Google Groups no longer supports new Usenet posts or subscriptions. Historical content remains viewable.
Dismiss

RAMD PEOPLE SUCK!!!

0 views
Skip to first unread message

Evilpeople8

unread,
Nov 2, 2001, 11:15:34 AM11/2/01
to
I' ve been reading this board for about a year to get updated on current events
with the drum corps world. But, I gotta tell ya, this board does more harm then
good with the crap that people post!

Most of the information posted on this newsgroup is information that most drum
corps fans, staff , members and others post to get the word out as a marketing
tool. That's cool, but almost all of the time you read the replies people post
and it's unreal.

Just reading the responses posted in the last month are horrible. Were talking
from what corps are playing, bashing individuals, corps and even Hall of Fame
members. NO RESPECT. Then we all wonder why as written in the last DCW issue
the activity keep losing drum corps?

Opinions are one thing but to actually hurt the corps is another. With all
that's going on in our country it's going to be rough enough on most drum corps
this summer! Give them a break.....

Let's think before we post!

Opinions welcomed...


From the"Bing Club"

DCIGene

unread,
Nov 2, 2001, 11:38:52 AM11/2/01
to
I too once felt the way you do and in many ways I guess I still do. There will
always be those on here with their boisterous rants and posts and responses. I
have found that going away from here does not help and that for every one
person who leaves the NG for some reason, a few more trickle back in. It is
almost like a family. Everyone has their quirks. You don't have to agredd
with repsonses to get along. In fact, the "tension" can be very good because
it makes us all takes stock and bring our wisdom and opinions to the table and
we weed through the "moron" posts we find so annoying.
Does the negativity get old? Sure. But as a whole the activity is still very
much alive. If we did not express the opinions and talk about the activity
with the passion we do on RAMD or in person, then I would worry. There is no
single entity in drum corps that will allow us all to come in one place and
love it all unless we as individuals are willing to say, "No matter what you
say or do, I will love everything about corps." Because as you can ask any
member...it's about the group of diversity that brings unity.
My thoughts and opinions. Thanks for reading.

DCIGene
DCIGene
"If it's not Drum Corps, I don't want to know."

David Fisher

unread,
Nov 2, 2001, 3:50:38 PM11/2/01
to


And what world or plant do you live on???

If you think this board is the reason for the decline in drum corps, you
are sadly mistaken.

As a lurker, I have found a *few* people have dominated this board for
the last 9 months with their infighting, bitching and slander remarks.
Seen tons of threads that start off as one thing and they becomes
something totally unrelated after a few poster. Hell you only have to
look at the posting for the last 24 hours where a heading became a
multiple heading with the same name that should been in the original
thread. It not the first time this has happen and it will not be the
last time.

As someone posted not long ago, "America is the land of the free and has
the right's of *Freedom of Speech*", so everyone has the right to post
what every they want regardless what other people think. I have held off
for a long time about posting something that will really piss off quite
a few people, but it is how I feel and think. I have yet to post it, but
may do some day.

Yes, this board will turn off prospective members and fans, but it is a
small amount. Yes it could snowball with one person saying to another
"drum corps is not worth it to march in or go out to see it."

As to *RESPECT*, that is a *lost* word these days along with *Common
Courtesy*.

As to decline of drum corps, that is a thread all by itself since there
are many reasons.

So put up the kill files and forget about reading thread as it moves to
the right and you will do fine.

You think some people think before they post? I think not.

As for hurting corps, a few of these corps have it coming because of
their music, staff, management and *WHO* runs the show.

As for been rough on the corps next summer, I guess you were not around
for the late 60's and early 70's when a lot of corps members got drafted
as the season went on?

Let the flames begin

bill turner

unread,
Nov 2, 2001, 4:30:48 PM11/2/01
to
in article 20011102111534...@mb-cm.aol.com, Evilpeople8 at
evilp...@aol.com wrote on 11/2/01 6:15 AM:

<snip>
> Opinions welcomed...
<snip>

Mahalo, 8, for soliciting opinions. Herein the following paragraphs are to
be considered prefaced with "IMHO." Also, these opinions refer more to
"junior" than senior corps; I've never been a senior.

I concur, 8, with the title of your post, and am grateful that certain RAMD
denizens are "vacuum enabled" ... yes, very grateful indeed.

For those of us "dear readers" who complain of the off-topic nature of most
posts, I urge you to explore the whole of the Usenet and then return to
RAMD. "misc.writing" is a great place to start and an interesting contrast
with RAMD. Much more vindictive newsgroups are easy to find; many of them
are ostensibly "professionally-oriented."

I've long enjoyed RAMD as a naive little Disneyland relative to the
wasteland that is Usenet. It is the obscurity of the drumcorps activity that
shields us from the incessant pornographic and ponzi-scheme postings that
dominate nearly ever other newsgroup.

For those of us "dear readers" who claim that social chit-chat is off-topic
for a board that appeals to the drumcorp family, I strongly urge considering
just what drumcorps is all about. I applaud the great strides that drumcorps
has made musically over the last three decades; conversely, though drumcorps
has produced some professional musicians over the years, one who aspires to
a professional music career is wise to seek the bulk of their musical
training somewhere other than drumcorps.

Drumcorps is, first and foremost, an intense social activity. Even if you
*do* seek a career in the music industry, I'd still recommend drumcorps as
an excellent vehicle for personal growth.

For those of us "dear readers" complaining that all the posts are by
Catherine, please note that of the last 1700+ posts (those displayed in my
reader), the #1 poster by frequency is not Catherine.

RAMD is, 8, roughly 100 occasional posters reaching an audience of perhaps
2,000 lurkers. Even considering the dearth of persons world-wide who
participate in drumcorps, RAMD still is a tiny fraction of the drumcorps
tribe. Nonetheless I find it a valid cross-section.

