California Band Question
W. S
Does California have a competition that is considered THE
competition? Look at Indiana, they have their ISSMA stuff...........
Sultanwrd
it depends on what circut your band competes on.. i think that in SCSBOA its
Tournament of Champions, in WSMBC its probably state finals....
Jori Alesi
Mission Viejo High School
Marching Band 94-
Drumline 94-
Orchestra 94-
Wind Ensemble 97-
air...@jcs2.jcstate.edu
In article <63uaql$k29$1...@newsd-121.bryant.webtv.net>, dori...@webtv.net (W. S) writes:
> Does California have a competition that is considered THE
>competition? Look at Indiana, they have their ISSMA stuff...........
Well, if you are curious about an official state championships, California
does not have one. However, the WSMBC Championships is probably the
closest any circuit will get to an actual state championships that involves
the north, the south, and the central of California (and other western
states, as well).
In southern California, there is the SCSBOA (Southern California School
Band and Orchestra Association), which is very large and competitive
amongst the southern California high school marching bands. Occasionally,
there will be a band from northern California, Nevada, or Arizona. I
remember that one band actually came from Idaho for a competition once
(Vallevue High School). The SCSBOA Championships is known as the
Tournament of Champions. However, since the departure of the band review
portion of the tournament (it used to be a combined field show and band review
tournament until 1992) in 1993, there is speculation to whether the
Tournament of Champions is actually the SCSBOA Championships. Every
powerhouse high school marching band from the San Diego area backed out
of the Tournament of Champions in 1994, and began competing in what is
considered by some, the "new" Tournament of Champions: The Arcadia
Festival of Bands. This high school marching band tournament is one of
the oldest in the state of California. With over forty years on tradition,
this band review competition recently became a field show tournament as
well, and even more recently a combined band review and field show
tournament. In 1996, some of the toughest competitors came to fight for
the championship. The competition was fierce, with bands such as Thousand
Oaks High School, Mt. Carmel High School, Rancho Bernardo High School,
Etiwanda High School, Rubidoux High School, Vista High School, Poway High
School, and many others competing.
In northern, central, and southern California (most recently), there is
the WSMBC (Western Scholastic Marching Band Conference). This circuit is
the most widely know in the central and northern parts of California. In
southern California, the WSMBC is just starting to become more recognized.
There is an extreme amount of competitiveness in this field show based
circuit. With competition from Clovis West High School (considered the
best high school marching band in all of California), Fred C. Beyer High
School, James Logan High School, and Mission Viejo High School (the WSMBC
powerhouse of the south), and a few more notable units, this circuit is
gaining more speed every year with an increased amount of competitiveness
resulting from the linkage of southern California.
In the northern part of California, there is the NCBA (Northern California
Band Association). I am not too familiar with the circuit, but I know
that it combines the band review with the field show at some competitions,
which seems similar to the SCSBOA. The powerhouse NCBA high school bands
that I can think of at the moment are Foothill High School, Fairfield High
School, and Mountain View High School.
As you can see, there are a variety of high school marching band circuits
in the state of California. There can be much arguement over which circuit
is actually the best. There are some negative and positive aspects
to each one. Right now, I think that the circuit that involves most of
the state, at the moment, is the WSMBC.
Alan Irons
Fountain Valley High School Marching Band 1993-1996
Pacific Crest of Diamond Bar 1997
Jersey City State College
Jersey City, NJ
George
W. S wrote:
> Does California have a competition that is considered THE
> competition? Look at Indiana, they have their ISSMA stuff...........
THE COMPETITIONS, in my opinion, are, in chronological order, are:
The Chino Band Review and Field Show Competition
The Arcadia High School Band R. and FST
And the mother of all of them, Tournament of Champions
They're all invites, and the best bands in California (which are all in
SoCal, for all I know, I might be wrong...) show up there...
D.K.
The SCSBOA sponsored TOC is not just for Southern California, as
Stephanie stated, there are bands from Arizona and other states there on
a semi-regular basis.
