Speaking of Lee Rudnicki
Sis
ns787980
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iBHYxrVkco&feature=player_embedded
>
> Jackie
Jackie...
WHO cares?
Sharon
Tony
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iBHYxrVkco&feature=player_embedded
>
> Jackie
Great video! Thanks Lee!!
flu...@msn.com
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iBHYxrVkco&feature=player_embedded
>
> Jackie
Nicely done...:}
ns787980
I'm always interested in you folks that THANK people like Lee. What
SPECIFICALLY makes Lee Rudnicki?
Me? I want to KNOW if HE... MAKES a drum and bugle corps.
Great VIDEO? I just looked at something that COULD be GREAT... but
YOU AND I will NEVER know.
Great VIDEO? Who says?
A...LAWYER...that
TOLD this GENRE... That THEY have no IDEA.
Sharon
Shadow_7
According to current DCA rules, if he's the difference between 34 and 35
members, then yes he does make a drum and bugle corps. Or NOT.
As far as the video, the cadence was a little too fast. Too much in
there for the time alloted. Factor in any air time it might get will
likely clip the first or last 5 or more seconds and it might not come off
as intended on air. Not that it'll ever make the airwaves in my region,
or that it should, until it's held closer to MY home.
> Great VIDEO? I just looked at something that COULD be GREAT... but YOU
> AND I will NEVER know.
Could be great, sure. And yes we'll never know, not this year anyway.
At least not till after the event. And only IF it gets recorded, since
I'm not actually going to be there this year.
Hey a link to my local corps on dcacorps.org, and before a DCA
competitive appearance. That's almost an act of god different than past
years.
Unfortunately DCA weekend is less than three weeks out and I can't even
find a list of performing corps on dcacorps.org for DCA weekend. Not
that that's anything new. Nice to see that the programs are $2 cheaper
this year. But it'd be nice to know who's going to actually be there,
BEFORE the show.
Joe Dz
"Shadow_7" <wwwSh...@NOSPAMyahoo.comNOSPAM> wrote in message
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> As far as the video, the cadence was a little too fast. Too much in
> there for the time alloted. Factor in any air time it might get will
> likely clip the first or last 5 or more seconds and it might not come off
> as intended on air.
Not so.............. 30-second commercials actually run 31 seconds.
60-second commercials can be as long as 1:02 (check out the Super Bowl
top-12)
Not that it'll ever make the airwaves in my region,
> or that it should, until it's held closer to MY home.
>
The commerical could be used as a promo on internet sites as well. It can
reach "new" musically-inclined audience members. An excellent recruiting
tool.
>
> Unfortunately DCA weekend is less than three weeks out and I can't even
> find a list of performing corps on dcacorps.org for DCA weekend. Not
> that that's anything new.
I suspect that the usual top-10 from last year will be defending their
"member" status.
I found the commercial to be artistically appropriate...edited to the beat
of the music.....clips selected to match the audio....and a clear message at
the end for tickets. Now make one with a new ending linking to DCA.org and
let's all spread it in emails and on our own websites.
This a a WINNER, produced by some very dedicated drum corps people.
Thanks for a job well-done!
Joe
Shadow_7
Well on my television / provider, there's often cueing issues. And who
do you think will be the first commercial to take a time hit? Plus a lot
of the regular commercials have 15 second variants. Not that it's bad, I
didn't say it was bad. But it seems like 25 seconds of art, and only 5
seconds of information. Which if only seen once by an alumnus who's been
out of the loop for a decade on the company tv (B&W 11" screen) during
lunch, but the time they even look for a pad of paper, it's already too
late to record the needed information.
Joe Dz
quality control..... They might cram 4 15-sec spots into a minute and
volume jumps, or drops, or even diaappears from commercial to commercial.
The first commercial we (my class) made was for our school's first
homecoming game. We made the 30-sec spot and paid $100, which got us a
BUNCH of spots in five different stations. To my shock, The NY Jets Monday
Night Football game was one of them (the commercial was seen on ABC, but
only on cable and only in our area). The next day at school, I had teachers
and students stopping me in the hall to ask how I (narrater) and "Tech" got
a commercial on Monday Night Football! My reply was that it came "free"
with the time we purchased for an up-coming Super Bowl ad..
As for the phone number, you're right. I super-imposed the phone number for
the homecoming project office on the lower screen for the entire 30-secs.
Then at the end, it got larger as I read the number. It pays to use an
800-number and purchase a number that can easily be remembered..... like
1-800-DCA-ROCH
I still LOVE the DCA commercial....it has value well beyind ticket sales.
Joe
"Shadow_7" <wwwSh...@NOSPAMyahoo.comNOSPAM> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 15 Aug 2009 15:20:59 -0400, Joe Dz wrote:
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>> "Shadow_7" <wwwSh...@NOSPAMyahoo.comNOSPAM> wrote in message
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>
ns787980
> > Me? �I want to KNOW if HE... MAKES a drum and bugle corps.
>
> According to current DCA rules, if he's the difference between 34 and 35
> members, then yes he does make a drum and bugle corps. �Or NOT.
Really? One guy? Really?
>
> As far as the video, the cadence was a little too fast. �Too much in
> there for the time alloted. �Factor in any air time it might get will
> likely clip the first or last 5 or more seconds and it might not come off
> as intended on air. �Not that it'll ever make the airwaves in my region,
> or that it should, until it's held closer to MY home.
HEY... is this YOUR rant or mine?
>
> > Great VIDEO? �I just looked at something that COULD be GREAT... but YOU
> > AND I will NEVER know.
>
> Could be great, sure. �And yes we'll never know, not this year anyway. �
> At least not till after the event. �And only IF it gets recorded, since
> I'm not actually going to be there this year.
>
Please.... think about it.
> Hey a link to my local corps on dcacorps.org, and before a DCA
> competitive appearance. �That's almost an act of god different than past
> years. �
>
> Unfortunately DCA weekend is less than three weeks out and I can't even
> find a list of performing corps on dcacorps.org for DCA weekend. �Not
> that that's anything new. �Nice to see that the programs are $2 cheaper
> this year. �But it'd be nice to know who's going to actually be there,
> BEFORE the show.
Sorry sir!
;)
Sharon
Jazzycat1
bad she doesn't recognize talent. This guy is a great drummer - made
great contributions to drum corps, and continues to today. What does
SHARON for FOR DRUM CORPS? Oh - that's right - NOTHING!
Ick and Yeesh!
Shadow_7
Well it's hard for anything drumcorps to do anything for drumcorps
anymore. Especially when it's so well defined. < 35 members, not a
drumcorps (not including drum major, honor guard, .......) What do those
drumcorps do for drumcorps? They're not doing anything different than
any other corps, and yet there's no score recaps, or media coverage of
some championship for THOSE corps. Twenty years down the road and still
no option to get the recording of said corps because some ASS felt it
necessary to ban them from having anything to do with the medium. With
the common mantra of just recruit. Well if it was that easy, why didn't
you just recruit for us instead of coming up with ways to keeps us out of
the activity because of your prejudices. Hundreds of hours of rehearsal,
hundreds of dollars of dues, years of their lives, and all for NOTHING
under current rules. If 34 people don't count, how could just ONE. And
like all of those alienated people are supposed to feel good about YOUR
prejudices and not complain. Might as well rename the activity to:
SOME-age drumcorps
Since ALL is a little misleading.
Jazzycat1
Shadow_7
> Next time in English - OK?
DCA Sucks?
Or do I need to keep it to 3 letter words?
Big Rich Soprano
Why does DCA suck?
dbriggs
>> DCA Sucks?
>
>
> Why does DCA suck?
here's the background; follow the thread (if possible), paying attn to
the indiv you replied to
http://www.drumcorpsplanet.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=125022
cya
Big Rich Soprano
>here's the background; follow the thread (if possible), paying attn to
>the indiv you replied to
No thanks - i live here not there...
DCAisBeer
drum corps on TV, but when someone else does something, it's never
good enough. Lee Rudnicki pretty much brought drum corps back to life
on the DCA level on the west coast a few years ago. Take a look at all
the alumni and all age corps that have popped up out there, plus the
few smaller DCI corps.He helped starting a trend. Say what you want
about the way he does some things, He's not a savior of the activity,
but he cares and is involved. That says a lot more than some other
people.
the OTHER Mike
After all, she wasn't in the horn line or the drum line, she was in
the.....what do they call those "exta" things ? Aux something. Never
in a drum and bugle corps, just a tag along.
Shadow_7
>>DCA Sucks?
>
>
> Why does DCA suck?
Because DCA abandoned ALL all-age corps with less than 35 members.
Because asking DCA to use a media service that records outdoors and uses
the proper gear to do so is TOO MUCH TO ASK. To give those smaller corps
so much as a score, if ONLY at the regional level is TOO MUCH TO ASK.
Because their PR guy keeps calling me names and telling me to FIND
ANOTHER ACTIVITY. And that's just their PR guy. Shall I go on... and
on .. and on... and ......
The show sponsors wanted it... Just recruit... And other cop outs. In
the end, there's corps that exist that want to compete, but have NO
OPTION in that regard. And this benefits growth how? How long do you
stand in line at the bank until you find some OTHER branch or bank to
handle your needs? At the moment it's cheaper and takes less time to
earn a college degree than to become a part of DCA. And I fail to see
the benefit is such a system. Corps never seen, potential fans never
exposed, recruiting for a goal that no one may ever see. Oh Joy. That's
so much better than how it USED TO BE.
Big Rich Soprano
Here hear!!!
Big Rich Soprano
>Because DCA abandoned ALL all-age corps with less than 35 members.
