BOA is a joke?
Brrrr0353
people? Miked Solos? Ughh....Thank you BOA. If there were to be an
advertisment for BOA on the radio I think it would go like this.
(Marching band playing about FFF)
Announcer: Hey you!! You're playing too loud!
Confused Band Member: Huh!?
Announcer: What's that you're playing son? And for cryin' out loud, where's
your giant props?
Confused band member: It's (fill in the name of anything with FFF marked in the
score) What Props? We only march.
Announcer: Well you obviously don't have your "BOA GRAND NATIONALS 2000"
Marching Kit.
Confused Band Member: Bwah?
Announcer: That's right. Your "BOA GRAND NATIONALS 2000" Kit comes with
everything you need to be a "BOA Grand Nationals Finalist!!"
Confused Band Member: You been sniffing Valve Oil?
Annoucer: Your kit includes: Top of the line sound boards, mixers, turntables,
and even a DVD player. Also included: The official "Choir in a Box" and your
choice of ten trampolines or giant props to put all over your field. Add in
your own unintelligible concert music and WAH LAH!! You're a BOA GRAND
NATIONALS FINALIST!!
Confused Band Member: Well gee, if everyone else has one maybe I should get
one...
Announcer: All this can be yours for a mere $25,000!! So go run to your
parents, sell some cookies or donate plasma, and soon you'll be on your way to
Indianapolis...
--Glenn
OSU Tubas 97-
DhT
(Brrrr0353) wrote:
> Soundboards? Choirs? Giant Stages? Props Galore? Trampolines? Drumlines
with 10
> people? Miked Solos? Ughh....Thank you BOA. If there were to be an
> advertisment for BOA on the radio I think it would go like this.
>>>Announcer: What's that you're playing son? And for cryin' out loud, where's
> your giant props?
> Confused band member: It's (fill in the name of anything with FFF marked
in > the
> score) What Props? We only march.
First: Bands that play FFFFF don't score as well as bands that have a wider
dynamic range at BOA. One particular band comes to mind. They felt they
should have won because they were loudest. It doesn't work that way. You
obviously feel differently.
>Annoucer: Your kit includes: Top of the line sound boards, mixers, turntables,
>and even a DVD player.
All of which should be used (if at all) to supplement the band sound, not
to cover up a bad clarinet section for instance or to hide anything in the
bands sound.
> Also included: The official "Choir in a Box" and your
>choice of ten trampolines or giant props to put all over your field.
Second: Extravagent props are on the way out. And have been for several
years now. There are more minimalist type bands scoring high at BOA over
the last three years. Some of them are top 5. Kiski comes to mind. Norwin
is relatively propless compared to past years and yet they are scoring
higher at BOA shows.The audience (and the judges) get quite tired of these
"trends". These bands tend not to score as high as they once did.
> Add in
>your own unintelligible concert music and WAH LAH!!
"Unintelligible" to you? Most of it never bothers me at all. It is the
presentation that bothers me some however.
>You're a BOA GRAND
>NATIONALS FINALIST!!
As we all know it doesn't work that way either. Check out the programs of
the top 5 during the last few years.
>Confused Band Member: Well gee, if everyone else has one maybe I should get
>one...
>Announcer: All this can be yours for a mere $25,000!! So go run to your
>parents, sell some cookies or donate plasma, and soon you'll be on your way to
>Indianapolis...
You obviously haven't been to many BOA shows. Or else you didn't bother to
watch and listen. There is LOTS of variety in music and presentation at
these shows.
It might shock you to know how small a budget some of the top 8 bands have.
It doesn't take just money.
Your post was creative however. (You can get GE points for that)
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XInfernoX
years has no props, like absolutly no props what soever.
IVstringer
>OSU Tubas 97-
>
on a side note: do you dot the "i" or is it someone else?
~~~~~Written by: Jason Kaeding
Center Grove HS Greenwood, IN
Tuba Player and Bassist
JOnesL21
IMChaotik
>
>Announcer: Hey you!! You're playing too loud!