The WSMBC competition at Stockton is the championship for the WSMBC
circuit's competing members, and is not a California State Championship.
To date, the California State "champion" does not exsist, and won't
until all of the "best" bands attend a single event.
Dave Kuhns
Attitude Concepts for Today
Jenny Fong
I was a freshman at Mt. Carmel the last year they attended the Tournament of Champions in
1993. That was also the last year the other district schools (Poway and Rancho Bernardo)
went. The reasons the directors told us was first of all, the sponsorship of the tournament
was down. It was being held in worse and worse stadiums. Also the parade was dropped.
Parade is equally important to many of us. The most important reason was the late date.
Tournament of Champions would fall a week after Thanksgiving break which meant rehearsals
had to be scheduled during the break. Compared to other schools in the country, a December
tournament was just too late. So now, Mt. Carmel's season ends the weekend before
Thanksgiving at Arcadia. Arcadia is a kind of overall tournament because our largest
competition comes from Poway and RB who also attend the tournament. Hope that informative!
P.S. Good luck tomorow Jason!
Jenny Fong
Marching Sundevil '93-'96
Clarinet section leader '95 & '96
Sarah Foreman
DONT FORGET SAVANNAH!!!!
Sarah Foreman
Flute Section Leader
Warren High School
Downey, California
MCBANDOJAY
Thanks for all the information Alan. I've got a couple questions though. Does
WSMBC have band reviews? And how is judging different in WSMBC? I'm under
the impression that they judge general effect and harsh in-your-face tone
above good musicianship and the quality of the music. By the way...the Vista
Invitational is tomarrow. Mt. Carmel, Etiwanda, Poway, Rancho Berdardo, and
Rancho Buena Vista will be there. It should be pretty good.
DOTBOOK
For all of california, there is the Western scholastic marching band Confrence
State Championships... which is held in Stockton, CA at the University of the
Pacific on Nov. 22nd
For southern California, there is the SCSBOA Tournament of Champions at the
Santa Ana Bowl on Dec. 1st
Stephanie
DOT...@aol.com
Mission Viejo HS Marching Band (1994-97)
FHorn/Mellophone Section Leader (1996-97)
C/O '98!
http://members.aol.com/DOTBOOK/index.html (MV Band Recap Page )
air...@jcs2.jcstate.edu
Ugh! I just answered your questions through a long e-mail message!
Anyways, to sum it up in this public forum: No, WSMBC does not have
band reviews to my knowledge. However, the circuit appears to be
heading into an overall musical direction with the addition of
concert band festivals. The judging in WSMBC seems to demand more
of a "complete package", where it is not how well you play your
music, but how well your music, general effect, and visual captions
are performed and portrayed to the judges and the audience. You will
not be able to get away with a "harsh in-your-face" tone in this
circuit. It will demand all elements to be performed to the highest
standards. Basically, the band with the better show will win. That
is my take on the WSMBC. Please note that I do not have a complete
knowledge of this circuit, though I have a general idea through
reading about it on the organization's webpage and witnessing a WSMBC
show in southern California. Does any other WSMBC affiliated member
have any opinions to add?
ViaLov125
It's 12:17: Do you know where the rain is?
This is horrible. There has not been one significant drop of rain all day.
Serves CMBC right for listening to the weather channel. Since when was that a
good idea. We all know you do the opposite of what the weather channel says.
THERE ALWAYS WRONG ON BIG EVENTS LIKE THESE. I really don't want to be the guy
from CMBC who called this thing off. He's probably going to awake to tons of
hate mail from people who had tickets for tonite and can't go, and band
directors who have students who have to decide which is more important: ALL
STATE or Championships. CMBC must be kicking themselves right now. I wonder
wether renting out Giants Stadium is a non refundable fee? That would suck for
CMBC because they'd lose a ton of moolah.
Just a thought from a fellow band member.