>Because asking DCA to use a media service that records outdoors and uses
>the proper gear to do so is TOO MUCH TO ASK. To give those smaller corps
>so much as a score, if ONLY at the regional level is TOO MUCH TO ASK.
What happened to A class? Has it been discontinued?
>Because their PR guy keeps calling me names and telling me to FIND
>ANOTHER ACTIVITY. And that's just their PR guy.
Well now THERE ya got me - macrame is a nice hobby hehehe...
>The show sponsors wanted it... Just recruit... And other cop outs. In
>the end, there's corps that exist that want to compete, but have NO
>OPTION in that regard. And this benefits growth how? How long do you
>stand in line at the bank until you find some OTHER branch or bank to
>handle your needs? At the moment it's cheaper and takes less time to
>earn a college degree than to become a part of DCA. And I fail to see
>the benefit is such a system. Corps never seen, potential fans never
>exposed, recruiting for a goal that no one may ever see. Oh Joy. That's
>so much better than how it USED TO BE.
Well i don't see any of what you're eluding to but i'm not able to get
out to shows like you might be. To me, DCA is the last bastion of
Corps left (Xcept for the multi key yamahahaha'sNotGettingTheirCut BS)
so i'll support it when and as long as i can...
Shadow_7
> Lee Rudnicki pretty much brought drum corps back to life on the
> DCA level on the west coast a few years ago. Take a look at all the
> alumni and all age corps that have popped up out there, plus the few
> smaller DCI corps.He helped starting a trend. Say what you want about
> the way he does some things, He's not a savior of the activity, but he
> cares and is involved. That says a lot more than some other people.
I think the trend was set by 9/11 myself. When everyone started waking
up and realizing that there's more to life than a time clock and a
paycheck. And the time to do something about that is now, because
tomorrow might not be an option.
As far as DCA and the west coast, is there a DCA sanctioned show out west
yet? Is there one in Texas which has 4 all-age corps now, not including
the 6 Shriner corps? Plus 3 DCI corps. AFAIK, the closest DCA
sanctioned show to me is roughly 700 miles away. DCA championships are
over 1,700 miles away. I think you're giving Lee too much credit. Not
to say that he hasn't done a lot and contributed positively. But is he
SOLELY responsible for all this growth?
Shadow_7
>>> Why does DCA suck?
>
>
>>Because DCA abandoned ALL all-age corps with less than 35 members.
>>Because asking DCA to use a media service that records outdoors and uses
>>the proper gear to do so is TOO MUCH TO ASK. To give those smaller
>>corps so much as a score, if ONLY at the regional level is TOO MUCH TO
>>ASK.
>
>
> What happened to A class? Has it been discontinued?
>
It has been limited. If you don't have 35 members minimum, NOT including
DRUM MAJORs, HONOR GUARD, and who knows what else, then you're NOT a
Class A corps. Oh, and according to the rules, you have to have that 35
minimum at ALL shows, or else you technically backed out of the show and
can be fined for doing so. And if your 35th person dies on the field, or
in route to the championships, SORRY ABOUT YOUR LUCK, but you don't have
a performance option at DCA anymore. Try again next year, if you dare.
>
>>Because their PR guy keeps calling me names and telling me to FIND
>>ANOTHER ACTIVITY. And that's just their PR guy.
>
>
> Well now THERE ya got me - macrame is a nice hobby hehehe...
>
Lots of hobbies. But what do I do with all of these bugles I purchased?
It's not exactly a good time to be selling things. Given the current
economy and such.
>
>>The show sponsors wanted it... Just recruit... And other cop outs. In
>>the end, there's corps that exist that want to compete, but have NO
>>OPTION in that regard. And this benefits growth how? How long do you
>>stand in line at the bank until you find some OTHER branch or bank to
>>handle your needs? At the moment it's cheaper and takes less time to
>>earn a college degree than to become a part of DCA. And I fail to see
>>the benefit is such a system. Corps never seen, potential fans never
>>exposed, recruiting for a goal that no one may ever see. Oh Joy.
>>That's so much better than how it USED TO BE.
>
>
> Well i don't see any of what you're eluding to but i'm not able to get
> out to shows like you might be. To me, DCA is the last bastion of Corps
> left (Xcept for the multi key yamahahaha'sNotGettingTheirCut BS) so i'll
> support it when and as long as i can...
My first year at DCA was 2004. I went with a corps of roughly 29 members
plus or minus 2. We performed at minicorps with our full corps and took
like an 8 point penalty for being over. We turned around and performed
in Class A the next day. Since 2006, that same corps couldn't perform at
EITHER of those events under current rules. And corps of roughly 30
members is NORMAL for my region. Doing a field show when the bulk of
your season is 100F+ and DCA is a MAYBE is a HARD sell in terms of
recruitment. And since my local corps is over 50% colorguard we can't
NOT do a field show. And what's the point in doing anything if we have
no venue that meets our performance needs? Even one 1,700 miles away.
I keep wanting to equate DCA to a girlfriend. Would you date a girl, who
would never leave her house, thus requiring you to go to her. Who
wouldn't even look at you, unless you paid her (evaluations). Who
wouldn't even talk to you, unless you brought along 34 friends (plus a
few roadies). And then for only one night a year, with a better luck
next year as you leave. If that's the last bastion of drumcorps, then
lord help us.
drum...@aol.com
Sharon, you would be funnier if you were coherent and a little less
paranoid. Lighten up, buttercup ... enjoy life, it's far too short to
be an angry lunatic all the time.
To those of you who checked out the DCA commercial, thank you -
hopefully, it will get some new fans into the seats this year.
drum...@aol.com
Also, for the person who suggested that Crunchy Frog should have been
in the commercial -- enjoy ...
:)
Sis
But can you beat this commercial for DCI Christian Drum and Bugle Corps?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hNrIKPt
Jackie
Sis
Joe Dz
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:)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haGjM4857KU
That was one of the most professional, tasteful, passionate yet humble,
exciting yet poignant, powerful yet soulful, Hells-Kitchen-of-West Coast
pieces of.............. pieces of..............pieces of.......Art I've ever
seen. Thank you so much, Lee.
Joe on the east coast (5 miles from Post 199)
Shadow_7
> the commercial -- enjoy ...
>
> :)
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haGjM4857KU
But if the commercial is to promote DCA, shouldn't it include groups that
are "allowed" to perform at DCA?
Jazzycat1
Give it up - it's done
Big Rich Soprano
>It has been limited. If you don't have 35 members minimum, NOT including
>DRUM MAJORs, HONOR GUARD, and who knows what else, then you're NOT a
>Class A corps. Oh, and according to the rules, you have to have that 35
>minimum at ALL shows, or else you technically backed out of the show and
>can be fined for doing so. And if your 35th person dies on the field, or
>in route to the championships, SORRY ABOUT YOUR LUCK, but you don't have
>a performance option at DCA anymore. Try again next year, if you dare.
Oh! Not good! Sorry, i didn't know. Larry Hirscman (sp) (i believe)
tried to limit us (Reading) from competing because we didn't have 30
or more members but we got on anyway...
>>>Because their PR guy keeps calling me names and telling me to FIND
>>>ANOTHER ACTIVITY. And that's just their PR guy.
>> Well now THERE ya got me - macrame is a nice hobby hehehe...
>Lots of hobbies. But what do I do with all of these bugles I purchased?
>It's not exactly a good time to be selling things. Given the current
>economy and such.
I was only kidding, i would not want you or anyone here to leave the
activity...
>> Well i don't see any of what you're eluding to but i'm not able to get
>> out to shows like you might be. To me, DCA is the last bastion of Corps
>> left (Xcept for the multi key yamahahaha'sNotGettingTheirCut BS) so i'll
>> support it when and as long as i can...
>My first year at DCA was 2004. I went with a corps of roughly 29 members
>plus or minus 2. We performed at minicorps with our full corps and took
>like an 8 point penalty for being over. We turned around and performed
>in Class A the next day. Since 2006, that same corps couldn't perform at
>EITHER of those events under current rules. And corps of roughly 30
>members is NORMAL for my region. Doing a field show when the bulk of
>your season is 100F+ and DCA is a MAYBE is a HARD sell in terms of
>recruitment. And since my local corps is over 50% colorguard we can't
>NOT do a field show. And what's the point in doing anything if we have
>no venue that meets our performance needs? Even one 1,700 miles away.
I wonder if Arena Corps ala the Japanese methods would be an answer?
Now before any of you jump on me YES, this is a marching band but the
venue is the important thing here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZz3rpJZCMM
>I keep wanting to equate DCA to a girlfriend. Would you date a girl, who
>would never leave her house, thus requiring you to go to her. Who
>wouldn't even look at you, unless you paid her (evaluations). Who
>wouldn't even talk to you, unless you brought along 34 friends (plus a
>few roadies). And then for only one night a year, with a better luck
>next year as you leave. If that's the last bastion of drumcorps, then
>lord help us.
Hmm... sounds like Rachel - oops, wrong meeting... To answer your
question correctly - no, i wouldn't! She'd be on the last train
home!.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sq5oqY3-vhg (Great tune - has
nothing to do with the subject but i love it!..)
Big Rich Soprano
>hopefully, it will get some new fans into the seats this year.
Nice work Lee!!!
Big Rich Soprano
>> are "allowed" to perform at DCA?
>Give it up - it's done
sad to say Shadow - he's right if only for this year. Maybe we can
start a write in campaign or petition for next year...
ns787980
> On Aug 14, 9:25�pm, ns787980 <sharca...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 15, 12:00 am, Tony <sunrise...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Aug 14, 11:47 pm, Sis <siste...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iBHYxrVkco&feature=player_embedded
>
> > > > Jackie
>
> > > Great video! Thanks Lee!!
