Marion Catholic(Illinois)
Westfield(Texas)
Lassiter(Georgia)
Homestead(Indiana)
Norwin(Pennsylvania)
My reasoning is based on historical placings in their state as well as at
the national level in marching and concert season. All 5 have proven to be the
best in their state over the past 20 years and all have received national
honors ranging from Mid-West, to BOA Grand Nationals to Sudler Flag.
Vaughn Holmboe
Also up there has to be Marcus(Tx), and Kiski Area (PA)
-S. F. Austin
-Lassiter
-Westfield
-Lake Braddock (probally the best)
-New World School of the Arts
Robert G.
Tenor Sax @
Pope High School from
Marietta, Ga
Actually, if you're saying top five bands now, you should probably look more at
just recent stuff....but I'm sure most of the bands on your list would stay
there if you did. You never know though, every year is a new band.
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Spring HS, from Spring Tx. should be in the top five
Ummm - check your Indiana Nominee... last 10 years, not last 20.
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Check out Center Grove
Marian Catholic
Lake Park
Kiski(when they do it)
I also like Centerville...but could also be Plymouth
Canton, and many other great bands.
Benjamin-
Glassmen 98
Northrop 92-95
Why doesnt anyone consider how well a band's top wind ensamble plays b4 stating
that the program is one of the best? Music education is all about the music
and the level of performance.. not just marching band.. that is just
extracurricular(sp?)
I actually do think that this post was referring to just marching bands, not
entire band programs. If it was based more on concert bands, I'm sure the
results would differ greatly....the same as if you compared entire music
programs.
I don't think so....if the post was top 10 in Texas, then spring would
be there.
> Marion Catholic(Illinois)
> Westfield(Texas)
> Lassiter(Georgia)
> Homestead(Indiana)
> Norwin(Pennsylvania)
Are we talking about the entire program, or just marching band? If its
marching band only, I'd say in random order:
NORWIN! (PA)
Westfield (TX)
Spring (TX)
Kiski Area (PA)
Lake Park (IL?)
Musically some of the best I've heard. Kiski is simply my favorite visual
band out there. period.
If we're talking bout full band program, I'd say: (no order)
Winston Churchill (TX)
Westfield (TX)
Richland (TX)
Northglenn (CO)
Lake Park (IL?)
Concert, Jazz, Marching, plus winter activities, these guys have em all. WOW.
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You're right Doug......Northrop instead....hehe, just kidding....thinking more
along the lines of Ben Davis or Paoli for consistency over the past 20 years in
IN.
Mike
hmmmm...seems like all these are from the same area of the US...
Van Halen
Rush
R.E.M.
U2
Chicago
HS bands don't get enough exposure for me to judge "all" the great ones in the
last 20 yrs.
>Top 5 Bands in the country, last 20 years.
>(in no particular order)
>
>Van Halen
>Rush
>R.E.M.
>U2
>Chicago
>
>
don't count out Ben Folds Five...they had a high visual score back in 87...ha
Hmmmmm~_~. You took one statement of many criteria. I understand Homestead
may not have made it the entire 20 years. Can you name me a better Indiana
band(consistantly in concert and marching season??)
Very interested,
Vaughn Holmboe
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North Side Staff 1997 and 1998.
Glassmen 1998 - Euphonium!
Northrop 1992-1995-white pants!
"The Fallen City"
No Tubbs??
Marian Catholic would be a definite yes, but for Homestead and Norwin?
Homestead has only been strong in the last 6 years, not 20. What about
Plymouth Canton, Centerville, or Seminole? I can't say much about the
other two. I haven't heard of them!
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I had the fortune to be in an area where I could watch and compete with
Kiski and Norwin (on a local level, not to mention BOA stuff), and I'll s
say that both of these bands are still among the best in the nation...
Brandon
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Good choice abot Rush, but they're from Canada!
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seems interesting that Chicago is on the same list as Van Halen. It's too bad
Chicago never gets the credit they deserve. Why weren't they on the VH1 Top
100 music groups? And why the hell was Devo on there?
Jori Alesi
Mission Viejo High School
Marching Band 94-97
Drumline 94-
Orchestra 94-
Wind Ensemble 97-
That's what I was thinking.... If you want to go with country, you have to
have seen bands from everywhere. It probably isn't possible to find the best
5.