Avia
Columbia HS
MB, Concert band,
Orcehstra, pit orchestra,
Jaz band and Select Chior
MCBANDOJAY
Steve Martin
California, being so large geographically, has a hard time gettng ALL
bands that compete to one show. There are many different circuits, all
with similar philoophies and adjudication rules, but there is not ONE
CHAMPIONSHIP SHOW. It's really a bummer to see all of the other states
talk about it and for us to have nothig. It very easy (and apparent in
the posts on this thread) for a band member to think that the circuit
they compete in is the only circuit and that the culminating show for
that circuit is championships. However, there definitely is NOT a true
state championship.
Steve Martin
Del Oro HS
air...@jcs2.jcstate.edu
Mr. Martin,
It appears that the Western Scholastic Marching Band Conference has the
closest thing to the ONE CHAMPIONSHIP SHOW. The WSMBC is the only
circuit I know of that has united northern, central, and southern
California. I realize that there are various circuits around the
state with similar philosophies and judging rules, but couldn't one
of the circuits "dominate" in a sense, and stand alone in creating a
state championship?
This topic has been debated time and time again, and I, just as you,
feel "left out" when it comes down to discussing the finale competition
of the entire state of California. I don't buy the fact that so many
field show tournaments will "lose money" and "be left out" if there is
one state championship near the end of the year. Perhaps one of the
circuits that annually hold their state championship near the center of
California (like the WSMBC) could officialize itself as THE end of the
year tournament for the state. Sure, the long trip to the championships
in the center of California would be difficult for the far north and
south. But it would be worth it!
What do you think about this idea? There are some factors that would
make this type of tournament possibe, even though it is not a simple as
one may think. The geographic size should not be that much of an obstacle
in this matter, though, as Texas is very large as well, while holding
their annual UIL Championships. Also the fact that one competition would
be drawing away the competition from other contests should not be an
excuse, either. There are plenty of days in the season to hold the event!
I cannot think of any other reason why there IS NOT a California state
championship. I would be interested in know some other factors in
preventing this from happening, though.
Sultanwrd
did you know that WSMBC wasn't part of Southern California untill 2 years ago?
there was MBASC (Marching Band Association of Southern California) I think
that WSMBC swallowed MBASC to make more of a statewide circut
air...@jcs2.jcstate.edu
Yep. Already knew that. The MBASC was sort of an "imitation WSMBC" circuit
that shared the similar philosophies of the WSMBC. I competed at the annual
Costa Mesa High School Field Show Tournament sponsered by the MBASC in 1994.
That was our first competition against Live Oak High School, and they were
excellent with their "In the Spring When the Kings Go Off to War" Holsinger
interpretation.
Gary M. Trimble
air...@jcs2.jcstate.edu wrote:
> It appears that the Western Scholastic Marching Band Conference has the
> closest thing to the ONE CHAMPIONSHIP SHOW. The WSMBC is the only
> circuit I know of that has united northern, central, and southern
> California. I realize that there are various circuits around the
> state with similar philosophies and judging rules, but couldn't one
> of the circuits "dominate" in a sense, and stand alone in creating a
> state championship?
Yes, you could have a single dominant conference and the bands who
didn't participate in the process leading to a state "champion" would
simply
continue to ignore the process undermining the credibility of the award.
There has also been a move away from strict participation in only WSMBC
in the North with many schools opting out or participating in NCBA
contest
as well as WSMBC.
> This topic has been debated time and time again, and I, just as you,
> feel "left out" when it comes down to discussing the finale competition
> of the entire state of California. I don't buy the fact that so many
> field show tournaments will "lose money" and "be left out" if there is
> one state championship near the end of the year. Perhaps one of the
> circuits that annually hold their state championship near the center of
> California (like the WSMBC) could officialize itself as THE end of the
> year tournament for the state. Sure, the long trip to the championships
> in the center of California would be difficult for the far north and
> south. But it would be worth it!
>
Would it really be worth it? realize that in states which have "finals"
that the drive to the competition is equivilant to competing in either
Northern California or Southern California (except Texas, but they have
their
own problems about championships). If we were to hold the competition
in the middle of the state the exposure to parents and fans would be
reduced.