>
> > I'm always interested in you folks that THANK people like Lee. �What
> > SPECIFICALLY makes Lee Rudnicki?
>
> > Me? �I want to KNOW if HE... MAKES a drum and bugle corps.
>
> > Great VIDEO? �I just looked at something that COULD be GREAT... but
> > YOU AND I will NEVER know.
>
> > Great VIDEO? �Who says?
>
> > A...LAWYER...that
>
> > TOLD this GENRE... That THEY have no IDEA.
>
> > Sharon
>
> Sharon, you would be funnier if you were coherent and a little less
> paranoid. �Lighten up, buttercup ... enjoy life, it's far too short to
> be an angry lunatic all the time.
>
Oh LOOK! Mr Rudnicki has DEIGNED to be a part of a newsgroup that he
made it his business that it wasn't HIS to be part of. Made it
perfectly clear.
Shit... he was HOLLERING AND STAMPING HIS FEET. here.
Mr Rudnicki?
I don't give a fuck what YOU think and what YOU say. IMHO? You USE
people and would be the FIRST person that I would say is possibly ANTI
-drum corps.
Sharon
Jeromeybush
bloop
ns787980
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> - Show quoted text -
Oh look! The folks that ABANDONED this newsgroup are suddenly VERY
interested in responding. Very interesting.
Coming out of the woodworks. Commenting CAUSE YA CAN..
Too bad that the groups YOU control CAN'T do the same.
Make the SAME assertions on YOUR groups... YOU would be RUN OUT OF
TOWN.
Turns out... they ALL come back to RAMD to get their AGGRESSION out.
Can't take IT over THERE... Boys?
As my sister-in-law would say... SERIOUSLY...
Sharon
ns787980
>
> - Show quoted text -
I'll say it again.
Folks like Lee Rudnicki ... dis-respect the GENRE.
Sharon
PS: Just look at HIS hissy fit.. THAT LAST TIME he took a hissy fit?
Don't get WHY it's appropriate... UNLESS it means that RAMD will RALLY
around!
ns787980
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 15, 12:00 am, Tony <sunrise...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Aug 14, 11:47 pm, Sis <siste...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iBHYxrVkco&feature=player_embedded
>
> > > > Jackie
>
> > > Great video! Thanks Lee!!
>
> > I'm always interested in you folks that THANK people like Lee. �What
> > SPECIFICALLY makes Lee Rudnicki?
>
> > Me? �I want to KNOW if HE... MAKES a drum and bugle corps.
>
> > Great VIDEO? �I just looked at something that COULD be GREAT... but
> > YOU AND I will NEVER know.
>
> > Great VIDEO? �Who says?
>
> > A...LAWYER...that
>
> > TOLD this GENRE... That THEY have no IDEA.
>
> > Sharon
>
> Sharon, you would be funnier if you were coherent and a little less
> paranoid. �Lighten up, buttercup ... enjoy life, it's far too short to
> be an angry lunatic all the time.
>
Mr Rudnicki?
I'm fine with what I write.
What's YOUR problem?
And HOW are YOU going to make THAT right?
Seriously... What is WRONG?
Sharon
flu...@msn.com
How obsessed do you have to be to reply to yourself five weeks later?
Even you don't give a rats ass what you say. How sad is that?
George
ns787980
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> - Show quoted text
Because it's perfect! I'll take every chance I can to rile up the
assholes that ruined RAMD. Hell I've even tried to rile up Vince Lamb
on Facebook with his r'e"diculous attempt to reconnect with people
connected to North Star.
His ego (perpetuated HERE) wouldn't allow him to even DEIGN to come to
ANY reunion... and NOW he wants to say something to people that
accepted his participation... no questions asked? Damn right I'm
going to question... again and again and again. What motivates
assholes.
I will ask what Mr Rudnicki has to say on this newsgroup FIVE WEEKS
later if I think that it will benefit RAMD to know that THAT guy is an
ASSHOLE.
Just so YOU know.
And personally? I don't give a shit about what YOU think. I care
about what I think about you assholes out to ruin a GOOD thing. You
FUCKS care about YOUR reputations. I know that because of how people
like YOU treated people on this newsgroup.
Lee Rudnicki USED this group. Ahd he KNEW when his usefulness to THIS
group dried up.
And people like YOU protect THAT? That guy ABANDONED people like you
like a USED TOOL.
Good luck protecting that FUCK. He's useless. He abandoned folks
like you that kept at it here.
Sharon
flu...@msn.com
Make that six weeks...;]
Shadow_7
> THIS group dried up.
usenet / nntp has been dropped by a lot of ISPs. So yes, this group
dried up. Not to mention that you have to have basic technical prowess
just to get here (as a poster). Or someone to set that up for you.
Which like DCA will only digress over time as attrition reduces the
ranks. And the high costs of entry reduces the chances of the opposite
happening.
It used to NOT costs $1K just to have a performance opportunity at
someone else's show. At least not payable to the show sponsor. Bus,
hotel, tolls, .... sure, but the show sponsor too? That's like having to
pay $20 every time you get up to sing karaoke. Even after paying the
cover charge.
Jazzycat1
I'd like to order some cheese to go with the Whine please!
Charlie Groh
...it's the same in DCI, only masked behind *DCI* housing fees,
ticketing costs and such. The "World Class" corps make a nice piece
of change for moving from show to show (2 to 3k!) so at least they can
*kinda* make ends meet...OTOH, the smaller groups don't generate the
crowds, and thusly end up with a pittance in the end. Show sponsors
pay large money to DCI to put on a show...Large. See, *that's* the
deal; if you don't have a money-generating product you are SOL. Sound
like how our society operates? When all is said and done, very few
drum corps *make* money, it's a constant juggling act between
equipment, instruction, design and moving the group, not to mention
administration...most groups start-up and alot of those costs are
handled in-house, like the one I helped found out here, Impulse. We
tried to be competitive and succeeded in *that* endeavor, only to have
quite a few burn-outs (of which I am one!), thankfully tho, they're
on the road to some fund-raising enlightenment, so maybe the corps
will come out of the mom and pop era...so much of the activity on that
level is heart, and hearts are there to be broken, if not simply
wearing out. Then it becomes "...four legs good, two legs better."
($10 to George Orwell).
Trot out the cheese, Jazzy!
cg
Shadow_7
Your used cheese sales pitch needs some working on. Meanwhile, what else
would I be doing? competing? Or just continue to do everything that DCA
(or DCI) should be doing? Only to be left wondering why DCA or DCI, if
WE'RE doing everything they offer ourselves ALREADY.
It would be nice to have a tangible goal, instead of just existing. I
can play pipes and compete. I can play in a brass band and compete. I
can even spell words and compete. Or compete against 5th graders on
music television. But I CAN'T do the same in drum and bugle corps?
WTF? That's like going to WalMart and being told that you're not allowed
to actually buy anything. (although that does seem to happen a lot these
days when the power(or network) is out and there is no way to do business
without the aide of a computer)
Take out the mom and pops and growth is impossible. I know DCA doesn't
want to grow at the moment. But when there's only 8 corps going for 10
finalists spots, I'm sure they'll change their mind. Meanwhile 2005 was
DCAs best competitive turnout. It's been pretty much downhill from
there. And DCA 2006 was the best they had to offer me. Until such time
as I am allowed to compete again and have a reason to return.
Charlie Groh
...no, apparently, but it's still up to YOU! There are *many*
organizations that limit competitors' numbers...you have to have a
certain number of kids to participate in Pop Warner Football, or, to
cite a less numbers-driven activity, cheer leading groups...what's
your cutoff, Mr. Shadow? Should it be ONE! Could one person
designate him or herself a drum and bugle corps and be able to
compete? Two ('cause it'd be nice to have both a drum and a bugle!)?
Where's *your* cutoff? The point here is that if there is NOT a
minimum, alot of people's time gets wasted...figure it out, man.
Get a fooking grip.
>WTF? That's like going to WalMart and being told that you're not allowed
>to actually buy anything. (although that does seem to happen a lot these
>days when the power(or network) is out and there is no way to do business
>without the aide of a computer)
>
>Take out the mom and pops and growth is impossible. I know DCA doesn't
>want to grow at the moment.
...and how do you "know" this?
< But when there's only 8 corps going for 10
>finalists spots, I'm sure they'll change their mind. Meanwhile 2005 was
>DCAs best competitive turnout. It's been pretty much downhill from
>there.
Maybe you ought to go to confirm your suppositions...you are full of
crap, this year's competition was absolutely the best I've seen, and I
haven't missed since '02...the "A" class alone is wonderful, and you
see the home town Cru not making finals along with a Bitchin' (and I
mean BITCHIN') Music City Legend...yeah, you are out of it on a number
of levels.
> And DCA 2006 was the best they had to offer me. Until such time
>as I am allowed to compete again and have a reason to return.
...your history precedes you...your experience is so limited you
really can't see the forest for the trees. JMHO. It seems you are so
intent on this numbers problem (which is absolutely solvable!) you
miss what's right there in front of you...the corps. I don't think
you really enjoy the activity for what it is...in my case the first
time I heard a drumcorps I was hooked...that built-in attitude
precludes me from boycotting, and insures that I'll play by the rules
so I can perform, or, lacking a vehicle, BE A FAN.
cg
Shadow_7
Based purely on stats (number of corps).
>
>
>> And DCA 2006 was the best they had to offer me. Until such time
>>as I am allowed to compete again and have a reason to return.