Hey you know what? Anyone else remember the first week of beginning band? In
mine, after a few days of doing nothing but buzzing on our mouthpieces, one day
at the end of class the director said, "okay everyone put in your mouthpieces
and try to make a sound." And guess what....everyone played loud. See? A
sixth grader with no experience that hasn't learned anything about their
instrument yet can play loud. You should have heard us, I was in a class with
a bunch of trumpets and two mellophone players. We were LOUD. And we sounded
like COMPLETE CRAP!! Anyone can play loud.
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-jenny porter IFFL Center Grove HS, c/o '00
Erin Lee is my hero!! B2BH '98
| | | | | Founder of the Drummer666 Fan Club
(o o) ~RAMB Hall of Famer~
^^^^
IMChaotik
> ~~~~~Written by: Jason Kaeding
> Center Grove HS Greenwood, IN
> Tuba Player and Bassist
Hehe wait....has anyone else seen the marching band episode of Pete and Pete?
stax...@my-dejanews.com
liked by some.....duh. After attending BOA regionals and nationals for 2
short years, it is my humble opinion that most of these shows appeal to the
crowd more than many conventional contests do. Attending the semi-finals of
nationals is the most entertaining day for me, except for ISSMA Class A
finals. Bands like Homestead, Highland, Ben Davis and F.J.Reitz would enjoy
and do well at BOA.
--
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ABNormal26
>
I HAVE!!!!
Abby
Tenor Sax
THSGEMB
Class of 2001
"Whether you think that you can,
or that you can't, you are usually right."
Jm
>Hehe wait....has anyone else seen the marching band episode of Pete and Pete?
Yes I did. But a few years ago so can you sum it up for me or
something because I don't remember much? That doesn't seem exactly
realistic, pete snatching the baton from the dm or whatever he did.
IMChaotik
>Pete?
>>
>
hehe.... "I am the dot"
IMChaotik
>something because I don't remember much? That doesn't seem exactly
>realistic, pete snatching the baton from the dm or whatever he did.
I don't remember it that much either.... I remember that part though. The
thing I thought was hilarious was how Pete was walking down the street
practicing his trombone....IN HIS BAND UNIFORM!! And he goes by Ellen's window
and she's practicing her French horn and it sounds really bad. And she goes
crazy and stuff cause she gets to be the dot of the i in the word "Squids".
(that's theif mascot) Anyone remember anything else?
§~§~§~§~§~§~§~§~§~§~§~§~§~§~§~§~§~§~§~§
-jenny porter---IFFL----Center Grove c/o '00
Erin Lee is my hero!! B2BH '98
| | | | | Founder of the Drummer666 Fan Club
(o o) ~RAMB Hall of Famer~
^^^^ "I am the dot...."
IVstringer
my mom said that a tuba player always dotted the i, so i was just curious
Kourtney L Watkiss
a huge tarp in the middle of the field. this of course, in my opinion,
is completely unnecessary. it doesn't add any super duper general or
visual effects. plus, what's wrong with marching ON THE FIELD?? afraid
of getting your shoes dirty or something?
Excerpts from netnews.rec.arts.marching.band.high-school: 29-Oct-98 Re:
BOA is a joke? by XInf...@aol.com
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>Are you on crack!?! Center Grove who has been a BOA finalist for the last few
>
>years has no props, like absolutly no props what soever.
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IVstringer
with it. but i do understand the ones for the Adventure Zone show and Bartók.
- S t e v e
I mean did you see The Centergrove Adventure Zone show? I mean did you
see that?!?!?!?! There were more props on the field than band members -
I'm talking about when they got a 97 - they had a prop at the back of
every yard line - elaborate colorguard costumes - tarps covering
everything - and a bridge/walkway type thing
> Are you on crack!?! Center Grove who has been a BOA finalist for the last few
> years has no props, like absolutly no props what soever.