Probably smarter to have it in the North one year and the South the
next.
> What do you think about this idea? There are some factors that would
> make this type of tournament possibe, even though it is not a simple as
> one may think. The geographic size should not be that much of an obstacle
> in this matter, though, as Texas is very large as well, while holding
> their annual UIL Championships. Also the fact that one competition would
> be drawing away the competition from other contests should not be an
> excuse, either. There are plenty of days in the season to hold the event!
> I cannot think of any other reason why there IS NOT a California state
> championship. I would be interested in know some other factors in
> preventing this from happening, though.
I think that if WSMBC wants to declare a Northern and Southern Region
Champion
that would be fine. If they want to go to the trouble to host an
interregional competition, that would be fine. Maybe the winner should
be sent to BOA finals as a reward (or punishment). Just don't expect
everyone to
get down on their knees and praise the winner. After all WSMBC is only
one of
three conferences in the state and it is unlikely for the differences in
basic philosophy of each of the different circuits that I've written
about
before (judging philosophy, support for parade competitions, etc.) that
a
California "champion" can be credibly crowned.
Maybe we should try to do something really productive, like splitting
California into 2 states and then we can have an interstate rivalry
instead of an intrastate one.
Gary M Trimble
Production Coordinator and Booster President
Westmont Warrior Marching Band
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W. S
Good point Alan. I too think that the WSMBC championships are the
closest to state championship. i think WSMBC should call it official.
air...@jcs2.jcstate.edu
In article <34674D...@lmco.com>, "Gary M. Trimble" <*nospam*gary.trimble*spamno*@lmco.com> writes:
>air...@jcs2.jcstate.edu wrote:
>
>> It appears that the Western Scholastic Marching Band Conference has the
>> closest thing to the ONE CHAMPIONSHIP SHOW. The WSMBC is the only
>> circuit I know of that has united northern, central, and southern
>> California. I realize that there are various circuits around the
>> state with similar philosophies and judging rules, but couldn't one
>> of the circuits "dominate" in a sense, and stand alone in creating a
>> state championship?
>
>Yes, you could have a single dominant conference and the bands who
>didn't participate in the process leading to a state "champion" would
>simply
>continue to ignore the process undermining the credibility of the award.
>There has also been a move away from strict participation in only WSMBC
>in the North with many schools opting out or participating in NCBA
>contest
>as well as WSMBC.
If there was enough interest by the bands considered the best in the
state, I don't see how other bands would not want to participate in
what is titled "The California State Championships". This single
tournament at the end of the year could be heavily promoted by any
one of the top circuits (SCSBOA, WSMBC, or NCBA). Those bands that
do not wish to participate will miss out, just like some of the top
bands in Indiana that do not attend the Bands of America Grand National
Championships in their own back yard. The credibility of the national
champion is debated all the time, though I think the event has
skyrocketed with the number of outstanding participating units. Sure,
there may not be too many California bands to challenge the east, but
when I see the quality and quantity of high school marching bands
competing at the Grand National Champions, I would not hesitate to
name the champion of the event the actual "grand champion of the
nation".
Also, the credibility of being the state champion of California would
most likely increase as the years go by. I am sure the participation
levels would rise after a few high school marching bands have been
titled "the champion". Non-participating units would most-likey not
want to be absent the next year, and if they are, who's going to
argue who the winner is unless they go there?
>> This topic has been debated time and time again, and I, just as you,
>> feel "left out" when it comes down to discussing the finale competition
>> of the entire state of California. I don't buy the fact that so many
>> field show tournaments will "lose money" and "be left out" if there is
>> one state championship near the end of the year. Perhaps one of the
>> circuits that annually hold their state championship near the center of
>> California (like the WSMBC) could officialize itself as THE end of the
>> year tournament for the state. Sure, the long trip to the championships
>> in the center of California would be difficult for the far north and
>> south. But it would be worth it!