>
> ...your history precedes you...your experience is so limited you really
> can't see the forest for the trees. JMHO. It seems you are so intent
> on this numbers problem (which is absolutely solvable!) you miss what's
> right there in front of you...the corps. I don't think you really enjoy
> the activity for what it is...in my case the first time I heard a
> drumcorps I was hooked...that built-in attitude precludes me from
> boycotting, and insures that I'll play by the rules so I can perform,
> or, lacking a vehicle, BE A FAN.
>
> cg
Be a fan? The nearest DCA show is 700 miles out because of the rules.
Kind of hard to just be a fan. It USED TO BE less than 200 miles. Is it
solvable. Sure. But 30+ horns don't grow on trees, it takes time to
raise dues money to make those purchases. DCA evaluations and entrance
fees being relatively stiff costs a corps a horn or two per year per
instance. Not exactly as easily solved as you might suggest.
Based on established categories, 22 would be more applicable. It's not
like future corps was ever 150 members. Or even 50 for that matter. Or
even 30. The Army Bands are limited to 40, or were. And that includes
commander, and a couple extra buglers for taps. Leaving them less than
35 on almost all gigs. Cheerleaders? Name one professional cheerleader
ensemble that performs with a minimum of 35 people at all shows in a
given season? Football is what 12 offensive players, and 12 defensive
minimum? Basketball? Can you even fit 35 players per team on a single
court? Soccer? I know the field is kind of big, but 35 per team,
probably not.
As far as what makes a drumcorps? It's not like we've ever had 30 part
harmony in our arrangements. Baring the old bugles that needed two horns/
players to make one part. 4+2+3+4 at best, so 13 horns, 3 drums, 2
guard. Although many arrangements seem to be 8 parts or less. I haven't
exactly boycotted. It just happens that circumstances + rules means no
DCA or DCI for me. It's not like these corps WANT to be small. Given
half a chance, they'll grow. But if you've been cut off at the knees
before you ever get to reach for the door knob.
As far as wasting peoples time? What's the bigger waste? A 15 minute
show by a small corps? Or an entire year (or three or more) of not
fitting the mold? At last check, the judges were PAID, so why not let
them EARN their keep? It's not like it's any cheaper to be in a small
corps than a big one. By all accounts, it actually costs more. And what
do you get for your efforts? Call me when you're bigger?
Of course I can't see the forest for the trees. Some arses built a
friggen wall in front of both. Solvable yes, anyone got a jackhammer?
Or are we left to build our own forest on our side of that wall?
Charlie Groh
<wwwSh...@NOSPAMyahoo.comNOSPAM> wrote:
...it's not hard to answer my query's/comments as they come up. Mama
never said it'd be easy...if she did, she lied. I've been involved
in, or very close to a number of startups...I actually know what I'm
talking about.
>
>Based on established categories, 22 would be more applicable. It's not
>like future corps was ever 150 members. Or even 50 for that matter. Or
>even 30. The Army Bands are limited to 40, or were. And that includes
>commander, and a couple extra buglers for taps. Leaving them less than
>35 on almost all gigs. Cheerleaders? Name one professional cheerleader
>ensemble that performs with a minimum of 35 people at all shows in a
>given season? Football is what 12 offensive players, and 12 defensive
>minimum? Basketball? Can you even fit 35 players per team on a single
>court? Soccer? I know the field is kind of big, but 35 per team,
>probably not.
...my point is/was that there are quite a few activities with
membership limits/restrictions...and as a adjunct of that, many people
aren't able to participate. Understand? You ain't the only oar in
the boat.
>
>As far as what makes a drumcorps? It's not like we've ever had 30 part
>harmony in our arrangements. Baring the old bugles that needed two horns/
>players to make one part. 4+2+3+4 at best, so 13 horns, 3 drums, 2
>guard. Although many arrangements seem to be 8 parts or less. I haven't
>exactly boycotted. It just happens that circumstances + rules means no
>DCA or DCI for me. It's not like these corps WANT to be small. Given
>half a chance, they'll grow. But if you've been cut off at the knees
>before you ever get to reach for the door knob.
>
I asked you a question: What's your bottom line. Put a number on it.
>As far as wasting peoples time? What's the bigger waste? A 15 minute
>show by a small corps? Or an entire year (or three or more) of not
>fitting the mold? At last check, the judges were PAID, so why not let
>them EARN their keep? It's not like it's any cheaper to be in a small
>corps than a big one. By all accounts, it actually costs more. And what
>do you get for your efforts? Call me when you're bigger?
There is such a thing as a paying audience...they must come into
consideration...in our society people pay for *product* and even
afficiandos won't sit through a bunch of tiny drum corps (well, THEY
might, along with mom and dad)...but my question still remains: What's
your bottom line? Put a number on it.
>
>Of course I can't see the forest for the trees. Some arses built a
>friggen wall in front of both. Solvable yes, anyone got a jackhammer?
>Or are we left to build our own forest on our side of that wall?
...then build your own, baby. Get into the SDCA or create your own
association...you think you've got problems starting a
drumcorps...LOL...
cg
Sis
I sure would much rather see a small drum corps then the high school and
out of this country bands that I've seen as fillers in drum corps shows.
Jackie
Shadow_7
minicorps. As far as other groups having minimums, sure, but they
INCLUDE every player for said MINIMUMs. DCAs number is not only high,
but it excludes the Drum Major, the Honor Guard, and many other
performing members.
Not to belittle your experience, BUT not all of us live in a
megalopolis. I live in Jarrell, a small town of 450 people. Pretty much
the only internet hit for it is for an F5 twister that leveled the town
just over a decade ago. And some reference about beating Corn Hill out
for a location of where the railway was heading.
I grew up in Riverside, California, a small town for that region of just
a 209,000-ish. Something like 238,000-ish last time I passed through
town a decade plus after leaving California. When I left California, I
ended up in Columbus, Georgia. The 3rd largest city for that state of
roughly 150,000.
Drumcorps being a NICHE activity, has a very low draw percentage wise.
Over 50 states in the union, and not even enough DCA competitive corps
"numbers wise" to cover 50% of those states, IF each corps hailed from a
singular state. But it's just a number, all you need i less than 1% of
your cities population. Well, you know if I could sell a product to less
than 1% of the population of china, I'd be a MULTI-millionaire. Even if
I was only making cents per unit sold.
Charlie Groh
...well, sure, but that isn't the thrust of what I'm saying, Sis. Do
you get that?
cg
Charlie Groh
I wasn't referring to drumcorps as a money-making monster, Mr. Shadow;
you continue to not see what I'm getting at, or ignore it. Now that
you've put a number on it, pretend for a moment that you are running
the body responsible for providing venues and shows...in essence you
*are* the association. I've got a group with 20 members...do you
stick to your number? Do I get to perform?
You see where I'm going? DCA (or DCI) is not your enemy, if anything
your demographic *is*...
cg
Stu
> It would be nice to have a tangible goal, instead of just existing. I
> can play pipes and compete. I can play in a brass band and compete. I
> can even spell words and compete. Or compete against 5th graders on
> music television. But I CAN'T do the same in drum and bugle corps?
> WTF? That's like going to WalMart and being told that you're not allowed
> to actually buy anything. (although that does seem to happen a lot these
> days when the power(or network) is out and there is no way to do business
> without the aide of a computer).
I agree. The problem is that drum corps is non-reductionist. Its
instrumentation is all or nothing (which makes for some pretty tedious
arrangements). As if fighting is dropping an atomic bomb every time.
As if going shopping means buying the entire store. As if friendship
means finding the biggest crowd of people within 100 miles.
How are all these uniforms (speaking of cheese), all these kids, all
these miles, all this money, all of these rule changes, promoting drum
corps? They're not, and they haven't been since DCI's inception.
We're teaching kids they can't be successful - or express drum corps -
without 100+ people spending their summer on the road for a puny 10-
minute work.
Reverse it. Let's have 10 people express a 100+ minute work without
leaving town.
Stuart E. Rice
www.marchingresearch.com
Charlie Groh
wrote:
>On Oct 15, 7:42�am, Shadow_7 <wwwShad...@NOSPAMyahoo.comNOSPAM> wrote:
>
>> It would be nice to have a tangible goal, instead of just existing. �I
>> can play pipes and compete. �I can play in a brass band and compete. �I
>> can even spell words and compete. �Or compete against 5th graders on
>> music television. �But I CAN'T do the same in drum and bugle corps? �
>> WTF? �That's like going to WalMart and being told that you're not allowed
>> to actually buy anything. �(although that does seem to happen a lot these
>> days when the power(or network) is out and there is no way to do business
>> without the aide of a computer).
>
>I agree. The problem is that drum corps is non-reductionist. Its
>instrumentation is all or nothing (which makes for some pretty tedious
>arrangements). As if fighting is dropping an atomic bomb every time.
>As if going shopping means buying the entire store. As if friendship
>means finding the biggest crowd of people within 100 miles.
...you're just using Mr.Shadow as a springboard for your agenda here,
Stuart...
>
>How are all these uniforms (speaking of cheese), all these kids, all
>these miles, all this money, all of these rule changes, promoting drum
>corps? They're not, and they haven't been since DCI's inception.
>We're teaching kids they can't be successful - or express drum corps -
>without 100+ people spending their summer on the road for a puny 10-
>minute work.
...this I agree with...although the "teaching kids..." sub-section is
not really true. Kids who are participating in drumcorps at the level
it is now are getting a *great* experience, and there are plenty who
are in smaller groups both in DCI and DCA who don't learn your take on
"what is successful," either...I get your meaning, tho...
