Best DCI Snare Line ever
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1- 74 SCV
2- 79 SCV
3- 80 SOA
4- 80 Bridgemen
5- 82 Bridgemen
6- 83 BD
7- 84 BD
8- 84 27th Lancers
9- 86 BD
10- 87 SCV
11-95 cavaliers
12- 97 BD
13- 2000 Cavaliers
I know there's a few lines I left out during the 70's era, but these are
the lines that come to my mind instantly.
I'm probably gonna go with SCV 74 OR 79 with the best snare lines in DCI
ever.
Who's your favorite?
Jamie
Kevin Namaky
they were in and there should be multiple winners. You can't really compare
apples and oranges. What Bridgemen did in the 80's and Star did in 93 are not
really comparable, for example. Both are equally fantastic in their own way.
Kevin
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Chuck Tee Dahl
Chuck Tee Dahl
Just some guy who talks to much
BOY1230
1986 Blue Devils
1991 Vanguard
1994 Blue Devils
1999 Cavaliers
1999 Vanguard
Dan Scerpella
What's the point of having an opinion if you're not going to
cram it down someone's throat?
Vincent Ferrera
execution at prelims?
vf
Scott
They tied with Crossmen in execution at prelims in 78.
jsnare
76 - Blue Devils
75, 78 - Oakland
77 - SCV
79 - North Star
80 - 27th Lancers
SOA and Bayonne (those years, you know)
96 - Phantom
DRUMGUY7683
BOY1230
Jjg5150
Rick and Sue Deschene
>
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> 75, 78 - Oakland
<snip>
Ooooh, wow! Thank you. Nice to see somebody remembers. In 1978, Oakland
no longer had Tom Float, but they still had one fine drum line.
Sue
Rick and Sue Deschene
>
> 1977 Oakland Crusaders--won percussion in pre-lims & didn't make finals.
Yup. What a heartbreaker.
Sue
Thomas L. Brown, Jr.
8 snares with two DCI snare individual champions, another who placed
second (may have won too), another who place third, another who placed
fifth,
and the other three were too busy signing autographs.
Kingsmen - 1972
27th Lancers - 1973
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1980---bayonne.
#'s 1 & 2, on the all time list.
i think they tied the show, but spirit won it due to a higher GE number. i
think.
rd.
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Steve Sorrell
>1980---spirit of atlanta.
>1980---bayonne.
>#'s 1 & 2, on the all time list.
>i think they tied the show, but spirit won it due to a higher GE number. i
>think.
>
>rd.
>
Steve
Shreff1
that everyone picks '74 SCV - I thought the '75 line was better, and I competed
against both. And seeing 1980 Spirit mentioned so many times warms my heart,
as I was in that line too. Let the arguing continue!
By the way, I'd also add 1972 Anaheim, at least at finals.
Terri Dittrich
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Haha, Bob. Young Andy says, "wahoo for Anaheim!" He says, and who was in
that line: Hardimon, Float, Al Murray......
I guess I trained him right.
-Terri
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rd.
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of difficult to judge, but for pure rudimental drumming throughout an
entire field show, I think Santa Clara 74,79 has it hands down.
I just finished watching an old McCormicks enterprise video featuring
SCV's drum line in 1979 (Building the Section) and they were truly
incredible. These guys were marching with slings at that time, and they
were hammering some strong rudimental drumming which is missing in
today's lines.
I've never had a chance to see the Oakland Crusaders drum line, so I
can't really say anything about them at all. I'll most definitely be
looking for footage of that line very soon.
I just turned 31 this past January, so i'm not an old head who loves old
drum lines. I just dig the drumming back in the 70's and 80's more.
My band director got me hooked on drum corps when I was in junior high
school and I haven't looked back since. I thought my chops were great at
that time until he showed me video of SCV's line he personally film for
himself, and my ego was crushed!
I think you can compare the snare lines from twenty five years ago to
today's lines. drum lines are drumlines!
Jamie
JMGrewald
"71" Blue Rock
VKGARRY73
>Haha, Bob. Young Andy says, "wahoo for Anaheim!" He says, and who was in
>that line: Hardimon, Float, Al Murray......
Hardimon and Float, yes. Al wasn't in the line until 74. Others included Gary
Wampler, Bruce Bonney, Terry Walker, Steve Munsey...and one more that won't
come to mind!!!!!
Am I close McDuff?
>I guess I trained him right.
I'd have to agree there!
VKG
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>"71" Blue Rock
>
Yes, I remember Blue Rock. I saw them for the 1st time in
June of 71 in Somerville Mass. Them, 27th, Boston & Sac. I loved the 8 man
snareline--the biggest at that time & I loved American Salute. I miss corps
like that!!!!! That was a Joe Morella line right?