>
>Would it really be worth it? realize that in states which have "finals"
>that the drive to the competition is equivilant to competing in either
>Northern California or Southern California (except Texas, but they have
>their
>own problems about championships). If we were to hold the competition
>in the middle of the state the exposure to parents and fans would be
>reduced.
>Probably smarter to have it in the North one year and the South the
>next.
Sure it would be worth it! Mission Viejo has made the trip to the
WSMBC Championships in years past, and even Poway High School has made
their way to the WSMBC Championships all the way from the southern
border of California. I doubt that the exposure to the parents and
the fans would drop if their high school was one of the competing
units. Even if there is a small drop of attendance from the parents
and fans of those units, there would surely be a massive showing
from parents and fans around the community of the event. When the
Bands of America Grand National Championships is held (again, I am
citing this tournament for example, because the situation is similar
in some aspects), the exposure does not play too much of a significant
role to which band competes there. There are hundreds of parents
and fans from each school. Perhaps some schools have a limited number
of support, but the bands are still there!
>> What do you think about this idea? There are some factors that would
>> make this type of tournament possibe, even though it is not a simple as
>> one may think. The geographic size should not be that much of an obstacle
>> in this matter, though, as Texas is very large as well, while holding
>> their annual UIL Championships. Also the fact that one competition would
>> be drawing away the competition from other contests should not be an
>> excuse, either. There are plenty of days in the season to hold the event!
>> I cannot think of any other reason why there IS NOT a California state
>> championship. I would be interested in know some other factors in
>> preventing this from happening, though.
>
>I think that if WSMBC wants to declare a Northern and Southern Region
>Champion
>that would be fine.
The WSMBC already does this. They have a southern California and a
northern California regional championships. There may not be a wide
range of performers at each regional, but that could change.
>If they want to go to the trouble to host an
>interregional competition, that would be fine. Maybe the winner should
>be sent to BOA finals as a reward (or punishment).
Yes, it would be nice to see the winner represent California at the
Bands of America Grand National Championships. However, every high
school marching band that competes in California should have the choice
of whether they want to go to that tournament or not. However, just
because there is a state champion in one state, does not necessarily
mean that that unit will continue to be the best in that state in the
Bands of America circuit when competing against the same units from
their state. In other words, being a champion of one circuit does not
mean that you will be the champion of another, no matter who competes
there. Take a glimpse at the Indiana state champion. Will they place
higher over Center Grove or Carmel come the Bands of America Grand
National Championships? Perhaps. But then again, perhaps not.
>Just don't expect everyone to get down on their knees and praise the
>winner.
I wouldn't expect that to happen. Do the champions of any marching band
circuit in California get down on their knees and praise the winner?
>After all WSMBC is only one of three conferences in the state and it is
>unlikely for the differences in basic philosophy of each of the different
>circuits that I've written about before (judging philosophy, support for
>parade competitions, etc.) that a California "champion" can be credibly
>crowned.
Sure there can! In fact, WSMBC does not need to be the sponser of the
state championships. There are many possibilities that exist. If
someone wanted to create their own circuit and name it "The Championship"
circuit, for example, there does not have to be a great number of
competitions it has to sponser. All he or she needs is an invitation to
every single high school marching band in Californa, and then hold the
championships. If there is an overwhelming response, then why not break
it down into a few major regional championships in which the top units of
each one go to the state championships.
Of course, I am factoring out the simplicity of this process. My point is
that there are many options to how this event can be coordinated.
>Maybe we should try to do something really productive, like splitting
>California into 2 states and then we can have an interstate rivalry
>instead of an intrastate one.
No. Too simple. California may be large, but it isn't THAT large.
>Gary M Trimble
>Production Coordinator and Booster President
>Westmont Warrior Marching Band
You have some very interesting and valid views to this concept, Mr. Trimble.
