did many people who are now leading the blando charge. I believe there are even
"three tenors" who WOW the populace through doing what it is each and every horn
player of any age used to do.
Quite a few people are able to engage me in civil discourse without accusing me of
holding "totally inflexible views set in concrete" - which is a redundant statement,
sir.
And since you could not care less, there was no reason for you to write me back or
make the post in the first place, was there?
-- Catherine
And you still haven't commented upon the further statement forwarded by one of the
DDDCA:
"Auburn was the corps that told the fledgeling DCI organization to fuck off.
They made finals.
Then DCI told them they'd have to tour, and outlined the costs and
obligations.
So the Auburn BOD said that's not what they wanted to do with their corps.
And neatly closed the doors and folded the corps.
So the kids and staff ended up in Squires and Avant Garde. And note how long
those groups lasted."
And so, yer just a lying blando fraud on this topic, unwilling and unable to stand
yer ground. If you can't see how all this is off-topic for Old Style Bugle Corps -
but perfect for RAMD, where it belonged in the first place - then I can't help ya,
kiddo. As for me, I don't like seeing a corps DCI helped destroy being used to
defraud people who don't know the history AND aren't being told about it (for some
odd reason - frauds).
Blandos get SO upset when they aren't called genkuses for whatever they do, sheesh...
-- Catherine
> The following is my epilogue to the Fanfare column article I wrote on
> the 1974 Auburn Purple Lancers which can currently be viewed on
> dci.org at
http://www.dci.org/news/news.cfm?news_id=97bd275f-87e1-40c1-9d9d-6a70d69dbf5a
>
> Since it was apparently too political for the DCI web site, it was
> edited out of the article. I thought it was an important message and
> wanted to see if I could stimulate a discussion on the various corps
> sites out there. So here it is and the reception I received from the
> moderator of the Old Style Bugle Corps site.
> Ø --- In oldstyleb...@yahoogroups.com, "Catherine Burr"
> > wrote:
> > > I don't believe in much of what you say. I don't think anything
> > with DCI having to do with it has anything to do with drum & bugle
> > corps, let alone honest business and ethics nor anything any ethical
> > fraternal organization would want to have anything to do with.
> > >
> > > Much of your commentary already reflects the DCI "evolution" - and
> > not drum & bugle corps. Therefore, it's amusing - and revealing -
> > that blandos thought it too radical to consider. There's the answer
> > to anyone who has any hope of DCI and drum & bugle corps being terms
> > possibly consistent in any way.
> > >
> > > -- Catherine
>
> Ø The point of my epilogue was that that while DCI has evolved into
> Ø DCI turned its back on drum & bugle corps the moment it was
PaNors77
>From: boo...@aol.com (Boomike)
>Message-id: <20040917103218...@mb-m25.aol.com>
was with them in 74 but he had been in drumcorps since he was 4 years old.
Aged out with us.
Phil
>
>
>
>
Steve Spang
> Okay, gang. What did I just walk into? What didn't I know before I
> sent this in? Did I deserve this sort of response? I'm confused. I was
> just trying to express an opinion. Apparently, I need to be further
> educated on this matter, because I have no idea what hit me. Can
> someone enlighten me?
>
> The following is my epilogue to the Fanfare column article I wrote on
> the 1974 Auburn Purple Lancers which can currently be viewed on
> dci.org at http://www.dci.org/news/news.cfm?news_id=97bd275f-87e1-40c1-9d9d-6a70d69dbf5a
Good article. I read it. In it's entirety.
> I feel like my drum corps experience bridged an important transition
> time in junior drum corps history. During this time, drum corps became
> more musically sophisticated, show concepts broadened, drills spread
> and became less symmetrical, tonality entered the percussion sections,
> and drum corps started to play less of the more readily recognized
> popular music and more of the obscure symphonic band pieces.
I can't argue. I saw it happening while I was home on leave and performing military duty at
the same time (71-77). I felt as though my hands were tied, and there wasn't a damn thing I
could do about it.
> Without a doubt today's drum corps are better musical organizations
> that are able to perform shows of which we couldn't even dream. The
> corps musicians have a level of musical sophistication that enables
> them to quickly adapt show changes even in the middle of the season.
> This was something that most corps in my day found very difficult to
> do.
No question.
> The activity is no longer as accessible to the young person of average
> ability (at least on the Division I level). There is something to be
> said for the charm of drum corps in my day, whereby it was not
> unrealistic to dream of building a local organization into a national
> contender. The alarming number of corps folding over the last thirty
> years is testament that this evolution has made such dreams
> unrealistic now.
It was a neighborhood kinda thing. Most of us went to school with each other.
We didn't fly in for week-end camps. We met every Tuesday night for weekly practice. It
included Thursday during the spring and then we'd pull an all-day Saturday doing drill for
summer competition. It was a year around, full time activity. No ifs, ands, or buts about
it.
We wore our corps jackets (colors) proudly, even though most people didn't know what the
hell we were about. We belonged.
> It is my hope that DCI could focus on and enable the grass roots
> redevelopment of local drum corps with restricted rules aimed at
> containing costs, a formula that was so successful at one time and
> brought drum corps to its present level of sophistication. The pay-off
> would be the rewards of introducing so many more youth to the joys of
> performance.
I don't see it happening, realistically. Economics.
> Without DCI, drum corps may not even exist today. Given the economic
> and social changes and the abdication of the initial sponsoring
> organizations (American Legion, VFW, CYO, churches), the rise of the
> competitive marching bands, and the myriad other activities which kids
> now have to choose from, I agree that DCI should be proud. It has not
> only preserved the activity but fostered the excellence which some of
> today's units have achieved. Nevertheless, I believe that the future
> of the activity lies in producing an environment in which new
> start-ups are not so prohibitively expensive. DCI should take a lead
> role here.
>
> Old drum corps was a very sound concept that deserves to be revived in
> a "traditional" class. Of course, all this is dependent on there being
> the receptive audience of potential members. Here I must admit that
> times may have changed enough that kids would not be interested in
> that form of the activity. A "traditional class" may be a
> necessary-but-not-sufficient stimulus, but should at least be given a
> chance. DCI has the ability to redevelop such an alternative on paper.
> Where it goes would be anyone's guess.
We (corps fans) have become more global. Both in economics and sophistication of the
marching arts. We always want more and what's new. If you wanna dance, you gotta pay the
fiddler. We pay the consequences of 'new and improved'.
DCA Alumni offers a few of us a taste of the past. The glory, tradition, music, and style
of corps many of us grew up with. Things we will never forget. Thank God. Without history,
we have no future.
--
Steve
Boomike
was with them in 74 but he had been in drumcorps since he was 4 years old.
Aged out with us.>>
Wow. Since four years old? That's incredible. I want to hear more about that
story if anyone knows who he is, and I want to hear any story about anything
regarding drum corps that anyone reading this might have.
Michael Boo
boo...@dci.org
TerriGolden1957
>www.dci.org)
>From: "Catherine" Catherine@yahoo!!!.com
>Date: 9/18/2004 11:24 AM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <XiZ2d.4617$Qv5....@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com>
She's like freaking "Zelig". She's EVERYWHERE.