Threads such as the "bus trips" sure enough re-enact the drumcorps
experience better than most. And RAMD "police actions" sure enough are
exactly analogous to the "junior instructor" attitude universal among junior
corps, and preschoolers too. It's an archetypal role among most societies, I
hasten to add.

My only criticisms of RAMD content are these two:

- Venomous hate threads: I don't criticize the fact that they are here, I
criticize that they are so poorly done. Grade-school drivel, mostly. Yet
there are few written or oral activities more enlivening than ritual insult,
well-conceived. So for example the ex-Survivor castmember who's posted under
"Batherine" and "Sacharrine" was off to a witty start, and it's a shame that
subsequent musings left half of that wit on the can.

- Too few memories: especially from younger members and ex-members. C'mon, I
wanna hear all the gritty stuffs about tour! We've all shared so many
experiences: the gyms, showers, stadiums, crappy food, clueless instructors,
and the freedom to pretend we were adults, if only for the summer. Those
experiences are why we are here, ne pas? <remembers too late never to ask
rhetorical questions>

Flames welcomed <covering both heads>.

-- Nancy's "hubby"

Evilpeople8

unread,
Nov 3, 2001, 1:30:15 AM11/3/01
to
No flames, good points....still doesn't make it right!


My point about hurting the activity is from a new members perspective.


As for the 60's and 70's, they tell me I had a good time, don't remember! haha

It's a different time my friend and a different activity!


Jeffsjetta

unread,
Nov 3, 2001, 1:51:19 AM11/3/01
to
sign your name...your profile is hides you well.

TBTDC

unread,
Nov 3, 2001, 2:37:10 AM11/3/01
to
its better this way, to many people on this newsgroup go out of there way and
post peoples personal lives...

Catherine

unread,
Nov 3, 2001, 7:20:15 AM11/3/01
to
"NanciD" <nan...@att.net.not> wrote in message
news:tta7ut44bsoh0qomi...@4ax.com...

> On 03 Nov 2001 06:30:15 GMT, evilp...@aol.com (Evilpeople8) wrote:
>
> >No flames, good points....still doesn't make it right!

Hmmm... "making it right..." Hmmm...

> >
> >
> >My point about hurting the activity is from a new members perspective.
> >
> >
> >As for the 60's and 70's, they tell me I had a good time, don't remember!
haha
> >
> >It's a different time my friend and a different activity!

So the standards for right and wrong have changed too?

SORRY, PALLY!! <$1 to JB> Just because all you ASSFUCKS *FAIL* to create
what others created, it's neither the fault of "different times" and the
supposedly "different" DRUM CORPS SPIRIT!!

We bus people, many of us former VKs and MANY others are doing DRUM CORPS
RIGHT NOW, IN THE HERE AND NOW. And if you can't do it either, it's because
you are a FAILURE and a WANNABE.

BITE ME!! <$1 to Ron A.- this is neither to claim, as many do, that Ron A.
takes any position on me or what I just posted>

It's not the destruction of the "drum corps activity" that I have had
anything to do with - I don't sit on the board of DCI, remember? I am told
QUITE OFTEN how unimportant I am and how uninfluential I am and how I don't
do ANYTHING and never HAVE done anything of worth in this activity.

I am one of the MANY who embody the drum corps spirit. There are those who
choose to associate with me and those who don't. *I* am not the one forcing
ANYONE to choose sides. I have proven I am FAR more than capable of
inclusion and not doing anything against people *I* might personally
dislike. *I* am not the problem here.

Deal with it, ball-less people. More to come <oooh> later...

Hiding behind the "drum corps activity"... and other things ONCE again...

<tee>

-- Catherine

> >
>
> Is it?
> Why or why not?
> --
>
> mailto:Nan...@att.net


Jummy Jenkins

unread,
Nov 3, 2001, 8:44:30 AM11/3/01
to
evilp...@aol.com (Evilpeople8) wrote in message news:<20011102111534...@mb-cm.aol.com>...


Let me understand this correctly: You are complaining about people on
RAMD bashing other people, then you title your thread: RAMD people
suck.
You, my freind are a hypocrite and an idiot.

Catherine

unread,
Nov 3, 2001, 8:49:31 AM11/3/01
to
"Jummy Jenkins" <jummyj...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:9894831f.01110...@posting.google.com...

> Let me understand this correctly: You are complaining about people on
> RAMD bashing other people, then you title your thread: RAMD people
> suck.
> You, my freind are a hypocrite and an idiot.

There's that "friend" thang again...

Do we have to have this discussion about SUCKing again?

Oh, sorry, I forgot... I SUCK!!!

(And very well, I might add - I have references...)

-- Catherine


Darkman

unread,
Nov 3, 2001, 12:54:51 PM11/3/01
to
I love RAMD & Drum Corps alot it helps me get & send information about
our activity, but lately this forum the last several months has been
hard to read thru all of the B/S, that's been going on here.

I believe in "Freedom of Speech", but to use this forum as your
personal soapbox is not good for the activity. Please take your
personal in-fighting elsewhere.

The reason you don't see me post that much anymore is due to this kind
crap. I know I'm not the worlds greatest writer, and so I have to
chose my time when I do post, just to make sure that I'm not stepping
on anyone toes.

I'm sorry if I make any of you mad or pissed-off, but I love this
activity to much to see harm in this way, when someone from the
outside comes here for the first, the personal flaming , back
stabbing, name calling, etc., doesn't look good, and you wonder why
this activity doesn't get the corporate funding & TV sponsorship like
it deserves. We all put alot of personal time in this activity not to
see it die. So I chose to work within the system, to make it better,
than slam it from the outside with all of the B/S.

Again I'm if I pissed-off anyone...

Mike Nash
aka: Darkman

evilp...@aol.com (Evilpeople8) wrote in message news:<20011102111534...@mb-cm.aol.com>...