However, I still believe there are endless ways we could make this matter
work if we wanted too. While other competitive states hold their finale
to the competition, California is still divided. When the champion of the
SCSBOA circuit is crowned, I still cannot delete from my mind the fact that
there are champions of other circuits being crowned that do not realize
they have the potential to be one of the best in the state. Numerous
California high school marching bands have the potential, and I think the
individual circuits that host their championships limit the competition of
the performer who wants to persue bigger and better things, and the fan
that seeks the ultimate in pageantry.
SOlivas
gary.t...@lmco.com wrote:
>Maybe we should try to do something really productive, like splitting
>California into 2 states and then we can have an interstate rivalry
>instead of an intrastate one.
Gary...
As long as NoCal keeps sending me water to SoCal, then I have no problem
splitting up this state!
Sal Olivas
Bari Sax (Ret.)
RCC Marching Tigers
Sultanwrd
>As long as NoCal keeps sending me water to SoCal, then I have no problem
> splitting up this state!
>
>
>Sal Olivas
>Bari Sax (Ret.)
>RCC Marching Tigers
good point Sal!!
Mark Wright
W. Scott Radeker, IV wrote:
> In florida there isn't ONE championship either....What other states
> have
> a championship competition and what ones don't?
Virginia doesn't
Gary M. Trimble
DOTBOOK wrote:
>
> >If we were to hold the competition
> >in the middle of the state the exposure to parents and fans would be
> >reduced.
>
> year......
Perhaps true, but to really define a "championships" you need to reach
beyond the direct participants and pull in those people who will
perpetuate the event. After all, they don't hold the Superbowl or World
Series every year in the same place...
Gary Trimble
(To reply by mail remove the *spamno* and *nospam* from the address)
air...@jcs2.jcstate.edu
Yes, but they do hold Wimbledon in the same place every year, as well as
the U.S. Open of tennis, the Ford Australian Open, and the French Open at
Roland Garros. I suppose Wimbledon is not the championships of lawn
tennis? And is the Bands of America Grand National Championships not a
"championships"? That competition seems to have more than enough people
besides the direct participants that perpetuate the event, while being
in the same exact location for a number of years.
Mike Shoemaker
Everyone always seems to forget the "little old" NCBA Tournament of
Champions this weekend in Fairfield. There will be almost 30 NCBA bands
in thic competition. When making lists that would be fun to have in an
all California tournament, I don't see any NCBA bands, such as Foothill
(great show this year), Homestead (awesome), Mountain View (very
competitive), and some others. Just don't overlook the NCBA tournament!
Mike
Foothill Band
Pleasanton, CA
Brian Dinkel wrote:
> dori...@webtv.net (W. S) wrote:
>
> > Does California have a competition that is considered THE
> >competition? Look at Indiana, they have their ISSMA stuff...........
>
> for northern California, there is the WSMBC championships, held at CSU
> Fresno on the second to last saturday of November usually, all the
> good schools from No. Cal (Logan, Beyer, Clovis West, etc.) and some
> good ones from So. Cal (Mission Viejo, Simi Valley).. while in So. Cal
> there is the SCSBOA Tournament of Champions on Dec. 6th, this comp.
> has everyone who's anyone in So. Cal (Thousand Oaks, Etiwanda, etc)
> and is held in Santa Ana
air...@jcs2.jcstate.edu
In article <346C95F0...@pacbell.net>, Mike Shoemaker <Sho...@pacbell.net> writes:
>Everyone always seems to forget the "little old" NCBA Tournament of
>Champions this weekend in Fairfield. There will be almost 30 NCBA bands
>in thic competition. When making lists that would be fun to have in an
>all California tournament, I don't see any NCBA bands, such as Foothill
>(great show this year), Homestead (awesome), Mountain View (very
>competitive), and some others. Just don't overlook the NCBA tournament!