>
I also think Plymouths wild things show was littered with props as was
tarpons springs whole wild west town set - were they having a marching
show or shooting a western?
Seriously props do work but they can be over done
SteveAbreu
CentervilleJazzBand 93-96 (a band that doesnt use props - probably cause
of a lack of creativity)
- S t e v e
s*a
----
(the proceeding remarks were made by steve abreu)
> i don't know about the guard costumes...they were just green with some purple
> on them, what's the big deal with that????
Kourtney L Watkiss
MEANINGS? hello people --- it's MARCHING BAND. not marching broadway,
not someone's wacked idea for a good book or tv movie, not any of that.
it's MARCHING BAND.
about the comment made about centerville -- you guys didn't use props
not because of a lack of creativity, but because your MUSIC and MARCHING
(the 2 fundamental things about a MARCHING BAND) were so awesome ---
that's all you needed to show everyone your talent.
Excerpts from netnews.rec.arts.marching.band.high-school: 30-Oct-98 Re:
BOA is a joke? by SCVJ...@aol.comSPAMMORT
> >uhhhhhhh------ about 2-3 years ago i seem to remember center grove using
> >a huge tarp in the middle of the field. this of course, in my opinion,
> >is completely unnecessary. it doesn't add any super duper general or
> >visual effects. plus, what's wrong with marching ON THE FIELD?? afraid
> >of getting your shoes dirty or something?
> >
> <br><br>Okay, let's try to explain :)
> <Br>That year, (1996) that circular tarp was kind of like the center of the
> society. Our show was about chaos in a structured world, and how chaos and
> anarchy can't survive. If that didn't pass to anyone, go to the site
about tha
> t
> show, or ask any questions :)
> <br><a href="http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/Strasse/6689/96.html">1996
> Site</a>
> <Br><Br>Jenny
Jedi0013
just added effect, get off it already.
Sara Van Arkel
props? Just wonderin'. ;)
Best prop show I've seen: Please excuse my
lack of memory, but it was Normal/Normal West doing Henry VIII I believe.
(It was either the last year of Normal being one school, or the first year
of the split) Cool castle set in the back, and a couple of other things I
can't quite remember off the top of my head. (Loved the fight scene. Bet
the band parents loved seeing their children "fighting" with the instruments
that they had paid so much for.)
Runner up: Andrew's "Wizard of Oz"
show.
-Sara
Lincoln-Way Marching Knights
1990-'94
"Okay, one more
time..."
--our assistant/drum director, Mark Joscher, 54 times the '93
marching season
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air...@jcs2.njcu.edu
If you are inferring that BOA is a joke, I am afraid you are wrong. Your
message, my friend, appears to be "the joke."
>Soundboards? Choirs? Giant Stages? Props Galore? Trampolines? Drumlines with 10
>people? Miked Solos? Ughh....Thank you BOA. If there were to be an
>advertisment for BOA on the radio I think it would go like this.
Yes, some high school marching bands use some or all of the above. Does
that mean they are better than those without? By all means, no! However,
there are many groups that ARE better than those without, as sometimes the
equipment can make quite a difference in a show. This is called "modern
day high school marching band", and if you do not like it, go find some
videos of some old high school marching bands from the seventies and
eighties that do the old-style stuff and be happy with that. And this is
not just a "BOA trend." Open your eyes and check out some of the high
school marching bands around the nation that do not regularly compete (or
do not compete at all) in BOA events that include all the stuff you
mentioned above.
>(Marching band playing about FFF)
>
>Announcer: Hey you!! You're playing too loud!
>Confused Band Member: Huh!?
>Announcer: What's that you're playing son? And for cryin' out loud, where's
>your giant props?
>Confused band member: It's (fill in the name of anything with FFF marked in the
>score) What Props? We only march.