Forget Chicago, man, BOSTON is the one and only band of all time. Them and
Dream Theater (only in the last 5 years, howver... :) )
Kliff
What band are you refering to and do they have a better history than the
others I listed??
> Frankly, with all the great marching bands out there...
If you read the original post, it includes more than marching season. You
have to consider concert season, national honors, level of consistancy, etc.
All 5 of the ones I listed are class programs all the way around and have been
on the cutting edge statewide and nationally.
>How
>can you make a "top 5" list when you haven't seen EVERY SINGLE BAND in the
>country.
Good point. It is impossible to see every program in the country.
However, have the pollsters in NCAA seen every football team when they do their
rankings? Impossible. The great programs will rise to the top and prove
themselves to be the best in their city, state, and at the national level
consistantly. If you follow the activity on a national level, you will hear of
them. Seldomly does a program achieve national fame and not get recognized in
any activity. All 5 bands I listed have been consistant trend setters in their
home city/state and competed with some of the best in the country(ending up on
top).
I do agree with your comment about there being many fine programs all over
the country. These were my top 5 for my justifications. I believe these to be
among the best, well rounded programs in the country.
Vaughn
lets bust out the old atlas here....... Pennsylvania, Georgia, Texas, Illinois
and Indiana. Looks like it covers around 60-70% to me. Maybe my atlas is
wrong however. Do you have a better top 5??
Instead of arguing about who the "top 5" is, why don't we change this topic a
bit.
Let us each nominate one band as the best that we have heard.
Here are the criteria;
Base your opinion on the total program, if we are making a list of the top
bands that includes more than the marching band!!!!!
Base it on more than one year, the best bands in the country are great year in
and year out.
Tell us who you are comparing this band to. To be quite honest, if you have
only heard 3 or 4 bands from around your town, the best one of them is not
likly to be amoungst the best bands in the nation!
Tell us why you think this band belongs on this " one of the best" list.
Post to this newsgroup and e-mail me your opinions(miri...@aol.com). In a
week I will try to compile your list and post it on the group. While this will
not prove anything, it should be interesting as I for one am always interested
in hearing about great band programs.
Don
This is pretty oblivous to what I just said. There are tons of bands (not just
marching bands) out there that are probably on par with the ones you mentioned.
I go to Sprayberry, and we've recieved nothing but superior ratings, and in
the marching band field, we've probably made 1st place at least 90% of the
time.
Lawrence Central, Northrop, Carmel - these are the three in Class A that come
to my mind initially.
Northrop has been in the state finals for some 24 years in a row, and the
concert program is arguabley the best in Fort Wayne. (A close second or EVEN
group is Snider, Re: Wind Ensemble/Concert)
If you are talking about currently strong groups, then pick from the above 3.
If you are talking about longevity, I have to go with Northrop.
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I think she's referring to schools such as Beyer HS and Mt Carmel, who have a
history of GREAT programs...
>If you read the original post, it includes more than marching season. You
>have to consider concert season, national honors, level of consistancy, etc.
Who's to say that there aren't bands on the west coast that do have the above
considerations?
>All 5 of the ones I listed are class programs all the way around and have
>been
>on the cutting edge statewide and nationally.
Well, some of the "cutting edge" bands out here don't have the kind of money to
fly to a "national championship" back east, which can't necessarily be called
national if there aren't any of the top bands from the opposite coast
represented there....
>All 5 bands I listed have been consistant trend setters in their
>home city/state and competed with some of the best in the country(ending up
>on
>top).
AGAIN... there are PLENTY of trend setters out here on the west coast... and I
mean PLENTY... take a look at the WGI scores for example...
> I believe these to be
>among the best, well rounded programs in the country.
Your beliefs aren't too solid are they... I think the word you're looking for
is "assuming" ...
Stephanie
West Coast Band Member
Drum Corps Member
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Marcus band?? you have to be kidding!
JR wrote:
> Phantom192 wrote:
> >
> > Best HS Marching Band Marcus? No. Best High School Drumline (no. 1/top 5) ..
> > definitely.