Catherine

unread,
Nov 3, 2001, 1:37:45 PM11/3/01
to
Kiss my ass, angry black man <$1 to you>. When you start answering
questions about "the truth" you were told, I might give a shit. Until then,
you're just another wannabe apologist who's not telling all parties all
sides. I've been watching that manipulation for quite some time.

Impulse or not, the truth is out there.

-- Catherine


Jeffsjetta

unread,
Nov 4, 2001, 2:45:51 AM11/4/01
to
well....i wouldnt kiss my mother with that mouth

Catherine

unread,
Nov 4, 2001, 6:10:53 AM11/4/01
to
"Darkman" <mnda...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:a4ccc036.01110...@posting.google.com...

> I love RAMD & Drum Corps alot it helps me get & send information about
> our activity, but lately this forum the last several months has been
> hard to read thru all of the B/S, that's been going on here.
>
> I believe in "Freedom of Speech", but to use this forum as your
> personal soapbox is not good for the activity. Please take your
> personal in-fighting elsewhere.

Hey, Mr. Nash! Remember this?

This is it,
I made the comments due to your post on RAMD as an individual
a french horn player., and I wanted to voice my opinion. That's
it
NOT as a Renegade, I repeat NOT as a Renegade.
This is America where there is freedom of speech...
If you don't understand that then I'm sorry.
I don't know you from Adam, just like I said I was out of the
country, on a business Trip in Taipei Taiwan at a Computex. And I
also said I was sorry.
NO more on this subject.
Also I didn't voice any as you say "silly accusations about
me"
THIS IS AMERICA...
Just drop it and Let it go, move on with your life...
I hope you do well this summer...
I do have to say one more thing, from what I've seen by your
posting on RAMD,
you bring this type of controversy on your all by yourself

NO MORE EMAILS, That's it I'm letting this thing fade as a
mistake on my part.
Understood, I hope you do...
__________________________________________________

Guess you were lying when you wrote that you were going to let this thing
fade as a mistake on your part. Gee, what a surprise... I am SHOCKED!!

As YOU write, THIS IS AMERICA.

And for you and your concerns, ever think that I'm reacting to what OTHERS
do because I'm TIRED OF DRUM CORPS PEOPLE BEING TREATED LIKE SHEEP?

And that's in general. But because I am not someone's idea of a "nice
girlee", I get SPECIAL treatment. Oh yeah, I *do* bring it on myself - TO
SHOW PEOPLE FOR WHAT THEY ARE.

Got it? Dance, puppets, dance.

We'll see how stupid drum corps people are, and if there *is* ANY HONOR AND
TRADITION and RESPECT FOR GENUINENESS LEFT in this activity... And wouldn't
THAT just be too bad, eh?

Well, some people like that kind of drum corps, and some people... are
wannabes that have a DIFFERENT system for ensuring dominance.

In my opinion, of course. The reader and the drum corps fans and members
can decide for themselves if I am destructive to this activity or simply
holding up the mirror.

-- Catherine


Suzy Hawks

unread,
Nov 4, 2001, 8:39:51 AM11/4/01
to
> >
> >Impulse or not, the truth is out there.
> >

> >
Jokes For Sunday from this statement:


1) Hey, what do the fine folks in Impulse have to do with anything
anyway?

2) "The truth is out there"....X-Files....conspiracy...it all makes
sense now. They say your writing is a gateway to your soul....


Kickin' it with the Sunday paper,

Susan

Catherine

unread,
Nov 4, 2001, 9:09:56 AM11/4/01
to
"Suzy Hawks" <sacharr...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1469f45f.01110...@posting.google.com...

Susan - You sound like any other 19-year old clarinet player I've met. Do
you know RyanSnare, another rookie?

I know that people like JB and I don't know anything, and you know EVERYONE,
but...

As for me, I'm going to go to church now, sing with one of my favorite
Taurus baritone non-existent friends, and take communion as I honor what
Jesus said to do. How about you?

I certainly hope the Reverend Rosa Lee Harden would approve. Why did I
write that? Because I looked at the subject line, thought of Christ and
communion at my Episcopal church, and then thought of her - my Taurus
baritone friend will understand exactly why that's related, even if many
people don't. Strangely enough, I also believe quite a number of other
people will understand that also...even more than the ones copied on this
post. Also imagine the vast numbers of readers who also believe that I know
EXACTLY what I am talking about.

Toodles,
Catherine


Robert Brown

unread,
Nov 4, 2001, 10:53:01 AM11/4/01
to


And recently said:


>>When are you ASSFUCKS going to get it that I don't give a SHIT about telling
>>the truth about ANY fact?

>>-- Catherine


Perplexing, isn't it.


Rob

Jeffsjetta

unread,
Nov 4, 2001, 5:51:36 PM11/4/01
to
yawn

Jummy Jenkins

unread,
Nov 4, 2001, 7:27:14 PM11/4/01
to
evilp...@aol.com (Evilpeople8) wrote in message news:<20011102111534...@mb-cm.aol.com>...

Let me understand this correctly... You are complaining about people
bashing people on RAMD, by bashing RAMD yourself?
Riiiiiggggghhhhhhttt!

Watchman697

unread,
Nov 4, 2001, 10:49:48 PM11/4/01
to
>Subject: Re: RAMD PEOPLE SUCK!!!
>From: "Catherine" cather...@yahoo.com
>Date: 11/4/01 9:09 AM EST
>Message-id: <U_bF7.12991$S4.12...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net


>As for me, I'm going to go to church now, sing with one of my favorite
>Taurus baritone non-existent friends, and take communion as I honor what
>Jesus said to do. How about you?


YOU??? Taking communion??? YOU a devout ANTI CHRISTIAN???? One who is a
proud pagan worshipper of Thor, and the other norse gods?

