G bugle vs Bb
alma...@talon.net
Rick Clever
Yes. The fingerings are the same. It's the pitches that are different.
Rick
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<alma...@talon.net> wrote in message news:tXV89.3542$tI4.1...@monger.newsread.com...
> Is the fingering the same for a soprano G bugle, Bb trumpet and C coronet?
>
There may be some thumbing involved, eh.
Tchmuzk
on drumz. Love ya rich, but I had to pick on you a little bit!
Joe
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The High Weeble
triggered to engage the four wheel drive. This is why Bb players
found them so confusing.
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Shadow_7
> Bb trumpet and C coronet?
The fingering sequence is the same. However the actual notes that comes
out the bell are different pitches. And how you read music would differ
if you wanted to sound the same notes as a different pitched instrument.
There are missing notes from the sequence for some earlier horns, unless
fingered at a close note and lipped to pitch.
Bugle - no valves
1 valve
1 valve and 1 rotor
2 valve
For example:
000 = Open (no valves down)
100 = 1st valve down
010 = 2nd valve down
110 = 1st and 2nd valves down
001 = 3rd valve down(when available)
101 = 1st and 3rd valves down
011 = 2nd and 3rd valves down
111 = All valves down
When applied to a concert Bb scale:
Bb Trumpet:
000 101 110 100 000 110 010 000
(would apply to G scale on G Soprano)
(would apply to C scale on C Cornet)
G Soprano:
011 100 000 011 100 000 100 010
(would apply to Db scale on Bb Trumpet)
(would apply to Eb scale on C Cornet)
C Cornet:
100 000 101 011 100 000 110 100
(would apply to Ab scale on Bb Trumpet)
(would apply to F scale on G Soprano
All pitches are concert pitches and would relate to the actual pitch
sounded. Not the relative name of the note or placement on the staff if
read from music notation.
Shadow_7
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jake
Catherine
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> I believe that the G bugle has an orbital rotator gear that must be
> triggered to engage the four wheel drive. This is why Bb players
> found them so confusing.
Particularly since you must talk to them nicely...
-- Catherine
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alma...@talon.net
three valve G soprano bugle and I am taking lessons from a trumpet man. The
guy is good he plays everything but we were having trouble with the
fingering on this bugle. Your Bb trumpet scale fingering is what he gave me
and is what I will practice. But the confusing part is that he has me
matching my horn note to the keyboard. Mid C on horn note and keyboard
note. Is that OK?
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Shadow_7
harmony unless you transpose. You can think of the G bugle as a Bb
Trumpet with a stuck 3rd valve(in the down position). In fact when the
corps runs low on bugles they'll often sub a Bb horn with the 3rd valve
down until a bugle can be had, or cuts to the line made. Except for
those brass bands already on Bb horns.
Playing the G bugle will make playing duets and such with a trumpet a
bit troublesome. There's a difference in keys. One or the other is
going to have to transpose. It might also make reading music a bit
rough since you'll be associating different pitches and/or fingerings
with the written note.
Written C on G bugles sounds a concert G. Which will be the G on the
keyboard. A "C" on the keyboard will correspond with your F(1st valve)
on the bugle. On a Bb horn it would be equal to an Eb in fingering and
partial. But will sound a concert C pitch. You will not want to tune
the horn based on anything other than an open fingering. Hopefully on a
partial that is "in tune" to start with.
Your G bugle will sound a perfect 4th below the C cornet. Or a perfect
fifth up and an octave down. Depending on how you want to transpose.
The G bugle will sound a minor third(three halve steps) below the Bb
trumpet. Hopefully this helps and doesn't confuse the issue even more.
The Bb fingering will work on the G bugle, but will sound a concert G
scale. Although it may be written as C to C on the music sheet. Also
note that the overtones line up on the fifth and octaves, so any
fingering for the lower notes will also apply in the upper registers.
Although you may want to choose other alternate fingerings available to
you because of intonation tendencies.
Best of Luck.
Shadow_7
Dr. Trumpet
"Shadow_7" <Shad...@NOSPLAMBoxFrog.com> wrote:
Excellent explanation.
AL
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Shadow_7
No problem. Here's a complete major scale listing of fingerings for
you. Not to worry, you probably aren't going to play the entire range
of the instrument your first time out. It takes a certain amount of
muscle and control which is why we practice and practice a lot.
Fingerings:
000 = open / no valves altered.
100 = 1st valve down
010 = 2nd valve down
110 = 1st + 2nd valve down
001 = 3rd valve down (note: similar to 1st + 2nd although flatter)
101 = 1st + 3rd valve down
011 = 2nd + 3rd valve down
111 = 1st + 2nd + 3rd valves down
Notation for key is as follows (Concert pitch : Written pitch(treble
clef)) and is applicable to the G bugles. In circle of fifths
order(ascending fifths and descending fourths).
(G : C)
000 101 110 100 000 110 010 000 (lower octave)
000 100 000 100 000 110 010 000 (next octave)
(D : G)
101 110 010 000 101 110 010 000 (lower octave)
000 110 010 000 100 000 010 000 (next octave)
(A : D)
101 110 010 000 110 010 110 100 (lower octave)
100 000 010 000 110 010 110 100 (getting kind of high octave)
(note when up high other alternate fingerings may have better intonation
tendencies)
(E : A)
110 010 111 101 110 010 011 110 (lower octave)
110 010 110 100 000 010 011 110 (next octave)
(B : E)
110 010 011 110 010 110 010 000 (mid octave)
(F#/Gb : B)
010 111 011 110 010 011 100 010 (lower octave)
010 110 010 000 010 011 100 010 (next octave)
(C#/Db : F#/Gb)
111 011 100 010 111 011 100 010 (lower octave)
010 011 100 010 110 010 100 010 (next octave)
(G#/Ab : C#/Db)
111 011 100 010 011 100 000 110 (lower octave)
110 010 100 010 011 100 000 110 (next octave)
(D#/Eb : G#/Ab)
011 100 000 111 011 100 000 011 (lower octave)
011 100 000 110 010 100 000 011 (next octave)
(A#/Bb : D#/Eb)
011 100 000 011 100 000 100 010 (lower octave)
(F : A#/Bb)
100 000 101 011 100 000 110 100 (lower octave)
100 000 100 010 100 000 110 100 (next octave)
(C : F)
100 000 110 100 000 100 000 100 (mid octave)
and repeat. Switch the order around and whatever.
Chromatic scale by partial(bottom to top):
(note: pedal register one octave below lower register)
(E : F#/Gb) 111 101 011 110 100 010 000 (G : C)
(G#/Ab : C#/Db) 111 101 011 110 100 010 000(D : G)
(D#/Eb : G#/Ab) 011 110 100 010 000 (G : C)
(G#/Ab : C#/Db) 110 100 010 000 (B : E)
(D#/Eb: F) 100 010 000 (D : G)
(skip this partial because it's really flat) 100 010 000
(D#/Eb : G#/Ab) 011 110 100 010 000 (G : C)
I kind of needed to figure them out myself. Since I have a Kanstul G
Euphonium. I'm gonna eventually want to read music and most of my music
is for Trombone. It would be interesting to play this Euphonium in a
concert band setting. I may have made some mistakes above so don't hold
it to be 100% correct.
Shadow_7
bill turner
piano anyway (since middle C on piano != middle C on trumpet).
-- bill
In article <Z6q99.153047$me6.20318@sccrnsc01>,
Shadow_7
> his notes against a piano anyway (since middle C on
> piano != middle C on trumpet).
>
> -- bill
I would imagine it's the C cornet thing.