> >
> > Spring HS, from Spring Tx. should be in the top five
>
> I don't think so....if the post was top 10 in Texas, then spring would
> be there.
What a school...Bring back the white pants!
What a tragedy for a school to go from white pants to black...
White pants, teal coats, and orange Gloves...ha there ya go!
uh...no.
That's HE. Hence the name, AwesoMAN. Some people.
-George Rogers Clark HS, KY
-South Cobb HS, GA
-Sprayberry HS, GA
-*Rocky Mount HS*, NC - a definate
Alot of them are still great. such as Sprayberry.. but they are stood out to be
one of the finest anywhere at one time or another
Robert G.
Tenor Sax @
Pope High School from
Marietta, Ga
Finally an intelligent post! Thanks Jori. I think I'll think of a top 5 in
So. Cal...haha...or maybe not.
Jason
Mt. Carmel Marching Sundevils - San Diego, CA
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>>All 5 of the ones I listed are class programs all the way around and have
>>been
>>on the cutting edge statewide and nationally.
>
>
>Well, some of the "cutting edge" bands out here don't have the kind of money
>to
>fly to a "national championship" back east, which can't necessarily be called
>national if there aren't any of the top bands from the opposite coast
>represented there....
Exactly! BOA Grand Nationals...hearing that title always makes me want to go
tell BOA what "National" means. Oh well...I know they try hard to get good
representation and it's not their fault.
>I think she's referring to schools such as Beyer HS and Mt Carmel, who have a
>history of GREAT programs...
Thanks for the recognition Steph...go MC! (no that's not Marion
Catholic....it's Mt. Carmel. It's on that other coast...what's it called...the
one with the big ocean...somewhere near Melrose Place I think)
Marching:
Out of the last 14 years (I think) Mt. Carmel has won the Arcadia Band Review 9
times. They have participated in the Rose Parade twice and the Fiesta Bowl
once. They were the SCSBOA champions in 1992. And consistenly take high
honors in band and flags at parades and field shows. Their freshmen group
alone took sweepstakes this year at a parade beating several other complete
bands.
Concert:
The Mt. Carmel concert groups (3 concert bands, 2 wind ensembles, 2 orchestras)
have received superior ratings at SCSBOA festivals for at least the past 2
decades. Their wind ensemble 1 went to the BOA National Concert Band Festival
last year.
>Tell us who you are comparing this band to. To be quite honest, if you have
>only heard 3 or 4 bands from around your town, the best one of them is not
>likly to be amoungst the best bands in the nation!
I'm comparing against outstanding programs including: Rancho Bernardo, Thousand
Oaks, Etiwanda, Poway. Those are the good ones, there are too many to list
from the region but those are the best. And yes, those schools, in some
aspects are better.
Robert G. = Awesome
Matt Haynor
Sprayberry Band of Gold '95-'99
Spirit of Atlanta '97
Thanks for the geography lesson. I'm from California, travel all over the
country and have a few things to add to this debate. First off, everyone's a
critic instead of listing your top bands. Respect ones postings as if it were
your own. If you can't because you haven't graduated from high school yet,
then either enjoy RAMB for what it is or don't post.
After reading all the responses, I went back and re-read the original post.
It sounds as if the author intended for it to be a list of the bands he
considered to be among the best in the nation. If you have a better top 5,
then post your list, sign your name and reasons for your post. Otherwise, quit
complaining.
In California we have: Clovis West, Mission Viejo, Mt. Carmel, Etiwanda,
Beyer, etc. I don't believe any of these to be among the nations best 5.
Maybe these are my opinions but you know what, your posts are your opinions.
So, respect mine or disreguard your own.
As for the original post, I agree with Marion Catholic, Lassiter and
Westfield. Norwin was great in their time but flatlined unlike the others. As
for Homestead, I could name several other groups that are better over the past
20 years.
And again, those of you who posted "those are good marching programs but
you need to consider the entire program blah blah blah," read the original
post. It stated the criteria for this discussion.
Tired of reading non-justified crap,
Hans Rott
p.s. either post your list or go on to the next topic on RAMB.
uhhhhhh...hehe cool idea! lol
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Marcus band?? you have to be kidding!