>I certainly hope the Reverend Rosa Lee Harden would approve. Why did I
>write that? Because I looked at the subject line, thought of Christ and
>communion at my Episcopal church, and then thought of her - my Taurus
>baritone friend will understand exactly why that's related, even if many
>people don't. Strangely enough, I also believe quite a number of other
>people will understand that also...even more than the ones copied on this
>post. Also imagine the vast numbers of readers who also believe that I know
>EXACTLY what I am talking about.
>
>Toodles,
>Catherine
>


YOu still haven't answered my questions about are you or are you not invoking
Thor or other "entities" against certain ramders here? How are you attacking
then? Do you invoke death or bodily harm or do you just go for the finances?
or both?

Please enlighten us, or maybe if you do your spells won't work? hmmm.

Watchman


Catherine

unread,
Nov 4, 2001, 10:57:50 PM11/4/01
to
Watchman, Mr/s. _________@aol.com ball-less coward, your questions are so
unintelligent and inconsistent... I have refuted many of your assertions
herein already on RAMD. "Google"

Your primary aim is to slam and insult me, not to reach greater
understanding and growth and mutual respect.

If mine enemies can't find ONE RAMD'er to stand up under his or her own name
to ask for substantive clarification on the few interesting points that I
COULD pick out of this SHI5, then you can just go F&CK YOURSELF - since it's
obvious you already know how to do that, Mr/s. Wannabe and
Never-Will-Be-At-This-Rate.

-- Catherine


"Watchman697" <watch...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20011104224948...@mb-cc.aol.com...

Glen Hazelwood

unread,
Nov 4, 2001, 11:06:11 PM11/4/01
to
>watch...@aol.com

As much as I can't believe I'm doing this:

Shut up asshole !
We may have peace breaking out here !

Glen

"All I ask for is a chance to prove that money can't make me happy"
Spike Milligan


Jeffsjetta

unread,
Nov 4, 2001, 11:12:10 PM11/4/01
to
>As much as I can't believe I'm doing this:
>
>Shut up asshole !
>We may have peace breaking out here !

53 minutes yer safe

Watchman697

unread,
Nov 4, 2001, 11:22:04 PM11/4/01
to
>Subject: Re: RAMD PEOPLE SUCK!!!
>From: jth1...@aol.com (Glen Hazelwood)
>Date: 11/4/01 11:06 PM EST
>Message-id: <20011104230611...@mb-bk.aol.com>

>
>>watch...@aol.com
>
>As much as I can't believe I'm doing this:
>
>Shut up asshole !
>We may have peace breaking out here !
>
>Glen

Sorry, maybe I picked the wrong day to ask the hard questions. Mybad.

Watchman

Watchman697

unread,
Nov 4, 2001, 11:33:35 PM11/4/01
to
>Subject: Re: RAMD PEOPLE SUCK!!!
>From: Ron Allard R...@Diceman.com
>Date: 11/4/01 11:29 PM EST
>Message-id: <575cuto6gf7j392iv...@4ax.com>
>Tomorrow doesn't look good, either...
>
>Heh...
>
>
>--
>Ron in Vegas
>mailto:ron.a...@att.net
>

Ooops, heh.

Watchman

Watchman697

unread,
Nov 4, 2001, 11:43:23 PM11/4/01
to
>Subject: Re: RAMD PEOPLE SUCK!!!
>From: "Catherine" cather...@yahoo.com
>Date: 11/4/01 10:57 PM EST
>Message-id: <27oF7.15059$S4.13...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>

>
>Watchman, Mr/s. _________@aol.com ball-less coward, your questions are so
>unintelligent and inconsistent... I have refuted many of your assertions
>herein already on RAMD. "Google"

Please enlighten me. My questions are valid since you lately have made veiled
threats against folks in the last few days,no? Ok, well maybe YOU don't think
statements like (paraphrased)"waiting to see what happens" to certain folks on
here is a threat, ok. Coward?? I guess JB was a coward when he was
annonomous? Naww, not really.

>
>Your primary aim is to slam and insult me, not to reach greater
>understanding and growth and mutual respect.

Nope, I want to KNOW if you ARE cursing/spelling people on here or not. I want
to see some kind of credential or schooling to back up your claim as a
paralegal/legal secretary. YOu seem to spout off a lot about "lawsuits" and
"legal files" and the like.

>If mine enemies

(and you certainly have made PLENTY. Soon they will all be destroyed under you
right? insert evil cackle here, lol.)

can't find ONE RAMD'er to stand up under his or her own name
>to ask for substantive clarification on the few interesting points that I
>COULD pick out of this SHI5, then you can just go F&CK YOURSELF - since it's
>obvious you already know how to do that, Mr/s. Wannabe and
>Never-Will-Be-At-This-Rate.
>

YOu certainly flash your Berkely degree, please share with us your credentials
in the legal field and you'll earn some respect,no? OK?
>-- Catherine
>


AGain, folks she just won't answer the hard questions I guess.

>"Watchman697"


Catherine

unread,
Nov 4, 2001, 11:52:29 PM11/4/01
to
"NanciD" <nan...@att.net.not> wrote in message
news:gq5cutsrdcl4m6nq3...@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 05 Nov 2001 03:57:50 GMT, "Catherine" <cather...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>
> Pardon me....but, I'm feeling the need to be a little humorous.
>
> >Your primary aim is to slam me...
>
> Isn't that what we all want?!

Yeah, I told Ron Housley that I liked getting pounded. But Ron is SUCH a
nice baritone - award-winning lead, even - that he refused to use that
terminology. He said he'd teach me new ways to express myself.

He gets that way when he helps all those young ladies find just the right
bathing suits at the Pismo Beach Surf Shop... It's a tough job, but
somebody's got to help all those ladies. And Ron says they're always so
grateful, always running out to show him and ask him what he thinks...

>
> > go F&CK YOURSELF ....
>
> God, I'd never leave the house!!!!!!!!!!

Hey, particularly since one knows everything one likes best, eh?

-- Catherine


> --
>
> mailto:Nan...@att.net
>


Catherine

unread,
Nov 4, 2001, 11:56:36 PM11/4/01
to
"Watchman697" <watch...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20011104234323...@mb-cc.aol.com...