Jason Lowe
SOA 80. :)
Shreff1
Shreff1
what a great motivator - and hilarious - and foul-mouthed guy he was! Very few
people could have handled that line - too much talent, too much experience, too
many know-it-all's (especially me!). And while the video is great, listen to
the original record - the sound is crystal clear, and you could practically
write the snare parts down from listening. But, if anyone's interested, I
still remember EVERY NOTE and will gladly write it all down - for a price...
Fatline
92- SCV
Robert Brown
>what a great motivator - and hilarious - and foul-mouthed guy he was!
Floats vocabulary was hilarious!
Rob
Rick and Sue Deschene
>
> I know trying to compare lines from the 70's to this present day is kind
> of difficult to judge, but for pure rudimental drumming throughout an
> entire field show, I think Santa Clara 74,79 has it hands down.
>
> I just finished watching an old McCormicks enterprise video featuring
> SCV's drum line in 1979 (Building the Section) and they were truly
> incredible. These guys were marching with slings at that time, and they
> were hammering some strong rudimental drumming which is missing in
> today's lines.
>
'70s. (Though "Stone Ground Seven" from 1980 is one of the most amazing
drum solos I've ever heard. Fred Sanford was a genius.) Santa Clara's
lines were so musical, so far ahead of most of the other drum lines of
their time.
> I've never had a chance to see the Oakland Crusaders drum line, so I
> can't really say anything about them at all. I'll most definitely be
> looking for footage of that line very soon.
>
<snip>
Particularly when Tom Float was there, they were phenomenal. Float went
to Spirit of Atlanta in 1978, so you're no doubt familiar with the
impact he had there, and then with Blue Devils, etc.
Sue
Rick and Sue Deschene
>
> Terri wrote:
>
> >Haha, Bob. Young Andy says, "wahoo for Anaheim!" He says, and who was in
> >that line: Hardimon, Float, Al Murray......
>
> Hardimon and Float, yes. Al wasn't in the line until 74. Others included Gary
> Wampler, Bruce Bonney, Terry Walker, Steve Munsey...and one more that won't
> come to mind!!!!!
>
Were all those same folks in the line in '74? I've got the tape of DCI
prelims that year (Thank you, Jodeen!), and that line is just amazing.
The stick tosses they were doing are mind-boggling.
Sue
John Swartz
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> 1977 Oakland Crusaders--won percussion in pre-lims & didn't make finals.
Why Thank you. It did take more than just the snare line to achieve that
though.
They were the best for cleanliness, and still are. If only people could have
seen the shit they could do in the parking lot.
However, if one were to account for a more complex book and cleanliness,
then SCV 79 or 75 would have to get the nod. Had 1980 SCV been as clean as
those other two years, with that book, there would be no question who was
the absolute best.
Regards,
John Swartz
Oakland Crusaders 77-80
John Swartz
>
> I just finished watching an old McCormicks enterprise video featuring
> SCV's drum line in 1979 (Building the Section) and they were truly
> incredible. These guys were marching with slings at that time,
You sure that was the 79 line? There was a video of SCV done at the
University of Michigan in 1974 that focused on the drum line. that's
probably the one you are refering to because everyone was using harnesses by
1979, especially SCV. If the opener is Die Gotterdammerung, it's 74. If it's
Verdi's Requiem, it's 79.
and they
> were hammering some strong rudimental drumming which is missing in
> today's lines.
Another one has noticed!!!! Missing is the understatement of the year.
>
> I've never had a chance to see the Oakland Crusaders drum line, so I
> can't really say anything about them at all. I'll most definitely be
> looking for footage of that line very soon.
None exists commercially that I know of, or I'd have it.. In their infinite
wisdom DCI left us out of the best drumlines video. You used to be able to
order copies of individual performances a few years ago. I don't know if you
still can, I wish I had.
> I think you can compare the snare lines from twenty five years ago to
> today's lines.
You can compare them to lines from 40 years ago too. Drumming is drumming
regrdless of when it takes place.
Rick and Sue Deschene
>
<snip>
> None exists commercially that I know of, or I'd have it.. In their infinite
> wisdom DCI left us out of the best drumlines video. You used to be able to
> order copies of individual performances a few years ago. I don't know if you
> still can, I wish I had.
>
<snip>
What?!! I thought Oakland was on there.
Crap. . . .
Sue
Dan Scerpella
>>
>> Can't leave out the '78 Scouts, eh Dan? 12 snares. And didn't they win
>> execution at prelims?
>>
>> vf
>>
>> Dan Scerpella wrote:
>> >
>> > These opinions are based on overall impressions or raw executions scores?
>> >
>
>
>Scott Kirby wrote > They tied with Crossmen in execution at prelims in 78.
>
>
Really? Ive searched the net for confirmation of this but didnt find 78
prelims recaps. I think DCI.org had them before the re-design. If any body
can direct me to a link I d appreciate it.
Vince, you found me out.