>
>Reverse it. Let's have 10 people express a 100+ minute work without
>leaving town.
This would be great. All that's necessary is organization...heh.
cg
>
>
>Stuart E. Rice
>www.marchingresearch.com
Jazzycat1
>
> Your used cheese sales pitch needs some working on.
Nonsense! Cheese always goes well with a good Whine!
Shadow_7
> your number? Do I get to perform?
Yes, of course. It's called minicorps. And how it USED TO BE. Unlike
now where you can have 35, but since only 34 count, your only option is
minicorps, IF you leave 1/3rd of your corps at home to make that happen.
And end up being one of the first 20 post marks. And for your trouble,
you only get one score at one show all year long.
You're not getting what I'm saying. Amateur, Volunteer, 501(c)3, non-
profit. I shouldn't even be arguing this, it shouldn't be an issue. The
activity isn't big enough to warrant leaving 1/2 of your entire genre OUT
IN THE COLD. Population control at the DCA championship weekend I could
understand, not that I'd agree. But EVERY show in EVERY region without
regards for the *demographics* of said regions. WTF? As big of an ASS I
as could have ever have hoped to be... I just can't compete against
those types. Figuratively, metaphorically, and literally.
Shadow_7
>> Your used cheese sales pitch needs some working on.
>
>
> Nonsense! Cheese always goes well with a good Whine!
You're the expert.
Charlie Groh
<wwwSh...@NOSPAMyahoo.comNOSPAM> wrote:
>> I've got a group with 20 members...do you stick to
>> your number? Do I get to perform?
>
>Yes, of course. It's called minicorps. And how it USED TO BE. Unlike
>now where you can have 35, but since only 34 count, your only option is
>minicorps, IF you leave 1/3rd of your corps at home to make that happen.
>And end up being one of the first 20 post marks. And for your trouble,
>you only get one score at one show all year long.
...well, now I'm scratching my head, why don't you compete in
minicorps again?
>
>You're not getting what I'm saying. Amateur, Volunteer, 501(c)3, non-
>profit. I shouldn't even be arguing this, it shouldn't be an issue. The
>activity isn't big enough to warrant leaving 1/2 of your entire genre OUT
>IN THE COLD. Population control at the DCA championship weekend I could
>understand, not that I'd agree. But EVERY show in EVERY region without
>regards for the *demographics* of said regions. WTF? As big of an ASS I
>as could have ever have hoped to be... I just can't compete against
>those types. Figuratively, metaphorically, and literally.
*I* get what you are saying...*you* just need to adhere to a rule
implemented by a governing body...or, like Stuart says, keep it at
home and perform. Pretty simple on the face of it...
cg
ns787980
> On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18:15:27 -0700, ns787980 wrote:
> > THIS group dried up.
>
> usenet / nntp has been dropped by a lot of ISPs. �So yes, this group
> dried up. �Not to mention that you have to have basic technical prowess
> just to get here (as a poster). �Or someone to set that up for you. �
> Which like DCA will only digress over time as attrition reduces the
> ranks. �And the high costs of entry reduces the chances of the opposite
> happening.
Shadow... can't comment on ISP's being dropped. But I use the easiest
of access to the internet with AOL... and I don't have a problem with
ISPs Google solves all.
I'm sorry... I have absolutely no technical knowledge when it comes to
computers... but I'm not stupid. I can't help but wonder about you
persons that have the technical knowledge. Like the rest of us
haven't got any common sense. YEESH!
Also? DCA decided it's fate the moment it became ALL AGE.
It became second choice of an 15 to 22 year old.
As a 19 year old that CHOSE to become a DCA participant? I'm not only
offended, but it's been made perfectly clear that DCA isn't what it
projects it's circuit to be.
Sharon
PS: Thanks to it's current administration
ns787980
Really?
What a freaking douche bag.
Sharon
ns787980
Seen that.
Sharon
flu...@msn.com
> On Oct 13, 4:23 am, Shadow_7 <wwwShad...@NOSPAMyahoo.comNOSPAM> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18:15:27 -0700, ns787980 wrote:
> > > THIS group dried up.
>
> > usenet / nntp has been dropped by a lot of ISPs. So yes, this group
> > dried up. Not to mention that you have to have basic technical prowess
> > just to get here (as a poster). Or someone to set that up for you.
> > Which like DCA will only digress over time as attrition reduces the
> > ranks. And the high costs of entry reduces the chances of the opposite
> > happening.
>
> Shadow... can't comment on ISP's being dropped. But I use the easiest
> of access to the internet with AOL... and I don't have a problem with
> ISPs Google solves all.
>
> I'm sorry... I have absolutely no technical knowledge when it comes to
> computers... but I'm not stupid. I can't help but wonder about you
> persons that have the technical knowledge. Like the rest of us
> haven't got any common sense. YEESH!
>
> Also? DCA decided it's fate the moment it became ALL AGE.
Yes they did...good move.
>
> It became second choice of an 15 to 22 year old.
and many others of ALL ages...it's always been that way...just more so
now.
>
> As a 19 year old that CHOSE to become a DCA participant? I'm not only
> offended, but it's been made perfectly clear that DCA isn't what it
> projects it's circuit to be.
Yes it is...just like when your 19 year old ass joined...it's for ALL
ages.
>
> Sharon
>
> PS: Thanks to it's current administration
Ditto...many thanks Gilly...
George;}
ns787980
> On Oct 16, 10:43�pm, ns787980 <sharca...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 13, 4:23 am, Shadow_7 <wwwShad...@NOSPAMyahoo.comNOSPAM> wrote:
>
> > > On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18:15:27 -0700, ns787980 wrote:
> > > > THIS group dried up.
>
> > > usenet / nntp has been dropped by a lot of ISPs. So yes, this group
> > > dried up. Not to mention that you have to have basic technical prowess
> > > just to get here (as a poster). Or someone to set that up for you.
> > > Which like DCA will only digress over time as attrition reduces the
> > > ranks. And the high costs of entry reduces the chances of the opposite
> > > happening.
>
> > Shadow... can't comment on ISP's being dropped. �But I use the easiest
> > of access to the internet with AOL... and I don't have a problem with
> > ISPs �Google solves all.
>
> > I'm sorry... I have absolutely no technical knowledge when it comes to
> > computers... but I'm not stupid. �I can't help but wonder about you
> > persons that have the technical knowledge. �Like the rest of us
> > haven't got any common sense. �YEESH!
>
> > Also? �DCA decided it's fate the moment it became ALL AGE.
>
> Yes they did...good move.
Really?
Too bad IMHO... the circuit was weakend by those that were accepted
into DCA because they COULDN'T make a DCI corps.
>
>
>
> > It became second choice of an 15 to 22 year old.
>
> and many others of ALL ages...it's always been that way...just more so
> now.
Typically... DCA should be a circuit of choice... NOT - SECOND CHOICE.
>
>
>
> > As a 19 year old that CHOSE to become a DCA participant? �I'm not only
> > offended, but it's been made perfectly clear that DCA isn't what it
> > projects it's circuit to be.
>
> Yes it is...just like when your 19 year old ass joined...it's for ALL
> ages.
JACKASS... I joined a circuit because I was READY to become a DCA
participant AT MY AGE... Not because it was SECOND CHOICE. JACKASS.
Sharon
PS: You don't GET it. I know that because people like YOU never were
involved in the dynamics. YOU have your little circle of friends that
have never have been part of DCI (or DCA for that matter). You
haven't done both.. YOU don't know the difference.
>
>
>
> > Sharon
>
> > PS: �Thanks to it's current administration
>
> Ditto...many thanks Gilly...
> George;}
IMHO? The downfall of DCA will be contributed to Gil. I think that
his short-sightedness to curry an ALL AGE circuit means that anyone
with an age over 21 won't be considered. EVER.
I find that short-sightedness... a negative.
I haven't spoken to A person that has participated in DCI willing to
cross over to DCA. It's a circuit that's willing to take DCI's
REJECTS.
OR... a certain sect looking for it's GLORY DAYS.
I find that offensive.
Instead of competing within the rules at the stated time... DCA is
encouraging rejects of DCI and corps looking for it's glory days.
And YES... that is Gil Silvas PROBLEM,
Charlie Groh
wrote:
>On Oct 16, 11:16?pm, "flu...@msn.com" <flu...@msn.com> wrote:
>> On Oct 16, 10:43?pm, ns787980 <sharca...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Oct 13, 4:23 am, Shadow_7 <wwwShad...@NOSPAMyahoo.comNOSPAM> wrote:
>>
>> > > On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18:15:27 -0700, ns787980 wrote:
>> > > > THIS group dried up.
>>
>> > > usenet / nntp has been dropped by a lot of ISPs. So yes, this group
>> > > dried up. Not to mention that you have to have basic technical prowess
>> > > just to get here (as a poster). Or someone to set that up for you.
>> > > Which like DCA will only digress over time as attrition reduces the
>> > > ranks. And the high costs of entry reduces the chances of the opposite
>> > > happening.
>>
>> > Shadow... can't comment on ISP's being dropped. ?But I use the easiest
>> > of access to the internet with AOL... and I don't have a problem with
>> > ISPs ?Google solves all.
>>
>> > I'm sorry... I have absolutely no technical knowledge when it comes to
>> > computers... but I'm not stupid. ?I can't help but wonder about you
>> > persons that have the technical knowledge. ?Like the rest of us
>> > haven't got any common sense. ?YEESH!
>>
>> > Also? ?DCA decided it's fate the moment it became ALL AGE.
>>
>> Yes they did...good move.
>
>Really?