I've answered some of your questions already - and for the third time,
Google, and research Asatru enough to ask some intelligent basic questions
(that's TWO places to get your answers).

Gee, you're just a ball-less troll, ASSF&CK.

-- Catherine


Jeffsjetta

unread,
Nov 5, 2001, 12:33:51 AM11/5/01
to
sigh is it truce time yet

Watchman697

unread,
Nov 5, 2001, 1:49:34 AM11/5/01
to
>Subject: Re: RAMD PEOPLE SUCK!!!
>From: "Catherine" cather...@yahoo.com
>Date: 11/4/01 11:56 PM EST
>Message-id: <8_oF7.15208$S4.14...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>


And again I HAVE asked an authority on the subject. YOU REVEAL if you are
working/casting spells on ramd folks or have in the past!!!! All your posts
are "veiled" to this subject with little clues,etc. I'm asking you point blank.


>Gee, you're just a ball-less troll, ASSF&CK.


Nope, since I'm NOT Stephanie, I have balls. Balls enough to call an occultist
like yourself out in the open, irregardless of my incognito status. Again, why
is it ok for JB to do it and not me or anybody else, hmmmm???

Watchman
>-- Catherine
>
>
>
>
>
>


Catherine

unread,
Nov 5, 2001, 2:40:07 AM11/5/01
to
"Watchman697" <watch...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20011105014934...@mb-cc.aol.com...

>
> And again I HAVE asked an authority on the subject.

If you did, in fact, ask an Asatruar authority, then I suggest you have them
read your posts. Tell me and all of RAMD what they say about that one,
ASSF&CK!

You are an anonymous, ball-less troll. NO Asatruar of worth would assist you
in what you are doing. An Asatruar would openly and straight-out ask, in
honor and truth.

-- Catherine


Glen Hazelwood

unread,
Nov 5, 2001, 3:07:56 AM11/5/01
to
>From: NanciD

>Only one hour to
>go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Actually, it's been on for two hours.
EST was the standard.
But I think we can all agree that any Watchman slams can be accepted.

Sorry I was gone for awhile.
Got "preoccupied" again ! ;)

Watchman697

unread,
Nov 5, 2001, 11:32:36 AM11/5/01
to
>Subject: Re: RAMD PEOPLE SUCK!!!
>From: "Catherine" cather...@yahoo.com
>Date: 11/5/01 2:40 AM EST
>Message-id: <rnrF7.15444$S4.14...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>

>
>"Watchman697" <watch...@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:20011105014934...@mb-cc.aol.com...
>>
>> And again I HAVE asked an authority on the subject.
>
>If you did, in fact, ask an Asatruar authority, then I suggest you have them
>read your posts. Tell me and all of RAMD what they say about that one,
>ASSF&CK!

Ummm.....again they DO tell about spells against enemies Cath. And again, my
posts are asking, YOU'RS are flaming/attacking with cusswords.

>
>You are an anonymous, ball-less troll.

So was JB I guess. Oh, but he's different.
I guess you're the new great north witch
who killed the good one, right?

NO Asatruar of worth would assist you
>in what you are doing. An Asatruar would openly and straight-out ask, in
>honor and truth.


I'm no asatruar, but you're so defensive about MY openly and straight out
asking. YOU please be honest and truthful and tell us all if you have done
ANYTHING against ANYBODY on this newsgroup having to do with rites/rituals for
ANYTHING, especially any kind of revenge.

Watchman
>-- Catherine
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


Jeffsjetta

unread,
Nov 5, 2001, 2:28:26 PM11/5/01
to
sigh and here why started out with a nice post on the merits of sucking and we
get all this.....

Vince Lamb

unread,
Nov 9, 2001, 1:01:58 AM11/9/01
to
bill turner <bill_ge...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<B80834A7.241C%bill_ge...@hotmail.com>...

<great post read, sent to gram...@yahoo.com (wish more of you would
do this!), and snipped!>

> My only criticisms of RAMD content are these two:
>
> - Venomous hate threads: I don't criticize the fact that they are here, I
> criticize that they are so poorly done. Grade-school drivel, mostly. Yet
> there are few written or oral activities more enlivening than ritual insult,
> well-conceived.

I quite agree. Years ago, I wrote a post titled "Vince's Guide to
Effective Flaming" that I think would do wonders to the quality of
flames around here if it were followed. Here is the expanded version,
which I posted back in 1996:

-------------------------------------------
Subject: Vince's Guide to Effective Flaming


It has come to my attention that there are quite a number of novices
here on
this newsgroup that haven't learned the fine art of flaming. Tsk,
tsk! This
has produced many poorly executed flames which fail at both the main
task
of insulting their targets and the secondary task of amusing the
readership.
(Whether they succeed in adequately venting the irritation of their
posters
is another matter entirely! :-) Here, men and women of RAMD, is one
such
poorly executed flame which I shall use as an object lesson for...

VINCE'S GUIDE TO EFFECTIVE FLAMING

be...@emuvax.emich.edu (David Below "Average" <-:3 ) wrote:

}Hey Lamb,

Always include the internet address of your target. This lets readers
who
know people by their addresses *exactly* who you attacking. Failure
to do
so suggests ignorance of how to use your newsreading software (most
newsreaders do this automatically), disregard for USENET convention,
or
indifference toward getting credit for your attack.

} You must be the guy that Mazur was blasting on the net a while
back.
^^^^^^^^
Be careful about your diction. Carelessly chosen words can and will
be
turned against you (Blasting? Yes, that's a fair description of what
Kenbo
was doing in his post. The man can't resist using a 10 gauge shotgun
when
an air rifle will do :-).

}So what is your point about "Bones Trivia"?

If you ask a question, don't ramble on. State that you are waiting
for an
answer and then stop. Give your targets enough rope with which to
hang
themselves by letting them either pointedly ignore you or give a
foolish or
inflammatory answer. *Then* let loose! Of course, if you're dead-set
on
flaming them, don't ask a question; they might deny you the
opportunity to
flame by apologizing.