>Mike
>Foothill Band
>Pleasanton, CA
Good point, Mike! I would not hesitate to include the powerhouse NCBA
bands if there was a statewide tournament. Thanks for including some
of those bands in your list. Please post the scores to the Tournament
of Champions in Fairfield when you get the chance.
air...@jcs2.jcstate.edu
In article <346CA7...@lmco.com>, "Gary M. Trimble" <*nospam*gary.trimble*spamno*@lmco.com> writes:
>Realize that Wimbledon is just one of many tennis tounaments
But it is the only one of it's kind! The Wimbledon Championships is the
Wimbledon Championships. They are not going to move it to China where
the next Wimbledon champion is crowned!
>and also realize that while it is a prestigeous competitiion, not many
>would say that the "best" tennis player in the world is crowned there.
Yes, the "best" tennis player in the world is not crowned there every year.
The ATP Tour uses a system of rankings to decide who the "best" is. But
we really can't say that tennis rankings really determine who the best
tennis player, can we? The Bands of America Grand National Championships
doesn't determine the best high school marching band in the nation does
it? No, no! Since Peekabooville High School is located somewhere in
northern Alaska, and doesn't have the money to go to the Bands of America
Grand National Championships, there is no real way to determine the
actual "best" high school band. That is the same for all sports and
activities. However, when you have a competition that claims to be the
"national championships", and invites any band to compete there to prove
themselves, it is opening the door to those who want to be the "best" in
the nation. You cannot hold a national championships with every single high
school band in the nation. However, this reduced tournament allows those
units that think they are the "best" to compete there. The same goes for
tennis, though this example is slightly different! Although it would be
nice to see every tennis player in the world compete against each other, it
is virtually impossible. Too bad John Doe in India cannot compete in the
U.S. Open, even though he might be the best in the world. He can't go there
because he has never played competitively and cannot get into the rankings!
The examples go on and on. But when I see Pete Sampras win Wimbledon and
become the number one player in the world on the ATP Tour rankings, he is
the number one player in the world. When I see Center Grove win 1995 Bands
of America Grand National Championships, they are the Bands of America Grand
National Champions, and (in my opinion) the best high school band in the
nation for the year 1995, whether one group went there to compete, or another
group didn't. Why argue for John Doe and Peekabooville? How precise do
you want to be? If you can find another way to hold these championships,
be my guest? Sure, you could move the Bands of America Grand National
Championships around. There would be several problems to this (and we could
go on forever debating this topic) I believe.
>After all, there are quite a few major tennis events (U.S. Open etc). I
>would also contend that tennis is an individual endevour and not regionally
>biased.
Okay, so tennis was not the best example. Sorry, my mistake. An
INDIVIDUAL sport does not relate to high school marching band. Ever
thought of doubles tennis? And yes, there are a few major tennis
tournaments. You are correct in that. Bad example. However there are
tournaments that sit in the same place year after year. The only example
that I can think of right now is the Bands of America Grand National
Championships. Not every single championship tournament is going to move
all over the world like you claim, and by no means do the championships
have to move in order to be valid.
And why would California be a problem to hold the state championships?
The CMBC Championships has bands that have to travel long hours to get
to this prestigious tournament at Giants Stadium. Bands from out-of-state
that have to travel further than Poway to get to the WSMBC Championships.
How central can you get? And if you want to "move it around", why hassle
the defending champions every year? If a northern California band wins
it in northern California, it would be an even greater hassle to move it
to southern California then to keep it in one spot in central California.
Gary M. Trimble
Realize that Wimbledon is just one of many tennis tounaments and also
realize that while it is a prestigeous competitiion, not many would say
Sultanwrd
>for northern California, there is the WSMBC championships, held at CSU
>Fresno on the second to last saturday of November usually,
a few minor corrections.... not JUST for northern California... WSMBC stands
for WESTERN STATES Marching Band Confrence... so not only bands from CA will
be there. Grant's Pass is from Oregon. This year, WSMBC Championships will
be held in Stockton, at University of the Pacific on November 22, which is the
2nd to last saturday this year.