Now she knows all about Purple Lancers.
Gee, who died and left a mess like you Drum Corps God?
-Terri
PaNors77
>Date: 9/18/2004 6:52 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <20040918215257...@mb-m28.aol.com>
Phil
Crystal Ball
>> sent this in? Did I deserve this sort of response? I'm confused. I was
>> just trying to express an opinion. Apparently, I need to be further
>> educated on this matter, because I have no idea what hit me. Can
>> someone enlighten me?
>From: "Catherine" Catherine@yahoo!!!.com
>
>Your post has been refused, and you are now on moderation status on this
>board. The fact that this subject coincides with Boomike's RAMD posts
>doesn't help you.
>If you are here to be an apologist for DCI and DCA, I would recommend you
>find somewhere else where those views are appreciated. They are not on this
>discussion group. DCI and DCA are NOT drum & bugle corps, and have not been
>so for decades.
>
>-- Catherine
Well you can add one more highly respected Drum Corps personality to Cathrine's
list of Blando EVERYONE"S.
Geoff Whiting, or should I say Dr. Whiting, is one of the good guys in our
activity. He has more first person knowledge of our roots in his little finger,
than Miss Burr has in her whole body. He has helped preserve the memory of The
Appleknockers Junior and Senior corps as well as the Auburn Purple Lancers.
While juggleing a medical practice along with a wonderful family, he finds time
to help out in any way he can in Drum Corps. He has taken pictures, preserved
old recordings, written articles, organized reunions, Played lead sop with St.
Joe's Alumni. He is always there if you need him. I have also seen him save a
corps member's life when he went down with a heart attack on the drill field.
So Cathrine can shut him out of her so called "Old Style" site if she wants,
but she is doing exactly what she accuses DCP of doing, censering post that
don't agree with her point of view. Now go figure.
Catherine
news:20040919095511...@mb-m06.aol.com...
An ___________@aol.com wrote:
> "Geneva" <gwhiti...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> >> Okay, gang. What did I just walk into? What didn't I know before I
> >> sent this in? Did I deserve this sort of response? I'm confused. I was
> >> just trying to express an opinion. Apparently, I need to be further
> >> educated on this matter, because I have no idea what hit me. Can
> >> someone enlighten me?
>
> >From: "Catherine" Catherine@yahoo!!!.com
>
> >
> >Your post has been refused, and you are now on moderation status on this
> >board. The fact that this subject coincides with Boomike's RAMD posts
> >doesn't help you.
>
> >If you are here to be an apologist for DCI and DCA, I would recommend you
> >find somewhere else where those views are appreciated. They are not on this
> >discussion group. DCI and DCA are NOT drum & bugle corps, and have not been
> >so for decades.
> >
> >-- Catherine
>
> Well you can add one more highly respected Drum Corps personality to Cathrine's
> list of Blando EVERYONE"S.
>
> Geoff Whiting, or should I say Dr. Whiting, is one of the good guys in our
> activity. He has more first person knowledge of our roots in his little finger,
> than Miss Burr has in her whole body.
It's statements like that which reflect a certain "elite" bullshit that has no place
in drum & bugle corps.
> He has helped preserve the memory of The
> Appleknockers Junior and Senior corps as well as the
> Auburn Purple Lancers.
I always find it amusing <NOT> these people who help preserve the history of things -
as though such "service" is more important than any person who marched.
Nor did Mr. Whiting or whomever you are care to acknowledge the additional
information provided, nor the deal with the opinion/phenomenon of DCI now trying to
defraud via corps they once helped to destroy.
> While juggleing a medical practice along with a wonderful family, he finds time
> to help out in any way he can in Drum Corps. He has taken pictures, preserved
> old recordings, written articles, organized reunions, Played lead sop with St.
> Joe's Alumni. He is always there if you need him. I have also seen him save a
> corps member's life when he went down with a heart attack on the drill field.
>
> So Cathrine can shut him out of her so called "Old Style" site if she wants,
> but she is doing exactly what she accuses DCP of doing, censering post that
> don't agree with her point of view. Now go figure.
Not at all. Mr. Whiting had more than ample opportunity to answer the questions I
put to him - and his answers were in no way reflective of the open, generous spirit
that you - whomever and whatever you are - are alleging here. In fact, he said no
big deal. Nor has he been "shut out". We are simply watching him and others who
have appeared to any of the moderators to be disingenous.
Obviously, it IS a big deal to some people - who don't have balls enough to stick to
the issues at hand and deal directly under their own names, instead getting errand
boyzz and girlzz such as yourself to continue on.
<::yawn::>
More well-witnessed fodder for the archives....
- Catherine
>
>
Dennis Morris
As for Catherine's insight- Exactly one member of the 1974 Purple Lancers
Marched with the Squires in 1975 when they finished 13th. And she does a
pretty good job of singing the National anthem.
Dennis Morris
Tom & Karen Peashey
does sing... makes a damn good corps director too... I had forgotten (or
never realized) she did Squires too...
don't you love the description of the comings and going of Auburn... like
that woman had any idea what really went on... her conspiracy theory was so
good, I almost wish it were true... but alas... it was a lot simpler than
that...
but I'll throw this in... just think... had Auburn had more successful
management and had the proper financial resources in the fall of 1974 -
Phoenix would never have gotten off the ground. the chances of them
succeeding the way they did would have been nil had so many key people still
been with Auburn. (starting with Corky of course)
"Dennis Morris" <denn...@lightlink.com> wrote in message
news:414e4448$1...@news2.lightlink.com...
TomAllen2001
former Purple Lancers who took out second mortgages to get this current
incarnation of the Brigadiers off the ground.
David Martin
Michael,
My younger brother Timmy is who they are talking about. My whole
family was born in corps. My father marched since 1937 and ended his
participation in 1976 with Phoenix. I started in 1955(5 yrs. old) and
I am still active, directing and performing with The Hitmen Brass
Band.
Funny, someone brought this up.
David Martin
Crystal Ball
An __________@yahoo.com wrote;
>It's statements like that which reflect a certain "elite" bullshit that has
>no place
>in drum & bugle corps.
What has no place in drum corps is you. What have you ever done to help DC?
If anything, you are making a poor attempt to tear down everything that truly
is DC.
>Nor did Mr. Whiting or whomever you are care to acknowledge the additional
>information provided, nor the deal with the opinion/phenomenon of DCI now
>trying to
>defraud via corps they once helped to destroy.
I have no idea what you are blubering here, but I will tell you that neither
Geoff or I care to spread lies and made up stories like you love to do. You
know nothing about Purple Lancers or any other corps for that matter.
A far as your little "Old Style D&BC" news group, you are the only person who
judges what should and should not be posted. and you shut out anything that
might disagree with your twisted way of thinking.
Hypocrite
Stay the hell out of threads that don't concern you.
>Obviously, it IS a big deal to some people - who don't have balls enough to
>stick to
>the issues at hand and deal directly under their own names, instead getting
>errand
>boyzz and girlzz such as yourself to continue on.
OK, Noni or whomever you are at the moment.
Crystal
Catherine
> As for Catherine's insight-
statement, not personal insight.