}So a corps with a rocky past is
}sufficient grounds to call them out for no reason?

*Always* cite the passage which you find offensive. It should support
the
point you are making and will allow the readers to evaluate your
claim,
inviting them to make follow-up posts that will support your position.
Not
citing the passage indicates ignorance of how to use your
newsreading/editing
software (again, most newsreaders will automatically include the post
to
which you are responding), uncertainty that the passage actually
supports
your claim, or contempt for the opinions of readers.

By the way, here is the relevant passage:

Richard...@um.cc.umich.edu wrote:

}meare...@aol.com (Frank Schoenbach) wrote: <snip!>
}}>According to the above criteria, which corps has had the worst
karma?
}}
}}Crossmen!
}
}No shit! Maybe that's why fortune has smiled on them the past five
years--
}they've already had enough bad luck!

be...@emuvax.emich.edu (David Below "Average" <-:3 ) continued:

}Your bullshit logic
}certainly matches what was torn apart in that Mazur posting.

Use the appropriate tools to analyze your target's rhetoric. Use of
the wrong
tools indicates that you did not properly understand the posting. In
this
case, the passage emphasized karma, a religious concept which cannot
best be
analyzed using logic, and whimsy, which relies on paradoxes in logic,
and is
best countered by humor.

}And your a Ph.D
}supposedly? Hmmmnnn....

Punctuate your post properly. Correct grammar will improve people's
perception of your intelligence. Incorrect grammar will prompt
readers to
wonder about your education. It also tempts your target to engage in
creative
misunderstanding, such as "What about my supposed Ph.D.? You forgot
the
verb! By the way, I don't have a doctorate. I have a Masters
degree--in
SCIENCE!"

(No longer true, I'm now Dr. Lamb. RVL 5/9/96)

} What's your drum corps experience? Have you ever toured with
ANY
}corps? Do you know first hand what marching in a corps demands?

Know your opponent--it will prevent you from making foolish or lazy
mistakes.
If you are flaming a long-time, frequent poster, particularly one you
have
long-standing reason to dislike, you should have had ample opportunity
to have
read his or her posts and notice the important personal details that
invariably slip out. If you are flaming a less visible target in a
generally
friendly newsgroup, you should still be able to use net resources to
get
information that you will find useful. Not taking advantage of these
opportunities will lead readers to suspect that you are a brash novice
who
hasn't read the group long enough to post intelligently, a dabbler who
reads
posts on very few topics once in a while, or a "troller" who is
fishing
newsgroups for trouble. It may also tempt your target into offering
you
trades in information that you might find distasteful ("I'll answer
your
questions if you'll answer mine. Where did Ken go to high school and
college,
what was his major, and what is his marital status? Also, would you
please
explain why he is no longer teaching drumlines?") or displaying
superior
skills in sleuthing ("Say, how *is* playing at Ashley's, The Blind
Pig,
and Cross Street Station? How is life on Olive St. in Ypsilanti?").

(FWIW, He never did answer my questions about Ken Mazur. If any of
you know
the answers, please email me. I *do* wish to follow my own advice!
Also, Mr. Below now lives on North Washington St. in Ypsilanti, BTW.
Amazing what you can discover if you just look in the phone book :->
RVL
5/9/96)

}If you want
}to throw words around, I suggest approaching a Bone's member face to
face and
}seeing how karma REALLY works.

Avoid speaking for a group unless you have a recognized position as
leader
or spokesman. Otherwise, you might step out in front to speak, then
turn
around and find that the group has left! (Speaking of which, there
are lots
of other Crossmen alums, fans, and members on the net, none of whom
has
objected. Any Crossmen out there, please post your reaction to the
passage
I quoted above to the net. Should it really be offensive, I'll gladly
apologize.)

} I have to admit, the letters RAMD create a pronunciation that
seems
}equivalent of your mental condition.

Never use the newsgroup name as an insult--it indirectly insults *all*
the
readers. Any good flame is also an appeal to the court of public
opinion.
Public opinion does *not* take kindly to being insulted!

}Take your attitude to Allentown sometime
}and be sure to wear your emergency I.D. tag...your belief in Crossmen
}"inabilities" will be thoroughly revised and I guarantee you'll need
}something to identify your remains.

*Never* threaten physical violence on the net! Doing so exposes a
number of
shortcomings. First, it shows that you do not understand the nature
of the
net. Would you make a threat in front of 10,000 flesh and blood
people who
can all see and hear you as well as if they were five feet away?
Second, it
indicates lack of both rationality and self-discipline and will
prejudice
the readers against what you have to say. Third, it suggests that, on
a
medium in which ability to use words is paramount, your ability to
express
yourself using words is limited. Finally, it indicates that you have
not been
paying attention to the news for the past month and casts doubt on
your
ability to balance rewards and punishments.

(Mr. Below posted his threat when a U of M student was being held for
trial on federal charges of 'transmitting a wire threat across state
lines.' I guess the EMU paper didn't give the story adequate
coverage)

Hoping that this will increase the signal to noise ratio on this
newsgroup
or, failing that, at least make the noise more entertaining! ]:-}

}David Below
}Crossmen Snare '92

Vince

------------------------------------------------------------------------

And here's the section on profanity...

This past month, sa...@aol.com (J. Sacktig) told Drew McPheeters to
"blow
me".