>
>Too bad IMHO... the circuit was weakend by those that were accepted
>into DCA because they COULDN'T make a DCI corps.
Just *who* are "those?" People? Corps? Are newer groups like Music
City Legend or Dream from SoCal not good enough for your idea of DCA?
Or are the people just not good enough? Do you consider Renegades one
of those that shouldn't be in your party ('cause if they are, then
you're discounting a hundred or two DCI championship rings)?
What's the big deal, Sharon? Junior corps have been able to beat the
crap out of seniors, execution-wise, since *I* marched! Seniors were
the GE kings and made that their standard...bravo!
>
>>
>>
>>
>> > It became second choice of an 15 to 22 year old.
Maybe, just maybe, it's a FIRST choice, Sharon.
>>
>> and many others of ALL ages...it's always been that way...just more so
>> now.
>
>Typically... DCA should be a circuit of choice... NOT - SECOND CHOICE.
...it's DIFFERENT, Sharon. DCA is based on the concept of working
people being able to participate...the corps do not, *cannot*,
practice as much as a DCI corps. That's the "choice" and it's not a
first OR second...it's an option taken when time, or money!, are heavy
considerations. You obviously have an ax to grind, why get so down on
a bunch of people enjoying the heck out of what they're doing? The
audience too! Are all these people, who are LOVING what they are
doing, so much dog meat to the mighty Sharon?
cg
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>> > As a 19 year old that CHOSE to become a DCA participant? ?I'm not only
>> > offended, but it's been made perfectly clear that DCA isn't what it
>> > projects it's circuit to be.
>>
>> Yes it is...just like when your 19 year old ass joined...it's for ALL
>> ages.
>
>JACKASS... I joined a circuit because I was READY to become a DCA
>participant AT MY AGE... Not because it was SECOND CHOICE. JACKASS.
>
>Sharon
>
>PS: You don't GET it. I know that because people like YOU never were
>involved in the dynamics. YOU have your little circle of friends that
>have never have been part of DCI (or DCA for that matter). You
>haven't done both.. YOU don't know the difference.
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>> > Sharon
>>
>> > PS: ?Thanks to it's current administration
Shadow_7
> On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:01:53 -0500, Shadow_7
> <wwwSh...@NOSPAMyahoo.comNOSPAM> wrote:
>
>>> I've got a group with 20 members...do you stick to your number? Do I
>>> get to perform?
>>
>>Yes, of course. It's called minicorps. And how it USED TO BE. Unlike
>>now where you can have 35, but since only 34 count, your only option is
>>minicorps, IF you leave 1/3rd of your corps at home to make that happen.
>>And end up being one of the first 20 post marks. And for your trouble,
>>you only get one score at one show all year long.
>
> ...well, now I'm scratching my head, why don't you compete in minicorps
> again?
Because the STAGE isn't big enough for a color guard. Not to mention the
complete redesign in show concept. And for my local corps the guard is
2/3rd's of the corps. Leaving them home, means we don't even meet the
minicorps minimum (11). Don't get me wrong, one of the best colorguards
in the business. It's just a shame that you'll never get to see that.
>>You're not getting what I'm saying. Amateur, Volunteer, 501(c)3, non-
>>profit. I shouldn't even be arguing this, it shouldn't be an issue.
>>The activity isn't big enough to warrant leaving 1/2 of your entire
>>genre OUT IN THE COLD. Population control at the DCA championship
>>weekend I could understand, not that I'd agree. But EVERY show in EVERY
>>region without regards for the *demographics* of said regions. WTF? As
>>big of an ASS I as could have ever have hoped to be... I just can't
>>compete against those types. Figuratively, metaphorically, and
>>literally.
>
> *I* get what you are saying...*you* just need to adhere to a rule
> implemented by a governing body...or, like Stuart says, keep it at home
> and perform. Pretty simple on the face of it...
>
> cg
And you're not getting what I'm saying. If there is no *destination*,
why bother doing this stuff at all? For our own amusement? Spending
hundreds of hours and hundreds of dollars so we can show mom and pop how
good we are? It's not like we're doing anything different than any other
corps. We're just not as big as *you'd* like us to be.
flu...@msn.com
> On Oct 16, 11:16 pm, "flu...@msn.com" <flu...@msn.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Oct 16, 10:43 pm, ns787980 <sharca...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Oct 13, 4:23 am, Shadow_7 <wwwShad...@NOSPAMyahoo.comNOSPAM> wrote:
>
> > > > On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18:15:27 -0700, ns787980 wrote:
> > > > > THIS group dried up.
>
> > > > usenet / nntp has been dropped by a lot of ISPs. So yes, this group
> > > > dried up. Not to mention that you have to have basic technical prowess
> > > > just to get here (as a poster). Or someone to set that up for you.
> > > > Which like DCA will only digress over time as attrition reduces the
> > > > ranks. And the high costs of entry reduces the chances of the opposite
> > > > happening.
>
> > > Shadow... can't comment on ISP's being dropped. But I use the easiest
> > > of access to the internet with AOL... and I don't have a problem with
> > > ISPs Google solves all.
>
> > > I'm sorry... I have absolutely no technical knowledge when it comes to
> > > computers... but I'm not stupid. I can't help but wonder about you
> > > persons that have the technical knowledge. Like the rest of us
> > > haven't got any common sense. YEESH!
>
> > > Also? DCA decided it's fate the moment it became ALL AGE.
>
> > Yes they did...good move.
>
> Really?
YES really...do I stutter?
>
> Too bad IMHO... the circuit was weakend by those that were accepted
> into DCA because they COULDN'T make a DCI corps.
How do you know that?...just another useless opinion.
>
>
>
> > > It became second choice of an 15 to 22 year old.
>
> > and many others of ALL ages...it's always been that way...just more so
> > now.
>
> Typically... DCA should be a circuit of choice... NOT - SECOND CHOICE.
What does this have to do with the price of beans?
>
>
>
> > > As a 19 year old that CHOSE to become a DCA participant? I'm not only
> > > offended, but it's been made perfectly clear that DCA isn't what it
> > > projects it's circuit to be.
>
> > Yes it is...just like when your 19 year old ass joined...it's for ALL
> > ages.
>
> JACKASS... I joined a circuit because I was READY to become a DCA
> participant AT MY AGE... Not because it was SECOND CHOICE. JACKASS.
Well what makes you so different...most of the people who join DCA ARE
ready...Oh yea I forgot...when we've done what you've done then we've
done something....blah...blah...blah...same old shit.
>
> Sharon
>
> PS: You don't GET it. I know that because people like YOU never were
> involved in the dynamics. YOU have your little circle of friends that
> have never have been part of DCI (or DCA for that matter). You
> haven't done both.. YOU don't know the difference.
Yes I have dumb-ass many more years than you did moron. 11 years in JR
and 14 years in SR/all age corps. You know drunk-ass...just cause you
dribble letters onto the page...doesn't make them true. Sober
up...grow up...and wake up. OR GFYS...either way works for me.
>
>
> > > Sharon
>
> > > PS: Thanks to it's current administration
>
> > Ditto...many thanks Gilly...
> > George;}
>
> IMHO? The downfall of DCA will be contributed to Gil. I think that
> his short-sightedness to curry an ALL AGE circuit means that anyone
> with an age over 21 won't be considered. EVER.
That just another stupid statement...IT IS ALL ages dumb-ass. Even the
people over 21...
>
> I find that short-sightedness... a negative.
It's your mantra...
>
> I haven't spoken to A person that has participated in DCI willing to
> cross over to DCA. It's a circuit that's willing to take DCI's
> REJECTS.
Bull shit...I know lots of people who have done both even YOU and me
dumb-ass...again you spew your lies...just cause you have no friends
and or know so few people than you have no reference (which doesn't
stop the motor mouth) doesn't make it true.
>
> OR... a certain sect looking for it's GLORY DAYS.
>
> I find that offensive.
WTF are you babbling about...?
>
> Instead of competing within the rules at the stated time... DCA is
> encouraging rejects of DCI and corps looking for it's glory days.
The rules have always excepted all ages...so again you're just full of
shit...what's new?
Rejects...you couldn't shine their shoes has-been.
>
> And YES... that is Gil Silvas PROBLEM,
I don't see a problem...but then again I have a brain that still
works...get yours fixed.
George
Charlie Groh
Of course I get what you are saying (he says again), you state your
situation and feelings clearly, what is it that makes you think
otherwise?...dude, I don't give a hoot how big you are, I'm working
with facts. If you want to play you have to adhere to the rules, OR
somehow get them changed. That's it. To my way of thinking, if I'm
in your position I stop griping and start working my ass off
attracting membership...AFA destination, lots of people, me included
on occasion, just play together for the helluvit...what a concept.
Shit man, teach some of those great CG people of yours to
PLAY...jeeze...
cgt
Shadow_7
> situation and feelings clearly, what is it that makes you think
> otherwise?...dude, I don't give a hoot how big you are, I'm working with
> facts. If you want to play you have to adhere to the rules, OR somehow
> get them changed. That's it. To my way of thinking, if I'm in your
> position I stop griping and start working my ass off attracting
> membership...AFA destination, lots of people, me included on occasion,
> just play together for the helluvit...what a concept. Shit man, teach
> some of those great CG people of yours to PLAY...jeeze...
>
> cgt
Even if I did all that EXTRA work. (again isn't DCA supposed to be doing
something). DCA is still a TBA under current rules. I have little
control over 34+ others. and a year / season is a long time period. Even
if you have the 35, if you only 34 on game day, SOL. So DCA is TBA until
about 36 hours AFTER it actually happens. IF IT EVER HAPPENS. Not a
good formula for GROWTH. Locking corps out, means you'll lose old corps
quicker than you'll gain new ones. That's the reality of your POV and
the current rules. 15 Open class competitors in 2005, 13 in 2009, 11 in
2013, 9 in 2017, 7 in 2021, ....... But hey they're YOUR rules.