> Exactly one member of the 1974 Purple Lancers
> Marched with the Squires in 1975 when they finished 13th.
> And she does a pretty good job of singing the National anthem.
> Dennis Morris
I don't see how certain details are limited to any such years.
-- Catherine
Catherine
news:03u3d.76088$Kt5....@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
> a rare post from the lawyer... Hi Dennis... and a mean National Anthem she
> does sing... makes a damn good corps director too... I had forgotten (or
> never realized) she did Squires too...
Interesting what you remember and what you forget.
> don't you love the description of the comings and going of Auburn...
> like that woman had any idea what really went on...
Must've meant I heard it from someone, Tom. How much ya wanna guess it's someone
with far more of a reputation for integrity and an intact memory than you? (yeah, I
know - not very high standards).
> her conspiracy theory was so good, I almost wish it were true...
What "conspiracy theory"? And why would something you and EVERYONE prefer to dress
up as a negative against me be something you almost "wish were true"?
> but alas... it was a lot simpler than that...
>
> but I'll throw this in... just think... had Auburn had more successful
> management and had the proper financial resources in the fall of 1974 -
> Phoenix would never have gotten off the ground. the chances of them
> succeeding the way they did would have been nil had so many key people still
> been with Auburn. (starting with Corky of course)
Hmmmmmm... Phoenix is also involved.
As for the "more successful management and proper financial resources"... I think
that tends on its face to prove the allegations you have dismissed.
Catherine
"TomAllen2001" <tomall...@cs.com> wrote in message
news:20040920131044...@mb-m22.news.cs.com...
> Since you're talking about Auburn, don't forget to mention the large group of
> former Purple Lancers who took out second mortgages to get this current
> incarnation of the Brigadiers off the ground.
I think there's quite a number of stories of 2nd mortgages which need to be brought
to light - along with a full detailing of every bingo expenditure made by any alleged
drum & bugle corps/"color guard".
-- Catherine
Catherine
news:922c2339.04092...@posting.google.com...
Interesting all the cross-country stuff in 1978. Even more interesting is why
someone would come march with the 1978 Ass Kissers.
-- Catherine
Catherine
"Crystal Ball" <lews...@aol.comer> wrote in message
Oh, how very surprising <NOT> that you and the sainted Dr. Whiting that you advocate
for should take up this tack. Guess he was totally lying when he stated no biggie.
And it also seems that EVERYONE has quite an interest in the blando BS version of the
Auburn Purple Lancers.
Wonder if it's another Royal Airs/Bridgemen/[Cedar Rapids]Emerald Knights/Analslime
Kingsmen and all the other carrots being exploited by EVERYONE...
-- Catherine
Jack Gillen
news:LOK3d.2253$DA3...@newssvr16.news.prodigy.com...
>
> I think there's quite a number of stories of 2nd mortgages which need to
be brought
> to light - along with a full detailing of every bingo expenditure made by
any alleged
> drum & bugle corps/"color guard".
>
Yeah, well, you also think the EVERYONE's deliberately gave you asthma to
force you out of the Blue Devils, that DCI was organized specifically for
the purpose of persecuting you, and that it's okay to make outrageous
unfounded accusations against anyone you want without being challenged.
So much for what you think.
ESAD, Nutbucket,
Emil Pavlik (or whomever I am)
--
"If you understood everything I say, you'd be me!" --- Miles Davis
> -- Catherine
>
>
Andyroo111
>Yeah, well, you also think the EVERYONE's deliberately gave you asthma to
>force you out of the Blue Devils, that DCI was organized specifically for
>the purpose of persecuting you, and that it's okay to make outrageous
>unfounded accusations against anyone you want without being challenged.
>
>So much for what you think.
>
>ESAD, Nutbucket,
>Emil Pavlik (or whomever I am)
>--
Jack, there you go again - using the words "Catherine" and "think" in the same
post. Shame on you; you should know better than that.
Besides, the case of asthma wasn't meant to force her out of Blue Devils, but
rather to force her to carry music on the field. And it worked!!
Her overreaction to getting dumped by the Kilties was what forced her to wear
trousers that were just under a foot too long.
And her getting thrown out of VK was what forced her to start using 10W30 (or
maybe 10W40) as a hair dressing.
And when she was forced to quit Skyliners alumni, she swore she'd never wear a
clean, pressed uniform again.
Andy
Catherine
"Andyroo111" <andyr...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040920210443...@mb-m02.aol.com...
There certainly is quite a bit of interest in the Auburn Purple Lancers scam, er...
EVERYcorps, if it encompasses multiple NGs.
Awwwwwwwwww, too bad, awwwwwwwwww, there's no clear monopoly on EVERYONE's bullshit.
Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.... Keep digging. It's only gonna get worse...
-- Catherine
Jack Gillen
>
> There certainly is quite a bit of interest in the Auburn Purple Lancers
scam, er...
> EVERYcorps, if it encompasses multiple NGs.
>
> Awwwwwwwwww, too bad, awwwwwwwwww, there's no clear monopoly on EVERYONE's
bullshit.
>
> Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.... Keep digging. It's only gonna get worse...
>
> -- Catherine
Digging for what? Your lunacy is right on the surface. What's gonna get
worse? Your psychosis? We've already been seeing that for the last four
years. Take your meds, Catherine, you are ill. Because another one of those
things you "think," i.e., that your chronic mental illness has been "cured,"
is also just one of your delusions.
FOAD, PsychoTart,
Wayne Downey (or whomever I am)
--
Catherine
"Jack Gillen" <jack_...@centurytel.net> wrote in message
news:yfidnXE5XYG...@centurytel.net...
<snip>
Thanks for continuing to dig, "Jack".
-- Catherine
Catherine
"Ron Allard" <R...@Diceman.com> wrote in message
news:3a4vk01ekeul0mq2u...@4ax.com...
> one's rent, etc.
Oh, I am sure quite a lot of things will be brought to light - but without EVERYONE's
spin. Even more amazing are the different spins the same people have put on things.
But don't you worry, Allard... All will be remembered as the genuine items and
people, as they ought ... ;-)
-- Catherine
>
>
>
> --
> Ron in Florida
>
> "Because there was always something about the Skyliners...
> and that music..."
> - Donnie Solinger
Catherine
"Ron Allard" <R...@Diceman.com> wrote in message
> On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 00:42:15 GMT, "Catherine" <Catherine@yahoo!!!.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Dennis Morris" <denn...@lightlink.com> wrote in message
> >news:414e4448$1...@news2.lightlink.com...
> >> Thank you Geoff for a lot of great insight.
> >> As for Catherine's insight-
> >
> >statement, not personal insight.
> >
> >> Exactly one member of the 1974 Purple Lancers
> >> Marched with the Squires in 1975 when they finished 13th.
> >> And she does a pretty good job of singing the National anthem.
> >> Dennis Morris
> >
> >I don't see how certain details are limited to any such years.
>
Oh, to see such a disclaimer on EVERYTHING EVERYONE writes about drum & bugle corps,
and what is alleged to be drum & bugle corps - particularly that which contradicts
those who were there...
Liz Duguay
"Catherine" <Catherine@yahoo!!!.com> wrote in message
meaning that you'll finally disappear with your diatribes from our radar
finally.
because you are from from "the genuine item or person".