High school marching band is a musical activity, and from what you seem to
think, high school marching bands are limited to what they can play. Well,
I got news for you: High school marching bands play with a variety of
volume nowadays, too! This is called dynamics. Yes, they can truly hit a
pianissimo and everything in between to a double or triple forte if they
wanted to. This adds to their musicality. Do you think you have to play
loud to be good or sound good all the time? ANYONE can play loud. Yes, high
school marching bands can do more than march nowadays, TOO, which can
add to the visual excitement of the show they are performing.
>Announcer: Well you obviously don't have your "BOA GRAND NATIONALS 2000"
>Marching Kit.
>Confused Band Member: Bwah?
>Announcer: That's right. Your "BOA GRAND NATIONALS 2000" Kit comes with
>everything you need to be a "BOA Grand Nationals Finalist!!"
>Confused Band Member: You been sniffing Valve Oil?
>Annoucer: Your kit includes: Top of the line sound boards, mixers, turntables,
>and even a DVD player. Also included: The official "Choir in a Box" and your
>choice of ten trampolines or giant props to put all over your field. Add in
>your own unintelligible concert music and WAH LAH!! You're a BOA GRAND
>NATIONALS FINALIST!!
This is obviously an ignorant statement. I suppose you think that hard
work is not enough to make it into finals at the Bands of America Grand
National Championships? It's all about the money and how "unintelligable"
your music sounds, huh? Funny, I have never thought of it that way...I
do not think many others have thought of it that way, either...unless
perhaps they are whining and complaining about how their band did not
make finals because such and such group had more equipment and played
unfamiliar music, which are just petty excuses.
>Confused Band Member: Well gee, if everyone else has one maybe I should get
>one...
>Announcer: All this can be yours for a mere $25,000!! So go run to your
>parents, sell some cookies or donate plasma, and soon you'll be on your way to
>Indianapolis...
>
>
>
>--Glenn
>OSU Tubas 97-
You are not only insulting many of those who perform in Bands of America
sponsored events, but those who do not perform in Bands of America
sponsored events and do just as fine as a job as those who do not.
Yes, your message can be taken as a joke, but I'm not laughing because
of the obvious false notions about why groups use more advanced
equipment: how these groups use this stuff to get ahead, and why only
groups that have elaborate set-ups and unintelligable music along
with lots of money place in the finals of the Bands of America Grand
National Championships.
Alan Irons
Fountain Valley High School Marching Band 1993-1996
Pacific Crest of Diamond Bar 1997
Nashua Spartans 1998
New Jersey City University
Jersey City, NJ
IVstringer
>see that?!?!?!?!
i don't know about the guard costumes...they were just green with some purple
on them, what's the big deal with that????
~~~~~Written by: Jason Kaeding
SCVJen98
>few
>years has no props, like absolutly no props what soever.
<br><Br>Jenny
SCVJen98
mold...@gac.edu
imch...@aol.comREDRUM (IMChaotik) wrote:
>
> Hey you know what? Anyone else remember the first week of beginning band?
> In mine, after a few days of doing nothing but buzzing on our mouthpieces,
> one day at the end of class the director said, "okay everyone put in your
> mouthpieces and try to make a sound." And guess what....everyone played loud.
> See? A sixth grader with no experience that hasn't learned anything about
> their instrument yet can play loud. You should have heard us, I was in a
> class with a bunch of trumpets and two mellophone players. We were LOUD.
> And we sounded like COMPLETE CRAP!! Anyone can play loud.
That's not true at all. Playing loud *well* is a skill just like playing
soft is. In fact, it probably takes more skill and control to play good
loud than it does to play good soft.
Anybody can sound like crap, but not everybody can play loud.
Michael Oldemeyer
mold...@gac.edu
ivstr...@aol.com (IVstringer) wrote:
>
> >--Glenn
> >OSU Tubas 97-
>
> on a side note: do you dot the "i" or is it someone else?
That would be Oklahoma State University.
What's up Glenn?
Drumms1979
the lines....then march the show with no lines.
Michael Hafer,
"May the marching arts continue in excellence BEYOND the 21st century."