This indicates the same faults as threats of violence, particularly
inability to use words effectively and inattention to public affairs
relating to the internet (i.e., the Exon amendment to the
telecommunications bill). It invites contempt (Drew did this better
than
me), calls for "match-making" between people who the target thinks
deserve each other ("Ooo, I should tell Rich Stuemke on you!"), or
non-obscene insults ("That would be like putting a soprano mouthpiece
inside a contra. Ask your brother about that one!"). Do *not*
respond
with more profanity, as seen in this exchange:

To Lee Rudnicki from Martha Leeson: "Fuck you!" <then a good
tongue-lashing showing that she could use words effectively>

Lee Rudnicki : "Fuck you, too!" <then a diatribe about introducing
hatred to AOL when there is ample evidence of maliciousness already
being
present on that service--i. e., the AOHell program, which causes all
kinds of nastiness, such as shutting up people in chat rooms, posting
ascii fingers on their screens, and scrambling people's email>

Really! Someone who aspires to be a lawyer should be able come up
with
better responses than that. Here are a few that come to mind:

"Missed your chance when you marched with me."

"Watched the video to see if that was a good idea."

"Sorry, that job's taken."

"Oh, your love life's that bad?"

I can go on and on. In fact, I have a unique comeback for the 50 most
frequent posters on RAMD--and some for the less frequent but more
annoying ones, too! Exercise your imagination and see if you can do
the
same--and make sure your answers have none of the "seven dirty words"
in
them!

Hope you enjoyed this!

Vince
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I *still* think this belongs in the FAQ!

> Flames welcomed <covering both heads>.

Uh, shouldn't it be Nancy's job to cover at least *one* of your heads?
];-}

<Ducks!>

> -- Nancy's "hubby"

Vince Lamb
"Who knows what evil lurks in the heart of RAMD? The Pollmaster
does!"

Vince Lamb

unread,
Nov 9, 2001, 2:16:51 AM11/9/01
to
Another comment to an edited version.

bill turner <bill_ge...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<B80834A7.241C%bill_ge...@hotmail.com>...

> For those of us "dear readers" who claim that social chit-chat is off-topic
> for a board that appeals to the drumcorp family, I strongly urge considering
> just what drumcorps is all about.

<snip!>

> Drumcorps is, first and foremost, an intense social activity. Even if you
> *do* seek a career in the music industry, I'd still recommend drumcorps as
> an excellent vehicle for personal growth.

<snip!>

> Threads such as the "bus trips" sure enough re-enact the drumcorps
> experience better than most. And RAMD "police actions" sure enough are
> exactly analogous to the "junior instructor" attitude universal among junior
> corps, and preschoolers too. It's an archetypal role among most societies, I
> hasten to add.


>
> My only criticisms of RAMD content are these two:

<snip!>

> - Too few memories: especially from younger members and ex-members. C'mon, I
> wanna hear all the gritty stuffs about tour! We've all shared so many
> experiences: the gyms, showers, stadiums, crappy food, clueless instructors,
> and the freedom to pretend we were adults, if only for the summer. Those
> experiences are why we are here, ne pas? <remembers too late never to ask
> rhetorical questions>

I wholeheartedly agree. I have *no* problem with "bus" threads and
even ran the original RAMD "bus", the CyberCorps rehearsals on
GlobalMUSH, back in 1993-1994. Here's what I wrote in defense of
socializing on RAMD back in 1995:

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Unlike Stuart, I see a purpose in the light conversation in which the
majority of posters on this newsgroup engage--community building. The
fluff that so annoys him includes all the topics that we discussed in
gym floors, busses, and in and under the back stands at shows when I
marched and I'm sure are still being discussed in those same places.
That one can discuss them competently (yes, Stuart, it is possible to
be a competent gossip or trivia expert--I consider myself to be both!)
is a sign that one belongs in the junior drum corps community and is
deserving of respect. It also acts as a social glue that connects
members of all junior corps together. I believe it serves these same
two purposes on RAMD--it identifies who really does/did march (or was
an avid enough fan to be granted honorary status) and gives us a
common social currency. That the subjects of the conversations are
light and trivial instead of weighty does not matter--the bonds the
conversations make between people
are just as real!
------------------------------------------------------------------------

Substitute the name of any one of the people who complain about OT
threads on RAMD for Stuart's and this passage would work just as well.

IMHO, what upsets people so much about "bus" threads most likely isn't
the content; it's the people posting. Years ago, I found out that
Stuart Rice or Barry York could post something reasonable and have 10
people flame them for their style or some perceived mistake. Then I
could post the same thing a few months later and get emails of
agreement but no flames. RAMD is not fair and lots of what goes on
here boils down to personality and popularity, not the validity of the
views expressed. If I were running a "bus", there would be more
riders and fewer complainers! Personally, I have *no* problem with
the people riding the bus as long as they *stay on the bus*. For some
of them, it's the single most useful thing they can do on RAMD--keep
the party going! For those of you who don't like "bus" threads--don't
read them! Apply "preparation K" (a killfile) or just don't click on
a link to a bus thread. What are you all, people who can't stand the
idea that someone you don't like is having harmless fun?

And I'd like to read more "war stories" too! The MAV gRAMDie is
intended for "tales from tour!"

BTW, Bill, you got no flames from me on this post!

> -- Nancy's "hubby"

Vince Lamb
gRAMDie MC and RAMD Pollmaster

Nancy Holgate

unread,
Nov 9, 2001, 4:11:52 AM11/9/01
to
in article d2659a9f.01110...@posting.google.com, Vince Lamb at
vince...@yahoo.com wrote on 11/8/01 8:01 PM:

> bill turner <bill_ge...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:<B80834A7.241C%bill_ge...@hotmail.com>...

<snip>

Hubby wrote:
>
>> Flames welcomed <covering both heads>.
>

Vince said:
> Uh, shouldn't it be Nancy's job to cover at least *one* of your heads?
> ];-}
>
> <Ducks!>

It's not just a job...
it's an aperture!

(t)

Catherine

unread,
Nov 9, 2001, 7:35:09 AM11/9/01
to
"Vince Lamb" <vince...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:d2659a9f.01110...@posting.google.com...