>>
Well, I've never seen them, but in the May 98 issue of Modern Drummer,
in the Marching Percussion supplement, the only two high schools they
mention are Marcus and Plano...
"Anyone familiar with the activity has heard of the University of
North Texas (Denton, TX) Drumline, which has been crowned PAS Champion
ten times, or of Marcus High School (Flower Mound, TX) and Plano
Senior High School (Plano, TX) two of the best high school drum lines in
the country"
Now, to me it seems a bit odd that all three examples are from TX--
Not knocking any state, but it just seems a bit regional. But, it's still
quite an accomplishment for UNT, Marcus, and Plano.
Brandon
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One of the cleanest, fullest hornlines I've ever heard. Another full hornline
would be Carmel, from Carmel IN. For example, their 1996 "Reflections of
Mathias"show, based on Hindemith's "Mathis der Mahler", was very lush indeed.
Hadnt heard a fuller line since. Another "one of the cleanest shows I've ever
seen" show was Homestead 1995's treatment of Hindemith's Symphony in Eb.
Wow....Hindemith....who would have guessed? Anyone else know of a band that has
done Hindemith and blown your socks off? I know of only Spring 93, Homestead
95, and Carmel 96, so I'm sure there's more. ~§:o)
Mike
> Marching:
> Out of the last 14 years (I think) Mt. Carmel has won the Arcadia Band
Review 9
> times. They have participated in the Rose Parade twice and the Fiesta Bowl
> once. They were the SCSBOA champions in 1992. And consistenly take high
> honors in band and flags at parades and field shows. Their freshmen group
> alone took sweepstakes this year at a parade beating several other complete
> bands.
Sorry...it was SCSBOA 1993 champions, not 1992. I apologize for the mistake.
> Jason
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> Edition)
>
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Hands down David Bowie rocked all during the 70's,part of the 80's and
most of the 90's
WOah!! i think some ppl go all out when it isnt needed... Hans, is this
supposed to be THE post to end ALL posts or something? u make it seem like it..
thanx for bashing our opinions.. see ya!!
DUDE!!!!! That was the show.. that is the kind of show your directors show u
during class on video to get u guys motivated .. that is where i saw that.. It
was unbelievable that they could play all that!!
Marching band, we've won New England 5 out of ten years, but King Philip
Regional from Wrentham, MA has won their division 10 years in a row.
Drum lines, Dartmouth will show all you "great drum lines" how pathetic you
are at the WGI nationals one week from now in Dayton. All their perfect
100.0's will be justified in front of the nation.
Matt Oliveira
Dartmouth High School, Dartmouth, MA
Alto Sax '01
> Drum lines, Dartmouth will show all you "great drum lines" how pathetic you
> are at the WGI nationals one week from now in Dayton. All their perfect
> 100.0's will be justified in front of the nation.
Your drumline had better win with a perfect 100 then, pal. I'm fucking
shaking in my boots, Mr. Alto Sax. Just remember, King Philip thought they
were all that until they met some "great drumlines" in WGI in Phoenix, most of
them from Colorado. Beware of those Colorado lines, dude. It's going to take
a perfect 100 to beat these Colorado lines.
Kliff
WHAT ABOUT CENTER GROVE?!?!?!
Really!? What video did you see? I sound so surprised because I've never seen
the Name "Mt. Carmel" listed along side bands outside of California.
Well, they go without saying. ~§:o)
> As for the original post, I agree with Marion Catholic, Lassiter and
>Westfield. Norwin was great in their time but flatlined unlike the others. As
>for Homestead, I could name several other groups that are better over the past
>20 years.
> And again, those of you who posted "those are good marching programs but
>you need to consider the entire program blah blah blah," read the original
>post. It stated the criteria for this discussion.
>
> Tired of reading non-justified crap,
> Hans Rott
>
>p.s. either post your list or go on to the next topic on RAMB.
Norwin was 7th at 1995 BOA Nationals, 13th in 1996 and 17th in 1997.
1994 was their first year with freshmen band members. They're
adjusting their feeder system. 7th, 13th and 17th is hardly flatlined,
just gettin' shape. Get your facts straight.
Dave (Norwin '70)
Thanks for the compliments.