L
Jack Gillen
>
> "Ron Allard" <R...@Diceman.com> wrote in message
> news:4f4vk05q1nndp43im...@4ax.com...
> > On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 00:42:15 GMT, "Catherine" <Catherine@yahoo!!!.com>
wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >"Dennis Morris" <denn...@lightlink.com> wrote in message
> > >news:414e4448$1...@news2.lightlink.com...
> > >> Thank you Geoff for a lot of great insight.
> > >> As for Catherine's insight-
> > >
> > >statement, not personal insight.
> > >
> > >> Exactly one member of the 1974 Purple Lancers
> > >> Marched with the Squires in 1975 when they finished 13th.
> > >> And she does a pretty good job of singing the National anthem.
> > >> Dennis Morris
> > >
> > >I don't see how certain details are limited to any such years.
> >
> > Considering you weren't there - your details are *hearsay*...
>
> Oh, to see such a disclaimer on EVERYTHING EVERYONE writes about drum &
bugle corps,
> and what is alleged to be drum & bugle corps - particularly that which
contradicts
> those who were there...
>
So you're saying you were there? Or you're saying EVERYONE wasn't there? Or
just WTF are you saying, you blithering toon?
Boomike
www.dci.org)
From: "Catherine" <A
HREF="mailto:Catherine@yahoo!!!.com">Catherine@yahoo!!!.com</A>
Date: Mon, Sep 20, 2004 7:44 PM
Message-id: <VPK3d.2254$GA3...@newssvr16.news.prodigy.com>
-- Catherine>>
Uh, I'm rather confused how such an innocent thread took such a turn.
Mike
Jack Gillen
news:20040920231829...@mb-m04.aol.com...
>
> Uh, I'm rather confused how such an innocent thread took such a turn.
>
> Mike
Catherine, that's how. Duh.
Peace,
Jack
Andyroo111
>> Jack, there you go again - using the words "Catherine" and "think" in the
>same
>> post. Shame on you; you should know better than that.
>>
>> Besides, the case of asthma wasn't meant to force her out of Blue Devils,
>but
>> rather to force her to carry music on the field. And it worked!!
>>
>> Her overreaction to getting dumped by the Kilties was what forced her to
>wear
>> trousers that were just under a foot too long.
>>
>> And her getting thrown out of VK was what forced her to start using 10W30
>(or
>> maybe 10W40) as a hair dressing.
>>
>> And when she was forced to quit Skyliners alumni, she swore she'd never
>wear a
>> clean, pressed uniform again.
>>
>> Andy
>
>There certainly is quite a bit of interest in the Auburn Purple Lancers scam,
>er...
>EVERYcorps, if it encompasses multiple NGs.
>
>Awwwwwwwwww, too bad, awwwwwwwwww, there's no clear monopoly on EVERYONE's
>bullshit.
>
>Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.... Keep digging. It's only gonna get worse...
>
>-- Catherine
>
Aw c'mon you miserable piece of human swill, you promised you wouldn't be
reading or responding to any more of my posts.
Does this mean that you're a liar, as well as being a carrier of music on the
field?
Yep!!
Andy
Jeff Ream
>Date: 9/20/2004 10:35 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <3a4vk01ekeul0mq2u...@4ax.com>
>
>On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 00:43:23 GMT, "Catherine" <Catherine@yahoo!!!.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"TomAllen2001" <tomall...@cs.com> wrote in message
>>news:20040920131044...@mb-m22.news.cs.com...
>>> Since you're talking about Auburn, don't forget to mention the large group
>of
>>> former Purple Lancers who took out second mortgages to get this current
>>> incarnation of the Brigadiers off the ground.
>>
>>I think there's quite a number of stories of 2nd mortgages which need to be
>brought
>>to light - along with a full detailing of every bingo expenditure made by
>any alleged
>>drum & bugle corps/"color guard".
>
>Not to mention writing bad checks, driving without a license, failure to pay
>one's rent, etc.
>
>
>
>Ron in Florida
>
>"Because there was always something about the Skyliners...
>and that music..."
>- Donnie Solinger
>
>
>
>
>
>
Jeff Ream
I am the drummer your color guard captain warned you about
Jeff Ream
>Subject: Re: Remembering the Purple Lancers (new Fanfare column at
>www.dci.org)
>From: "Catherine" Catherine@yahoo!!!.com
>Date: 9/20/2004 8:44 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <VPK3d.2254$GA3...@newssvr16.news.prodigy.com>
Jeff Ream
>Subject: Re: Remembering the Purple Lancers (new Fanfare column at
>www.dci.org)
>From: "Catherine" Catherine@yahoo!!!.com
>Date: 9/20/2004 8:47 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <pSK3d.2255$wA3...@newssvr16.news.prodigy.com>
Andyroo111
>Not to mention writing bad checks, driving without a license, failure to pay
>one's rent, etc.
>
>
>
>--
>Ron in Florida
>
Ron, who would do anything like that?
Andyroo111
>Oh, to see such a disclaimer on EVERYTHING EVERYONE writes about drum & bugle
>corps,
>and what is alleged to be drum & bugle corps - particularly that which
>contradicts
>those who were there...
>
>--
You going on the field with music and looking like an unmade bed from a
by-the-hour motel contradicts what drum corps was - for those of us who were
*really* there.
Andy
Dennis Morris
Facts are such pesky things
Dennis Morris
"Ron Allard" <R...@Diceman.com> wrote in message
news:4f4vk05q1nndp43im...@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 00:42:15 GMT, "Catherine" <Catherine@yahoo!!!.com>
wrote:
>
> >
> >"Dennis Morris" <denn...@lightlink.com> wrote in message
> >news:414e4448$1...@news2.lightlink.com...
> >> Thank you Geoff for a lot of great insight.
> >> As for Catherine's insight-
> >
> >statement, not personal insight.
> >
> >> Exactly one member of the 1974 Purple Lancers
> >> Marched with the Squires in 1975 when they finished 13th.
> >> And she does a pretty good job of singing the National anthem.
> >> Dennis Morris
> >
> >I don't see how certain details are limited to any such years.
>
> Considering you weren't there - your details are *hearsay*...
>
>
PaNors77
>Date: 9/20/2004 1:15 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <922c2339.04092...@posting.google.com>
>
>boo...@aol.com (Boomike) wrote in message
>news:<20040918215257...@mb-m28.aol.com>...
>> <<In 78 Kingsmen we had an import soprano from the Purple Lancers. Dunno
>if he
>> was with them in 74 but he had been in drumcorps since he was 4 years old.
>> Aged out with us.>>
>>
>> Wow. Since four years old? That's incredible. I want to hear more about
>that
>> story if anyone knows who he is, and I want to hear any story about
>anything
>> regarding drum corps that anyone reading this might have.
>>
>> Michael Boo
>> boo...@dci.org
>
>Michael,
>
>My younger brother Timmy is who they are talking about. My whole
>family was born in corps. My father marched since 1937 and ended his
>participation in 1976 with Phoenix. I started in 1955(5 yrs. old) and
>I am still active, directing and performing with The Hitmen Brass
>Band.