DOTBOOK
THANK YOU ALAN : )
air...@jcs2.jcstate.edu
In article <34705B...@lmco.com>, "Gary M. Trimble" <*nospam*gary.trimble*spamno*@lmco.com> writes:
>Sultanwrd wrote:
>>
>> >for northern California, there is the WSMBC championships, held at CSU
>> >Fresno on the second to last saturday of November usually,
>>
>> a few minor corrections.... not JUST for northern California... WSMBC stands
>> for WESTERN STATES Marching Band Confrence... so not only bands from CA will
>> be there. Grant's Pass is from Oregon. This year, WSMBC Championships will
>> be held in Stockton, at University of the Pacific on November 22, which is the
>> 2nd to last saturday this year.
>>
>guess WSMBC really could'nt declare that (unless it was a subclass)
>since the geographical booundries extend beyind the state.
You're correct, this thread WAS about a California Championship. The WSMBC
Championships were just an example sighted in a previous post concerning
high school marching band circuits in California that could dominate and
create an actual state championship.
And yes, the WSMBC could declare a state championship with bands from other
states competing. The "Western States Championship" could be between
California and the rest of the western United States, crowning one grand
champion, and the highest scoring California band (the state champion).
Not too difficult is it? And if the California band win is the grand
champion and the state champion, they can have BOTH trophies.
Mark Wright
air...@jcs2.jcstate.edu wrote:
> <EDIT>
>
> And yes, the WSMBC could declare a state championship with bands from
> other
> states competing. The "Western States Championship" could be between
> California and the rest of the western United States, crowning one
> grand
> champion, and the highest scoring California band (the state
> champion).
> Not too difficult is it? And if the California band win is the grand
> champion and the state champion, they can have BOTH trophies.
Isn't that what they do in New York?
Mark
air...@jcs2.jcstate.edu
In article <EJtDK...@news.jcstate.edu>, air...@jcs2.jcstate.edu writes:
>
I know that the 1993 Star of Nevada Invitational held in Las Vegas had
something similar to a state championships, while rewarding high school
marching bands from out of state. The "Star of Nevada Cup", which was
a sliver bowl type of trophy, was given to the highest placing Nevada
band, regardless of their placement in finals. For example, my first
year in high school marching band, these were the top four high school
marching bands in finals (I don't have the scores right now, but I
remember the placements quite clearly):
1. Etiwanda H.S., CA
2. Valley View H.S., CA
3. Fountain Valley H.S., CA
4. El Dorado H.S., NV
Finals was composed of the top eight bands from the preliminary
competition. El Dorado High School was the Star of Nevada Cup winner,
since they were the highest placing (and scoring) Nevada band. In a
sense, they were the state champions, even though Etiwanda High
School won the tournament (because Etiwanda is from California).
Jim Renzas
Well, CSMBC is upon us!
Two nights hence...
Logan,
Mission,
Grant's Pass,
Beyer,
Clovis West,
and many more...
Mission leaves at 7:00 tomorrow morning...I hate mornings...
Can't wait for saturday!!!
Russell Renzas
Mission Viejo HS
Second Trumpets '97
P.S. ARGH...if only Thousand Oaks and Etiwanda were going...a NEAR true
state championships...it's still states as far as I'm concerned though.
air...@jcs1.jcstate.edu
In article <3475376E...@home.com>, Jim Renzas <jren...@home.com> writes:
>Well, CSMBC is upon us!
>Two nights hence...
>Logan,
>Mission,
>Grant's Pass,
>Beyer,
>Clovis West,
>and many more...
I wish I were there. I cannot wait to see the results!
>Mission leaves at 7:00 tomorrow morning...I hate mornings...
>
>Can't wait for saturday!!!
>
>Russell Renzas
>Mission Viejo HS
>Second Trumpets '97
>
>P.S. ARGH...if only Thousand Oaks and Etiwanda were going...a NEAR true
>state championships...it's still states as far as I'm concerned though.
Hmmm...close. However, I cannot deny that there are many many more
highly competitive groups besides Thousand Oaks and Etiwanda. I am
sure it would be exciting to see a larger amount of southern
California high school marching bands. Perhaps in the future...
Have a great show!