What's the point of having an opinion if you're not going to
cram it down someone's throat?
JMGrewald
I believe that is true!
John
banger3b
privilege of marching with another solid line. I'm a sop player, but, both
of those lines were noticeable to just about anybody.
rd.
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whole. So many of the people who taught me to play, taught me the "game" so to
speak marched in that line (And later taught me at the Jersey Surf)
Brian Ballard
Keith Johnson
72 Kingsmen
73 Blue Stars
74 Kingsmen **
75 Oakland Crusaders **
76 Madison
77 SCV
78 Madison
79 Bridgemen, SCV, Northstar
80 Bridgemen**, SCV**, Spirit**, Crossmen, Northstar, 27th (If you've never
listened to the shows from 1980 you're not a true DC fan)
81 Bridgemen, SCV
82 Bridgemen**
83 Cadets
84 Suncoast Sound
85 Cadets
86 BD, SCV
87 SCV, VK, Star
88 SCV, VK
89 SCV**, Cadets, Star
90 Crossmen, Star
91 Star, SCV, Crossmen
92 I'll let the younger crowd pick the last ten years ...
Those with (**) are extra special snare lines that no snare drummer could
possibly get tired of listening to.
VKGARRY73
>Were all those same folks in the line in '74?
Only five snares in 74: Float, Jim Brokke, Sam Kays, Al Murray and Lance
Kellogg. Don Porter, Jr., wanted a sixth. I won't say who was supposed to be
the sixth. I'll just say that I couldn't wear blue and leave it at that.
Alan Murray
too bad either. We put together that first line after K-Men folded with
Float at Freelnacers and me back home in Can-eh-da eh Duff? We were 3rd that
yesr and if my good friend Bob Cook hadn't dropped his stick on a cymbal
crash in concert we would have been second. That...... was a great line.
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Rick and Sue Deschene
>
> Sue wrote:
>
> >Were all those same folks in the line in '74?
>
> Only five snares in 74: Float, Jim Brokke, Sam Kays, Al Murray and Lance
> Kellogg. Don Porter, Jr., wanted a sixth. I won't say who was supposed to be
> the sixth. I'll just say that I couldn't wear blue and leave it at that.
>
;-)
Sue
Rick and Sue Deschene
>
> That was Dale Lofgren not Lance........................and 75 Oakies weren't
> too bad either. We put together that first line after K-Men folded with
> Float at Freelnacers and me back home in Can-eh-da eh Duff? We were 3rd that
> yesr and if my good friend Bob Cook hadn't dropped his stick on a cymbal
> crash in concert we would have been second. That...... was a great line.
Hoping I can get a tape of that line. I've been told via e-mail that
they were, indeed, featured on the DCI best drumlines video, along with
the '76 line.
Sue
Unknown
Larry McCormick on hand as well, but the line that did the warm-ups
and rehearsal of "Lezghinka" was the '78 line, and then there was a
shot of the Timpani Line rehearsing "Overture for a New Era" which
segued into the Full Corps playing the same section on the Field.
Also, if you remember, the '79 Snareline had 12 members, whereas the
'78 line had 8 or 9, it's obvious in the video that there aren't 12
players there.
Hope that helps.
Rene' Conway
Marching Band Pupuk Kaltim
Indonesia
Snapette's Mom
was cut after the first show for bad behavior, A few shows latter Dennis's knee
was hit under the knee cap by a fellow snare drummers rim as he lifted his drum
after replacing a head just before a show. That injury caused him to miss about 7
shows. Rob Carson was talked back into playing with the line he taught all year.
By mid summer they we're back up to 10 snares strong. In '79 two snares aged out
and 8 remained 4 new ones from around the country, Seattle Cascades, North Star
and a percussion major from the Organ Ducks, + a member from the '77 line moved
back in. Well that's what I've heard.
Snapette's Mom
Alan Murray
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Regimentsnare
redefined what quality of sound means. but i believe most importantly the whole
drumline redefined the role of percussion in the big picture. and for those
that would like to talk about how much notes somebody else played in comparison
i would just offer the argument that "quality creates demand" (Hannum)
92 Star was also amazing. they simply threw down.
95 Phantom is also one of my all time favorites
Rick and Sue Deschene
>
> I have a copy of the video for 75 somewhere............it is awesome.
Currently trying to snag a copy of the best drumlines video. It appears
that Oakland '75 and '76 are on there, after all.
Sue
BOY1230
Geoffrey
J. MacKay
SCV 78, 79
Bayonne 80, 81, 82
BD 83, 84, 85, 86
Sam & Sandra Signorelli
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In article <98jc7p$1s3$1...@news.igs.net>, "J. MacKay" <jma...@ptbo.igs.net>
wrote:
Oh sure, take the easy way out and just list the caption winners from each
year ;)
For me, being a horn guy, I can only really judge by the perc feature and
any exposed segments. That being said, and based solely on that condition,
it's have to be SVC '80. Stone Ground Seven was all the more awesome
considering the equipment of the time. I only heard one noticable muffed
attack (near the end with the keyboards were going up and down the scale).