>
> IMHO, what upsets people so much about "bus" threads most likely isn't
> the content; it's the people posting. Years ago, I found out that
> Stuart Rice or Barry York could post something reasonable and have 10
> people flame them for their style or some perceived mistake. Then I
> could post the same thing a few months later and get emails of
> agreement but no flames. RAMD is not fair and lots of what goes on
> here boils down to personality and popularity, not the validity of the
> views expressed. If I were running a "bus", there would be more
> riders and fewer complainers! Personally, I have *no* problem with
> the people riding the bus as long as they *stay on the bus*. For some
> of them, it's the single most useful thing they can do on RAMD--keep
> the party going! For those of you who don't like "bus" threads--don't
> read them! Apply "preparation K" (a killfile) or just don't click on
> a link to a bus thread. What are you all, people who can't stand the
> idea that someone you don't like is having harmless fun?

WORD to the EEBBUB.

Thank you Dr. Lamb. Would you care for an adult beverage?

-- Catherine

Stuart Rice

unread,
Nov 9, 2001, 2:53:43 PM11/9/01
to
vince...@yahoo.com (Vince Lamb) wrote in message news:<d2659a9f.01110...@posting.google.com>...

Oct. 17, 1995:

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Unlike Stuart, I see a purpose in the light conversation in which the
> majority of posters on this newsgroup engage--community building. The
> fluff that so annoys him includes all the topics that we discussed in
> gym floors, busses, and in and under the back stands at shows when I
> marched and I'm sure are still being discussed in those same places.
> That one can discuss them competently (yes, Stuart, it is possible to
> be a competent gossip or trivia expert--I consider myself to be both!)
> is a sign that one belongs in the junior drum corps community and is
> deserving of respect. It also acts as a social glue that connects
> members of all junior corps together. I believe it serves these same
> two purposes on RAMD--it identifies who really does/did march (or was
> an avid enough fan to be granted honorary status) and gives us a
> common social currency. That the subjects of the conversations are
> light and trivial instead of weighty does not matter--the bonds the
> conversations make between people
> are just as real!
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

For the record, my response, Oct. 19, 1995:

Well said, and I must agree. The only false assumption here, however,
was the first: I do actually see and appreciate a purpose in light
conversation on RAMD. Its just not a purpose I devote a lot of energy
to. However, when this purpose becomes combative, we all suffer.


Stuart E. Rice
ser...@juno.com
www.marchingresearch.com

Mighty Ocelot

unread,
Nov 9, 2001, 3:35:39 PM11/9/01
to
"Stuart Rice" <ser...@juno.com> wrote in message
news:d12adb54.01110...@posting.google.com...

Is my calendar wrong? All we need in the newsgroup is somebody ELSE living
in the past.

Chip Torgerson
ch...@nespy.com


Ron Allard

unread,
Nov 9, 2001, 9:48:16 PM11/9/01
to
Vince Lamb said:

>I wholeheartedly agree. I have *no* problem with "bus" threads and
>even ran the original RAMD "bus", the CyberCorps rehearsals on
>GlobalMUSH, back in 1993-1994. Here's what I wrote in defense of
>socializing on RAMD back in 1995:
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Unlike Stuart, I see a purpose in the light conversation in which the
>majority of posters on this newsgroup engage--community building. The
>fluff that so annoys him includes all the topics that we discussed in
>gym floors, busses, and in and under the back stands at shows when I
>marched and I'm sure are still being discussed in those same places.

If it hadn't been for my off-topic posts, I probably wouldn't have met as many
RAMDers as I have over the past 4 years...
I have made many cyber-friends - and real-life friends - because, I think, of my
attitude here...

>That one can discuss them competently (yes, Stuart, it is possible to
>be a competent gossip or trivia expert--I consider myself to be both!)

You talkin' to ME!?
Heh...

Although I like to have fun as much (or more) as the next guy, I do take Drum
Corps History seriously - and have spent many hours learning more about our
roots through maintaining my web pages...

>is a sign that one belongs in the junior drum corps community and is
>deserving of respect. It also acts as a social glue that connects
>members of all junior corps together. I believe it serves these same
>two purposes on RAMD--it identifies who really does/did march (or was
>an avid enough fan to be granted honorary status) and gives us a
>common social currency. That the subjects of the conversations are
>light and trivial instead of weighty does not matter--the bonds the
>conversations make between people
>are just as real!

And not just junior corpsmen, but senior corpsmen as well...

>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Substitute the name of any one of the people who complain about OT
>threads on RAMD for Stuart's and this passage would work just as well.
>
>IMHO, what upsets people so much about "bus" threads most likely isn't
>the content; it's the people posting.

Wurd...

>RAMD is not fair and lots of what goes on
>here boils down to personality and popularity, not the validity of the
>views expressed.

Well, to a certain extent...
It also boils down to how one comes across to the populace in general...
I have also seen legitimate issues ignored and slammed because the person posing
the view has already shown himself to be an idiot...

> If I were running a "bus", there would be more
>riders and fewer complainers! Personally, I have *no* problem with
>the people riding the bus as long as they *stay on the bus*. For some
>of them, it's the single most useful thing they can do on RAMD--keep
>the party going! For those of you who don't like "bus" threads--don't
>read them! Apply "preparation K" (a killfile) or just don't click on
>a link to a bus thread. What are you all, people who can't stand the
>idea that someone you don't like is having harmless fun?

Yep - although when almost every thread turned into a "bus" thread a bit ago it
made it difficult (and I was as guilty as anyone)...

Hopefully, the "Autumn Doldrums" are almost over and we can get a little more
real drum corps info shared...

>
>And I'd like to read more "war stories" too! The MAV gRAMDie is
>intended for "tales from tour!"

Me, too - as long as the language doesn't get too graphic (for the sake of the
lurkers and youngsters here)...

Good post, Vince...


--
Ron in Vegas
mailto:ron.a...@att.net

"Because there was always something about the Skyliners...
and that music..."
- Donnie Solinger

Senior Corps History site:
http://www.SrCorps.com

0 new messages