>
>Funny, someone brought this up.
>
>David Martin
>
>
PHil/78 AK
>
>
>
>
Melodious Thunk
wrote:
<snip>
> Wayne Downey (or whomever I am)
Always wanted to ask about your signature slide cream.
Andrea Birbilis
> "Crystal Ball" <lews...@aol.comer> wrote in message
>
> An ___________@aol.com wrote:
>
> > "Geneva" <gwhiti...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >
> > >> Okay, gang. What did I just walk into? What didn't I know before I
> > >> sent this in? Did I deserve this sort of response? I'm confused. I was
> > >> just trying to express an opinion. Apparently, I need to be further
> > >> educated on this matter, because I have no idea what hit me. Can
> > >> someone enlighten me?
>
> > >From: "Catherine" Catherine@yahoo!!!.com
>
> > >
> > >Your post has been refused, and you are now on moderation status on this
> > >board. The fact that this subject coincides with Boomike's RAMD posts
> > >doesn't help you.
>
> > >If you are here to be an apologist for DCI and DCA, I would recommend you
> > >find somewhere else where those views are appreciated. They are not on this
> > >discussion group. DCI and DCA are NOT drum & bugle corps, and have not been
> > >so for decades.
> > >
> > >-- Catherine
> >
> > Well you can add one more highly respected Drum Corps personality to Cathrine's
> > list of Blando EVERYONE"S.
> >
> > Geoff Whiting, or should I say Dr. Whiting, is one of the good guys in our
> > activity. He has more first person knowledge of our roots in his little finger,
> > than Miss Burr has in her whole body.
>
> in drum & bugle corps.
>
> > Appleknockers Junior and Senior corps as well as the
> > Auburn Purple Lancers.
>
> I always find it amusing <NOT> these people who help preserve the history of things -
> as though such "service" is more important than any person who marched.
>
> Nor did Mr. Whiting or whomever you are care to acknowledge the additional
> information provided, nor the deal with the opinion/phenomenon of DCI now trying to
> defraud via corps they once helped to destroy.
>
> > to help out in any way he can in Drum Corps. He has taken pictures, preserved
> > old recordings, written articles, organized reunions, Played lead sop with St.
> > Joe's Alumni. He is always there if you need him. I have also seen him save a
> > corps member's life when he went down with a heart attack on the drill field.
> >
> > So Cathrine can shut him out of her so called "Old Style" site if she wants,
> > but she is doing exactly what she accuses DCP of doing, censering post that
> > don't agree with her point of view. Now go figure.
>
> Not at all. Mr. Whiting had more than ample opportunity to answer the questions I
> put to him - and his answers were in no way reflective of the open, generous spirit
> that you - whomever and whatever you are - are alleging here. In fact, he said no
> big deal. Nor has he been "shut out". We are simply watching him and others who
> have appeared to any of the moderators to be disingenous.
>
> Obviously, it IS a big deal to some people - who don't have balls enough to stick to
> the issues at hand and deal directly under their own names, instead getting errand
> boyzz and girlzz such as yourself to continue on.
>
>
> More well-witnessed fodder for the archives....
>
> - Catherine
Catherine,
As a member of the 1974 Auburn Purple Lancers, I find your rantings to
be at best, amusing, and at worst, misinformed. I have participated in
drum and bugle corps for 32 years, as a member of the Auburn Purple
Lancers, The Watkins Glen Squires, and the Schaumburg Guardsmen. I
have been an instructor, a program coordinator and a corps director. I
am also a founding member of the DCI Division II/III Board of
Directors. IN addition, I have spent time as an on the road volunteer
for two open class touring corps. You have a lot of anger pent up for
things that you don't even have a CLUE about. For the record, the
staff/management of the Auburn Purple Lancers, did NOT tell DCI to
"f--- off" as you so crudely stated. The reasons behind the demise of
the Aburn corps had very little to do with DCI and a LOT to do with
other internal matters, including a city that refused to support the
corps in any way, shape, or form. I grew up in Auburn and still see
members of the corps management when I go home to visit. Unless you
were in the corps (and I do not remember you) or you are directly
related to the Aubin's, the Morabito's, the Dagnesi's, or any of the
other families who had a vested interest in the organization, I
suggest that you get you fact straight before you continue to shove
your foot down your throat.
Here's the deal, Catherine.. like it or not.. CHANGE HAPPENS.
Sometimes it's good and sometimes it ain't, but there is nothing that
will ever stop change from occuring. People sometime suffer at the
hands of change, but as a instructor once told me, we all get a
certain amount of rope and it is up to us to decide whether or not to
build a bridge or a noose to tie around our necks.
FOR THE RECORD.. there were three young ladies who went from the 74'
APL corps to the Watkins Glen Squires.. myself, Cheryl Morgan, and
Annie Liberatore. The only staff that "went" was Corky Fabrizio, which
didn't really count as he was already arranging brass charts for both
corps. One member of the 74 corps also went to the BLue Stars, but bay
and large, the rest of gang went to Rochester to march with the
Pheonix or they went to other senior corps in upstate New York.
I have my own set of issues with the nice people Addison, let's be
honest- there will always be those who have and those who don't. Many
of the corps in the drum corps graveyard are there by their own doing,
because their eyes were bigger than than their stomachs and the people
in charge at the time either got tired or couldn't make and execute a
long range plan to save their life. No one is FORCED to tour, by DCI.
If you do not believe this, I suggest that you contact the director of
the Mandarins, Ray Mar. Ask him how many times DCI asked them to tour
and how many times he said NO. Yes, in the end, the corps did decide
to take the plunge, but thes reason that they waited is one of the
reasons why they are still around today.. and it's all about biting
off only what you can successfully chew.
Roman Blenski once told me that if you can only afford to buy a Chevy,
then buy the best Chevy on the lot.. take good care of it, save your
money and upgrade when you can. There is no shame in having a Chevy.
Too many people think that if they can't have the biggest and the best
drum corps, they need to mortgage the farm to get it. More bills don't
bring home a championship.
Geoff Whiting was correct when he stated that more needs to be done to
infuse the activity with new blood. I have the utmost respect for the
senior corps, the alumni corps , mini corps, alumni choruses, etc. but
what are we doing about the next generation? Merely screaming from the
rafters that DCI is the Evil Empire is a waste of time.
What are YOU going to do, Catherine, to make sure that drum corps
continues to thrive? Let's be fair where we lay the blame, because
unless you are willing to do something to improve the situation, your
soapbox is going to become a rather shaky platform.
Unless you have irrefutable FACTS to back up your rantings, I suggest
you start looking for some qualified legal help. Someone else may not
find your screeching as entertaining as I do.
Andrea Birbilis
> >
> >
David Martin
David
> >
Jack Gillen
<snip>
> What are YOU going to do, Catherine, to make sure that drum corps
> continues to thrive? Let's be fair where we lay the blame, because
> unless you are willing to do something to improve the situation, your
> soapbox is going to become a rather shaky platform.
Well, she's gotten herself kicked out of yet another drum corps (that makes
at least three now), so that helps...