Charlie Groh
...no, they are *your* rules if you wanna play. I certainly didn't
make 'em up, but if I did I'd go with 30, which worked well for DCI
when I was on the II/III Advisory Committee. I'm all for growth and
well into the kid business where I think it all resides (it's great
that adults get to participate and all, but I truly want the kids who
have never done drum corps to *be able* to do it...so a bunch of
adults crabbing about this and that really is low on my importance
list...but, hey, I gotta have fun too! ;0). You just need to figure
it out...how to make whatever it is you want to do doable.
cg
Jim Blansett
You guys ever get the feeling you're talking past one another, rather
than to? I certainly have with this
back-and-forth-with-no-apparent-resolution-in-sight.
Jazzycat1
>
> - Show quoted text -
Sharon, I always love being called names by a dried up menopausal
drunk woman. Please call me some more names!
Charlie Groh
...well, yes! Hey, James, you and I started a drum corps from little
or nothing and look at what a legend it became, eh? Heh, and we for
dam sure weren't into no steenking competition, either!!! Glad you
jumped in...actually that was pretty much my final comment...Mr.
Shadow needs to figure it out if he wants to play in the sandbox, or
not.
And now it's off to be a bando!
cg
Jim Blansett
<chas...@dslextremerage.com> wrote:
I'm gonna watch the "Tide" roll. But I could be a bando, too, under
the right conditions. ;-)
Shadow_7
> either!!!
I'm not really into it either, but it sure would be a nice option.
Having rules that effectively has drum corps competitions where only 2
out of 7 corps get a score is just lame. Nothing really to do with the
show sponsors or the corps involved. And everything to do with how DCA
does business.
And I wanna have fun to. Recruiting, fund raising, seeding a corps with
my assets and other things are not much fun. Especially when you can't
even get a score for your trouble. At some point it would be nice to
pick up a bugle again and play. Without having to travel 200+ miles
every time that I want to do that. Technically I could do the many miles
thing today. But if someone (DCA) can't be bothered to take pictures,
line the field, or record a video/audio package that actually represents
the same quality as the product why bother? I could spend less money on
a six pack of beer everyday for a year and get that same basic end
result. With the exception of a warm fuzzy at seasons end, which DCA
sorely lacks.
Sis
Stop!
Stop right there!
Jackie
Sis
Gaah-ross!
Jackie
Sis
If Charlie jumped off a bridge with a tuba would you?
Jackie
Charlie Groh
...hehehehe...in one of my bands the flutes have a T-shirt that says
"Rocks with Feet" ('cause that's how I described their upper bodys one
day...)...they *are* badass and funny, 'specially when they "go to the
box"...the way these guys move would put most of the corps *we*
marched in to shame!
cg
Sis
But they'd still be playing band instruments and sounding like shit.
Jackie
Charlie Groh
...they sound like flutes and march their behinds off...since I
once-upon-a-time was *in* a HS band, teaching them is a thrill. In
fact, Sis, the early VK was composed of many "bandos" who could
actually read music! What a concept! Now, don't get me wrong, the
reason we were there for the most part was for the *sound* we produced
and the fact we tried to do things in a together manner, quite unlike
most of the HS bands in the area at the time. The fact that drum
corps was *so* good, and produced great musicians and performers and
many, MANY, modern band directors shouldn't be lost on you. "We have
met the enemy and he is us." ($10 to Pogo)...The bands in this area
are hyper competitive and you'd be dammed surprised at the shows they
produce...heck, there's some huge and ballsy hornlines out here in the
bands, and many a fine drumline and many a fine color guard...shoot,
what's a few "other" instruments...the whole thing is a gas, courtesy
of you and me and all the kids who marched in the 60's and 70's! No,
it isn't drum corps, 'cause that's a *look* that can only be produced
by straight bell-front instruments...yes, it is an amalgum...yes it is
*high school kids* having the time of their young lives getting a
taste of what we have/had...I just love it, it's a shame you reject
it.
cg
Sis
I'm sorry I reject it, Charlie. It's not because I don't like kids or I
don't like you. It's not because I don't like the work that they put
into it. It's just that in my opinion, dress it up any way you want to,
the sound irritates me. The rabble behind me in the seats at shows
non-stop distracting me from watching drum corps irritates me. The fact
that they think they are DCI irritates me. (Take a look on Flickr or
You-Tube, put in the search word DCI and see how much band stuff you
have to wade through). I have seen some really brassy high school bands
that ain't too bad. To them I say, hey, you're a pretty damn good
sounding high school band, good for you. Just because many of the same
people who write for, have marched in, or teach drum corps have marched
in, write and teach for bands doesn't make bands either drum corps or
acceptable as a substitute to me, sorry.
Love ya, you bando. And don't worry, you are in the majority in your
opinion with the current structure of DCI administration, rank and file,
you're not stepping out on a limb there. I'm the one with the uphill
battle!
Jackie
Jim Blansett
>Charlie Groh wrote:
<snipped for brevity>
You go, Sis(yphus)!
Ahh, time for trombone practice. ;-)
Sis
Jim Blansett
I'd be interested in how they set that shot up.
Charlie Groh
I hear you, Jackie...some things just don't change very easily...I
teach so what I say is pretty no-brainer...and from the kid-busines
point of viiew...that's all..
>
>Love ya, you bando. And don't worry, you are in the majority in your
>opinion with the current structure of DCI administration, rank and file,
>you're not stepping out on a limb there. I'm the one with the uphill
>battle!
Aw, I love you too! But I think you're letting your dismay over the
state of DCI color your thinking...people in the stands are just that,
people...and some are pretty rude (heck, *I* have to watch it when at
a show, 'cause I'll "run a tape" while a groups' performing...so stop
me already!)...I don't know, but we can agree the Alumni activity is
kickass, eh?!
cg
>
>Jackie
Charlie Groh
...and me for a TUBA (well, as soon as I can con Zig outa one, that
is...;0) ...don't know if I'll *ever* learn all them ledger
lines...sheesh...dude, you should check his contra-bass
trombone...3/4" *slide* tubing! Duwayne is back workin'...heh...
When you comin' out for a visit!?
cg
Jim Blansett
January 2011.
ns787980
Let's see.
When you competed in the 11 years that you did. Which circuit? I
hope that it was Eastern Mass... but I doubt it. You didn't mention
it... You just called me a name.
Let's see.
When you competed for 14 YEARS! in the SENIOR circuit. Shit weren't
you envious of corps that were more progessive than YOURS?
I always KNEW that JEALOSY... was pretty prevasive around here.
Don't you HATE it when someone has pretty much eclipsed YOUR
contribution TO drum and bugle corps?
Sharon
PS: To have someone just sell YOU out as a participant... Isn't that
OBNOXIOUS????
PPS: Been there and DONE THAT with the OBNOXIOUS.
> George- Hide quoted text -
ns787980
>
> - Show quoted text -
That ain't right.
Sharon
ns787980
>
> > On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18:15:27 -0700, ns787980 wrote:
> > > THIS group dried up.
>
> > usenet / nntp has been dropped by a lot of ISPs. �So yes, this group
> > dried up. �Not to mention that you have to have basic technical prowess
> > just to get here (as a poster). �Or someone to set that up for you. �
> > Which like DCA will only digress over time as attrition reduces the
> > ranks. �And the high costs of entry reduces the chances of the opposite
> > happening.
>
> > someone else's show. �At least not payable to the show sponsor. �Bus,
> > hotel, tolls, .... sure, but the show sponsor too? �That's like having to
> > pay $20 every time you get up to sing karaoke. �Even after paying the
> > cover charge.
>
> I'd like to order some cheese to go with the Whine please!
And THAT is what is wrong with RAMD... and I'll NOT become a member of
a ANOTHER GROUP... so that YOU people CAN propose that this group
WHINES.
YOU don't have either the IT! And you NEVER have.
Sharon
ns787980
Oh please..
If DCA has to contend with persons like YOU? What I've read?
Too bad that it's people like YOU that will CONTROL dca.
Sharon
Shadow_7
Did you even read ANY of that post. What's a DCA? It seemed to have
gone extinct three years ago for me. And many are still not sure if 2006
even existed in the first place.
flu...@msn.com
I marched in the Northeast...mayflower...Yankee...Eastern Mass...as
well as others. What's your point Jackass? Oh yeah...when I've marched
where you've marched then I'll have marched somewhere...
I did march where you marched...just a whole lot longer...;}
>
> Let's see.
>
> When you competed for 14 YEARS! in the SENIOR circuit. Shit weren't
> you envious of corps that were more progessive than YOURS?
Never met one who was....Hurricanes never follow the crowd...we have
our own approach. That's why we still have a DC to speak of.
and it's progressive dumb-ass
>
> I always KNEW that JEALOSY... was pretty prevasive around here.
Did you mean pervasive jealousy? Do you really think ANYONE is jealous
of you. You really are a pompous self absorbed asswhipe aren't
ya...;}
>
> Don't you HATE it when someone has pretty much eclipsed YOUR
> contribution TO drum and bugle corps?
No...but are saying once again that your experience is more important,
better, greater...than mine or ANYONE else's? You say that a lot...
>
> Sharon
>
> PS: To have someone just sell YOU out as a participant... Isn't that
> OBNOXIOUS????
Yes and you should stop doing it as it makes you look naive and self
centered.