Fort Wayne, IN
SCVJen98
>
>I mean did you see The Centergrove Adventure Zone show? I mean did you
>I'm talking about when they got a 97 - they had a prop at the back of
>every yard line - elaborate colorguard costumes - tarps covering
>everything - and a bridge/walkway type thing
some comic book thing to you, something was wrong. :) That whole show was meant
to be out there, something totally in the zone. And it twas. :)
<br><Br>Jenny
cheri
>>what?!?!?!
>>
>>I mean did you see The Centergrove Adventure Zone show? I mean did you
>>see that?!?!?!?! There were more props on the field than band members -
>>I'm talking about when they got a 97 - they had a prop at the back of
>>every yard line - elaborate colorguard costumes - tarps covering
>>everything - and a bridge/walkway type thing
I just have to comment. I'm basically anti-prop, but Center Grove is
genius on their staging.
Cheri
air...@jcs2.njcu.edu
Wow, that would be cool. What a challenge! Well, I can relate to marching
a field show without lines on the football field. You'll have to excuse me
for including drum and bugle corps on this fine newsgroup, but when I was
marching with the Spartans this last summer we performed at a senior corps
exhibition show in Chelmsford, Massachusetts, and we all thought that the
football field would be totally lined with yard-line markers and everything.
Nope. Just one straight line which was the fifty yard-line and that was
it! Guessing where I had to end up for each of the one-hundred and
twenty-something drill sets was not too easy while doing my best to guide
and keeping the spacing (and playing the music, of course!). That was a
interesting exhibition. Amazingly enough, we pulled off the show without
anyone getting hurt, and managed not to embaress ourselves. We actually
got a lot of compliments from the spectators on how well we performed our
show. The senior corps at this show did not really march, hence no
painted yard-lines or hash marks. Most of them did standstills with
relatively simple marching forwards and backwards in symmetrical and block
formations. With the complex field shows of today, I would prefer the
fully painted football field, thank you. However, I would love to see
some band take the challenge Mr. Hafer would and march their entire show
with NO lines...not even a fifty yard-line. If a band could pull that
off with all of the excellence a band had performing a field show on a
normally painted football field, that would be amazing.
IMChaotik
I would call those props, not costumes.
IMChaotik
with the entire musical package!! Who cares if it's like a movie? It's not
the props that make a show a certain way. Let's put it this way....if a band
had lots o' props, and they took the props away and the show was stupid, then
they don't have a show. Props are like added in after you can march and play
music and stuff...duh.
And to whoever thinks it's wrong for a show to tell a "story" or whatever, our
shows never really tell "stories". They're just based around ideas that make
the show fit together. It helps make the whole thing work together and it
helps us to focus our energy. For example....you'll probably play aggressively
if you're going on the idea of a woman killing her children or trying to escape
cycles of chaos only to self destruct in the end. If you don't understand our
show designers and why they do what they do, you probably never will so don't
lose any sleep over it. Just sit back and enjoy the show.
LL008
>turntables,
>>and even a DVD player.
>
>to cover up a bad clarinet section for instance or to hide anything in the
>bands sound.
Well, IMHO, if a band is any good, then they wouldn't need all that crap to
help them sound better.
Stephen
Baritone
Carolina Crown 97
Bayou City Blues 98
IMChaotik
> imch...@aol.comREDRUM (IMChaotik) wrote:
>>
>> Hey you know what? Anyone else remember the first week of beginning band?
>> In mine, after a few days of doing nothing but buzzing on our mouthpieces,
>> one day at the end of class the director said, "okay everyone put in your
>> mouthpieces and try to make a sound." And guess what....everyone played
>loud.
>> See? A sixth grader with no experience that hasn't learned anything about
>> their instrument yet can play loud. You should have heard us, I was in a
>> class with a bunch of trumpets and two mellophone players. We were LOUD.
>> And we sounded like COMPLETE CRAP!! Anyone can play loud.
>
>That's not true at all. Playing loud *well* is a skill just like playing
>soft is. In fact, it probably takes more skill and control to play good
>loud than it does to play good soft.