Matthew Heiskell
Spring Drum Major '93 and '94
> Lawrence Central, Northrop, Carmel - these are the three in Class A that come
> to my mind initially.
>
> Northrop has been in the state finals for some 24 years in a row, and the
> concert program is arguabley the best in Fort Wayne. (A close second or EVEN
> group is Snider, Re: Wind Ensemble/Concert)
>
> If you are talking about currently strong groups, then pick from the above 3.
> If you are talking about longevity, I have to go with Northrop.
Go Doug. The problem is I don't know about Lawrence Central however.
Granted there shows have been great the last few years, but not the last
twenty.
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I heard, however, that they did that show for two years and that's how
they won BOA in '93
Vaughn cites serious information and gives in-depth facts. A few others
understand the intent and post intelligently, but MANY oh yeah MANY others moan
and gnash their juvenile teeth that "Dingo HS" isn't included... Oh, by the
way, these people usually go to, or live near, Dingo HS.
Here's my critique... Please take it in the festive spirit in which it's
offered.
THE GOOD: Rachael (funny and smart), Drums1979 (You kick butt),
mcbandojay (Nice stuff about Mt Carmel, have seen em the last 3 yrs, but their
hiney is kicked by Vaughn's top 5), andrew h (nailed it about rush), Vaughn
again (GENIUS post about NCAA rankings, etc), Hans Rott (perhaps as genius as
Vaughn - the only dude from CA who understands the scope of what's being
discussed), Popesax (you're right about Rocky Mount - good call!), Phantom
(L.H. a great call for 20 rs ago, but not really since then), Michael, Kevin &
Drums1979 (Good calls, but this thread is about consistency, last 10+ yrs...
Spring was AWFUL before Bill Watson was there). Kliff Daddy (Cool, but bent
toward Texas, man)
THE OKAY: Jon Richards (but bent toward SC), Awesoman (I'm with you,
homes, on the VH1 subject - however, if your band isn't doing BOA and Midwest
and getting the Sudler Flag it is NOT getting over nationally. Period.),
Miriamdon (Neat idea, but in this post the facts are the facts. Bands who
don't have BOA exp, Sudler flag, etc just don't count. Sorry). Sultan (CA
bands are nice, but don't measure up. Also, don't assume Vaughn and some
others have NOT heard all of the bands you're talking about), Jenny (Center
Grove is currently a one-hit wonder. You guys COULD be like Cyndi Lauper or
Boy George. Get back to me in 10 years.)
THE UGLY: Dotbook - Started real strong, and just kept getting smellier.
Merlin - You get the bonehead award for looking silly, dude.
Don't be myopic if you live in CA... I grew up and went to college on the West
Coast. Since college I've seen all coasts and the midwest and I choose to
teach in TX. The best CA programs are good, but I know for a fact they do NOT
measure up consistently to the programs on Vaughn's original 5. If you can't
deal with that, go to rec.arts.california.can't.handletruth
>>(especially when one of those marching bands ain't that
>>much better than us).
> What band are you refering to and do they have a better history than
>the
>others I listed??
First of all I must explain that this guy Awsomeman is just a clown. His goal
is just how have fun, not neccessarilly at anyone elses expense, but he tripped
up here. He goes to Sprayberry, and like I said before I could care less about
whether our band is recognized or not. I am just defending this clown,
Second of all, aren't you a little uptight about someone not excepting your
list. IT'S AN OPINION. So let someone else have theirs. They shouldn't have to
explain that drill move #100.45 in 1979 was the best drill move ever. Or that
the triple flam accent in measure 142 was the best ever played or whatever.
Let him think what he wants about other bands. If he is entertained than he is
entertained.
> > Frankly, with all the great marching bands out there..
> If you read the original post, it includes more than marching season.
>You
>have to consider concert season, national honors, level of consistancy, etc.
A technicality; Uh oh, what if he mesnt to say bands in general, it is a sin to
accidentally put in the word "marching."
>All 5 of the ones I listed are class programs all the way around and have
>been
>on the cutting edge statewide and nationally
Great.You have enough intelligence to hear politically derived scores and
compute them as Band Law
.>>How<BR>
>>can you make a "top 5" list when you haven't seen EVERY SINGLE BAND in the
country.