I'd be tempted to go with '83 Bridgemen, just for the singles at the
beginning, but U couldn;t hear the rest of the line.
On the other end of the scale (and risking getting flamed here), I have to
say that '92 BD was probably the worst line I've ever heard. The lick at
the beginning of the perc feature was sooooooo bad. It was said by a friend
that they played it again in the '94 show just to prove it could be played
cleanly. The '92 line got beat by the Blue Knights, f'Pete's sake!
The best line of the top 4 in '92 was Star. Cavies and Cadets both had some
horrible exposed moments.
Oh well. Shields up.
Sam Signorelli
Then again,
Paulie
-Paul
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Cindi Ventura
Mike Wilson, Lance Romance, Allergy, Float, Ralphie.... see.. the mind
is gone.. who was on the left side?
P.S. The picture is from some parade in Southgate, and is missing
Ralphie..
On Fri, 09 Mar 2001 23:45:17 GMT, "Terri Dittrich"
<terri...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>"Shreff1" <shr...@aol.com> wrote in message
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>> For pure power and technical difficulty, 1976 Cavaliers. And I'm
>surprised
>> that everyone picks '74 SCV - I thought the '75 line was better, and I
>competed
>> against both. And seeing 1980 Spirit mentioned so many times warms my
>heart,
>> as I was in that line too. Let the arguing continue!
>>
>> By the way, I'd also add 1972 Anaheim, at least at finals.
>
>Haha, Bob. Young Andy says, "wahoo for Anaheim!" He says, and who was in
>that line: Hardimon, Float, Al Murray......
>
>I guess I trained him right.
>
>-Terri
>
>>
>
Sambuca312
SAM
VKGARRY73
>who was on the left side?
Wampler's on the far left, with the unit number on his shoulder.
Catherine
> Cindi wrote:
>
> >who was on the left side?
>
> Wampler's on the far left, with the unit number on his shoulder.
>
> VKG
Is anyone else amazed at how young they/we look? Lance had just gone to the
AK from the '71 Diplomats (apologizing to us for doing so but we said, hey,
WE UNDERSTAND!!!).
-- Catherine
Dan Scerpella
>> >
>> > These opinions are based on overall impressions or raw executions scores?
>> >
>> > cram it down someone's throat?
>
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Kirby,
I havent been able to corroborate this and people who were there with me say
your statement is incorrect.
Bet you thought I was going to say whats the point
of having an opinion if you cant cram it down someones throat?
Scott
I'm also looking for some numbers. Maybe Hannum or George can get some
info.
Scott Rogerson Crossmen 75-79
CCinn36633
actually played a book that couldn't be played by an average junior high drum
section.
drumboy
Keith Wilbur
Sorry I did not see the photo, perhaps someone could repost it for me, but
the 72 Anaheim Kingsmen snare line members were Lance Kellog, Bruce Bonney,
Mike Hubbard, Ralph Hardimon, Tom Float, Mike Ellerby, Terry Walker, and
Gary Wampler.
On the field Mike Hubbard and Lance Kellog were on the ends, Gary Wampler
and Bruce Bonney were next, Terry Walker and Mike Ellerby, and then Tom
Float and Ralph Hardimon were in the center. The idea was to put the tallest
members in the center and graduate to the shortest on the outsides. I cannot
remember the exact order from left to right, maybe Ralph or Duffy can help
out....
Keith Wilbur
Anaheim Kingsmen 70, 71, and 72
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> Sorry I did not see the photo, perhaps someone could repost it for me, but
> the 72 Anaheim Kingsmen snare line members were Lance Kellog, Bruce Bonney,
> Mike Hubbard, Ralph Hardimon, Tom Float, Mike Ellerby, Terry Walker, and
> Gary Wampler.
>
> On the field Mike Hubbard and Lance Kellog were on the ends, Gary Wampler
> and Bruce Bonney were next, Terry Walker and Mike Ellerby, and then Tom
> Float and Ralph Hardimon were in the center. The idea was to put the tallest
> members in the center and graduate to the shortest on the outsides. I cannot
> remember the exact order from left to right, maybe Ralph or Duffy can help
> out....
>
> Keith Wilbur
>
> Anaheim Kingsmen 70, 71, and 72
>
Looked cool, for sure:-)
"Hey Cisco, best be gettin' that SHARE VALUE on an upward trend!!"
McPoncho
Nancy
wrote on 3/28/01 9:06 AM:
> Keith Wilbur wrote:
>
Wasn't there a height limit for the Kingsmen then? Seemed like the whole
corps was really tall (then again I was only a single digit number then...)
Nancy