>
>Anybody can sound like crap, but not everybody can play loud.
>
>
That is a good point. I guess I was referring more to volume and not tone
quality. Or maybe I meant both....like anyone can play loud but you have to be
good to do it with good tone. Sorry for the misunderstanding!!
ABNormal26
bbut.. i wanted to be the dot!
Abby
Tenor Sax
THSGEMB
Class of 2001
"Whether you think that you can,
or that you can't, you are usually right."
ABNormal26
>people
whats wrong with a 10 person drumline??
RLS lIlIll
>if you're going on the idea of a woman killing her children or trying to
>escape
>cycles of chaos only to self destruct in the end.
I assume you're talking about Medea's Dance of Vengeance.
Drumms1979
>>people
>
>whats wrong with a 10 person drumline??
>
>Abby
My thought exactly Abby......apparently this guy wants a 45 member band to have
a 16 member battery....heh
Brrrr0353
IMChaotik
At first I was, then I was talking about our '96 show. (the person was
referring to that show when they were slamming on the show designs.)
ABNormal26
>a 16 member battery
we have about 100 members in the band, and we have a 10 person battery, and
they're good.. so whats wrong with that??
Bri9067
that is why you have to knock it!!!
Brian
CG 94-97
Brrrr0353
was a regular at BOA when it was in whitewater, wi. The move to indianapolis
made it impossible for us to go on a regular basis so we switched to a trip
every three years.(By the way, it is not how good you are, but whether or not
you have $$$$$ and the resources to go. As can be explained by bands who never
"beat" us in our home state, but had the money to go to BOA)
)--Glenn
IMChaotik
>that is why you have to knock it!!!
Maybe they just don't have the funding like we do. I won't really say we're
spoiled, but we have so much support and we take stuff like that for granted.
CLAVIN99
Not all the bands that decide to come to a BOA event have props, mics, etc.
Dont be so hard on BOA, have you participated in one of our events?? Lets chat
sometime.
Clifford Phillips
Event Coordinator
Bands of America
JGentry712
>10
>people? Miked Solos? Ughh....Thank you BOA.
I am just trying to remember how many BOA Grand Champions have used such
things.
I do not recall Marion Catholic using any of these items last year, or Lake
Park the year before. I'll grant you Center Grove (but wasn't the overall
effect generated from the students performance and not the tarps?) I also don't
recall Spring High School either. Centerville Jazz Band won it using
electronics but c'mon
how many Jazz bands don't use microphones or electric keyboards?
My point: The history of the BOA Grand Champion does not support your posting.
It could be that where you are located at Regionally that this is common
practice for BOA participants. Judging by the past Champions it appears that
BOA is more about the best band vs the best props.
Jeff Gentry
Avon, IN
LL008
>I do not recall Marion Catholic using any of these items last year, or Lake
>Park the year before. I'll grant you Center Grove (but wasn't the overall
>effect generated from the students performance and not the tarps?) I also
>don't
>recall Spring High School either.
Well, Spring did use mics for the solos...but they were for the flute and
clarinet solos (I don't remember if mics were used for the french horn and
euphonium solos)...so, it's understandable to have flutes and clarinets use
them, or else nobody would ever hear them.
Jm
>electronics but c'mon
>how many Jazz bands don't use microphones or electric keyboards?
I know that wasn't the main point you were making in your message, but
our jazz band has no microphones, etc(not because we don't own them we
just never use then for some reason) and we only own a piano(probably
because we can't afford a good keyboard)
IMChaotik
>because we can't afford a good keyboard)
Well pianos are like perfect for regular jazz bands, but for a marching band
you'd need a keyboard....uh so you could hear it!! So using electronics isn't
necessarily a bad thing. (that was just to people who are opposed to
electricity of any kind. jeez, are you guys amish?)
Fool4Luv7
that, you are right. Many of the good bands don't use many props. Maybe you
need to do a little research before you go making fun of things!