> Good point. It is impossible to see every program in the country.
>However, have the pollsters in NCAA seen every football team when they do
>their
>rankings? Impossible.
> The great programs will rise to the top and prove
>themselves to be the best in their city, state, and at the national level
>consistantly. If you follow the activity on a national level, you will hear
>of
>them.
I believe using the NCAA as an example is a bad one. In Basketball even the
littlist schools have a chance at the end of the year to prove themselves.
Basketball, unlike judges opinions depends on actual outcomes. Judges may miss
certain things. But in the basketball tournaments great Basketball teams rise
and show there greatness. Take Valporaiso, a team not in the top 25 before the
tournament made it to the top 16 in the tournament. Rhode Island, an 8th seed
in there bracket made it to the top 8 in the tournament. None of the 4 teams
considered the best: the one seeds in their respective brackets even made it to
the final. This show that the politics or in this case peopel who make polls
can definately be wrong. This is why there is debate about making the college
football like this so the actual BEST TEAMS are recognized.
Seldomly does a program achieve national fame and not get recognized
>in
>any activity. All 5 bands I listed have been consistant trend setters in
>their
>home city/state and competed with some of the best in the country(ending up
>on
>top).
Based on less than 10 peoples OPINION. These ten people may be expert in there
field, but thry should not decide your opinion for you. I could be wrong, and
you could nave seen every band in the nation and decided that these 5 bands are
THE BEST. But, you, just like every other judge has seen what the band has
done in the past and can not erase it from your memory. Also, it must be taken
into account that some judges will just not like certain bands and therefor
will judge them diffenrently. Judges are human.
> I do agree with your comment about there being many fine programs all
>over
>the country.
Than why can't se leave it at that?
> These were my top 5 for my justifications. I believe these to
>be
>among the best, well rounded programs in the country.<BR>
><BR>
> Vaughn <BR>
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I just rerally hate the whole idea of deciding who has to be THE BEST.
(If you don't get the joke, relax, sit back, and move on to the next post. I'm
quite aware that the Cadets are a drum corps (for the moment) and don't need
any reminders.)
Alan
Every good marching program has a good concert setting as a foundation!
Also, keep in mind that not all marching programs are strictly
extra-curricular.
Ryan Miller
Visual Designer, RLM Productions
Great response to this topic. Obviously an adult who understands the intent of
this discussion. One thing missing though....your top 5?? I'm very interested
in hearing them and reading your explinations for each.
Hans Rott
Sure sucks when someone takes your comments out of context doesn't it Matt. Go
back and check you post. Many of the things you listed from VHolmboe came from
somewhere else. Just thought I'd set the record straight for all those out
there with flamethrowers ready to burn people.
>IT'S AN OPINION. So let someone else have theirs.
If you really believed this, you wouldn't have flamed so hard.
Hans Rott
Hans - Sorry, I was distracted by vast unwashed masses of teens screaming
"Dingo!" or "Center Grove!" or (whatever)...
My top 2 would be Westfield and Marion Catholic. These, in my opinion, are
unassailable over the last 10 yrs. Period. I defy anyone to claim and support
otherwise.
Others on my list would be Homestead, Lake Park and Plymouth-Canton. I also
have a huge allegiance to Norwin, because I am a drumline type from way back.
A lot of people have said Lassiter should have attended BOA nats (marching)
this year - and I know their concert band is terrific - but I have not had the
opportunity to see them. Oops, that's seven mentioned... Oh well. Suck it
up.
My units of measure are (1) Firsthand experience; I have heard and/or seen each
of these bands in marching AND concert season several times over the last
decade. (2) BOA Regional and National Marching results. (3) The Sudler Flag
of Honor award. (4) Appearances at Midwest. (5) Reputable results from
other contests on a national level. And - perhaps as important as anthing -
(6) Many discussions about methodology, teaching philosophy and priorities with
colleagues in the business.
On a side note - No one has yet mentioned Union, OK. Granted, their concert
season has not created a big stir, but what a CONSISTENT successful marching
program. Still - not in the top 5 of well-rounded progs.
Every one of these are very well founded. Thanks for the post.
What the heck? Here's my 'favorite list'.