> Unless you have irrefutable FACTS to back up your rantings, I suggest
> you start looking for some qualified legal help. Someone else may not
> find your screeching as entertaining as I do.
>
You're new here, right? The Blessing To Drum And Bugle Corps That Is The
Catherine don' ha' to show you no STEENKING FACTS! Her delusions, I mean
information...no, I was right the first time...her delusions are all told to
her personally by the voices in her head. Asking her for facts is "unfair
standards, unfairly applied."
You're right though, as RAMD's resident Usenet kook, she is pretty
entertaining.
TomAllen2001
isn't healthy.
Next thing, you'll tell us how Mobobolo folded.
This thread started with someone wanting to give props to the only NYS corps to
ever make DCI finals, and you turned it into a "Catherine" thing.
Liz Duguay
>This thread started with someone wanting to give props to the only NYS corps
>to
>ever make DCI finals, and you turned it into a "Catherine" thing.
>
unfortunately that is what she is best at. history has proven that to be the
case time and time again.
L
Dennis Morris
I stand corrected. Annie and Cheryl will probably give me a hard time at
the next reunion.
Dennisnews:f9530525.04092...@posting.google.com...
Andyroo111
to read it.
Andy
Andyroo111
>unfortunately that is what she is best at. history has proven that to be the
>case time and time again.
>L
>
Be careful Liz, your use of the term "what she is best at" implies that she
might be fairly good at some other things,
You should, perhaps, have considered, "the only thing she's any good at."
But on the other hand, if you include carrying music on the field, wearing a
uniform that doubled as pajamas for the previous two weeks, and the only hair
in town that comes with a dipstick, then I suppose your earlier statement may
be accurate.
Andy
Catherine
news:replyto-E6FC5D...@orngca-news03.socal.rr.com...
This always makes me laugh - and then realize the pathetic nature of the fraud.
For DECADES, the thought of "Wayne Downey signature" oil/cream/grease was the HEIGHT
of arrogance and stupidity.
And then it came true - and I 'spect some people expect such to be taken seriously?
B u l l - SHIT!!
-- Catherine
Tim Martin
The 7th place finalist Carolina Crown I might add. I was actully the
melophone soloist for The Kingsmen. Great memories. And I did march in
my first drum corps at 4. Played a solo. St James Infurmary as I
recall. Just like my big brother David Martin. He is in the DCA hall
of fame. And my father Harvey was Just inducted into the Rochester
Crusader Hall of Fame. We are a drum Corps family. My mom and dad met
in DC and my wife and I met in Auburn and went to Anahiem together. we
have been together all this time have 3 sons 20 ,19,15. none march in
the Crown. but two are in Marching band. My wife was a West Genesee
Wildcat silent guard. National Champ. Phil tell me alittle about
yourself.
Tim/Carolina Crown
> >
> >
Tom & Karen Peashey
"Andrea Birbilis"
but then again, it's really no surprise to me... and yes, she sings a hell
of a "Star Spangled Banner"
<phre...@arczip.com> wrote in message
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Catherine
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> "Catherine" <Catherine@yahoo!!!.com> wrote in message
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> > "Crystal Ball" <lews...@aol.comer> wrote in message
> > news:20040919095511...@mb-m06.aol.com...
> >
> > An ___________@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > > "Geneva" <gwhiti...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > >
> > > >> Okay, gang. What did I just walk into? What didn't I know before I
> > > >> sent this in? Did I deserve this sort of response? I'm confused. I was
> > > >> just trying to express an opinion. Apparently, I need to be further
> > > >> educated on this matter, because I have no idea what hit me. Can
> > > >> someone enlighten me?
Ah - how anyone can alleged they know anything about EVERYTHING/The
Activity/DCI/DCA/RAMD & the other rags and write a POS paragraph such as the above...
Ludicrous and completely unreasonable.
So we have a range of amusing to misinformed. Let's see how long that bullshit holds
up consistently - for amusement purposes only, since misinformation is undoubtedly
all that EVERYONE hasta offer here.
> I have participated in drum and bugle corps for 32 years,
I'm a year up on ya.
> as a member of the Auburn Purple Lancers, The Watkins Glen
> Squires, and the Schaumburg Guardsmen.
Really? Didja march with Terri Dittrich/Golden and/or Mike "Sailor" Kolle?
> I have been an instructor, a program coordinator and a corps director.
> I am also a founding member of the DCI Division II/III Board of
> Directors. IN addition, I have spent time as an on the road volunteer
> for two open class touring corps.
Whoopie shit. I've been and I am a marching member. There's nothing more, except a
lotta service-oriented stuff which is its own reward - unless you are talking about
blando elitism. And such has nothing whatsoever to do with drum & bugle corps.
Sorry you missed that drum corps lesson.
> You have a lot of anger pent up for things that you don't even
> have a CLUE about.
You're assumption of my motivations is something that you don't even have a CLUE
about - whomever you are.
> For the record,
"It's official" <tee>
> the staff/management of the Auburn Purple Lancers, did NOT
> tell DCI to "f--- off" as you so crudely stated.
They should have. In fact, the universal drum & bugle corps response to DCI ought to
have been:
** F ** U ** C ** K ** ** O ** F ** F ** !!!!!!!
Unfortunately, the sentiment ain't crude enough given the decades of DCIA
obscenities.
> The reasons behind the demise of the Aburn corps had very little
> to do with DCI and a LOT to do with other internal matters,
> including a city that refused to support the corps in any way,
> shape, or form. I grew up in Auburn and still see members of
> the corps management when I go home to visit. Unless you
> were in the corps (and I do not remember you) or you are directly
> related to the Aubin's, the Morabito's, the Dagnesi's, or any of the
> other families who had a vested interest in the organization, I
> suggest that you get you fact straight before you continue to shove
> your foot down your throat.
The bullshit you are spewing sounds all too familiar. And as I say, my sources are a
damned sight more consistent, reasonable and even internally consistent with what's
happening in EVERYONE's dancing all 'round this topic in multiple fora.
> Here's the deal, Catherine.. like it or not.. CHANGE
> HAPPENS.
Yes, but it doesn't always have to suck and to be detrimental to drum & bugle corps,
to the short-term and short-sighted benefit of EVERYONE. Therein lies more "proof".
> Sometimes it's good and sometimes it ain't, but there is
> nothing that will ever stop change from occuring. People
> sometime suffer at the hands of change, but as a instructor
> once told me, we all get a certain amount of rope and it is
> up to us to decide whether or not to build a bridge or a
> noose to tie around our necks.
Is this the "motivational BS" part of the show? What you have just said has nothing
necessarily to do with anything or anyone, and shows nothing but disrespect for
history and any reader.
> FOR THE RECORD..
"IT'S OFFICIAL!!"
> there were three young ladies who went from the 74'
> APL corps to the Watkins Glen Squires.. myself,
> Cheryl Morgan, and Annie Liberatore. The only staff
> that "went" was Corky Fabrizio, which didn't really count
> as he was already arranging brass charts for both corps.
> One member of the 74 corps also went to the BLue Stars,
> but bay and large, the rest of gang went to Rochester to
> march with the Pheonix or they went to other senior corps
> in upstate New York.