>
> PPS: Been there and DONE THAT with the OBNOXIOUS.
YOU are obnoxious....
flu...@msn.com
WTF is "IT" ...Wow...;}
George
>
> Sharon
Jazzycat1
>
> - Show quoted text -
You obviously know all about wine - or whatever screw-top alcohol you
slam down by the gallon before you visit RAMD. Really- try the Cheese!
It will help With the hangover!
ns787980
Mayflower and Yankee? Was THAT your stomping grounds? Couldn't have
been Eastern Mass. Being a member of the corps that lost MOST in THAT
circuit myself... I would have thought that YOU would claim YOUR
place.. just to call me a name.
You're just someone that THINKS they can RUN the rest of US out of
here... I think people like YOU are full of shit.
I can guarantee YOU... I'm good. I think people like YOU make it
IMPOSSIBLE for anyone ELSE that wants to write... HERE.
>
>
>
> > Let's see.
>
> > When you competed for 14 YEARS! in the SENIOR circuit. �Shit weren't
> > you envious of corps that were more progessive than YOURS?
>
> Never met one who was....Hurricanes never follow the crowd...we have
> our own approach. That's why we still have a DC to speak of.
> and it's progressive dumb-ass
Not because of the corps. DUMB-ASS.. that was because of THE
COLORGUARD. Well... SHIT... WHERE HAVE I HEARD THAT BEFORE? Wasn't
the HURRICANES.
Face it... the HURRICANES survived because of it's kick-ass
colorguard. Certainly not the players. And man don't I KNOW IT.
Been there and DONE that! Even though my participation didn't get
credit for it. BY YOU.
>
>
>
> > I always KNEW that JEALOSY... was pretty prevasive around here.
>
> Did you mean pervasive jealousy? Do you really think ANYONE is jealous
> of you. You really are a pompous self absorbed asswhipe aren't
> ya...;}
Again... this JACK ASS... is picking on an r before an e! Says it all
in my opinion.
Here is a pompous self absorbed comment... IT'S "ASSWIPE" not
asswhipe.
;]
>
>
>
> > Don't you HATE it when someone has pretty much eclipsed YOUR
> > contribution TO drum and bugle corps?
>
> No...but are saying once again that your experience is more important,
> better, greater...than mine or ANYONE else's? You say that a lot...
I'm saying nothing of the kind "asswipe". I'm saying that people like
YOU think that YOU can BULLY? Nope... I say that YOU can't. I'm just
saying that people like YOU make this newsgroup look silly. I think
YOU have a compex.
>
>
>
> > Sharon
>
> > PS: �To have someone just sell YOU out as a participant... Isn't that
> > OBNOXIOUS????
>
> Yes and you should stop doing it as it makes you look naive and self
> centered.
Nah... I just made people like you on RAMD that think THEY are... look
stupid.
>
>
>
> > PPS: �Been there and DONE THAT with the OBNOXIOUS.
>
> YOU are obnoxious....
YES I AM. If it weren't for people like ME? People like YOU would
perpetuate wrongdoing. LIKE I SPOKE ABOUT FROM THE BEGINNING OF THIS
THREAD.
Sharon
flu...@msn.com
I performed all over the East coast...that's what you get to do when
your corps is good enough.
>
> You're just someone that THINKS they can RUN the rest of US out of
> here... I think people like YOU are full of shit.
Ditto and who is the rest of us?
>
> I can guarantee YOU... I'm good. I think people like YOU make it
> IMPOSSIBLE for anyone ELSE that wants to write... HERE.
Like who? Name one other person other than you and your girl friend
C.Burr...;}
>
>
>
> > > Let's see.
>
> > > When you competed for 14 YEARS! in the SENIOR circuit. Shit weren't
> > > you envious of corps that were more progessive than YOURS?
>
> > Never met one who was....Hurricanes never follow the crowd...we have
> > our own approach. That's why we still have a DC to speak of.
> > and it's progressive dumb-ass
>
> Not because of the corps. DUMB-ASS.. that was because of THE
> COLORGUARD. Well... SHIT... WHERE HAVE I HEARD THAT BEFORE? Wasn't
> the HURRICANES.
WTF do you mean?
>
> Face it... the HURRICANES survived because of it's kick-ass
> colorguard. Certainly not the players. And man don't I KNOW IT.
> Been there and DONE that! Even though my participation didn't get
> credit for it. BY YOU.
I'll let the thousands of horns and drummers who marched Hurricanes
over the last 60 years that you think their experience didn't count.
THIS is exactly what I'm talking about...you pompous ass...;] In the
name of all our alumni "GFYS"
>
>
>
> > > I always KNEW that JEALOSY... was pretty prevasive around here.
>
> > Did you mean pervasive jealousy? Do you really think ANYONE is jealous
> > of you. You really are a pompous self absorbed asswhipe aren't
> > ya...;}
>
> Again... this JACK ASS... is picking on an r before an e! Says it all
> in my opinion.
WELL YOU ALSO FORGOT THE "U" IN JEALOuSY
>
> Here is a pompous self absorbed comment... IT'S "ASSWIPE" not
> asswhipe.
Wow thanks for the clarification Miss Burr... I'm sure "EVERYONE" will
understand... But it's Ass-wipe...dumb-ass
>
> ;]
>
>
>
> > > Don't you HATE it when someone has pretty much eclipsed YOUR
> > > contribution TO drum and bugle corps?
>
> > No...but are saying once again that your experience is more important,
> > better, greater...than mine or ANYONE else's? You say that a lot...
>
> I'm saying nothing of the kind "asswipe".
YES you are...you just said it again above...
I'm saying that people like
> YOU think that YOU can BULLY? Nope... I say that YOU can't. I'm just
> saying that people like YOU make this newsgroup look silly.
Irony meter blows up...again.
I think
> YOU have a compex.
It's complex dumb ass also look up "projecting".
>
>
>
> > > Sharon
>
> > > PS: To have someone just sell YOU out as a participant... Isn't that
> > > OBNOXIOUS????
>
> > Yes and you should stop doing it as it makes you look naive and self
> > centered.
>
> Nah... I just made people like you on RAMD that think THEY are... look
> stupid.
Are what? and stupid is as stupid writes...;}
>
>
>
> > > PPS: Been there and DONE THAT with the OBNOXIOUS.
>
> > YOU are obnoxious....
>
> YES I AM. If it weren't for people like ME? People like YOU would
> perpetuate wrongdoing. LIKE I SPOKE ABOUT FROM THE BEGINNING OF THIS
> THREAD.
Wrong doing? If toying with you is wrong...I don't wannabe right.
>
> Sharon
Shadow_7
>
> I performed all over the East coast...that's what you get to do when
> your corps is good enough.
>
That's what you get when you're allowed to do so. Unfortunately todays
rendition of drumcorps is about not allowing corps to do so, even some
good ones. Your loss. Meanwhile a drumcorps competitive circuit that
USED TO exist now doesn't have ANY competitions in state. And no
competitions in states that border this state. And I think only ONE
competition in states that border the states that border this state.
Which covers about 50% of the continental US at that point. Or in short
my SHORTEST tour is 700 miles, how about yours?
And if you want to get technical I've toured all over the midwest AND the
east coast. Although it depends on how you define toured. Since the bus
starts in the midwest and we don't get to get off until we've gone
through MOST of the east coast to get anywhere with a drumcorps
"competition". And it depends on the time frame in question. Since my
Jr. Days were on the West Coast, with tours that ventured into Canada and
other places. Both west Canada and east Canada. I'll put my miles
against your miles. The east coast is small potatoes, compared to the
rest of the country. We've got individual cities that cover more miles
than some of your east coast states. Not to burst your bubble or
anything.
flu...@msn.com
> On Sun, 01 Nov 2009 19:19:14 -0800, flu...@msn.com wrote:
>
> > I performed all over the East coast...that's what you get to do when
> > your corps is good enough.
>
> That's what you get when you're allowed to do so. Unfortunately todays
> rendition of drumcorps is about not allowing corps to do so, even some
> good ones. Your loss.
Not my loss or my problem.
I really don't care...;}
Meanwhile a drumcorps competitive circuit that
> USED TO exist now doesn't have ANY competitions in state. And no
> competitions in states that border this state. And I think only ONE
> competition in states that border the states that border this state.
> Which covers about 50% of the continental US at that point. Or in short
> my SHORTEST tour is 700 miles, how about yours?
Not sure what you mean? Are you whining about where you live again?
MOVE...
>
> And if you want to get technical I've toured all over the midwest AND the
> east coast.
Me too...
Although it depends on how you define toured. Since the bus
> starts in the midwest and we don't get to get off until we've gone
> through MOST of the east coast to get anywhere with a drumcorps
> "competition".
My experience was different (like I'm trying to explain to the other
idiot Sharon)
And it depends on the time frame in question.
YES it does...good for you.
Since my
> Jr. Days were on the West Coast, with tours that ventured into Canada and
> other places. Both west Canada and east Canada. I'll put my miles
> against your miles.
Well then you might be wrong...as I also marched with the Freelancers
for two years. We toured the north, south, east and of course the
west. Go to corpsrep.com and see for yourself also see The Emerald
Cadets from 72 to 76 and SAC from 77-78. Then get back to me with your
apology...
You will also find lots of DC shows on the east coast if you look...
The east coast is small potatoes, compared to the
> rest of the country. We've got individual cities that cover more miles
> than some of your east coast states.
But it takes a lot longer to get around back here, with traffic and
all...so it all evens out.
Not to burst your bubble or
> anything.
You couldn't do that if you tried...I already live in the "real
world"...how 'bout you?
George