Homestead -( Indiana's Homestead)
Kiski
Churchill
Lake Park
Center Grove
Cheri
Northrop guard parent 94-97
Magic of Orlando guard parent '98
Oops. Caught flack on that.
Northrop by far, is my favorite band. I was thinking of all the
others. Needless to say, if I have to have 5, YOU pick one to drop.
I repied to this personally but...
No, Spring did a different show every year just like everyone else. It
just happened to be a year unlike any other where the staff, talent, and
work ethic in the band combined to make an amazing and unforettable
show. Just for eveyone's info, these are the four years I was there...
Gayeneh Ballet/ Russian Christmas Music
New World Symphony
Hindemith Symphony in Bb/Symphonic Metapmorphosis
Firebird
I hope this clears the debate up.
> http://start.at/marching.bands.hs (Marching Bands on the Net - High School
> Edition)
Speaking of which, when are you going to update? Ive seen the same stuff on
this site for nearly 2 months. I'm sure there are some bands out there that
want to get added. If not, I have a list of sites that I patronize that arent
in your database. It's a GREAT site, though!
In Indiana, hands down Paoli, Ben Davis, North Side, Northrop, Lewis Cass. All
very consistently somewhere in the pack, but always there. In the case of Ben
Davis and Paoli: multiple state titles; over 15 divided between them . Lewis
Cass, about 4 or so. Northrop, 1 title. North Side no title as of yet. The
titles point to up years, great years, but in the down years they're all still
there nipping at that years' fore-runners. Take Northrop and North Side...over
40 years of state finals appearances between them and ISSMA is barely 20 years
old. Ben Davis, there every year since there's been a State Finals. Paoli,
jumping from class to class, still winning no matter how big of band they go
against ( Paoli's usually has about 100 members or so ). Same can be said for
Lewis Cass...never know which class they'll be, but by God, they'll still do
the best we can and try to win.
In other states, like Illinois I have to say Marian Catholic. I hear Marian
hasn't lost in their class in years. Winning BOA Grand National Finale
Championships enough times to almost need two hands to count ( may need two
hands, since they won this past year, I dont know. ~§:o) Seen them in person
and on tapes numerous times; this program is one of the greats.
Westfield, TX. Wonderful stuff here over the years.
Union, OK.
Seminole, FL
Lassiter, GA
Lafayette, KY
Winston Churchill, TX
American Fork, UT
King Phillips, MA
etc etc etc etc, the list goes on.
Speaking of "seeing" bands, there's going to be some new RealVideo (get the
player at www.real.com) on Mt. Carmel's web site. If you haven't seen MC
before this might be a good opportunity. I'm not completely done uploading all
the videos yet, but you can see the Snapple commercial we were in at
http://members.tripod.com/~mchsband01/snapple.rm. You'll want a good pentium
computer to view these video files. The frame rate is fairly high and I did
not sacfrice anything for the audio quality. There will be 6 more videos (with
sound, finally) to be uploaded this weekend. I hope you guys enjoy them.
Jason
Mt. Carmel Marching Sundevils - San Diego, CA
http://come.to/mchsband (Mt. Carmel Marching Sundevils Web Site)
>In Indiana, hands down Paoli, Ben Davis, North Side, Northrop, Lewis Cass.
>All
>very consistently somewhere in the pack, but always there. In the case of Ben
>Davis and Paoli: multiple state titles; over 15 divided between them . Lewis
>Cass, about 4 or so. Northrop, 1 title. North Side no title as of yet. The
>titles point to up years, great years, but in the down years they're all
>still
>there nipping at that years' fore-runners. Take Northrop and North
>Side...over
>40 years of state finals appearances between them and ISSMA is barely 20
>years
>old. Ben Davis, there every year since there's been a State Finals. Paoli,
>jumping from class to class, still winning no matter how big of band they go
>against ( Paoli's usually has about 100 members or so ). Same can be said for
>Lewis Cass...never know which class they'll be, but by God, they'll still do
>the best we can and try to win.
See, Mike wrote this and he backed his top 5 bands up with statistics and
placings, and also probably part of his own personal opinion. None of you can
argue with what he wrote, assuming his information is completely accurate. It
doesn't matter whether you like these bands or not, you can't contradict him
because they placed high.