>
> I have my own set of issues with the nice people Addison,
> let's be honest- there will always be those who have and
> those who don't. Many of the corps in the drum corps graveyard
> are there by their own doing, because their eyes were bigger
> than than their stomachs and the people in charge at the time
> either got tired or couldn't make and execute a long range plan
> to save their life.
Or too many put their faith in phonies who really didn't give a shit about drum &
bugle corps.
> No one is FORCED to tour, by DCI. If you do not believe this,
> I suggest that you contact the director of the Mandarins, Ray
> Mar. Ask him how many times DCI asked them to tour and
> how many times he said NO. Yes, in the end, the corps did decide
> to take the plunge, but thes reason that they waited is one of the
> reasons why they are still around today.. and it's all about biting
> off only what you can successfully chew.
>
> Roman Blenski once told me that if you can only afford to buy
> a Chevy, then buy the best Chevy on the lot.. take good care of it,
> save your money and upgrade when you can. There is no shame
> in having a Chevy. Too many people think that if they can't have
> the biggest and the best drum corps, they need to mortgage the
> farm to get it. More bills don't bring home a championship.
More blando Zen which means nothing.
> Geoff Whiting was correct when he stated that more needs to be
> done to infuse the activity with new blood.
What's all this marching band bullshit been about, eh? "New blood" MY ASS.
What needs to happen is for us to be proud of who and what we are and fight for it,
and train people who WANT to do and be drum & bugle corps. Nothing more, nothing
less.
> I have the utmost respect for the senior corps, the alumni
> corps , mini corps, alumni choruses, etc.
yada, yada
> but
there 'tis.
> what are we doing about the next generation? Merely screaming from the
> rafters that DCI is the Evil Empire is a waste of time.
Even I granted the apparent implication that such is all I am doing - which I don't -
given all the attention I get for doing so EVERYONE seems to think it AIN'T a waste
of time. If it were, screaming at me for screaming that DCIA is a fucking blando
decades-long fraud appears to be EVERYONE's preferred waste of a waste of time.
> What are YOU going to do, Catherine, to make sure that
> drum corps continues to thrive?
And I should waste my time with you because ?!?!?!?
> Let's be fair where we lay the blame, because
> unless you are willing to do something to improve the
> situation, your soapbox is going to become a rather
> shaky platform.
Here come the threats. <::yawn::>
> Unless you have irrefutable FACTS to back up your rantings,
> I suggest you start looking for some qualified legal help.
> Someone else may not find your screeching as entertaining as I do.
>
> Andrea Birbilis
So your "best to worst" amusing misinformation mischaracterization was a lie?
There's not a damned chance in hell after what I have been publicly and privately put
through (and it's just the surface stuff in the archives; additional investigations
and coeval stories, words and actions would no doubt be far more amusing as we would
all become more and more well-informed about EVERYTHING) that scumbags like whomever
you are who have stood by for both it and a decade of RAMD (added to decades of
EVERYTHING else) has a chance to prevail in any reasonable forum.
The sorry shape of what remains of drum & bugle corps in DCIA - and the more hopeful
state of drum & bugle corps outside of DCIA - is more than enough proof.
The criminal activities and investigations are simply the legal icing on the cake.
So you and yer resume can fuck off, Andrea and all the rest of you apologists who are
attempting to rewrite history in quite familiar ways. Those of us who don't buy into
the blando bullshit ARE going to outlive y'all. EVERYTHING's never, never going to
work... another drum corps value you never learned because you were always wannabes
and blandos and neverweres.
-- Catherine
Andyroo111
>This always makes me laugh - and then realize the pathetic nature of the
>fraud.
>
>For DECADES, the thought of "Wayne Downey signature" oil/cream/grease was the
>HEIGHT
>of arrogance and stupidity.
>
>And then it came true - and I 'spect some people expect such to be taken
>seriously?
>
>B u l l - SHIT!!
>
>-- Catherine
It's my understanding that you were standing on his front doorstep *begging*
for a dose of that oil/cream/grease.
But now it's bullshit?? And you truly expect to be taken seriously?
Not in this lifetime....
Andy
Andyroo111
>
>Whoopie shit. I've been and I am a marching member.
So Catherine, which corps are you marching with - not counting tomorrow?
Let me guess, you're lead (read that "only") french horn for the
look-like-shit-on-the-field-greasy-haired-music-carrying Knights.
Am I right?
Andy
Jack Gillen
"Andyroo111" <andyr...@aol.com> wrote in message
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No, but an excellent guess, Andy. The correct answer is that Catherine is
the Founder and, along with Irv, Noni, and the rest of the gang inside her
head, the entire membership of the Imaginary Crusaders.
Peace,
Jack
--
"If you understood everything I say, you'd be me!" --- Miles Davis
> Andy
Liz Duguay
Andy~
Catherine becomes increasingly unhinged by the day. if some other corps
decided to admit her into their membership i truly pity them
L
Bruce Lindsay
if it was for space constraints or a political decision...the epilogue talks
about the demise of the "neighbourhood' corps and the evolving of the
corporate corps and is also quite an interesting viewpoint that hits home.
Perhaps Geoff can be persuaded to post it here? He did at another news
group.
Bruce.
"Andyroo111" <andyr...@aol.com> wrote in message
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george maloney
Thank you. Great Corps. I marched in The Emerald Cadets from New Haven
CT. at the time and we had much respect for your D&BC back in the day.
Please don't let ramder room get you down;]
All the best,
George Maloney
phre...@arczip.com (Andrea Birbilis) wrote in message news:<f9530525.04092...@posting.google.com>...
Andyroo111
>> >Whoopie shit. I've been and I am a marching member.
>>
>>
>> So Catherine, which corps are you marching with - not counting tomorrow?
>>
>> Let me guess, you're lead (read that "only") french horn for the
>> look-like-shit-on-the-field-greasy-haired-music-carrying Knights.
>>
>> Am I right?
>>
>
>No, but an excellent guess, Andy. The correct answer is that Catherine is
>the Founder and, along with Irv, Noni, and the rest of the gang inside her
>head, the entire membership of the Imaginary Crusaders.
>
>Peace,
>Jack
>
Hey!! Wait a second!! I remember Irv! Wasn't he that big fat bass drummer
with the greasy hair?
Jeff Ream
>Subject: Re: Remembering the Purple Lancers (new Fanfare column at
>www.dci.org)
>From: tomall...@cs.com (TomAllen2001)
>Date: 9/21/2004 4:36 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <20040921163619...@mb-m03.news.cs.com>
Jeff Ream
I am the drummer your color guard captain warned you about
Jeff Ream
>Lancers (new Fanfare column at www.dci.org))
>From: "Catherine" Catherine@yahoo!!!.com
>Date: 9/21/2004 8:42 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <dU34d.6543$Qv5....@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com>
anyone wanna bet if hers are consecutive?
can you list all 32 years of your participation please?
PaNors77
>www.dci.org)
>From: Super...@Yahoo.com (David Martin)
hotel name.....it's all a blur, heh.
Well, there's next year. Ask him sometime about the "power of the pyramids"
and "Brad" the bus driver, lol.
Phil
>
>
>
>
>
PaNors77
>Date: 9/21/2004 5:10 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <bc054425.04092...@posting.google.com>
year. I'll email you tho.
Phil
>
>
>
>
>
topsops
Jeff Ream
>Subject: Re: Forgetting any drum & bugle corps (was Remembering the Purple
>Lancers (new Fanfare column at www.dci.org
>From: yes...@aol.com (topsops)
>Date: 9/22/2004 8:25 AM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <ffe1c417.04092...@posting.google.com>
>
>WOW....you people are really cruel.
>
>
>
>
>
>
TomAllen2001
She's clearly the freakiest character ever created for this newsgroup.
And the person who posts as Catherine better not mess with Andrea. Andrea
actually knows what she's talking about.
C'mon Jeff Ream, admit it... YOU'RE Catherine, right?
JHuf810870
>C'mon Jeff Ream, admit it... YOU'RE Catherine, right?
wait, i thought jeff was spartacus.....no, spang is spartacus.....no, garry is
spartacus....no, andy is spartacus......nanci wants to be spartacus, but i'm
REALLY spartacus........
i'm confused...........SHUT UP, ALLARD!
Ü
jan
Liz Duguay
and here i thought I was Spartacus
L
Andyroo111
>
>C'mon Jeff Ream, admit it... YOU'RE Catherine, right?
>
>
No, I'M SPARTACUS!! errrr CATHERINE! errrr WHOEVER!!!
Liz Duguay
"topsops" <yes...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> WOW....you people are really cruel.
have you watched the names of your friends be dragged thru the mud? have
you seen peoples tragedies brought out for public gawking?
maybe you won't think we're so cruel when you watch her do it to someone you
know. we've been sitting here putting up with her bullshit for over 4 years
now. dragging her agenda into every possible thread she can. do it by
whatever means she can find, and when she can't find a way to connect the
pieces, it doesn't matter. she just makes it up as she goes along.
so, topsops, you're really calling the wrong people cruel here.
L
Jeff Ream
she's more real than the Bills Super Bowl chances
>Subject: Re: Remembering the Purple Lancers (new Fanfare column at
>www.dci.org)
>From: tomall...@cs.com (TomAllen2001)
>Date: 9/22/2004 10:24 AM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <20040922102411...@mb-m11.news.cs.com>
Jeff Ream
>Subject: Re: Remembering the Purple Lancers (new Fanfare column at
>www.dci.org)
>From: jhuf8...@aol.combytethis (JHuf810870)
>Date: 9/22/2004 3:24 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <20040922152413...@mb-m14.aol.com>
Jeff Ream
Jeff Ream
i never did see you two in the same place at the same time
>Subject: Re: Remembering the Purple Lancers (new Fanfare column at
>www.dci.org)
>From: andyr...@aol.com (Andyroo111)
>Date: 9/22/2004 4:52 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <20040922165241...@mb-m11.aol.com>
>
>Tom wrote
>>
>>C'mon Jeff Ream, admit it... YOU'RE Catherine, right?
>>
>>
>
>
>No, I'M SPARTACUS!! errrr CATHERINE! errrr WHOEVER!!!
>
>
>
>
>
>
Catherine
news:20040921232728...@mb-m18.aol.com...
> and she didnt even make a Bills joke
>
> >Subject: Re: Remembering the Purple Lancers (new Fanfare column at
> >www.dci.org)
> >From: tomall...@cs.com (TomAllen2001)
> >Date: 9/21/2004 4:36 PM Eastern Standard Time
> >Message-id: <20040921163619...@mb-m03.news.cs.com>
> >
> >Catherine, What is wrong with you? How can you live with so much anger?
> >It isn't healthy.
I disagree with yer diagnosis. And quite a lot of people are supporting me, and
seeing all the healthy results for themselves. The only people I know who have
issues with me are blandos and/or those who want to continue the denial, either
because they can't face the truth or have reasons for not wanting to do so.
> >Next thing, you'll tell us how Mobobolo folded.
> >
> >This thread started with someone wanting to give props to the
> >only NYS corps to ever make DCI finals,
I would prefer that DCI had never existed, and we still had far more corps in NYS
than are called "corps" (whether corps or bands or not) today.
The longer I live, the prouder I am of NOT marching DCI finals. <disclaimer - not a
slam against anyone who did march, necessarily; we march where our corps does...>
Even so, I am most envious of those persons who never had to live and march in a DCIA
world - and hope for the same for all of us one day again.
What blandos choose is purely their own affair - and has nothing whatsoever to do
with drum & bugle corps.
> > and you turned it into a "Catherine" thing.
> >
<snip>
Here's what was actually posted by me. EVERYONE turned it into a "Catherine" thing,
because EVERYONE prefers such to discussing the real issues and events.
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"Boomike" <boo...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> This week's Fanfare column is a submission by a member of the 1974 Purple
> Lancers of Auburn, NY. This is the 30th anniversary of the 1974 corps' jump
> into DCI World finals.
>
> At www.dci.org.
>
> I'd love to hear from anyone else who has a story to share...about anything.
>
> Michael Boo
> boo...@dci.org
Here's one, Mike:
"Auburn was the corps that told the fledgling DCI organization to fuck off.
They made finals.
Then DCI told them they'd have to tour, and outlined the costs and
obligations.
So the Auburn BoD said that's not what they wanted to do with their corps.
And neatly closed the doors and folded the corps.
So the kids and staff ended up in Squires and Avant Garde. And note how long
those groups lasted."
TomAllen2001
Auburn Purple Lancers.
Jeff Ream
you didnt march there but jumped right in stating "facts" that, as we have been
shown, you knew nothing about.
>Subject: Re: Remembering the Purple Lancers (new Fanfare column at
>www.dci.org)
>From: "Catherine" Catherine@yahoo!!!.com
>Date: 9/24/2004 9:08 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <ny35d.319$Rf1...@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com>
Jeff Ream
>Subject: Re: Remembering the Purple Lancers (new Fanfare column at
>www.dci.org)
>From: NanciD Nan...@att.net
>Date: 9/25/2004 10:22 AM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <25val09q7fs1rdthq...@4ax.com>
>
>On 25 Sep 2004 03:39:14 GMT, jeffsn...@aol.comnospam (Jeff Ream) wrote:
>
>>no you made it a catherine thing.
>>
>>
>>you didnt march there but jumped right in stating "facts" that, as we have
>been
>>shown, you knew nothing about.
>
>Oh, C'mon. I'm sure her *facts* were told to her personally.
>>
>psst.... Catherine.... you are attempting to BS the upstate NYers that were
>there and involved. Good luck with that. Not that any amount of luck will
>help
>here. C'mon.... out with the book already please?
>
>Ok, you proved your point. You are a much bigger joke than the *Ferns* ever
>dreamed / hallucinated of being!
>
>You go Girl! Heh...
>--
>NanciD
>
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Jack Gillen
> well, word is she's NJ's problem now
>
>
You can't possibly be saying some other corps has taken her in...or should I
say, been taken in by her. Well, if so, I say let's start a pool on how long
'til she gets the boot. I'll take March 15, 2005.
Peace,
Jack
--
"If you understood everything I say, you'd be me!" --- Miles Davis