But, if the lists you're posting are based on what YOU think of the band, their
musical talent, their marching technique, drum majors, guard, pit, drumline, or
whatever, you should also put why you personally think that they're the best.
All I mean is that if you're going to post your list and don't want to be
brutally attacked, give good reason for your opinions the way Mike did..
Support your "best band list" instead of just going "HA, that's what I think,
forget you!!"
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3 things: 1. Several people have been supporting their opinions. Drums 1979
did a good job but isn't the pioneer of this. Since you obviously spend alot of
time on RAMB, go back and check the posts. 2. Great list for Indiana bands
Drums! 2 of these 3 aren't for you. Just Jenny. Keep up the good work. 3.
Glide825 pegged you right on. Good job Glide825!
Next Topic,
Hans
>you should also put why you personally think that they're the best.
CHECK THE POSTS
Yeah, they did an awesome 20 minute remake of the song, "Get Ready", with
awesome solos from each instrument. But other than that one song, there really
wasn't anything else that great about them.
Thanx for the defense, Matt...but I wasn't necessarily "clowning around".
Are we still talking just marching season or the overall program?
Gee, I'm not that stupid. I HAVE read the posts, and I KNOW what people have
said....but not everyone did, so I was saying that for the people who didn't
and wondered why people disagreed....which could be NO ONE for all I know/care!
And Mike was just an example, I'm not saying he invented the idea of being
logical....
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-jenny porter IFFL Center Grove HS, c/o '00
Jay - The original post which started this loooong thread (now at the century
mark) was by Vaughn H. and requested top 5 for overall program.
>In other states, like Illinois I have to say Marian Catholic. I hear Marian
>hasn't lost in their class in years. Winning BOA Grand National Finale
>Championships enough times to almost need two hands to count; this program is
one of the greats.
>Westfield, TX. Wonderful stuff here over the years.
Amen, pass the gravy... No one can contest those two.
Hans wrote:
>3 things: 1. Several people have been supporting their opinions. Drums 1979
>did a good job but isn't the pioneer of this. Since you obviously spend alot
of
>time on RAMB, go back and check the posts. 2. Great list for Indiana bands
>Drums! 2 of these 3 aren't for you. Just Jenny. Keep up the good work. 3.
>Glide825 pegged you right on. Good job Glide825!
Thanks Hans... Methinks you and Vaughn and Drums and I need to trade phone
numbers.
I agree wholeheartedly here!!!
>On a side note - No one has yet mentioned Union, OK. Granted, their concert
>season has not created a big stir, but what a CONSISTENT successful marching
>program. Still - not in the top 5 of well-rounded progs.
Whoa...thanks for the compliment, and we have had conististent finalist
finishes, but I don't -even- think we could hang with the big dogs!! : ) Later
Allison F
Union HS
Tulsa, OK
These are all GREAT programs in Texas - but you should move this list to that
Top 9 in TX thread... Some of these don't measure up with Marion Catholic and
a few other major players on the national level.
Oops.... In my opinion, your opinion shouldn't change their opinion.
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Matthew, my "opinion" is that an all-Texas list belongs in an all-Texas thread.
If this sentence does not have enough redundancies for you, I apologize.
You are incorrect. In 1992, Spring did Dvorak's New World and won Texas
State 5A marching contest. In 1993, they did Hindemith (didn't compete
in state contest because 5A is every even year 92,94,96,etc..) and in
1994, Spring did Firebird and won state again. Since 1996, Spring has
been on a sort of downslide, but is still a fine band and will be for
years to come.
Get ready for the comeback year(prediction and opinion)
I think there is always a rollercoaster ride through a transition (Watson
moving to Richland), but that percussion section has nay lost a beat! I can't
wait to hear Rodriguez's stuff for next year.
>My units of measure are (1) Firsthand experience; I have heard and/or seen
>each
>of these bands in marching AND concert season several times over the last
>decade. (2) BOA Regional and National Marching results. (3) The Sudler
>Flag
>of Honor award. (4) Appearances at Midwest.
then why isn't this post "Top 5 bands in the Midwest"?
I agree... I just don't think one can make that kind of judgement if they've
never seen ALL the bands...
Stephanie